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Quote from: rabinoz on July 09, 2019, 07:56:52 PM

It sure looks as though Tesla believed the earth a Globe.

Nope. You're lying again like everytime you are.



He seems does not believe the globe at all.

If you read Tesla from globularist sources then they say his being globularist predictably.

No, Mr Wise, I was writing the truth and if you persist on accusing me of that I might be forced to take action against you.

But, Wise, Nikola Tesla did not write all of that that quote! It is a fabrication made by a flat earther!
That is the truth, thank you, Mr Wise!

No, Mr Wise, I was writing the truth and if you persist on accusing me of that I might be forced to take action against you.

Yes, mister rabblack. You're writing lie. If you don't I say true about your saying lie, so simple to take action, get stop to say lie, look how it is simple. No action of yours can scare me. Every action you take to me is an action you take yourself. Till you give up the evilness, I'll continue to say how you are a liar by depending on evidences like everytime I do. Give up to do evilness!

But, Wise, Nikola Tesla did not write all of that that quote! It is a fabrication made by a flat earther!

Prove he not said it. Otherwise you are an accuser needed to get take action.

That is the truth, thank you, Mr Wise!

Get the hell out of here.

Quote from: rabinoz on July 10, 2019, 01:19:02 AM

No, Mr Wise, I was writing the truth and if you persist on accusing me of that I might be forced to take action against you.

Yes, mister rabblack rabinoz. You're writing lie. If you don't I say true about your saying lie, so simple to take action, get stop to say lie, look how it is simple. No action of yours can scare me. Every action you take to me is an action you take yourself. Till you give up the evilness, I'll continue to say how you are a liar by depending on evidences like everytime I do. Give up to do evilness!

No, Mr Wise, I speak the truth! Whether you believe it or not does not cjange that one little bit!

Quote from: rabinoz on July 10, 2019, 01:19:02 AM

But, Wise, Nikola Tesla did not write all of that that quote! It is a fabrication made by a flat earther!

Prove he not said it. Otherwise you are an accuser needed to get take action.

No, Mr Wise, you accused me of lying when I was telling the truth!

Quote from: rabinoz on July 10, 2019, 01:19:02 AM

That is the truth, thank you, Mr Wise!

Get the hell out of here.

No, Mr Wise, I will not! I am here to tell the truth. And it is 100% certain that Tesla did not write all of this even though it is quoted in many places:

NIKOLA TESLA: "Earth is a realm, it is not a planet. It is not an object, therefore, it has no edge. Earth would be more easily defined as a system environment. Earth is also a machine, it is a Tesla coil. The sun and moon are powered wirelessly with the electromagnetic field (the Aether). This field also suspends the celestial spheres with electo-magnetic levitation. Electromag levitation disproves gravity because the only force you need to counter is the electromagnetic force, not gravity. The stars are attached to the FIRMAMENT."

http://www.mediocremonday.com/flat-earth-quotes-nokola-tesla/

See here for details: Debunked: Earth is a realm .... a Tesla Coil.
A man named Darrell Fox said it but in two parts with his statement first.

Darell Fox's FaceBook post

Then someone, possibly Eric Dubay, but I'm not sure joined these together as one quote made by Nikola Tesla and that is the truth as far as I know it.

So now stop your false accusations of lying and making silly false claims like this, "You're writing lie. If you don't I say true about your saying lie, so simple to take action, get stop to say lie, look how it is simple. No action of yours can scare me. Every action you take to me is an action you take yourself. Till you give up the evilness, I'll continue to say how you are a liar by depending on evidences like everytime I do. Give up to do evilness!"

Quote from: wise on July 10, 2019, 05:15:18 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on July 10, 2019, 01:19:02 AM

No, Mr Wise, I was writing the truth and if you persist on accusing me of that I might be forced to take action against you.

Yes, mister rabblack rabinoz. You're writing lie. If you don't I say true about your saying lie, so simple to take action, get stop to say lie, look how it is simple. No action of yours can scare me. Every action you take to me is an action you take yourself. Till you give up the evilness, I'll continue to say how you are a liar by depending on evidences like everytime I do. Give up to do evilness!

No, Mr Wise, I speak the truth! Whether you believe it or not does not cjange that one little bit!

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Quote from: rabinoz on July 10, 2019, 01:19:02 AM

But, Wise, Nikola Tesla did not write all of that that quote! It is a fabrication made by a flat earther!

Prove he not said it. Otherwise you are an accuser needed to get take action.

No, Mr Wise, you accused me of lying when I was telling the truth!

Quote from: wise

Quote from: rabinoz on July 10, 2019, 01:19:02 AM

That is the truth, thank you, Mr Wise!

Get the hell out of here.

No, Mr Wise, I will not! I am here to tell the truth. And it is 100% certain that Tesla did not write all of this even though it is quoted in many places:

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NIKOLA TESLA: "Earth is a realm, it is not a planet. It is not an object, therefore, it has no edge. Earth would be more easily defined as a system environment. Earth is also a machine, it is a Tesla coil. The sun and moon are powered wirelessly with the electromagnetic field (the Aether). This field also suspends the celestial spheres with electo-magnetic levitation. Electromag levitation disproves gravity because the only force you need to counter is the electromagnetic force, not gravity. The stars are attached to the FIRMAMENT."

http://www.mediocremonday.com/flat-earth-quotes-nokola-tesla/

See here for details: Debunked: Earth is a realm .... a Tesla Coil.
A man named Darrell Fox said it but in two parts with his statement first.

Darell Fox's FaceBook post

Then someone, possibly Eric Dubay, but I'm not sure joined these together as one quote made by Nikola Tesla and that is the truth as far as I know it.

So now stop your false accusations of lying and making silly false claims like this, "You're writing lie. If you don't I say true about your saying lie, so simple to take action, get stop to say lie, look how it is simple. No action of yours can scare me. Every action you take to me is an action you take yourself. Till you give up the evilness, I'll continue to say how you are a liar by depending on evidences like everytime I do. Give up to do evilness!"

No mister, you are lying one more time. Shame on you.

A user has mentioned same sentence before 2016 with mentioning Nicola tesla.

This is a result of google search, you can repeat it.



The page refers a page in 2015 in debate.org discussing. A member mentions it.

Tesla, Tesla, Tesla

"Since action and reaction are coexistent, it follows that the supposed curvature of space is entirely IMPOSSIBLE ..Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has NO RELATION to reality. The scientists from Franklin to Morse were clear thinkers and did not produce erroneous theories. The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly.

"The theory, wraps all these errors and fallacies and clothes them in magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king. Its exponents are very brilliant men, but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists. Not a single one of the relativity propositions has been proved."

“Earth is a realm, it is not a planet. It is not an object, therefore, it has no edge. Earth would be more easily defined as a system environement. Earth is also a machine, it is a Tesla coil. The sun and the moon are powered wirelessly with electromagnetic field (the Aether). This field also suspends the celestial spheres with electro-magnetic levitation. Electromagnetic levitation disproves gravity because the only force you need to counter is the electromagnetic force, not gravity. The stars are attached to the FIRMAMENT.” – Nikola Tesla

Even you are claiming you are not lying, your argumens still are nothing but lies. Shame on you mister lier rabblack, shame on you rabblack. Stop to lying.

“Earth is a realm, it is not a planet. It is not an object, therefore, it has no edge. Earth would be more easily defined as a system environement. Earth is also a machine, it is a Tesla coil. The sun and the moon are powered wirelessly with electromagnetic field (the Aether). This field also suspends the celestial spheres with electro-magnetic levitation. Electromagnetic levitation disproves gravity because the only force you need to counter is the electromagnetic force, not gravity. The stars are attached to the FIRMAMENT.” – Nikola Tesla Darrell Fox

I fixed this for everyone.

For his wireless energy distribution Tesla calculated Spherical Capacitor between Earth and Ionosphere.
He calculated resonant frequency and designed harmonic resonant circuits to pump the capacitor.
Receiving parties would have their resonant circuits on their side.
(J.P. Morgan stopped the project because he wanted the system in which he could measure and charge for the delivered energy.)

Another Tesla's idea was to create ring around the Earth like Saturn's rings to illuminate the night side of the globe.

This and more surely shows that Tesla knew the real shape and size of our planet.

I recently started a thread on Neutrinos. I think they are an absolutely fantastic particle to answer many of these questions with. For example: Since neutrinos can pass through the Earth from underneath, one has to wonder not only where they are coming from, but how they are catching up to and surpassing us if we are accelerating upward.

No mister, you are lying one more time. Shame on you.

No, I would say that almost certainly you are the one lying, or just repeating a lie.
Just where did Tesla allegedly say this?

Looking for your site, I see no indication of the 2015 date.
Instead I find a few results from debate.org:
https://www.debate.org/forums/science/topic/87964/ from the 1st of June 2016.
https://www.debate.org/debates/The-Earth-is-more-flat-than-it-is-spherical./1/ from the 14th of May 2016.
And the one you provided in the image without a link:
https://www.debate.org/opinions/concerning-the-flat-earth-theory-can-you-prove-your-living-on-a-round-earth

With no clear indication of date.
So I needed to resort to using the wayback machine.
The page did appear in 2015.
But that quote wasn't there from the start.
The first snapshot it appeared in was this one from 3rd May 2017.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170503220010/http://www.debate.org:80/opinions/concerning-the-flat-earth-theory-can-you-prove-your-living-on-a-round-earth

In the snapshot prior to that, on December 31st 2016 it was no where to be found.
https://web.archive.org/web/20161231043512/http://www.debate.org:80/opinions/concerning-the-flat-earth-theory-can-you-prove-your-living-on-a-round-earth

That means it showed up there some time in 2017, not 2015 like you claim.
A page being created in 2015 doesn't mean all the content on it was.

So thanks for once again showing your dishonest double standard.
Whenever you find anything that you think can prop you up, you just accept it, with no scrutiny at all.
But when something shows you are wrong you dismiss it as fake regardless of how strong the evidence supporting it is.

But perhaps the best indication that the quote is not from Tesla is the name.
I have never heard of Tesla calling them Tesla coils.
They were high voltage transformers, or transmitters.

Posting things like "You're lying" followed by "No, you're lying" and then "Nuh uh, you're the one who is lying" is low-content and will be warned as it is being moved to AR. Just a friendly reminder folks. You can all argue better than that.

Gravity measurements show that gravity varies across the earth's surface.

That fact all by itself rules out UA.  There's nothing to discuss.

Gravity measurements show that gravity varies across the earth's surface.

That fact all by itself rules out UA.  There's nothing to discuss.

I'm not sure it does. UA + some other as-yet unknown force that behaves like gravity but acts with a smaller magnitude over a smaller area could certainly cause variations. It's admittedly an ad-hoc response, but it's only meant to back up my initial claim that your assertion isn't without potential holes. Ski used to advocate for UA, and he had much more in-depth ideas that I won't do justice to and so I won't try, but you might look into his post history if you're interested to read more.

Gravity measurements show that gravity varies across the earth's surface.

That fact all by itself rules out UA.  There's nothing to discuss.

Since this is a "fact" then you should be able to point us to where these experiments have been conducted in a vaccum chamber.

See: https://wiki.tfes.org/Weight_Variation_by_Latitude

Quote from: Platonius21 on July 10, 2019, 07:43:49 PM

Gravity measurements show that gravity varies across the earth's surface.

That fact all by itself rules out UA.  There's nothing to discuss.

I'm not sure it does. UA + some other as-yet unknown force that behaves like gravity but acts with a smaller magnitude over a smaller area could certainly cause variations. It's admittedly an ad-hoc response, but it's only meant to back up my initial claim that your assertion isn't without potential holes. Ski used to advocate for UA, and he had much more in-depth ideas that I won't do justice to and so I won't try, but you might look into his post history if you're interested to read more.

Slight variations in gravity due to other forces are no big deal across the surface of a planet. But slight variations in acceleration across the surface of Flat Earth would be catastrophic. Even a difference in acceleration of a few millimeters per second squared would add up to dramatic terrain changes in relatively short order.

Quote from: Platonius21 on July 10, 2019, 07:43:49 PM

Gravity measurements show that gravity varies across the earth's surface.

That fact all by itself rules out UA.  There's nothing to discuss.

Since this is a "fact" then you should be able to point us to where these experiments have been conducted in a vaccum chamber.

See: https://wiki.tfes.org/Weight_Variation_by_Latitude

But if UA exists, then there is no weight; there is just the force applied by the accelerating Earth.

Quote from: boydster on July 10, 2019, 07:48:53 PM

Quote from: Platonius21 on July 10, 2019, 07:43:49 PM

Gravity measurements show that gravity varies across the earth's surface.

That fact all by itself rules out UA.  There's nothing to discuss.

I'm not sure it does. UA + some other as-yet unknown force that behaves like gravity but acts with a smaller magnitude over a smaller area could certainly cause variations. It's admittedly an ad-hoc response, but it's only meant to back up my initial claim that your assertion isn't without potential holes. Ski used to advocate for UA, and he had much more in-depth ideas that I won't do justice to and so I won't try, but you might look into his post history if you're interested to read more.

Slight variations in gravity due to other forces are no big deal across the surface of a planet. But slight variations in acceleration across the surface of Flat Earth would be catastrophic. Even a difference in acceleration of a few millimeters per second squared would add up to dramatic terrain changes in relatively short order.

If it's distortion in the UA, then yeah. But not if there is UA + another force at work that is the underlying cause. The thought experiment that at least helps illustrate the concept (even though it's obviously not a real world solution) is an elevator in a vacuum, accelerating upwards at a certain rate. It has 2 1kg blocks on board - one wood, one steel. There's also an electromagnet at the top. When the electromagnet is turned on, suddenly the measured acceleration acting on the two blocks is different, even while the elevator has a constant acceleration without breaking apart. Again, that's meant only to be illustrative of a situation in which something can be accelerating constantly, with varied measurements of a force like gravity, and doesn't explain any underlying mechanism for how there are measured variations in gravity across the surface of the Earth, but I only want to illuminate that those varied measurements don't necessarily immediately result in dramatic/catastrophic changes in the landscape.

Quote from: EvolvedMantisShrimp on July 10, 2019, 08:14:16 PM

Quote from: boydster on July 10, 2019, 07:48:53 PM

Quote from: Platonius21 on July 10, 2019, 07:43:49 PM

Gravity measurements show that gravity varies across the earth's surface.

That fact all by itself rules out UA.  There's nothing to discuss.

I'm not sure it does. UA + some other as-yet unknown force that behaves like gravity but acts with a smaller magnitude over a smaller area could certainly cause variations. It's admittedly an ad-hoc response, but it's only meant to back up my initial claim that your assertion isn't without potential holes. Ski used to advocate for UA, and he had much more in-depth ideas that I won't do justice to and so I won't try, but you might look into his post history if you're interested to read more.

Slight variations in gravity due to other forces are no big deal across the surface of a planet. But slight variations in acceleration across the surface of Flat Earth would be catastrophic. Even a difference in acceleration of a few millimeters per second squared would add up to dramatic terrain changes in relatively short order.

If it's distortion in the UA, then yeah. But not if there is UA + another force at work that is the underlying cause. The thought experiment that at least helps illustrate the concept (even though it's obviously not a real world solution) is an elevator in a vacuum, accelerating upwards at a certain rate. It has 2 1kg blocks on board - one wood, one steel. There's also an electromagnet at the top. When the electromagnet is turned on, suddenly the measured acceleration acting on the two blocks is different, even while the elevator has a constant acceleration without breaking apart. Again, that's meant only to be illustrative of a situation in which something can be accelerating constantly, with varied measurements of a force like gravity, and doesn't explain any underlying mechanism for how there are measured variations in gravity across the surface of the Earth, but I only want to illuminate that those varied measurements don't necessarily immediately result in dramatic/catastrophic changes in the landscape.

That might change the rate at which an object reaches the ground(the ground reaches the object) or the force acting on an object, but gravity(or some other force) should not interfere with the measurements of the Earth's acceleration unless the unknown force is actually interfering with the Earth's acceleration. In which case, the same catastrophic results would occur.

In some older thread Ski and few others mentioned "Celestial Gravitation".

But:
If there was Dome or something like that then its mass would attract objets below it and make them less heavy closer to the Dome they go.
That Dome would not have the shape of the dome.
It would have to be lower at the Equator and higher at the Poles (North Pole and Ice Wall).
That way it would, by own attraction upward, make objects at the Equator lighter for (9.78 - 9.83) / 9.83 = 0.0051 = 0.51%.

If that was the case, the dome would have to have more complex shape than that and conveniently have lower parts right above existing high mountains.
With those lower parts in place above mountains the Dome wouldn't be allowed to rotate.

And why would some masses attract each other and some others wouldn't?

(If it was magnetic force it would differ between aluminum, iron and lead.
If it was electrostatic force it would attract plus and repell minus (or vice versa).
And both of those forces are much stronger than gravitation.)

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Background question still remains: Is the Earth static or not?

Is "the firmament" firm?

Quote from: Platonius21 on July 10, 2019, 07:43:49 PM

Gravity measurements show that gravity varies across the earth's surface.

That fact all by itself rules out UA.  There's nothing to discuss.

Since this is a "fact" then you should be able to point us to where these experiments have been conducted in a vaccum chamber.

See: https://wiki.tfes.org/Weight_Variation_by_Latitude

I’m not sure what a vacuum has to do with this. But from the wiki link you referenced it states:

"One precision scale manufacture lists many factors which can affect a scale:
Factors That Can Affect Your Scale’s Accuracy
  “ Differences in air pressure – Scales can provide inaccurate measurements if the air pressure from the calibration environment is different than the operating environment. ”
If the air pressure from the calibration environment is different than the operating environment, it will effect the scale. Also listed on the page are temperature and humidity which can affect the operation of a precision scale."

That precision scale manufacturer cited in the wiki (Arlyn Scales) goes on to to say:

"Precision weighing scales by Aryln Scales eliminate the common errors that can be found when using mechanical scales or even less capable digital scales. These scales weight measurement is altered by local gravity. This is an issue that can be avoided when using the Ultra Precision Scales and the included calibration capability.”

https://www.arlynscales.com/ultra-precision-scales/accurate-precision-scales/

So it appears that even the folks you cited take into account and calibrate for gravity variances.

Quote from: Platonius21 on July 10, 2019, 07:43:49 PM

Gravity measurements show that gravity varies across the earth's surface.

That fact all by itself rules out UA.  There's nothing to discuss.

Since this is a "fact" then you should be able to point us to where these experiments have been conducted in a vaccum chamber.

See: https://wiki.tfes.org/Weight_Variation_by_Latitude

Why need the measurement be "conducted in a vacuum chamber"?
In a simple weight measurement, the only effect of the atmosphere is buoyancy.
Air has a density at sea-level of 1.225 kg/m³ and stainless steels about 8000 kg/m³ and all that matters is the change in density of the atmosphere.

But, in any case, precision absolute gravimeters do measure gravity by measuring the free fall of a mass in a vacuum!

I already posted this:

Absolute gravimeters, which nowadays are made compact so they too can be used in the field, work by directly measuring the acceleration of a mass during free fall in a vacuum, when the accelerometer is rigidly attached to the ground.

The mass includes a retroreflector and terminates one arm of a Michelson interferometer. By counting and timing the interference fringes, the acceleration of the mass can be measured. A more recent development is a "rise and fall" version that tosses the mass upward and measures both upward and downward motion. This allows cancellation of some measurement errors, however "rise and fall" gravimeters are not in common use. Absolute gravimeters are used in the calibration of relative gravimeters, surveying for gravity anomalies (voids), and for establishing the vertical control network

Typical absolute gravimeter:

Scintrex A10 Portable Absolute Gravimeter

PRODUCT DESCRIPTION The A10 is an absolute gravimeter optimized for fast data acquisition and portability in outdoor applications. The instrument allows operation in harsh field conditions on open outdoor sites in the sun, snow, and wind. Automated leveling, Battery operated, Temperature controlled sensor, Ideal roadside operation from a vehicle. Performance Specifications Accuracy:   10µGal (Absolute) Precision:   10µGal in 10 minutes at a quiet site Operating temperature   -18˚C to +38˚C continuous operation From: A10 portable absolute gravity meter This includes a description of the method of operation. The is essentially a free-fall measurement in a vacuum chamber using a laser interferometer for precise velocity measurement.

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I'll let someone else chase up the results of measurements.

Typical absolute gravimeter:

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Scintrex A10 Portable Absolute Gravimeter

PRODUCT DESCRIPTION The A10 is an absolute gravimeter optimized for fast data acquisition and portability in outdoor applications. The instrument allows operation in harsh field conditions on open outdoor sites in the sun, snow, and wind. Automated leveling, Battery operated, Temperature controlled sensor, Ideal roadside operation from a vehicle. Performance Specifications Accuracy:   10µGal (Absolute) Precision:   10µGal in 10 minutes at a quiet site Operating temperature   -18˚C to +38˚C continuous operation From: A10 portable absolute gravity meter This includes a description of the method of operation. The is essentially a free-fall measurement in a vacuum chamber using a laser interferometer for precise velocity measurement.

Your claiming its being gravimeter does not magically gravity exist. You can call it gravimeter, weightmeter or angelmeter does not make any of them exist.

Quote from: Platonius21 on July 10, 2019, 07:43:49 PM

Gravity measurements show that gravity varies across the earth's surface.

That fact all by itself rules out UA.  There's nothing to discuss.

Since this is a "fact" then you should be able to point us to where these experiments have been conducted in a vaccum chamber.

See: https://wiki.tfes.org/Weight_Variation_by_Latitude

Oh no, you're linking to another rubbish article on that tfes website again. You really need to stop using it.

Explain how air pressure effects scales.

Even electronic bathroom scales are made to not be affected by humidity.

Since this is a "fact" then you should be able to point us to where these experiments have been conducted in a vaccum chamber.

Why a vacuum?
All it not being a vacuum requires is that you take into consideration buoyancy and drag.
With an appropriate setup (e.g. something dense) then buoyancy can be quite negligible, and more importantly, variation due to variations in the atmosphere are even less significant.
For example, if you take a steel ball, with a density of ~8000 kg/m^3, with air having a density of roughly 1.2 kg/m^, the buoyant force amounts to 0.015%.
If you vary the atmosphere by 10 %, which is very significant, that would result in a 0.0015% variation in weight.
Yet gravity is know to vary by about 0.7%.
Buoyancy just can't significantly contribute to that massive variation.


You have already been provided with details on absolute gravimeters.
But if you need more, how about this:
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0026-1394/46/3/004/pdf
or this:
https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA12146

Buoyancy just can't significantly contribute to that massive variation.

Again, stop to talk about anything isn't exist. No need to buoyancy at all. If the specific mass of one object is higher than the other, it moves down, and if it slighter than other then moves up. no additional force is required. Buoyancy fraud is the result of the desperation of popular science. You are repeating same fraud proves you have cornered and need to fraudments one more time.

Quote from: JackBlack on July 11, 2019, 02:15:23 AM

Buoyancy just can't significantly contribute to that massive variation.

Again, stop to talk about anything isn't exist. No need to buoyancy at all. If the specific mass of one object is higher than the other, it moves down, and if it slighter than other then moves up. no additional force is required. Buoyancy fraud is the result of the desperation of popular science. You are repeating same fraud proves you have cornered and need to fraudments one more time.

Why do you have a problem with buoyancy? It's not incompatible with a flat earth with either gravity or UA is it?

Quote from: wise on July 11, 2019, 02:40:17 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on July 11, 2019, 02:15:23 AM

Buoyancy just can't significantly contribute to that massive variation.

Again, stop to talk about anything isn't exist. No need to buoyancy at all. If the specific mass of one object is higher than the other, it moves down, and if it slighter than other then moves up. no additional force is required. Buoyancy fraud is the result of the desperation of popular science. You are repeating same fraud proves you have cornered and need to fraudments one more time.

Why do you have a problem with buoyancy? It's not incompatible with a flat earth with either gravity or UA is it?

Its having or not having a problem with any model isn't my problem. The problem its being absent. No need to it. I am against all forms of fraud. Throw out of your globularist mind, Come out of your cave and deny the buoyancy fraudment.

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Quote from: JackBlack on July 11, 2019, 02:15:23 AM

Buoyancy just can't significantly contribute to that massive variation.

Again, stop to talk about anything isn't exist. No need to buoyancy at all. If the specific mass of one object is higher than the other, it moves down, and if it slighter than other then moves up. no additional force is required. Buoyancy fraud is the result of the desperation of popular science. You are repeating same fraud proves you have cornered and need to fraudments one more time.

Why do you have a problem with buoyancy? It's not incompatible with a flat earth with either gravity or UA is it?

Its having or not having a problem with any model isn't my problem. The problem its being absent. No need to it. I am against all forms of fraud. Throw out of your globularist mind, Come out of your cave and deny the buoyancy fraudment.

Is it honest to select only flight that can fit into your map and pretend that others are "fake"?

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Quote from: JackBlack on July 11, 2019, 02:15:23 AM

Buoyancy just can't significantly contribute to that massive variation.

Again, stop to talk about anything isn't exist. No need to buoyancy at all. If the specific mass of one object is higher than the other, it moves down, and if it slighter than other then moves up. no additional force is required. Buoyancy fraud is the result of the desperation of popular science. You are repeating same fraud proves you have cornered and need to fraudments one more time.

Why do you have a problem with buoyancy? It's not incompatible with a flat earth with either gravity or UA is it?

Its having or not having a problem with any model isn't my problem. The problem its being absent. No need to it. I am against all forms of fraud. Throw out of your globularist mind, Come out of your cave and deny the buoyancy fraudment.

Ah right, you don't understand it, ok.

I think I'll stick with Archimedes thank you.

Quote from: wise on July 11, 2019, 05:49:21 AM

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Quote from: JackBlack on July 11, 2019, 02:15:23 AM

Buoyancy just can't significantly contribute to that massive variation.

Again, stop to talk about anything isn't exist. No need to buoyancy at all. If the specific mass of one object is higher than the other, it moves down, and if it slighter than other then moves up. no additional force is required. Buoyancy fraud is the result of the desperation of popular science. You are repeating same fraud proves you have cornered and need to fraudments one more time.

Why do you have a problem with buoyancy? It's not incompatible with a flat earth with either gravity or UA is it?

Its having or not having a problem with any model isn't my problem. The problem its being absent. No need to it. I am against all forms of fraud. Throw out of your globularist mind, Come out of your cave and deny the buoyancy fraudment.

Ah right, you don't understand it, ok.

I think I'll stick with Archimedes thank you.

Archimed defines the heavier object is how moving down. The force described here is not buoyancy.

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Quote from: JackBlack on July 11, 2019, 02:15:23 AM

Buoyancy just can't significantly contribute to that massive variation.

Again, stop to talk about anything isn't exist. No need to buoyancy at all. If the specific mass of one object is higher than the other, it moves down, and if it slighter than other then moves up. no additional force is required. Buoyancy fraud is the result of the desperation of popular science. You are repeating same fraud proves you have cornered and need to fraudments one more time.

Why do you have a problem with buoyancy? It's not incompatible with a flat earth with either gravity or UA is it?

Its having or not having a problem with any model isn't my problem. The problem its being absent. No need to it. I am against all forms of fraud. Throw out of your globularist mind, Come out of your cave and deny the buoyancy fraudment.

Is it honest to select only flight that can fit into your map and pretend that others are "fake"?

I have denied the flights which are fraud. some flight times are in contradict. in this case, you compare them to see which is correct. I compared. The route was contradicted by thousands of different routes, and the evidence was examined before it was completely erased. and it appears that these flights are fake and absent. and those fraudsters were asked to prove these flights. received response: "we do not have to prove anything". Then I don't have to accept your lie. This is completely honest.

Again, stop to talk about anything isn't exist.

So stop talking about UA