How the Government cover-up is impossible

Think about it... U.S. congress can't agree on anything anymore. The Middle East is still is huge conflict, with hardly any discernible governments to speak of. Many African countries have either shadow governments, or no governments at all. Many of the ones that are there are highly militaristic, and not welcoming to foreign relations. There are also an innumerable amount of countries that hate each other, often times for really no reason.

So with all this in mind, how can we expect ALL of the world governments to collude on this one thing, without any real benefits from it? This would require them to all have the same facts, same examples, same experiment results, same everything. Just from a logistical standpoint, this would be pretty much impossible. What if somebody stepped out of line and spoke up about the earth being flat? That would bring the whole thing crashing down, especially in today's world where information spreads so quickly and easily. If there were any scientists who really believed in a flat earth, who had concrete evidence supporting their claim, they would have already spoken out.

If the world was indeed flat, why wouldn't some rogue government just blow the top on everything and ruin the whole deal? Say for instance, North Korea decided to reveal with solid backing evidence that the world was flat. The credibility of every other nation would be ruined. How would the U.S. citizens feel about their government if it was suddenly revealed that their whole life was a lie? Thankfully, we will never know, because no such evidence exists.

Honestly, this is the biggest gap in logic (Other than the blatant disregard of physical evidence) that plagues the Flat-earth society.

I am sure that is what they hoped you would say. 

Reminds me of 9/11 conspiracy South Park episode, where the Bush administration was fueling the conspiracy theories so people would at least think they were competent enough to do it.

I am sure that is what they hoped you would say.

You all embrace the exact opposite of Occam’s Razor.

Instead of thinking it’s impossible for every single country in the world and all their scientists to collude on this point, you think their hostilities and disagreements are all an act. That it’s some elaborate explanation to trick us.

Let me ask you this: what do they all have to gain by doing this?

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 19, 2019, 09:37:51 AM

I am sure that is what they hoped you would say.

You all embrace the exact opposite of Occam’s Razor.

Instead of thinking it’s impossible for every single country in the world and all their scientists to collude on this point, you think their hostilities and disagreements are all an act. That it’s some elaborate explanation to trick us.

Let me ask you this: what do they all have to gain by doing this?

What do they not have to gain by controlling people's minds?  They would certainly have money and power to gain. 

 How would they gain money and power?

How would they gain money and power?

When you control people's minds, you can take all of there money, dummy. 

Help me not be a dummy. Explain. I honestly can't imagine how to make money by keeping FE secret. Who is keeping it a secret.

So we have unknown people making money in unknown ways from keeping FE secret.

Do you know any more than that, and how do you know?

The NASA org chart is posted on their web site with bios of the top people. Can you figure out which one it is?

Any evidence of gain of money or power?

Details, what do you know and why should I believe it?

Help me not be a dummy. Explain. I honestly can't imagine how to make money by keeping FE secret. Who is keeping it a secret.

So we have unknown people making money in unknown ways from keeping FE secret.

Do you know any more than that, and how do you know?

The NASA org chart is posted on their web site with bios of the top people. Can you figure out which one it is?

Any evidence of gain of money or power?

Details, what do you know and why should I believe it?

You reference NASA's top ten people, and then sound bewildered about people having power. 

Quote from: jimster on March 19, 2019, 02:28:18 PM

How would they gain money and power?

When you control people's minds, you can take all of there money, dummy.

Why do you continually replace sound debating by insults? Might it be because you know that you really have no case to present?

Nevermind making sure the governments don't blab, you've got to hope all these people don't spill the beans:

airline crew
air force air crew
ships crew
astronauts
private space companies
anyone involved in designing, building or launching spacecraft
anyone involved in telecoms (ie, phone companies, TV companies, radio stations, radio hams)
fuel buyers for airlines and ships
all astronomers, professional or amateur
all scientists involved in physics, earth sciences, atmospherics
all school children who have launched high altitude balloons

I'm sure there are many more, feel free to add them below...

Quote from: AroundWeGo on March 19, 2019, 10:21:34 AM

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 19, 2019, 09:37:51 AM

I am sure that is what they hoped you would say.

You all embrace the exact opposite of Occam’s Razor.

Instead of thinking it’s impossible for every single country in the world and all their scientists to collude on this point, you think their hostilities and disagreements are all an act. That it’s some elaborate explanation to trick us.

Let me ask you this: what do they all have to gain by doing this?

What do they not have to gain by controlling people's minds?  They would certainly have money and power to gain.

How is making people believe in what seems like a pointless lie controlling people’s minds?

Think about it... U.S. congress can't agree on anything anymore. The Middle East is still is huge conflict, with hardly any discernible governments to speak of. Many African countries have either shadow governments, or no governments at all. Many of the ones that are there are highly militaristic, and not welcoming to foreign relations. There are also an innumerable amount of countries that hate each other, often times for really no reason.

So with all this in mind, how can we expect ALL of the world governments to collude on this one thing, without any real benefits from it? This would require them to all have the same facts, same examples, same experiment results, same everything. Just from a logistical standpoint, this would be pretty much impossible. What if somebody stepped out of line and spoke up about the earth being flat? That would bring the whole thing crashing down, especially in today's world where information spreads so quickly and easily. If there were any scientists who really believed in a flat earth, who had concrete evidence supporting their claim, they would have already spoken out.

If the world was indeed flat, why wouldn't some rogue government just blow the top on everything and ruin the whole deal? Say for instance, North Korea decided to reveal with solid backing evidence that the world was flat. The credibility of every other nation would be ruined. How would the U.S. citizens feel about their government if it was suddenly revealed that their whole life was a lie? Thankfully, we will never know, because no such evidence exists.

Honestly, this is the biggest gap in logic (Other than the blatant disregard of physical evidence) that plagues the Flat-earth society.

It is likely that there is no flat Earth conspiracy. There is, more than likely, a space travel conspiracy.

Quote from: The_Heeter on March 19, 2019, 08:51:40 AM

Think about it... U.S. congress can't agree on anything anymore. The Middle East is still is huge conflict, with hardly any discernible governments to speak of. Many African countries have either shadow governments, or no governments at all. Many of the ones that are there are highly militaristic, and not welcoming to foreign relations. There are also an innumerable amount of countries that hate each other, often times for really no reason.

So with all this in mind, how can we expect ALL of the world governments to collude on this one thing, without any real benefits from it? This would require them to all have the same facts, same examples, same experiment results, same everything. Just from a logistical standpoint, this would be pretty much impossible. What if somebody stepped out of line and spoke up about the earth being flat? That would bring the whole thing crashing down, especially in today's world where information spreads so quickly and easily. If there were any scientists who really believed in a flat earth, who had concrete evidence supporting their claim, they would have already spoken out.

If the world was indeed flat, why wouldn't some rogue government just blow the top on everything and ruin the whole deal? Say for instance, North Korea decided to reveal with solid backing evidence that the world was flat. The credibility of every other nation would be ruined. How would the U.S. citizens feel about their government if it was suddenly revealed that their whole life was a lie? Thankfully, we will never know, because no such evidence exists.

Honestly, this is the biggest gap in logic (Other than the blatant disregard of physical evidence) that plagues the Flat-earth society.

It is likely that there is no flat Earth conspiracy. There is, more than likely, a space travel conspiracy.

Really?

• A great many in the list above, who MUST know the true shape of the earth, have no connection with space travel.
  
  
• Are you suggesting a conspiracy among the all numerous countries listed in here? List of government space agencies

Quote from: The_Heeter on March 19, 2019, 08:51:40 AM

Think about it... U.S. congress can't agree on anything anymore. The Middle East is still is huge conflict, with hardly any discernible governments to speak of. Many African countries have either shadow governments, or no governments at all. Many of the ones that are there are highly militaristic, and not welcoming to foreign relations. There are also an innumerable amount of countries that hate each other, often times for really no reason.

So with all this in mind, how can we expect ALL of the world governments to collude on this one thing, without any real benefits from it? This would require them to all have the same facts, same examples, same experiment results, same everything. Just from a logistical standpoint, this would be pretty much impossible. What if somebody stepped out of line and spoke up about the earth being flat? That would bring the whole thing crashing down, especially in today's world where information spreads so quickly and easily. If there were any scientists who really believed in a flat earth, who had concrete evidence supporting their claim, they would have already spoken out.

If the world was indeed flat, why wouldn't some rogue government just blow the top on everything and ruin the whole deal? Say for instance, North Korea decided to reveal with solid backing evidence that the world was flat. The credibility of every other nation would be ruined. How would the U.S. citizens feel about their government if it was suddenly revealed that their whole life was a lie? Thankfully, we will never know, because no such evidence exists.

Honestly, this is the biggest gap in logic (Other than the blatant disregard of physical evidence) that plagues the Flat-earth society.

It is likely that there is no flat Earth conspiracy. There is, more than likely, a space travel conspiracy.

Or equally likely, there is not.

A space travel conspiracy does not beget a de facto earth shape conspiracy. The moon landing deniers, for example, by and large, are not FEr's. They are just, well, moon landing deniers.

However, all FEr's are moon landing deniers because they have to be, that is de facto. Any such act, a camera pointed back at earth, must be denied. So to your point, yes FE requires a space travel conspiracy of any sort that could reveal the true shape of the earth. The point being that there has to be a conspiracy, not because there necessarily is one.

Quote from: AroundWeGo on March 19, 2019, 10:21:34 AM

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 19, 2019, 09:37:51 AM

I am sure that is what they hoped you would say.

You all embrace the exact opposite of Occam’s Razor.

Instead of thinking it’s impossible for every single country in the world and all their scientists to collude on this point, you think their hostilities and disagreements are all an act. That it’s some elaborate explanation to trick us.

Let me ask you this: what do they all have to gain by doing this?

What do they not have to gain by controlling people's minds?  They would certainly have money and power to gain.

What money/power could they gain from covering up the flat earth? If anything its only costing them money and requiring them to use more power to cover everything up. Not to mention that if a government spilled the beans and toppled every other government by inciting world wide civil unrest, that government would undoubtedly be the most powerful and rich government in the world.

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 19, 2019, 01:41:33 PM

Quote from: AroundWeGo on March 19, 2019, 10:21:34 AM

Quote from: Son of Orospu on March 19, 2019, 09:37:51 AM

I am sure that is what they hoped you would say.

You all embrace the exact opposite of Occam’s Razor.

Instead of thinking it’s impossible for every single country in the world and all their scientists to collude on this point, you think their hostilities and disagreements are all an act. That it’s some elaborate explanation to trick us.

Let me ask you this: what do they all have to gain by doing this?

What do they not have to gain by controlling people's minds?  They would certainly have money and power to gain.

What money/power could they gain from covering up the flat earth? If anything its only costing them money and requiring them to use more power to cover everything up. Not to mention that if a government spilled the beans and toppled every other government by inciting world wide civil unrest, that government would undoubtedly be the most powerful and rich government in the world.

well without having an enemy they cant draw on peoples insecurities/mistrust to indoctrinate them into flat earth with the most absolutely intelligence breaking arguments with severe lack of understanding. Most people wouldnt come to a site like this but watch the videos on youtube and the people who make those videos are one of or some maybe even all of these things being liars/deceivers/intelligence levels that border on a disability (not an attack just an observation)/lack of understanding of science/arm chair scientists with zero training/straight up lunatics etc. its crazy

The X-15 pilots who lived on my street, one of whom told me he saw the curve of the earth through the X-15 window. That window is 2 inches thick, very flat, and almost rectangular, the edges are straight. There is a video out that window pointing to the rear that includes the wings and curvature of the earth. The wing appears straight, so no fisheye lens. 200,000 feet, astronaut's wings.

I am offended that FEs call this man, a USAF test pilot who was horribly injured in an X-15 crash and died from it a couple years later, for the advancement of USA, a liar.

Another group that knows:

https://www.amsat.org/


They already talk by pointing their antennas at satellites that must be where their RE orbit says they are, they built both the satellites and the radios. Their next satellite is going on SpaceX rocket. After it is up there and they use it, anxious to hear the explanation of how the hams and a private company doing RE satellite stuff works on FE. WHen the hams go into the meeting, does SpaceX know FE, do the hams? When the satellite splats against the dome, does the NASA conspiracy swing into action to substitute "stratalites" or balloons that capable implausibly capable of faking the hams out, all while doing the same with satellite tv and internet and gps etc etc etc? And with so few people and small budget to keep secret?

I have asked this, and got that most triumphant of FE victories, no replies. They triumphed by not responding! A powerful rhetorical device!

The X-15 pilots who lived on my street, one of whom told me he saw the curve of the earth through the X-15 window. That window is 2 inches thick, very flat, and almost rectangular, the edges are straight. There is a video out that window pointing to the rear that includes the wings and curvature of the earth. The wing appears straight, so no fisheye lens. 200,000 feet, astronaut's wings.

The X-15 pilots who lived on my street told me they only flew to 83 kilometers.
And the Earth looked totally flat.

Quote from: jimster on March 20, 2019, 12:16:58 PM

The X-15 pilots who lived on my street, one of whom told me he saw the curve of the earth through the X-15 window. That window is 2 inches thick, very flat, and almost rectangular, the edges are straight. There is a video out that window pointing to the rear that includes the wings and curvature of the earth. The wing appears straight, so no fisheye lens. 200,000 feet, astronaut's wings.

The X-15 pilots who lived on my street told me they only flew to 83 kilometers.
And the Earth looked totally flat.

Really?

X-15 Flight 91
X-15 Flight 91 was a 1963 American manned mission, and the second and final flight in the program to achieve sub-orbital spaceflight—a flight over 100 km in altitude—which was previously achieved during Flight 90 a month earlier. It was the highest flight of the X-15 program. It was the first flight of a reused spacecraft, as plane number three flew the previous sub-orbital flight on July 19. This mission was piloted by Joseph A. Walker on August 22, 1963, with the air-launch occurring from a modified Boeing B-52 Stratofortress support plane over Smith Ranch Dry Lake, Nevada, United States. Walker piloted the X-15 to an altitude of 107.96 km and remained weightless for approximately five minutes. The altitude was the highest manned flight by a spaceplane to that time and remained the record until the 1981 flight of Space Shuttle Columbia. Walker landed the X-15 about 12 minutes after it was launched, at Rogers Dry Lake, Edwards Airforce Base, in California. This was Walker's final X-15 flight.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 26, 2019, 03:04:08 AM

Quote from: jimster on March 20, 2019, 12:16:58 PM

The X-15 pilots who lived on my street, one of whom told me he saw the curve of the earth through the X-15 window. That window is 2 inches thick, very flat, and almost rectangular, the edges are straight. There is a video out that window pointing to the rear that includes the wings and curvature of the earth. The wing appears straight, so no fisheye lens. 200,000 feet, astronaut's wings.

The X-15 pilots who lived on my street told me they only flew to 83 kilometers.
And the Earth looked totally flat.

Really?

Quote

X-15 Flight 91
X-15 Flight 91 was a 1963 American manned mission, and the second and final flight in the program to achieve sub-orbital spaceflight—a flight over 100 km in altitude—which was previously achieved during Flight 90 a month earlier. It was the highest flight of the X-15 program. It was the first flight of a reused spacecraft, as plane number three flew the previous sub-orbital flight on July 19. This mission was piloted by Joseph A. Walker on August 22, 1963, with the air-launch occurring from a modified Boeing B-52 Stratofortress support plane over Smith Ranch Dry Lake, Nevada, United States. Walker piloted the X-15 to an altitude of 107.96 km and remained weightless for approximately five minutes. The altitude was the highest manned flight by a spaceplane to that time and remained the record until the 1981 flight of Space Shuttle Columbia. Walker landed the X-15 about 12 minutes after it was launched, at Rogers Dry Lake, Edwards Airforce Base, in California. This was Walker's final X-15 flight.

Nope, 83 kilometers.

Quote from: rabinoz on March 26, 2019, 04:09:45 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 26, 2019, 03:04:08 AM

Quote from: jimster on March 20, 2019, 12:16:58 PM

The X-15 pilots who lived on my street, one of whom told me he saw the curve of the earth through the X-15 window. That window is 2 inches thick, very flat, and almost rectangular, the edges are straight. There is a video out that window pointing to the rear that includes the wings and curvature of the earth. The wing appears straight, so no fisheye lens. 200,000 feet, astronaut's wings.

The X-15 pilots who lived on my street told me they only flew to 83 kilometers.
And the Earth looked totally flat.

Really?

Quote

X-15 Flight 91
X-15 Flight 91 was a 1963 American manned mission, and the second and final flight in the program to achieve sub-orbital spaceflight—a flight over 100 km in altitude—which was previously achieved during Flight 90 a month earlier. It was the highest flight of the X-15 program. It was the first flight of a reused spacecraft, as plane number three flew the previous sub-orbital flight on July 19. This mission was piloted by Joseph A. Walker on August 22, 1963, with the air-launch occurring from a modified Boeing B-52 Stratofortress support plane over Smith Ranch Dry Lake, Nevada, United States. Walker piloted the X-15 to an altitude of 107.96 km and remained weightless for approximately five minutes. The altitude was the highest manned flight by a spaceplane to that time and remained the record until the 1981 flight of Space Shuttle Columbia. Walker landed the X-15 about 12 minutes after it was launched, at Rogers Dry Lake, Edwards Airforce Base, in California. This was Walker's final X-15 flight.

Nope, 83 kilometers.

You must have lived in the wrong street!

Nope. I believe the pilots on my street.


There were 5 of them.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71053.msg1921467#msg1921467

Nope. I believe the pilots on my street.

There were 5 of them.

By your impeccable logic, it would appear that Joseph A. Walker must have been one that lived in your street and he flew to 82.7 km, 105.9 km and 107.8 km.

How's them apples?

The X-15 pilots who lived on my street told me they only flew to 83 kilometers.
And the Earth looked totally flat.

Here's the list of pilots. Which one's lived on your street?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_X-15_flights

Impossible means that something is "not able to occur, exist, or be done." Improbable means that something is "not likely to be true or to happen."

Saying anything is impossible is a very bold claim albeit it is sometimes true. Humans can not fly unaided, for example. Saying something is improbable is also a bold claim, though one much easier to support. I agree that a government cover-up of sorts is statistically improbable.

But it is possible. The conspiracy theory fallacy does come into play:

The Ice Wall is true.
NASA is why the Ice Wall cannot be proven.
Therefore, the Ice Wall is true.

Lancaster, CA, and Edwards AFB. The X-15 pilots were John McKay, his daughter Kathy was a cheerleader in my high school (AVHS). They lived on Kerrick St, south side, about half way down. He was in the big famous X-15 crash and was so messed up (two inches shorter and internal/back problems) he turned to alcohol and died a couple years later. On the corner of Kerrick and 15th was the house of "Pete" Knight, X-15 pilot and later state assemblyman famous for disowning his gay son, I knew his son and daughter. Another pilot on my street John Manke (NASA lifting body, research for space shuttle), his daughter was my brother's girlfriend.

Milt Thompson Jr walked up to me in 8th grade and said "My father flies the X-15, what does your father do?". He would punch me, he was a jerk bully. I have been going to HS reunions for years hoping to beat the shit out of him, but he never comes.

I can give you endless details about my youth at Edwards and Lancaster. If I am making it up, I am going to a lot of trouble. I can type stuff from my youth faster than you can google it to find it is true, because I don't have to google it, I can remember. It was a wonderful childhood for a guy who loved airplanes and tech. It really happened, no matter what you think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Knight
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._McKay

Nevermind making sure the governments don't blab, you've got to hope all these people don't spill the beans:

airline crew
air force air crew
ships crew
astronauts
private space companies
anyone involved in designing, building or launching spacecraft
anyone involved in telecoms (ie, phone companies, TV companies, radio stations, radio hams)
fuel buyers for airlines and ships
all astronomers, professional or amateur
all scientists involved in physics, earth sciences, atmospherics
all school children who have launched high altitude balloons

I'm sure there are many more, feel free to add them below...

This list is pretty silly. I suppose the janitors at NASA need to be in on it too?

I can give you endless details about my youth at Edwards and Lancaster. If I am making it up, I am going to a lot of trouble. I can type stuff from my youth faster than you can google it to find it is true, because I don't have to google it, I can remember. It was a wonderful childhood for a guy who loved airplanes and tech. It really happened, no matter what you think.

The pilots who moved to my street would always complain about some kid where they moved from who wouldn't stop pestering them about the X15.