Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #90 on: March 07, 2019, 02:06:44 PM »
Sceptimatic, do you believe 737s travel at 1600 mph?
No.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #91 on: March 07, 2019, 02:08:18 PM »

A couple of hundred miles away?
Why?

Why land on the barge instead of land back at Cape Canaveral launch site? That’s easy.  Just re-using the first stage costs the potential payload by up to 30% depending on where the landing attempt is made!  To land on the barge it takes less fuel! Landing on the barge rather then spending extra fuel to land back at the launch site gives  them 15% payload capacity! Don’t you think if you were able to make 15% more money selling payload capacity you would try it, as crazy as landing on a barge might sound?   Side note, if it was all fake...  why would they try it at all?  Following the money leads to the truth pretty frequently as it does here in this as well.

This is the difference between private space flight and the ridiculously inefficient NASA shuttle which cost 400 million per launch regardless of the payload!
In bold.
They didn't. It's CGI. It's a blatant nonsense. Good for sci-fi fans but that's about it.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #92 on: March 07, 2019, 02:10:58 PM »
If your Earth is spinning at close to 1000 mph then it's going fast compared to anyone trying to leave it.
Here's a fun fact for you.  I doubt that you ever paid that much attention, but most launches are to the east.  This means that you get to use that nearly 1000 mph spin of the earth to get a head start on the 17,500 mph speed that you need to reach orbit.
I thought the rocket gets dragged along. This is what keeps being said, so what's all this about turn?
Also, why most launches?

It seems this Earth spin is used when it suits but not used when it also suits. Weird that, eh?

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #93 on: March 07, 2019, 02:12:22 PM »
How high does this fictional rocket go before it jettisons this so called airliner sized tube to somehow regain fuel to burn to arrest a fall onto a silly barge just anchored somewhere in the ocean, as we are led to believe?

Considering that in your model you don't know how high your dome is and therefore where the atmosphere ends, why would you care what the separation altitude is? For all you know, it works splendidly as long as it pushes against atmosphere and doesn't bump into your dome. Unless you have some calculations as to why it's size and altitude would be an issue in your model, it just does what it does.
I can only question stuff on the nonsense that mainstream put out.
You didn't answer the question. I wonder why?

I wonder why you can't answer how high your dome is. How high is it?
No need to worry about that. Worry more about high high those effigies go that are told to us as being space rockets when they're nothing of the sort.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #94 on: March 07, 2019, 02:14:35 PM »

To go vertically plump, you would need to be pushed backwards.
This isn't weight watchers upright cheating. What are you trying to prove?

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #95 on: March 07, 2019, 02:58:00 PM »
How high does this fictional rocket go before it jettisons this so called airliner sized tube to somehow regain fuel to burn to arrest a fall onto a silly barge just anchored somewhere in the ocean, as we are led to believe?

Considering that in your model you don't know how high your dome is and therefore where the atmosphere ends, why would you care what the separation altitude is? For all you know, it works splendidly as long as it pushes against atmosphere and doesn't bump into your dome. Unless you have some calculations as to why it's size and altitude would be an issue in your model, it just does what it does.
I can only question stuff on the nonsense that mainstream put out.
You didn't answer the question. I wonder why?

I wonder why you can't answer how high your dome is. How high is it?
No need to worry about that. Worry more about high high those effigies go that are told to us as being space rockets when they're nothing of the sort.

Well, from what I could find, booster separation happens at approximately an altitude of 80 kilometers, or about 50 miles, and a velocity of Mach 10.

So considering you don't know how high your snow globe dome is, using your model and considering they didn't crash into anything, it must be higher than that. And also considering your model they certainly do fit with in your construct - They push off the atmosphere to go up then push off the atmosphere to land. So I really don't know why you keep going on about CGI and stuff when they totally work in your model. Unless there's something about your model you haven't mentioned before.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #96 on: March 07, 2019, 03:02:15 PM »
Sceptimatic you still have added nothing to the conversation.  Now all rockets are fake?  How about the dozens of launches spacex and other private agencies failures and aborted launches that blew up? Are those fake too?  I am at work and can’t post much, but there are loads of rocket video failures that behave exactly like a rocket would if their trajectory changed dramatically and explosively.  They have no shared behavior of any balloon.

Why would they fake explosions and failures?   How many failures would need to be faked to make it look real?  You see this is a little silly right?

You have been shown dozens of amateur videos showing the spacex landings match the official videos.  You yourself could go watch a landing if they land back on soil and videotape it to prove it’s all fake! Yet, you don’t do anything other then say fake! cgi! with zero evidence and zero ambition to test your theories.  Who has more credence? The person willing to fly from Chile to Australia nonstop or the armchair conspiracist who calls it all fake?  The person who takes HD cameras and any other tools he needs to a launch/landing to disprove a launch or the person who just cries FAKE and never researches anything as far as we can tell?

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #97 on: March 07, 2019, 04:29:21 PM »
I thought the rocket gets dragged along. This is what keeps being said, so what's all this about turn?
Also, why most launches?
Who, apart from you, has said that "the rocket gets dragged along" by the atmosphere?

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It seems this Earth spin is used when it suits but not used when it also suits. Weird that, eh?
No, it's all quite consistent. I can't see why you could possibly have a problem with it.
But then very long time member and "Flat Earth Editor", Benjamin Franklin, did label you one of the "crazy people ::)" - not the words I would have used but maybe that explains your problem.

Arianespace, for example, launches many of its rockets from the Guiana Space Center in French Guiana - Ensemble de Lancement Ariane 3.
This is only 5.2° north of the equator so there the rockets start with an initial West to East velocity of 0.463 km/sec.
This is a small but useful start to the 7.79 km/s velocity needed for a Low Earth Orbit at an altitude of 200 km.
The point is that the rocket does not lose this velocity and the atmosphere makes no contribution to it.

An aircraft flies in the atmosphere but does not need the atmosphere to "drag it along" - the atmosphere simply moves with the surface and causes drag on the aircraft..

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #98 on: March 07, 2019, 06:16:48 PM »
Sceptimatic, do you believe 737s travel at 1600 mph?
No.

Well of course not because you’re a FEer, but are you going to argue that, in RE, 737s that travel eastward travel at 1600 mph so the Earth isn’t rotating faster than the plane can fly to its intended destination?

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #99 on: March 08, 2019, 12:07:13 AM »
So relative to the ground, if i jump on the spot in a plane, I have smashed every single world record for long jumping. Hell, I could walk the long jump.
You think you are the first person to think of jumping on a plane?
And jumping forwards, on a fast plane?

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #100 on: March 08, 2019, 12:10:22 AM »
I thought the rocket gets dragged along. This is what keeps being said, so what's all this about turn?
No, that isn't what keeps being said. You are setting up yet another straw-man.

Also, why most launches?
Because sometimes they want to have the craft orbit in a polar orbit, in which case the 1000 miles per hour isn't helpful.

It seems this Earth spin is used when it suits but not used when it also suits. Weird that, eh?
No, it seems it is used when it has a significant impact.

This isn't weight watchers upright cheating. What are you trying to prove?
That your analogy doesn't match what we are talking about.

Like I said, all that is needed to show it is crap is for you to jump on a train or plane.
According to your nonsense you will go splat against the back of it.

Just what are you trying to prove with your analogies which don't match the situation at all?

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #101 on: March 08, 2019, 01:02:14 AM »
Sceptimatic you still have added nothing to the conversation.  Now all rockets are fake?
I do add to a conversation but what I don't do is pander to the whim of people like you and your sci-fi pals.
Also I never said rockets are fake. It's best that you actually understand what I say and word it and that way you won't get frustrated by trying to twist it and wondering why you get non compliance.

So let's just make this clear, once again.
All rockets that are told to us are space rockets/ICBM's....are fake, in my opinion.

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  How about the dozens of launches spacex and other private agencies failures and aborted launches that blew up? Are those fake too?
yep.

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I am at work and can’t post much, but there are loads of rocket video failures that behave exactly like a rocket would if their trajectory changed dramatically and explosively.  They have no shared behavior of any balloon.
Because your theory on what a balloon is, is not the same as what I'm conveying.


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Why would they fake explosions and failures?
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  How many failures would need to be faked to make it look real?  You see this is a little silly right?
They probably don't fake some explosions. That will be a consequence of launching dodgy equipment.
There'll be a mix of it.

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You have been shown dozens of amateur videos showing the spacex landings match the official videos.
No I haven't. I've been shown videos that are sketchy at best and bordering on the ridiculous. Certainly not amateur.
You think amateur video is going to be a few hundred miles out to sea and allowed to be close to a so called barge landing?
Nonsense in the extreme.
I'm hoping you don't really believe all this garbage and you're just a mainstream contrarian to the minority.


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  You yourself could go watch a landing if they land back on soil and videotape it to prove it’s all fake!
 Yet, you don’t do anything other then say fake! cgi! with zero evidence and zero ambition to test your theories.
I suppose you could...but you haven't.

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  Who has more credence? The person willing to fly from Chile to Australia nonstop or the armchair conspiracist who calls it all fake?
The person who flew to Australia non-stop. Do you know of anyone?

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The person who takes HD cameras and any other tools he needs to a launch/landing to disprove a launch or the person who just cries FAKE and never researches anything as far as we can tell?
The person who takes HD cameras and any other tools he needs to a launch/landing to disprove a launch. Do you know of anyone?

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #102 on: March 08, 2019, 01:05:44 AM »
If your Earth is spinning at close to 1000 mph then it's going fast compared to anyone trying to leave it.
Here's a fun fact for you.  I doubt that you ever paid that much attention, but most launches are to the east.  This means that you get to use that nearly 1000 mph spin of the earth to get a head start on the 17,500 mph speed that you need to reach orbit.
I thought the rocket gets dragged along. This is what keeps being said, so what's all this about turn?
Also, why most launches?

It seems this Earth spin is used when it suits but not used when it also suits. Weird that, eh?

So, basically you still don’t understand basic scientific concepts and therefore it’s all wrong and/or fake.
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by ignorance or stupidity.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #103 on: March 08, 2019, 01:08:51 AM »
I thought the rocket gets dragged along. This is what keeps being said, so what's all this about turn?
Also, why most launches?
Who, apart from you, has said that "the rocket gets dragged along" by the atmosphere?
You people change it up as and when it suits.

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It seems this Earth spin is used when it suits but not used when it also suits. Weird that, eh?
No, it's all quite consistent. I can't see why you could possibly have a problem with it.
But then very long time member and "Flat Earth Editor", Benjamin Franklin, did label you one of the "crazy people ::)" - not the words I would have used but maybe that explains your problem.

I'm not interested in what Benjamin Franklin thinks of me. Most of the flat Earth hierarchy don't like me. I have no control over that.
In your favour, they would like to see me gone because I don;t follow whatever it is I'm supposed to follow.
Rab, I'm under no illusions about my worth on here. You are worth 10,000 of me to this forum. You know that. The issue is.....why ?
I never get answers but then again this isn't the topic for that yet you feel you need to let me know.  ;D



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Arianespace, for example, launches many of its rockets from the Guiana Space Center in French Guiana - Ensemble de Lancement Ariane 3.
This is only 5.2° north of the equator so there the rockets start with an initial West to East velocity of 0.463 km/sec.
This is a small but useful start to the 7.79 km/s velocity needed for a Low Earth Orbit at an altitude of 200 km.
The point is that the rocket does not lose this velocity and the atmosphere makes no contribution to it.

An aircraft flies in the atmosphere but does not need the atmosphere to "drag it along" - the atmosphere simply moves with the surface and causes drag on the aircraft..
Yeah. It makes no sense and always shoehorned to fit whatever narrative, as and when.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #104 on: March 08, 2019, 01:10:38 AM »
Sceptimatic, do you believe 737s travel at 1600 mph?
No.

Well of course not because you’re a FEer, but are you going to argue that, in RE, 737s that travel eastward travel at 1600 mph so the Earth isn’t rotating faster than the plane can fly to its intended destination?
Maybe ask sci-fi fan Brian Cox what happens. He seems to be in the know and then confused about it all.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #105 on: March 08, 2019, 01:12:58 AM »
If your Earth is spinning at close to 1000 mph then it's going fast compared to anyone trying to leave it.
Here's a fun fact for you.  I doubt that you ever paid that much attention, but most launches are to the east.  This means that you get to use that nearly 1000 mph spin of the earth to get a head start on the 17,500 mph speed that you need to reach orbit.
I thought the rocket gets dragged along. This is what keeps being said, so what's all this about turn?
Also, why most launches?

It seems this Earth spin is used when it suits but not used when it also suits. Weird that, eh?

So, basically you still don’t understand basic scientific concepts and therefore it’s all wrong and/or fake.
I fully understand the sci-fi that you people push. It's sci-fi by 100%.
You see I'm arguing sci-fa. It's different and people like you are trying to ensure sci-fa is replaced by sci-fi to keep alive the nonsense you adhere to...or believe in, which I'm sceptical about.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #106 on: March 08, 2019, 02:51:36 AM »
I thought the rocket gets dragged along. This is what keeps being said, so what's all this about turn?
Also, why most launches?
Who, apart from you, has said that "the rocket gets dragged along" by the atmosphere?
You people change it up as and when it suits.
I asked YOU the explicit question, "Who, apart from you, has said that 'the rocket gets dragged along' by the atmosphere?"
Please give examples where "people change it up as and when it suits."
If you refuse, I'll be forced to assume that this just another of the numerous fairytales that that you dream up to fit your own narrative.

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Arianespace, for example, launches many of its rockets from the Guiana Space Center in French Guiana - Ensemble de Lancement Ariane 3.
This is only 5.2° north of the equator so there the rockets start with an initial West to East velocity of 0.463 km/sec.
This is a small but useful start to the 7.79 km/s velocity needed for a Low Earth Orbit at an altitude of 200 km.
The point is that the rocket does not lose this velocity and the atmosphere makes no contribution to it.

An aircraft flies in the atmosphere but does not need the atmosphere to "drag it along" - the atmosphere simply moves with the surface and causes drag on the aircraft..
Yeah. It makes no sense and always shoehorned to fit whatever narrative, as and when.
They all make perfect sense if you bother to even consider the issue but you suffer from such a monstrous self-delusion that you refuse to even check any calculations involved.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #107 on: March 08, 2019, 03:34:48 AM »

They all make perfect sense if you bother to even consider the issue but you suffer from such a monstrous self-delusion that you refuse to even check any calculations involved.
Calculations can be fit into anything no matter what it is.
The issue is in the real feasibility of it, which is completely lost on people like yourself  because you are willing to accept the calculations for stuff that your own logical sense should tell you is impossible.

This is why people like you think 3000 tonne rockets can launch without simply blasting to smithereens on the launch pad, but even standing something of that mass, upright and hollow and filled with fuel inside a thin skin with massive hanging engines on the bottom while this supposed rocket stays attached somehow.

You see, if they told you the rocket was 50,000 tonnes and had engines 15 to 20 times the power of the supposed original sci-fi one's, you would argue for the calculations given out.

You see, calculations are fine when they represent genuine bonafide reality for their purpose.
The calculations you talk about are basically sci-fi.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #108 on: March 08, 2019, 04:33:45 AM »

They all make perfect sense if you bother to even consider the issue but you suffer from such a monstrous self-delusion that you refuse to even check any calculations involved.
Calculations can be fit into anything no matter what it is.
The issue is in the real feasibility of it, which is completely lost on people like yourself  because you are willing to accept the calculations for stuff that your own logical sense should tell you is impossible.
Rubbish! Don't you dare try to tell me what my "own logical sense should tell you is impossible".

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This is why people like you think 3000 tonne rockets can launch without simply blasting to smithereens on the launch pad,
Some common sense please! "3000-tonne rockets" do not launch by "simply blasting to smithereens on the launch pad". Some have but no Saturn Vs failed to launch.

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but even standing something of that mass, upright and hollow and filled with fuel inside a thin skin with massive hanging engines on the bottom while this supposed rocket stays attached somehow.
You see, if they told you the rocket was 50,000 tonnes and had engines 15 to 20 times the power of the supposed original sci-fi one's, you would argue for the calculations given out.
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If it is properly designed, constructed it will stand-up but if not it might fail as many did fail, especially if the early days of rocketry.

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No, I would check out the calculations based on the fuel load and its Specific impulse to get at least a rough idea whether or not it was feasible.
I don't need to simply accept someone else's ideas. I'm no Rocket Scientist but I know enough to check if it was reasonable.

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You see, calculations are fine when they represent genuine bonafide reality for their purpose.
The calculations you talk about are basically sci-fi.
Stop being totally idiotic!
None of my calculations were related to "3000-tonne rockets can launch without simply blasting to smithereens on the launch pad" nor
about any "50,000 tonnes and had engines 15 to 20 times the power of the supposed original sci-fi one's".

The "The calculations I talk about" had nothing to do with "sci-fi"!
They were simple easy to verify calculations about the speed of the earth's surface. I gave that as 0.463 km/sec and that is 1035 mph.
And you flat-earthers are forever claiming that is the earth spins at over 1000 mph then we should "all feel it" and "all the water will fly off"!
Then the "the 7.79 km/s velocity needed for a Low Earth Orbit at an altitude of 200 km" can be looked up by anyone or calculated if you can do some simple sums.

But you take no notice of what is written and spout your same old silly story.

LOOK AGAIN!
Arianespace, for example, launches many of its rockets from the Guiana Space Center in French Guiana - Ensemble de Lancement Ariane 3.
This is only 5.2° north of the equator so there the rockets start with an initial West to East velocity of 0.463 km/sec.
This is a small but useful start to the 7.79 km/s velocity needed for a Low Earth Orbit at an altitude of 200 km.
The point is that the rocket does not lose this velocity and the atmosphere makes no contribution to it.

Wake up from your dream world and face reality!

But the bottom line is that you simply cannot allow yourself to believe these things because that would destroy totally the little fictitious "world-view" that you've built up for yourself - and you cannot let that happen.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #109 on: March 08, 2019, 05:49:48 AM »

They all make perfect sense if you bother to even consider the issue but you suffer from such a monstrous self-delusion that you refuse to even check any calculations involved.
Calculations can be fit into anything no matter what it is.
The issue is in the real feasibility of it, which is completely lost on people like yourself  because you are willing to accept the calculations for stuff that your own logical sense should tell you is impossible.

This is why people like you think 3000 tonne rockets can launch without simply blasting to smithereens on the launch pad, but even standing something of that mass, upright and hollow and filled with fuel inside a thin skin with massive hanging engines on the bottom while this supposed rocket stays attached somehow.

You see, if they told you the rocket was 50,000 tonnes and had engines 15 to 20 times the power of the supposed original sci-fi one's, you would argue for the calculations given out.

You see, calculations are fine when they represent genuine bonafide reality for their purpose.
The calculations you talk about are basically sci-fi.
How do broadcast satellites that we all use get into a geosynchronous position?

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #110 on: March 08, 2019, 06:02:29 AM »

They all make perfect sense if you bother to even consider the issue but you suffer from such a monstrous self-delusion that you refuse to even check any calculations involved.
Calculations can be fit into anything no matter what it is.
The issue is in the real feasibility of it, which is completely lost on people like yourself  because you are willing to accept the calculations for stuff that your own logical sense should tell you is impossible.

This is why people like you think 3000 tonne rockets can launch without simply blasting to smithereens on the launch pad, but even standing something of that mass, upright and hollow and filled with fuel inside a thin skin with massive hanging engines on the bottom while this supposed rocket stays attached somehow.

You see, if they told you the rocket was 50,000 tonnes and had engines 15 to 20 times the power of the supposed original sci-fi one's, you would argue for the calculations given out.

You see, calculations are fine when they represent genuine bonafide reality for their purpose.
The calculations you talk about are basically sci-fi.
How do broadcast satellites that we all use get into a geosynchronous position?
Foundations deep in the ground or guy wires.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #111 on: March 08, 2019, 06:49:53 AM »
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How do broadcast satellites that we all use get into a geosynchronous position?
Foundations deep in the ground or guy wires.

Foundations deep in the ground?  So, a radio antennae? One so tall it can be viewed as a non moving small light in the sky hundreds to thousands of miles away with long exposures of a camera?  How tall are these antennaes?  The entire Earth has been explored where those antennaes are located...  their location is, wait for it...  along the Equator for most of them...  Why aren’t there any photographs of these multiple mile high antennaes reaching above the clouds or any acknowledgement or conspiracy of them on the entire internet? 

Guy wires?  Like they are hanging from a dome with wires?  Can you draw a diagram or expand on this theory?

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #112 on: March 08, 2019, 07:02:34 AM »
If your Earth is spinning at close to 1000 mph then it's going fast compared to anyone trying to leave it.
Here's a fun fact for you.  I doubt that you ever paid that much attention, but most launches are to the east.  This means that you get to use that nearly 1000 mph spin of the earth to get a head start on the 17,500 mph speed that you need to reach orbit.
I thought the rocket gets dragged along. This is what keeps being said, so what's all this about turn?
Not dragged along, but already going the the same speed as the earth rotation.

Also, why most launches?
Because some satellites are launched into polar orbits where the speed from the earth's rotation doesn't add anything to the required orbital velocity.

It seems this Earth spin is used when it suits but not used when it also suits. Weird that, eh?
Not weird if you understand when the earth spin is useful and when it isn't.
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« Reply #113 on: March 08, 2019, 08:18:03 AM »

They all make perfect sense if you bother to even consider the issue but you suffer from such a monstrous self-delusion that you refuse to even check any calculations involved.
Calculations can be fit into anything no matter what it is.
The issue is in the real feasibility of it, which is completely lost on people like yourself  because you are willing to accept the calculations for stuff that your own logical sense should tell you is impossible.

This is why people like you think 3000 tonne rockets can launch without simply blasting to smithereens on the launch pad, but even standing something of that mass, upright and hollow and filled with fuel inside a thin skin with massive hanging engines on the bottom while this supposed rocket stays attached somehow.

You see, if they told you the rocket was 50,000 tonnes and had engines 15 to 20 times the power of the supposed original sci-fi one's, you would argue for the calculations given out.

You see, calculations are fine when they represent genuine bonafide reality for their purpose.
The calculations you talk about are basically sci-fi.
How do broadcast satellites that we all use get into a geosynchronous position?
Foundations deep in the ground or guy wires.
Please explain more, you know you have no evidence.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #114 on: March 08, 2019, 08:54:37 AM »
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How do broadcast satellites that we all use get into a geosynchronous position?
Foundations deep in the ground or guy wires.

Foundations deep in the ground?  So, a radio antennae? One so tall it can be viewed as a non moving small light in the sky hundreds to thousands of miles away with long exposures of a camera?  How tall are these antennaes?  The entire Earth has been explored where those antennaes are located...  their location is, wait for it...  along the Equator for most of them...  Why aren’t there any photographs of these multiple mile high antennaes reaching above the clouds or any acknowledgement or conspiracy of them on the entire internet? 

Guy wires?  Like they are hanging from a dome with wires?  Can you draw a diagram or expand on this theory?
Honestly stop going on about bright lights for crying out loud. What do you think so called satellites are? glow sticks?
LORAN and DELTA and the likes. That's all that's required and always has been.

No space stuff.
The very extreme is weather balloons and such.
As for communication, big structures all over the inhabited world do a great job.

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sceptimatic

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #115 on: March 08, 2019, 08:57:27 AM »
If your Earth is spinning at close to 1000 mph then it's going fast compared to anyone trying to leave it.
Here's a fun fact for you.  I doubt that you ever paid that much attention, but most launches are to the east.  This means that you get to use that nearly 1000 mph spin of the earth to get a head start on the 17,500 mph speed that you need to reach orbit.
I thought the rocket gets dragged along. This is what keeps being said, so what's all this about turn?
Not dragged along, but already going the the same speed as the earth rotation.


Tell me what Brian Cox did then when he caught up to the sun by... in his words equalling the rotation of the Earth.
One excuse after another when it's called out.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #116 on: March 08, 2019, 10:31:48 AM »
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How do broadcast satellites that we all use get into a geosynchronous position?
Foundations deep in the ground or guy wires.

Foundations deep in the ground?  So, a radio antennae? One so tall it can be viewed as a non moving small light in the sky hundreds to thousands of miles away with long exposures of a camera?  How tall are these antennaes?  The entire Earth has been explored where those antennaes are located...  their location is, wait for it...  along the Equator for most of them...  Why aren’t there any photographs of these multiple mile high antennaes reaching above the clouds or any acknowledgement or conspiracy of them on the entire internet? 

Guy wires?  Like they are hanging from a dome with wires?  Can you draw a diagram or expand on this theory?
Honestly stop going on about bright lights for crying out loud. What do you think so called satellites are? glow sticks?
LORAN and DELTA and the likes. That's all that's required and always has been.

No space stuff.
The very extreme is weather balloons and such.
As for communication, big structures all over the inhabited world do a great job.

You are aware you personally can take some longer exposure photographs of the sky over the Equator and you will see the pale lights of the geosynchronous satellites right not rotating with everything else in the sky?  This would require some photography skills and equipment you may not have.  This is easy to find online if you refuse to look for yourself with your own equipment. So no, a balloon cannot stay in one place seemingly indefinitely to produce that light (which is what dishes are pointed at) and is not providing your satellite cable 24/7 with only problems when the dish is bumped... or weather gets in the way of the signal... 

Can you elaborate on how balloons and massive antennaes with deep foundations are providing that point in the sky transmitting satellite TV for thousands and thousands of miles around them? Or guy wires?  How do they work? Are they hanging off the dome made of frozen helium?  You made the claim, you should defend it.

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #117 on: March 08, 2019, 12:33:13 PM »
I do add to a conversation
Not really.
You dismiss things as fake and ridicule it and appeal to horribly flawed analogies and ignore everything showing you are wrong.
That isn't adding to a conversation.

They probably don't fake some explosions.
The only reason for those explosions is if it is functioning as a rocket.
If it isn't, and instead is just a magic balloon, then there would be no explosion.


No I haven't.
Yes you have. You ignoring those videos don't make them cease to exist or mean you haven't been shown them.

The person who flew to Australia non-stop. Do you know of anyone?
I know plenty, including my close friends.

You people change it up as and when it suits.
No we don't. You just blatantly misrepresent things to pretend there is an issue.

The issue is.....why ?
See above, you offer nothing to any argument. You just scream fake, dismiss/ignore any evidence provided that shows you are wrong, continually assert the same refuted nonsense and ignore all the problems people point out with it. You then run away for a while and do it all over again.

It makes no sense and always shoehorned to fit whatever narrative, as and when.
What makes no sense?
You are completely unable to show anything wrong with it.

I fully understand the sci-fi that you people push. It's sci-fi by 100%.
See, this isn't you stating an opinion. This is you making a claim as a fact. Just like you repeatedly dismissing it as nonsense.

accept the calculations for stuff that your own logical sense should tell you is impossible.
WHY?
Why should our logical sense tell us it is impossible? You are yet to show a single problem with it. Instead all you have done is appeal to ridicule and spout unsubstantiated nonsense.

This is why people like you think 3000 tonne rockets can launch without simply blasting to smithereens on the launch pad
No. It is because we actually understand. The math has been shown to you which shows this isn't going to cause it to blow up just from the launch. But you ignore all that because it shows your argument is crap.

The calculations you talk about are basically sci-fi.
No, the calculations we talk about are those which allow us to determine some basic feasibility of a rocket. You just need to dismiss them because they show that rockets can work just fine.

Do you know what the important calculations/values are here?
The first ones to go through
The amount of thrust required to get the rocket off the ground and accelerating as seen.
The area this thrust acts upon.
Thus the pressure required to generate this thrust at the nozzle, and also in the combustion chamber itself (if separate from the nozzle).
This pressure can then easily be compared with known values that various materials can support.
If this pressure is small, like a few hundred bar, then it is basically nothing and can easily be held by the rocket without blowing up.
If it is large, like a few million bar, then it would raise very serious questions and cause people to doubt it's authenticity.

After that calculations would include how much fuel is required to get it into orbit, checking that fits within the mass of the rocket.

Notice how we have a sane method of doing some calculations to determine the feasibility, while all you can do is just scream fake and claim it can't happen?

We can all easily confirm for ourselves that small rockets work. Yet you wish to claim this 3000 tonne rocket can't, yet you can provide no justification for why.
If the 3000 tonne rocket should blow itself up, why shouldn't the small rocket?
Just where should the threshold be? What calculations can you make to see if a rocket will blow up or work?

Tell me what Brian Cox did then when he caught up to the sun by... in his words equalling the rotation of the Earth.
One excuse after another when it's called out.
You mean one pathetic distraction after another?
We are discussing rockets here.
Try and stay on topic.

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rabinoz

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #118 on: March 08, 2019, 04:30:33 PM »
Tell me what Brian Cox did then when he caught up to the sun by... in his words equalling the rotation of the Earth.
One excuse after another when it's called out.
Irrelevant to the topic, "Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS".
But briefly, all that happened when "Brian Cox . . . caught up to the sun by . . . equalling the rotation of the Earth" was that the sun appeared to stay still and not set until he slowed down again.

Why is that a problem? Many demonstrate a similar thing with drones that only ascend to about 400 feet.

If you want more detail make a new topic on that.

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Stash

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Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« Reply #119 on: March 08, 2019, 06:36:53 PM »
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How do broadcast satellites that we all use get into a geosynchronous position?
Foundations deep in the ground or guy wires.

Foundations deep in the ground?  So, a radio antennae? One so tall it can be viewed as a non moving small light in the sky hundreds to thousands of miles away with long exposures of a camera?  How tall are these antennaes?  The entire Earth has been explored where those antennaes are located...  their location is, wait for it...  along the Equator for most of them...  Why aren’t there any photographs of these multiple mile high antennaes reaching above the clouds or any acknowledgement or conspiracy of them on the entire internet? 

Guy wires?  Like they are hanging from a dome with wires?  Can you draw a diagram or expand on this theory?
Honestly stop going on about bright lights for crying out loud. What do you think so called satellites are? glow sticks?
LORAN and DELTA and the likes. That's all that's required and always has been.

No space stuff.
The very extreme is weather balloons and such.
As for communication, big structures all over the inhabited world do a great job.

I still don't see anything in your model that prevents rockets from doing what they do. In your model, as long as there it some level of atmosphere, rockets can push off of it. Is the size of the rocket a problem in your model? If so, why?