Brexit

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/03/757084924/boris-johnsons-brexit-plans-hit-turbulence-after-conservative-defection

So if the PM doesn't like the way the government is voting he can just force another election?  This seems like a very weird system of government.

The last time the Tories did it, they lost seats. It's not an instant win button, but it can help clear roadblocks. The UK's system isn't like the US's where the President's elected separately to party, the PM is just the leader of whichever party controls the House, so being able to shuffle that up is potentially beneficial.
That being said there is a worry that Boris at the helm will inexplicably get them votes from the people that just see him as amusing.

It's odd that the politicians simply don't scrap it.

They're the ones with hedge funds abroad that're poised to do better. They aren't doing this because they care about the people.

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/03/757084924/boris-johnsons-brexit-plans-hit-turbulence-after-conservative-defection

So if the PM doesn't like the way the government is voting he can just force another election?  This seems like a very weird system of government.

That's the norm in a lot of countries and it's not that weird. If even the government itself doesn't like how things are going and wants out, it's probably best not to force them to continue, for everyone's sake.

Ahh.  I see the problem.  All of your lawmakers are drunk.

This seems like a turning point in the Brexit story.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49810261?ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=facebook&ocid=socialflow_facebook

Borus - the very definition of dunning kruger.

Haha

Borus - the very definition of dunning kruger.

Haha

That would mean the person thinks they are intelligent....I don't even think he believes that lol

Quote from: Themightykabool on September 24, 2019, 07:31:28 AM

Borus - the very definition of dunning kruger.

Haha

That would mean the person thinks they are intelligent....I don't even think he believes that lol

I meant he thought gerting a brexit deal would be easy.
Haha

Putin's role in Brexit?

https://twitter.com/Billbrowder/status/1189914580698501121


We need to find a Natasha to go with Boris.   LOL,   Maybe Bullwinkle can help.

Scary stuff.

https://twitter.com/jason_kint/status/1192653576650264577

Quote from: Bom Tishop on September 24, 2019, 02:16:47 PM

Quote from: Themightykabool on September 24, 2019, 07:31:28 AM

Borus - the very definition of dunning kruger.

Haha

That would mean the person thinks they are intelligent....I don't even think he believes that lol

I meant he thought gerting a brexit deal would be easy.
Haha

All the shit he gave Theresa May.... lol. And then he comes up with a deal that some say is even crappier than hers was.

Why are 'Brexiteers' scared of a referendum now that the truth and more information is out there?

Why do they want to willingly play into the hands of Russia? Why do they not care that so many votes were based on lies and abuse of their data (eg Cambridge Analytica).

There should be truth in election/referendum advertisements. Something Facebook is reluctant to help out with. The entire referendum was a sham - and there wasn't even an agreement to what the hell Brexit even meant anyway. Run it again and use truth. None of those bullshit ads about costing millions of pounds a week to be in the euro or that Turkish citizens will flood the UK or other nonsense.

https://brexitlies.com/

Should the fate of the country really be in the hands of misinformed, xenophobic twats or foreign interference?

Yeah, I think that if the people understood how hard it would be to leave the EU (especially the Northern Ireland situation), then they might have voted differently.  Then again, I'm American, so my opinion probably doesn't count for much.

They should have just done what our government did and ignore the referendum while pretending they didn't lol.

Should the fate of the country really be in the hands of misinformed, xenophobic twats or foreign interference?

I dont agree with you so does that mean you are a racist 

Quote from: Shifter on November 08, 2019, 04:42:52 AM

Should the fate of the country really be in the hands of misinformed, xenophobic twats or foreign interference?

I dont agree with you so does that mean you are a racist 

You dont agree with my question?

Quote from: mak3m on November 11, 2019, 09:53:25 AM

Quote from: Shifter on November 08, 2019, 04:42:52 AM

Should the fate of the country really be in the hands of misinformed, xenophobic twats or foreign interference?

I dont agree with you so does that mean you are a racist 

You dont agree with my question?

Stand alone no, in context yes

First Dog on the moon,  always good for a dose of what's good for ya!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/03/you-know-youre-not-legally-required-to-like-jeremy-corbyn-in-order-to-vote-for-him-right

First Dog on the moon,  always good for a dose of what's good for ya!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/03/you-know-youre-not-legally-required-to-like-jeremy-corbyn-in-order-to-vote-for-him-right

Nice one

And yep. I'd love a Jeremy Corbyn for Prime Minster here. At least he has character. Our current one is just a lying scum bag full of weasel words.

Oh! Your house burned down! A whole town burned down! Now is not the time to talk about the climate. Let me offer you my thoughts and prayers! 

CNN: Boris Johnson on course for huge win in UK election, exit poll suggests.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/12/uk/uk-election-results-2019-ge19-intl-gbr/index.html

Well the people have spoken.

It's all Owen Jones fault, oh and that lady carrying the sign saying she'd give blowjobs for socialism.

CNN: Boris Johnson on course for huge win in UK election, exit poll suggests.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/12/uk/uk-election-results-2019-ge19-intl-gbr/index.html

Well the people have spoken.

They learned nothing from Brexit and voted a man who hides in a fucking fridge over someone else.
If I didn't have friends in the UK, I'd hope they all rot in their private health care hell. 

Quote from: Crouton on December 12, 2019, 05:35:53 PM

CNN: Boris Johnson on course for huge win in UK election, exit poll suggests.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/12/uk/uk-election-results-2019-ge19-intl-gbr/index.html

Well the people have spoken.

They learned nothing from Brexit and voted a man who hides in a fucking fridge over someone else.
If I didn't have friends in the UK, I'd hope they all rot in their private health care hell.

The first brexit vote sort of bothered me.  I felt as though it was poorly informed.  But there's been so much noise about it over the past few years that if the UK wants to stab itself in the face then go with God I guess.  There isn't much to be done about a country that really wants to thrust itself into a depression.

Quote from: Lorddave on December 12, 2019, 08:43:50 PM

Quote from: Crouton on December 12, 2019, 05:35:53 PM

CNN: Boris Johnson on course for huge win in UK election, exit poll suggests.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/12/uk/uk-election-results-2019-ge19-intl-gbr/index.html

Well the people have spoken.

They learned nothing from Brexit and voted a man who hides in a fucking fridge over someone else.
If I didn't have friends in the UK, I'd hope they all rot in their private health care hell.

The first brexit vote sort of bothered me.  I felt as though it was poorly informed.  But there's been so much noise about it over the past few years that if the UK wants to stab itself in the face then go with God I guess.  There isn't much to be done about a country that really wants to thrust itself into a depression.

Nope.  Then they'll all whine and cry when things go badly and blame labour like a bunch if asshats.

Before I'm like - The whole Brexit thing was built on a lie, it would be sad to see the people suffer undue hardship because of it

Now after a few years with polticians who should kn ow better creaming their pants at the idea of it and given the result the public has given to this mop head muppet of a PM I have the popcorn in hand watching this slow motion train wreck 

What a bunch of numpties

Oh well. It's what they asked for. Let them have it

Oh well. It's what they asked for. Let them have it

Well, half of us anyway.

Quote from: Shifter on December 13, 2019, 01:37:39 AM

Oh well. It's what they asked for. Let them have it

Well, half of us anyway.

Speaking from Australias experience, a landslide result is never a good result. It allows the government of the day to ram in anything they like through parliament and also gives them a heightened sense of arrogance and to lose touch with the general public

Hung parliaments at least hold them accountable a lot easier and require them to make amendments or negotiate a better legislation that is fairer for all the public. If you win the election by a factor of 1% then there are still half the country who dont go along with your vision and still need to be recognized. You should govern for all and not just your core supporters.

The only problem is when you get parties in opposition that use it to try and score political points by opposing for opposing sake.

Hey listen, I was against this shit show from day one, I have seen friends and family fall for the Corby is the devils son routine and frankly we do deserve to be ridiculed and then sunk.

Oh England, oh ancient warrior race how are your cyclamen doing.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/12/12/british-voters-are-terrified-us-companies-privatizing-nhs-they-should-be

Oh wow I didn't know about this angle.  Apparently as a bonus you brits are about to get our amazing health care system.  You know, the one where if you're not insured then you just declare bankruptcy every time you need an emergency room visit.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on December 13, 2019, 01:48:27 AM

Quote from: Shifter on December 13, 2019, 01:37:39 AM

Oh well. It's what they asked for. Let them have it

Well, half of us anyway.

Speaking from Australias experience, a landslide result is never a good result. It allows the government of the day to ram in anything they like through parliament and also gives them a heightened sense of arrogance and to lose touch with the general public

Hung parliaments at least hold them accountable a lot easier and require them to make amendments or negotiate a better legislation that is fairer for all the public. If you win the election by a factor of 1% then there are still half the country who dont go along with your vision and still need to be recognized. You should govern for all and not just your core supporters.

Well, the Tories got 43% of the vote, so not even a majority of voters.  However in our system this becomes a "landslide" with a massive house majority, giving the prime minister enormous powers.  Much more than in most systems, including the USA.  We don't have the "checks and balances" or an explicit consitution, meaning he can pretty much do what he likes for 5 years.

Back in the day the cabinet members used to be big players themselves and could often stand up to the PM - now they are a bunch of no-marks who nobody could pick out on a line up.  So the PM is Supreme Leader for 5 years.

Ugh.

Quote from: Shifter on December 13, 2019, 02:08:04 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on December 13, 2019, 01:48:27 AM

Quote from: Shifter on December 13, 2019, 01:37:39 AM

Oh well. It's what they asked for. Let them have it

Well, half of us anyway.

Speaking from Australias experience, a landslide result is never a good result. It allows the government of the day to ram in anything they like through parliament and also gives them a heightened sense of arrogance and to lose touch with the general public

Hung parliaments at least hold them accountable a lot easier and require them to make amendments or negotiate a better legislation that is fairer for all the public. If you win the election by a factor of 1% then there are still half the country who dont go along with your vision and still need to be recognized. You should govern for all and not just your core supporters.

Well, the Tories got 43% of the vote, so not even a majority of voters.  However in our system this becomes a "landslide" with a massive house majority, giving the prime minister enormous powers.  Much more than in most systems, including the USA.  We don't have the "checks and balances" or an explicit consitution, meaning he can pretty much do what he likes for 5 years.

Back in the day the cabinet members used to be big players themselves and could often stand up to the PM - now they are a bunch of no-marks who nobody could pick out on a line up.  So the PM is Supreme Leader for 5 years.

Ugh.

Yay

Worryingly these idiots are the best we can produce to lead us, whole thing is a shambles

So the PM is Supreme Leader for 5 years.

When is the last time a PM lasted for 5 years?