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Where do YOU learn your history from? Clearly not all it seems.

Cyprus is a British Soveriegn State, due mostly to it's important military status as I've mentioned. Why would Britain 'actually quietly' support an invasion by Turkey?

The Greek Cypriots wanted/want union with Greece. They killed hundreds of British people in their terrorist activities ( EOKA) and Turkey saw the situation moving towards Enosis, so using the pretext of a military coup by the Greeks, the Turks invaded to protect the Turkish Cypriots. Whether this was right or wrong is a political issue and I'm sure that you are not privy to the actual facts of the time.

For hundreds of years the Turks and Greeks had got along until the divisive tactics employed by some Greeks encouraged trouble. The invasion in 1974 was quelled, the Greek military junta collapsed and the country became divided, the Turkish in the North and the Cypriots in the South. The Green Line, as its called, was put in place as a buffer zone and is still there today although passage between North and South has relaxed a lot these days.

You would know that though, because you go there a lot don't you?

The EU has nothing to do with protecting countries and never will, maybe you're confusing it with NATO?

Your earlier comment about Turkey having invaded Cyprus in the 'near past' ( this year, last year?) seems at odds with your theory, or did the EU launch a counter attack? If so, I must have missd that bit of news. Dumbass.

Cyprus is a British Soveriegn State

Oh, really?

Fair point, maybe 'state' was incorrect and embedded in my colonial mindset. Akrotiri and Dhekelia are British Sovereign Bases so the whole island would fall under British protection in the event of invasion. Not a lot of point in just defending the bases if the rest of the island is swarming with invaders.
I dare say that the rest of NATO would get involved too, including Turkey.

The League of sane citizens (UK branch), apologise for MS's murder of historical fact, he is a brexiter.

The League of sane citizens (UK branch), apologise for MS's murder of historical fact, he is a brexiter.

Ah, that makes sense. Apology accepted.

Quote from: JerkFace on March 20, 2019, 11:27:38 PM

The kind of logic that you would only understand if you were mediating between Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots.

And therein lies my ignorance.
Back to you, sir.

Just checking on how your comprehension of Cypriot politics is going.....   learnt anything yet?

The League of sane citizens (UK branch), apologise for MS's murder of historical fact, he is a brexiter.

Historical fact? Which?
A Brexiteer? Did I say which way I voted, if at all?
Then, before we move on, could you tell me if you believe the Earth is round or that it is flat?

Cyprus is a British Soveriegn State

Lolwut? Cyprus is not a british state, Cyprus is just in the Commonwealth and also the British control a very small territory.

Why would Britain 'actually quietly' support an invasion by Turkey?

Because Britain did not desire Enosis.

Whether this was right or wrong is a political issue and I'm sure that you are not privy to the actual facts of the time.

I'm sure you aren't, since so far you've said some pretty absurd stuff. It is indeed hard to determine whether the invasion was justified, but it probably shouldn't have happened and the island shouldn't have been partitioned like that with the northern half being occupied and people having to flee their homes. But the important thing here is that Turkey does very much want to expand into the surrounding area and there is no guarantee they will keep hesitating in the future, especially given recent developments, and thus the EU is a powerful ally for some countries.

For hundreds of years the Turks and Greeks had got along

LMAO!!!

You would know that though, because you go there a lot don't you?

Dude I've got lots of Cypriot friends, I doubt you have more immediate and better information than me, especially given the stuff you're saying.

The EU has nothing to do with protecting countries and never will, maybe you're confusing it with NATO?

1) Learn about the Lisbon treaty. Please.
2) I already explained to you how the EU could serve to protect countries.
3) Both Turkey and Greece were in NATO when the invasion happened, and NATO basically shrugged and said "eh".

Your earlier comment about Turkey having invaded Cyprus in the 'near past' ( this year, last year?)

1974 is 45 years ago. That's not distant past.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on March 21, 2019, 12:01:40 AM

Quote from: JerkFace on March 20, 2019, 11:27:38 PM

The kind of logic that you would only understand if you were mediating between Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots.

And therein lies my ignorance.
Back to you, sir.

Just checking on how your comprehension of Cypriot politics is going.....   learnt anything yet?

Still don't care.   

Pezevenk, you have Cypriot friends, well good for you. Your knowledge must be so far in advance of anyone elses, I can only bow to you. Maybe they didn't get along with their Turkish neighbours, but most did.

You still seem to be transfixed with this idea that Turkey will attack again, because they want to expand blah blah blah. They are desperate to be part of the EU, so how would that pan out?
Maybe the same way as it did when they attacked in 1974 and NATO did nothing, as you say. Being part of the club doesn't mean shit.

Just so you know, 'near past' most certainly doesnt go back to 1974, unless you're talking in terms of the history of the Earth.

Back to the point, you think that any country being part of the EU will be protected by the EU ?

Pezevenk, you have Cypriot friends, well good for you. Your knowledge must be so far in advance of anyone elses, I can only bow to you.

That's not why I said it, I said it because you said "you would know that though, because you go there a lot don't you?".

Maybe they didn't get along with their Turkish neighbours, but most did.

You said Greeks got along with Turks for hundreds of years. That's incredibly ahistoric. It simply isn't true. Occupation and multiple uprisings and fights is not my idea of "getting along". It's true that Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots generally got along during the period we're talking about. But also the vast majority of Cypriots wanted Enosis, even long before all that happened.

You still seem to be transfixed with this idea that Turkey will attack again, because they want to expand blah blah blah. They are desperate to be part of the EU, so how would that pan out?

That's what I'm saying you idiot, they won't attack because they don't want to get on the bad side of the EU.

Just so you know, 'near past' most certainly doesnt go back to 1974, unless you're talking in terms of the history of the Earth.

It's pretty near in historical terms.

Back to the point, you think that any country being part of the EU will be protected by the EU ?

In most circumstances, yes. It simply is contrary to the interests of the EU not to do that.

Forget all the other crap you just said, you are the one that keeps mentioning Turkey attacking Cyprus and then you call me an idiot for reminding you of that?

You say that EU nations will protect eachother, then you talk about Turkey attacking, you cite recent events making it more likely, then say that they wont because of the EU? Make your mind up.

Forget all the other crap you just said, you are the one that keeps mentioning Turkey attacking Cyprus and then you call me an idiot for reminding you of that?

You say that EU nations will protect eachother, then you talk about Turkey attacking, you cite recent events making it more likely, then say that they wont because of the EU? Make your mind up.

I'm pretty sure everyone else understands exactly what my point is and I'm tired of explaining it. It's actually extremely simple: the fact that the EU exists, that EU states would help other EU states in case they were invaded, and the fact that lots of countries don't want to get on the bad side of the EU makes nations which would be otherwise very likely to invade or at the very least dispute borders of current EU member states, if these were not in the union. Therefore, EU membership also makes countries feel safer from threats external to the EU.

Nice theory. You don't live within the protectorate of the EU I presume?

Nice theory. You don't live within the protectorate of the EU I presume?

I do.

Recently?

Recently?

Yeah I'm here right now.

Quote from: MS on March 22, 2019, 06:46:41 AM

Forget all the other crap you just said, you are the one that keeps mentioning Turkey attacking Cyprus and then you call me an idiot for reminding you of that?

You say that EU nations will protect eachother, then you talk about Turkey attacking, you cite recent events making it more likely, then say that they wont because of the EU? Make your mind up.

I'm pretty sure everyone else understands exactly what my point is and I'm tired of explaining it. It's actually extremely simple: the fact that the EU exists, that EU states would help other EU states in case they were invaded, and the fact that lots of countries don't want to get on the bad side of the EU makes nations which would be otherwise very likely to invade or at the very least dispute borders of current EU member states, if these were not in the union. Therefore, EU membership also makes countries feel safer from threats external to the EU.

How is that different than NATO?

Quote from: MS on March 22, 2019, 07:06:47 AM

Recently?

Yeah I'm here right now.

Very good. I meant, when did your country join?

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 22, 2019, 07:00:59 AM

Quote from: MS on March 22, 2019, 06:46:41 AM

Forget all the other crap you just said, you are the one that keeps mentioning Turkey attacking Cyprus and then you call me an idiot for reminding you of that?

You say that EU nations will protect eachother, then you talk about Turkey attacking, you cite recent events making it more likely, then say that they wont because of the EU? Make your mind up.

I'm pretty sure everyone else understands exactly what my point is and I'm tired of explaining it. It's actually extremely simple: the fact that the EU exists, that EU states would help other EU states in case they were invaded, and the fact that lots of countries don't want to get on the bad side of the EU makes nations which would be otherwise very likely to invade or at the very least dispute borders of current EU member states, if these were not in the union. Therefore, EU membership also makes countries feel safer from threats external to the EU.

How is that different than NATO?

NATO's protection is really weak in a lot of cases. Its main purpose was really to keep the USSR out and preserve US hegemony and they don't really care that much about what could happen in countries that are members if it doesn't interfere very much with that agenda. If there was a dispute between two NATO countries one having an EU membership would help. Also a lot of people in many countries don't like supporting NATO and would prefer if they didn't have to rely on it (which is true for the EU as well but that is a different conversation).

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 22, 2019, 07:00:59 AM

Quote from: MS on March 22, 2019, 06:46:41 AM

Forget all the other crap you just said, you are the one that keeps mentioning Turkey attacking Cyprus and then you call me an idiot for reminding you of that?

You say that EU nations will protect eachother, then you talk about Turkey attacking, you cite recent events making it more likely, then say that they wont because of the EU? Make your mind up.

I'm pretty sure everyone else understands exactly what my point is and I'm tired of explaining it. It's actually extremely simple: the fact that the EU exists, that EU states would help other EU states in case they were invaded, and the fact that lots of countries don't want to get on the bad side of the EU makes nations which would be otherwise very likely to invade or at the very least dispute borders of current EU member states, if these were not in the union. Therefore, EU membership also makes countries feel safer from threats external to the EU.

How is that different than NATO?

NATO includes America, but shhh, don't tell Pezevenk, he feels safe with the EU protecting him.

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 22, 2019, 07:07:24 AM

Quote from: MS on March 22, 2019, 07:06:47 AM

Recently?

Yeah I'm here right now.

Very good. I meant, when did your country join?

1981.

NATO includes America, but shhh, don't tell Pezevenk, he feels safe with the EU protecting him.

You don't understand anything do you?

Quote from: MS on March 22, 2019, 07:09:25 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 22, 2019, 07:07:24 AM

Quote from: MS on March 22, 2019, 07:06:47 AM

Recently?

Yeah I'm here right now.

Very good. I meant, when did your country join?

1981.

Thought so.

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 22, 2019, 07:19:11 AM

Quote from: MS on March 22, 2019, 07:09:25 AM

Quote from: Pezevenk on March 22, 2019, 07:07:24 AM

Quote from: MS on March 22, 2019, 07:06:47 AM

Recently?

Yeah I'm here right now.

Very good. I meant, when did your country join?

1981.

Thought so.

Do you think you're making a point or something?

Nope, but all the clues were there.

Nope, but all the clues were there.

The clues to what? Your lack of understanding of anything?

Your interest in being part of the EU, your fixation with Turkey....

Your interest in being part of the EU, your fixation with Turkey....

Lol I know where you're getting at, you think you're extremely brilliant for finding out I'm Greek even though I've said it so many times in so many threads including very recently. "Interest in being part of the EU"? Do you think most Greeks like the EU or something? Lol. Greeks are probably every bit as anti-EU as Brits are, although the trend died down a bit recently. "Fixation with Turkey"? Yeah, it's definitely very weird to comment on how EU membership makes countries with neighbours who routinely violate their airspace feel safer and probably averts armed conflicts, and it means you're irrationally fixated with Turkey for no reason.

I have no interest in trawling your posts to determine your heritage.
Some Greeks might well be anti EU, especially since Tsipras, but you have to stay in because know that you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you...literally.