Your thoughts on Elon musk?

He also made Tesla what it is today.

A scam company based upon hype which has lost a massive amount of value because of him pulling out so much of his scam money?
A company that continually lies, massively overpromising and failing to deliver?
Wonderful example.

And while we are at it, we can't forget about the solar roof scam he worked on.

I wont call him a genius

I wouldn't either. I would call him a con-artist.

I wouldn't go so far as to call him a con artist. I definitely wouldn't call him Hitler.

Pre Twitter he reminds me of Chris Roberts, the guy who made wing commander. For the last ten years he's been creating a game called star citizen funded by kickstarter or something. He's put a crazy amount of resources into it with very little to show for it.

Some people call Chris Roberts a con man but I think this is just what happens when these idea guys have no constraints from the business guys. Broadly speaking I think Elon is in the same predicament.

I wouldn't go so far as to call him a con artist. I definitely wouldn't call him Hitler.

Pre Twitter he reminds me of Chris Roberts, the guy who made wing commander. For the last ten years he's been creating a game called star citizen funded by kickstarter or something. He's put a crazy amount of resources into it with very little to show for it.

Some people call Chris Roberts a con man but I think this is just what happens when these idea guys have no constraints from the business guys. Broadly speaking I think Elon is in the same predicament.

Is Chris making claims about what they can currently do which are entirely false, that they know are entirely false?
Was Elizabeth Holmes a con artist? Or just an ideas guy with no constraints from the business guys?

Quote from: Crouton on February 20, 2023, 01:03:25 PM

I wouldn't go so far as to call him a con artist. I definitely wouldn't call him Hitler.

Pre Twitter he reminds me of Chris Roberts, the guy who made wing commander. For the last ten years he's been creating a game called star citizen funded by kickstarter or something. He's put a crazy amount of resources into it with very little to show for it.

Some people call Chris Roberts a con man but I think this is just what happens when these idea guys have no constraints from the business guys. Broadly speaking I think Elon is in the same predicament.

Is Chris making claims about what they can currently do which are entirely false, that they know are entirely false?
Was Elizabeth Holmes a con artist? Or just an ideas guy with no constraints from the business guys?

The first question, kinda.

The second question, also kinda. The reason they didn't lock her up for life was because she didn't actually make any money off of this. I think she had this idea that she was sure she could execute. When reality came crashing down she resorted to some very illegal things to try to ignore it.

If she weren't so stubborn she would have listened to the experts and pursued something else. Not exactly the same thing as a con man. Definitely should be in prison.

Note the contrast with someone like Bernie madoff or Martin schkrelli. They identified a weakness in our financial system and exploited it for maximum profit without any intention of offering anything in return.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 20, 2023, 11:08:02 AM

I can understand not liking Elon Musk, but I will never understand the amount of hate some people have for him.

From people who have worked for him and judging by his actions he does seem a bit of an arsehole.

And while some people might look at him and say he is passionate and has a strong work ethic, and might be right, others might say he is a man child, narcissist, megalomaniac and whose leadership style is that of an autocrat and they too would be right. And like everything else in this now bullshit partisan world, his politics are at odds with many and as a CEO and the face of many companies such as Tesla and Space X, for the good of his companies he would be better to learn when to STFU rather than cater to the fringes of the far right just because it 'seems popular'

Right, it would make sense for people who have actually worked for him/know him personally to have  strong feelings about him, but comparing him to Pol Pot or some other genocidal maniac doesn't make much sense if you've never dealt with him before (and he's never killed a bunch of people, either). Also, I haven't seen him cater to the fringes of the far right, but there's a weird thing on the left right now that anyone who disagrees with them about anything is alt right or extreme alt right, or whatever. For example, some of your views (and mine) would get us labeled alt right by certain nutty people on the left.

Quote from: Wolvaccine on February 20, 2023, 11:24:28 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 20, 2023, 11:08:02 AM

I can understand not liking Elon Musk, but I will never understand the amount of hate some people have for him.

From people who have worked for him and judging by his actions he does seem a bit of an arsehole.

And while some people might look at him and say he is passionate and has a strong work ethic, and might be right, others might say he is a man child, narcissist, megalomaniac and whose leadership style is that of an autocrat and they too would be right. And like everything else in this now bullshit partisan world, his politics are at odds with many and as a CEO and the face of many companies such as Tesla and Space X, for the good of his companies he would be better to learn when to STFU rather than cater to the fringes of the far right just because it 'seems popular'

Right, it would make sense for people who have actually worked for him/know him personally to have  strong feelings about him, but comparing him to Pol Pot or some other genocidal maniac doesn't make much sense if you've never dealt with him before (and he's never killed a bunch of people, either). Also, I haven't seen him cater to the fringes of the far right, but there's a weird thing on the left right now that anyone who disagrees with them about anything is alt right or extreme alt right, or whatever. For example, some of your views (and mine) would get us labeled alt right by certain nutty people on the left.

Well obviously comparing him to murderous and genocidal dictators is just me being facetious. I have John Campbell in there too lol

The fringes of left and right are another breed altogether in my view. I generally have zero problems with and think people on the 'left' and 'right' to be normal and decent people. It's those that are 'far' or 'alt' on either side I believe are not at all representative of decent folk or the side of politics they claim to be with (left/right). In the same way most people on the right might not want to be associated with Alex Jones, Rudy Giuliani or some other white nationalist politics, the left doesn't want to be associated with the MAPs, the support of men pretending to be women in sports or the bullshit 'political correctness' where words like 'fat' are too offensive to say/print.

Social media has a way of amplifying the smallest cohorts of society and making out like it's the largest and very popular.

I do think though, there is a cancer in the Repugnican party and it's name is Trump lol. You guys need to cut that thing out!

Twitter used to be an ok place before the tumblr snowflakes starting transferring to twitter from Tumblr.
Now, it's just a toxic place where people argue with people because they think they're right and you're wrong.
Also, Elon's new subscription thing on Twitter allows people to impersonate famous people and cause chaos.
In other words, Elon has made twitter shitter than it already is.

I think our political cancer is bigger than Trump. IDK what is going to happen to us.

I feel like mere mention of his name empowers him. For as long as it is spoken, he and the ideology that still sadly exists today is not really dead. There have been so many terrible humans past and present I could fill a page though

I'm not really sure Heiwa has much of a following these days.

Also, I haven't seen him cater to the fringes of the far right, but there's a weird thing on the left right now that anyone who disagrees with them about anything is alt right or extreme alt right, or whatever.

I agree, but this totally cuts both ways. I've seen just as much from people on the right. You disagree with them, you're immediately labeled a woke socialist, caucasian-hating, destroying the very fabric of America, paedophilic baby-killer, unpatriotic, lib scum.

I agree, but this totally cuts both ways. I've seen just as much from people on the right. You disagree with them, you're immediately labeled a woke socialist, caucasian-hating, destroying the very fabric of America, paedophilic baby-killer, unpatriotic, lib scum.

It really does go both ways. The left will disband you and call you a nazi for liking a certain book.

I dont think there is a "good side". Just 2 bad options really. If your not consistently offending both sides, you have probably eaten some propaganda.

Right, it would make sense for people who have actually worked for him/know him personally to have  strong feelings about him, but comparing him to Pol Pot or some other genocidal maniac doesn't make much sense if you've never dealt with him before (and he's never killed a bunch of people, either). Also, I haven't seen him cater to the fringes of the far right, but there's a weird thing on the left right now that anyone who disagrees with them about anything is alt right or extreme alt right, or whatever. For example, some of your views (and mine) would get us labeled alt right by certain nutty people on the left.

Should we say the same about Hitler and Stalin and so on.
After all, I have never worked for them, or know them personally.

But yes, those vocal ones on the left are horrible, and I would say they are far worse and far more bigoted than those they claim to oppose.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 20, 2023, 02:00:06 PM

Right, it would make sense for people who have actually worked for him/know him personally to have  strong feelings about him, but comparing him to Pol Pot or some other genocidal maniac doesn't make much sense if you've never dealt with him before (and he's never killed a bunch of people, either). Also, I haven't seen him cater to the fringes of the far right, but there's a weird thing on the left right now that anyone who disagrees with them about anything is alt right or extreme alt right, or whatever. For example, some of your views (and mine) would get us labeled alt right by certain nutty people on the left.

Should we say the same about Hitler and Stalin and so on.
After all, I have never worked for them, or know them personally.

But yes, those vocal ones on the left are horrible, and I would say they are far worse and far more bigoted than those they claim to oppose.

The 'far left' and 'far right' have more in common than they would care to admit. Both are extremely intolerant, bigoted and hateful. As contemptuous as each other really

Quote from: JackBlack on February 21, 2023, 12:01:48 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on February 20, 2023, 02:00:06 PM

Right, it would make sense for people who have actually worked for him/know him personally to have  strong feelings about him, but comparing him to Pol Pot or some other genocidal maniac doesn't make much sense if you've never dealt with him before (and he's never killed a bunch of people, either). Also, I haven't seen him cater to the fringes of the far right, but there's a weird thing on the left right now that anyone who disagrees with them about anything is alt right or extreme alt right, or whatever. For example, some of your views (and mine) would get us labeled alt right by certain nutty people on the left.

Should we say the same about Hitler and Stalin and so on.
After all, I have never worked for them, or know them personally.

But yes, those vocal ones on the left are horrible, and I would say they are far worse and far more bigoted than those they claim to oppose.

The 'far left' and 'far right' have more in common than they would care to admit. Both are extremely intolerant, bigoted and hateful. As contemptuous as each other really

Without a doubt. It's. kinda like this...



Or maybe more like this...



Two sides of the same coin.

Wait, weren't Hitler and Stalin responsible for killing a bunch of people? lol

Yes. And Elon makes deranged posts on Twitter.

Basically the same thing give or take a few million corpses.

Quote from: Username on February 18, 2023, 01:21:21 PM

Quote from: Crouton on February 18, 2023, 09:57:14 AM

Been quiet at Twitter for a while but a few interesting stories have come up.

First the silly;

https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/14/23600358/elon-musk-tweets-algorithm-changes-twitter

I hesitate to even post this since it seems so ridiculous but as far as I can tell it's solid reporting.  I guess it doesn't actually matter too much if Elon wants to carve out an exception in their system which declares him to be the most popular user on Twitter automatically.  It is getting harder and harder to keep his face out of my twitter feed even though I have him blocked.

Then a more serious story;

https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7gmqx/tesla-buffalo-union-busting-shadowban-twitter

It would seem that talk of unionizing does not fall under the category of free speech at Twitter when it's at a Tesla factory.  This is part of a larger attempt to suppress unions at his companies.  My favorite part of the article:

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On Wednesday, the day after the union went public, Tesla fired more than 30 employees at the Buffalo facility, including a member of the organizing committee for the union.Tesla did not respond to a request for comment from VICE News, but did post a lengthy statement on the company’s website Thursday night saying the allegation was “false” and that the decision to fire those employees had been made prior to the announcement of the union campaign.

“We learned in hindsight that one out of the 27 impacted employees officially identified as part of the union campaign,” Tesla said. “This exercise pre-dated any union campaign.”

Just a total coincidence that they fired everyone involved in the campaign.

The only free speech that Elon Musk cares for is that which helps his evil aims to bring about the end of the world. I will never understand the dimwit class traitors that simp for this demon.

He wants to destroy this world and set himself up as a God for a bullshit dream to restart humanity on Mars. Except he's such a science illiterate dimwitted moron all his ideas would simply end humanity forever. I rate him as one of the worst humans to have existed along the likes of Trump, Putin, Mao and Xi

Well said. I'm just glad all this twitter drama is finally starting to show the spaceship simps his true intellect.

Well said. I'm just glad all this twitter drama is finally starting to show the spaceship simps his true intellect.

I was told twitter would crash and burn. When is that supposed to happen?

Quote from: Username on February 21, 2023, 10:20:03 AM

Well said. I'm just glad all this twitter drama is finally starting to show the spaceship simps his true intellect.

I was told twitter would crash and burn. When is that supposed to happen?

It already has.

No physically.  But spiritually it is completely in shambles.

It already has.

No physically.  But spiritually it is completely in shambles.

I have always used twitter for news on niche tech stuff. The place seems a lot better to me now. Less angry Americans and socialist that want to murder me.

Quote from: Crouton on February 23, 2023, 12:22:03 AM

It already has.

No physically.  But spiritually it is completely in shambles.

I have always used twitter for news on niche tech stuff. The place seems a lot better to me now. Less angry Americans and socialist that want to murder me.

I agree, it is way more interesting to read Twitter now. They still ban people for wrongthink sometimes, but they've allowed lots of accounts that were banned for bullshit reasons back.

Well, since I don't think the space program is real, and I think EVs are a waste of money and resources, the fact that a "conservative" does them, it doesn't personally matter to me that Biden hates him, I don't care about him either.

And btw, Twitter is not "spiritually dead" no matter how much lefties may scream that. What they really mean is that the toxic safespace echo chamber known as Twitter is dead. The actual Twitter company technically still works, and in fact, the stock appears to be rising, with it expected to go up to between 53.71 and 54.00. 



That said, I think Elon Musk will be broke for awhile as electric vehicles are and have always been a disaster. They lost out to gas cars nearly 100 years ago. This should tell you plenty. Musk is not doing well, Twitter is just fine.

Well, since I don't think the space program is real, and I think EVs are a waste of money and resources, the fact that a "conservative" does them, it doesn't personally matter to me that Biden hates him, I don't care about him either.

And btw, Twitter is not "spiritually dead" no matter how much lefties may scream that. What they really mean is that the toxic safespace echo chamber known as Twitter is dead. The actual Twitter company technically still works, and in fact, the stock appears to be rising, with it expected to go up to between 53.71 and 54.00. 



That said, I think Elon Musk will be broke for awhile as electric vehicles are and have always been a disaster. They lost out to gas cars nearly 100 years ago. This should tell you plenty. Musk is not doing well, Twitter is just fine.

Twitter will be fine until the next twitter comes a long. Twitter will probably end up the MySpace of social media when something replaces it.

And, apparently you have no idea why EV's were outstripped by ICEs 100+ years ago. But I wouldn't expect you to know or understand history. After all, you don't know about anything that you haven't experienced first-hand.

As for EVs and Musk...
Tesla reported record profits and record revenues for 2022, as the company heads into a new year facing a number of steep challenges.
Profit for the year hit $12.6 billion, more than doubling since 2021 and beating the expectations of most analysts.

Ford on the other hand...
Ford Motor said on Thursday that it lost $2.2 billion in 2022 as it wrote down the value of two big investments and struggled with high costs and supply chain problems.

Even bested GM...
GM reports nearly $10 billion in profit in 2022

As for musk himself. I think he's doing alright moneywise...

and in fact, the stock appears to be rising, with it expected to go up to between 53.71 and 54.00. 

OK, I'm calling troll.  Nobody can possibly be this stupid.

OK, I'm calling troll.  Nobody can possibly be this stupid.

No, they really are this stupid. Yes, they just said what the "listing price" for a private company was.

That said, I think Elon Musk will be broke for awhile as electric vehicles are and have always been a disaster. They lost out to gas cars nearly 100 years ago. This should tell you plenty.

Are you reading all the charts upside down?

He's been obsessed with singularity lately.





What was singularity?

Singularity

The proposition that everything is one and only. Accordingly, existence and non-existence, goodness and evil, and all other concepts derived from them or similar, are unique.This is not an easy subject and is likely to be misunderstood. So don't blame yourself if you don't understand, just try again.

According to this approach, I am neither me, nor you are you, nor you are me. Both you are you, I am me, and you are me .

The pioneer of this approach is Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi, who lived in Turkey 500 years ago. In his lines, he calls "Come again, whatever you are".

The subjects of panteism and panentheism related to this subject will be examined later. Since I do not want to go into the subject of religion for now, I want to leave the subject in the dimension of philosophy.

Plotinos, Bruno and Spinoza are known as the pioneers of pantheism, while the supporters of panentheism are known as Hegel, Mevlana and Muhyiddin Arabi. For detailed information, these people should be investigated.

Plurality

Legal Definition: 1. a condition or system in which two or more states, groups, principles, sources of authority, etc., coexist.
2. the practice of holding more than one ecclesiastical office at a time.

Real Definition

It is the situation of creating one of different ones that come from one and belong to one. Multiple ones combine to form one. In this context, the meaning of plurality is the opposite of the mathematical meaning.

In mathematics: 1+1+1+1... = plural.

In real sence: 1+1+1+1+... : 1 (Singularity)

In this context, plurality is a sub-branch of singularity and is derived from it.

For example:

I am me, you are you, and we are different individuals from each other. When we come together with straight mathematical logic, we become two people. In reality, we are part of a holistic concept of "humanity", and when we come together, regardless of how many we are, only one "humanity" is formed. For this reason, regardless of the number of living people, there is only one concept of people and includes all people. As for the very beginning of humanity, in the beginning there was only one man, and all descended from him. When we are reunited, we become one person again.

All we are both separate and independent individuals and at the same time the same thing as part of a whole.

People who do not understand the subject of singularity and plurality think that when we explain this subject in this way, we see superiority in ourselves and try to dictate it to other people. However, everyone who understands the subject well will understand that this is the upper consciousness, and if everyone reaches this consciousness, humanity will have achieved real development.

Earlier parts in the description, I warned: "It is possible to misunderstand this issue". In the example we saw, Elon Musk misunderstood Singularity. Singularity doesn't just mean you stay alone on the world. If we look at the last picture, we see that he uses Tesla and Neurolink. And thanks to this, one of his children's head is completely dark, while the other's head is demonized. It is possible to perceive the singularity as a totality that includes evil and darkness. However, there is no need to force people into evil and darkness as Elon did, and that is wrong. Because darkness, or non-existence, and at the same time evil are concepts that already exist. If you force it yourself, then evil and darkness will prevail. Does this damage the singularity? Of course no. But it is clear that it is detrimental to the good that is part of the singularity.

I wanted to know what this Twitter nonsense was about. Tried signing up, went through the steps, clicked on the submit button....

'we can't create your account at this time'

Broken arse POS platform lol

What was singularity?

In the context of this discussion, the point where AI has more processing power than a human, capable of learning as or better than humans do, so they can beat humans in any task requiring intelligence.

So nothing at all to do with what you were saying.

Supposed to reach the age of the singularity sometime in the 2040s,provided we don't destroy ourselves before then

Given the calibre of our current leaders, I for one will welcome our future AI overlords.