I researched how GPS works

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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #120 on: June 24, 2019, 09:55:36 PM »
The claim that GPS works everywhere belongs to you. then you have to prove you work in these places. otherwise, you must admit that you are not working in the ocean or in deserted places. technically this is so. again, these are not my claims.
I know that "GPS works everywhere" that I have tried to use it - in the desert, in mid-oceans in aircraft and on ships.
Nope, lie. Prove its working in everywhere. You can't. So give up childish claims.

Well, for example, airplanes are using it to broadcast their location. That's how such sites work:
https://www.flightradar24.com/51,-2/6
And you can easily confirm their accuracy by using AR app on your phone and watch the sky. I was using it many times to track our company airplane.
You can read more about the system here:
https://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works

I was playing with GPS long before there was any significant gsm system in Poland (using usb-connected gps). And it was working pretty good.
This is how today a GPS-chip looks like:
https://www.indiamart.com/proddetail/l80-gps-chip-10436045030.html
https://www.robotgear.com.au/Product.aspx/Details/769-66-Channel-LS20031-GPS-Receiver-Module-MT3339-Chipset

There are dozens of manufacturers of these, and you think they all just lie and are also paid by NASA, building GSM receivers and selling them as GPS receivers? And then dozens of cell system providers send GPS signals using their cell towers and also lie to everyone about this? And NASA pays them as well? And then also all of these amateurs who build home-made gps receivers:
http://www.aholme.co.uk/GPS/Main.htm
https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/homemade-gps-receiver/
are also paid by NASA?
You do understand, that to calculate the position you need to calculate your distance from each found satellites first? And how would they fake it?
You do realise that you can track them, and in case of good weather conditions even see them with your own eyes:
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/satellite-tracker-by-star-walk/id1248172706

Well, if i would be you, i would be afraid to open a refrigerator.

Besides - have you ever had a satellite tv? Where do you think are all these dashes pointed at? At balloons? Airplanes? It's really disturbing if you take into consideration that satellite tv was and still is available for everybody all around the globe as soon as the satellites were launched. You really think that someone built hundreds of radar stations over the night on the whole earth just to bring the tv to everybody?

Flight radar uses ground bases stations in coastal places, and uses estimation inner oceans.

Flightradar collects the data from ground stations, sure, but this data is sent from airplanes, collecting it first from GPS system.
You think all of these manufacturers around the world are just faking what are they really producing?


Besides, why cherry picking? Could you elaborate how satellite tv works? Ground stations?

They are not faking their products. How can you know sure whether they have placed their base stations to ground or space? You can not. it should be more expensive if the base station is in space.  based on this, they charge you more.

For starter, my Garmin Edge bike GPS works flawlessly in the middle of the forest and at the same time i'am having a hard time getting any reception of a cellular network. At the same time, it (Edge) looses the range while i am inside my garage, but i can still operate my smartphone without problems. I can record you some videos if you like.
It's pretty well observable with interiors - GPS (standalone GPSes, because smartphones do use BTS for some additional approximation) are very quickly loosing the reception inside any building, while phones are working flawlessly. These are clues, that the direction of radio waves is completely different for these devices.
I could also quote my friend, who is a pilot, how does it work, or my other friend, who builds ground BTS stations, but for sake clarity - what kind of clues / proofs do you have? Have you seen and investigated any of these alleged ground gps stations? Or you just believe they have to exist? Because with satellites it's easy - you have an app for these - sometimes you can watch them with your own eyes. You guys were all blind as starling was flying around?

Once again, how do you explain satellite tv? Or you just deny it exists?

And the cost - you are kidding right? Go and check how many base stations are needed to barely cover the small country. There are about 4 millions just for 4G network around the world (and just some land parts are covered)! And it takes like 27 (?) satellites to cover the whole globe with gps signal.
Do you check your claims, or you just throw arguments ad hoc, because your claims have no sense at all.
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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #121 on: June 25, 2019, 03:38:33 AM »
Kosmacs quote

At the same time, it (Edge)[gps] looses the range while i am inside my garage, but i can still operate my smartphone without problems



Oh woweee.
An actual repeatable test.
Try it out wise and report back.
Lets close this thread until then.

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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #122 on: June 26, 2019, 01:27:16 AM »
Kosmacs quote

At the same time, it (Edge)[gps] looses the range while i am inside my garage, but i can still operate my smartphone without problems



Oh woweee.
An actual repeatable test.
Try it out wise and report back.
Lets close this thread until then.
There are base stations in the basement of some buildings. this can happen if there is a base station in a nearby basement.
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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #123 on: June 26, 2019, 01:37:22 AM »
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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #124 on: June 26, 2019, 01:40:53 AM »
Kosmacs quote

At the same time, it (Edge)[gps] looses the range while i am inside my garage, but i can still operate my smartphone without problems



Oh woweee.
An actual repeatable test.
Try it out wise and report back.
Lets close this thread until then.
There are base stations in the basement of some buildings. this can happen if there is a base station in a nearby basement.
Not for GPS where 15 transmitters are typically seen.

Please provide a link to a company that sells GPS transmitters.
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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #125 on: June 26, 2019, 01:52:02 AM »
There are base stations in the basement of some buildings. this can happen if there is a base station in a nearby basement.
Why would anyone put GPS "base stations in the basement of some buildings"?
You clearly know nothing about radio signal propagation because the basement of a building would an extremely ineffective place for any transmitter.

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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #126 on: June 26, 2019, 02:10:55 AM »
Wait a second, do you believe, that magicians produce GPS chips? I provided you an example link with instructions about building home made GPS system without using any market avalilable gps chips:
http://www.aholme.co.uk/GPS/Main.htm
https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/homemade-gps-receiver/

I would really suggest to check it out. For you, it might be a magic, but there is a very detailed instruction about design and all the math (which is handled by raspberry pi instead of dedicated gps-chip.

Now, you claim, that the costs of satellites would be higher, but you don't bring any argument to support this claim.
I will do this for you.
Capex cost for 4G BTS station will be around 15.000 - 30.000 USD:
http://www.telecomhall.net/t/how-much-does-a-4g-lte-base-station-capex-and-opex-cost/4330

Let's say it's 15.000$ just to make your arguments more realistic.
We know, that there are about 4 milions of these worlwide and they cover only SOME parts of the land.

Well, using best numbers for you, this gives around 60 billions $ initial cost.

Now going quickly through theses pages, it looks like cost per gps satellite is like 550 mil.+ launch cost about 50 mil., so about 600 mil per satellite.
https://spacenews.com/40068us-air-force-orders-two-more-gps-3-satellites/

per 27 satellites, gives us around 16 billions $ initial cost.

And they operate worldwide.

So this number is nearly for times lower.

Now costs are funny.

According to this site:
http://nation.time.com/2012/05/21/how-much-does-gps-cost/

GPS cost about 750 mil. $ per annually.

Now, checking data for 4G from the same sites. It says around 1.000 $ per site + other costs i won't include just for you.
So, this is around 4 bilions $ annually. And this is not including the cost of the whole system, as it was for GPS.

You say, that the facts show something different, could provide them please?

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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #127 on: June 26, 2019, 02:29:04 AM »
Kosmacs quote

At the same time, it (Edge)[gps] looses the range while i am inside my garage, but i can still operate my smartphone without problems



Oh woweee.
An actual repeatable test.
Try it out wise and report back.
Lets close this thread until then.
There are base stations in the basement of some buildings. this can happen if there is a base station in a nearby basement.

Base station in a basement?! Do you really think that radio waves traverse trough the ground for hundrets meters?
And they are also installed under the forest?

Let's do this differently. Could you propose any sensible (not requiring testing something in the middle of the ocean) experiment i can do with the GPS to proove it works only with base stations built on the ground? Because burden of proof is on you, yet you provide nothing except claims. I can do the experiment, just propose something you will accept.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2019, 02:34:07 AM by kosmacz »

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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #128 on: June 26, 2019, 04:16:27 AM »
There are base stations in the basement of some buildings. this can happen if there is a base station in a nearby basement.
Why would anyone put GPS "base stations in the basement of some buildings"?
Ahahah!
GSM base stations are used instead of GPS stations. GSM stations and GPS stations are generally same thing. GSM stations of different brands serve as GPS for all phones.

You clearly know nothing about radio signal propagation because the basement of a building would an extremely ineffective place for any transmitter.
Nope. I know more than you about it. A station on the basement floor is only for service to the people in basement floor. If you still want to talk to your phone 20 meters below the ground and you have enough money, you will call your GSm company and they will install a small station in your basement. this is actually a small wireless network connection connected by cable. it is not very expensive. I know that because I had it made. they want 1 square meter of place in basement floor and some money. ;D
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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #129 on: June 26, 2019, 04:31:31 AM »
GSM stations and GPS stations are generally same thing.
No. They are vastly different with GPS "stations" being on satellites, with atomic clocks.

GSM stations of different brands serve as GPS for all phones.
Again, the arguments presented in this thread show that is not the case at all.
GPS and GSM networks have vastly different coverage.
You keep GPS coverage while indoors, but GPS coverage can easily be lost indoors.
Conversely there are areas with plenty of GPS coverage but no GSM coverage.

But more importantly, GPS satellites need to be where they say they are.
If they weren't you get massive errors in positioning. The only "satellites" that would be useful at all are the few that extremely rarely would line up with ground based transmitters faking them. That would make the entire network useless.

If you want to pretend GPS is being faked by ground based transmitters you need to deal with this massive problem.
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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #130 on: June 26, 2019, 04:48:06 AM »
There are base stations in the basement of some buildings. this can happen if there is a base station in a nearby basement.
Why would anyone put GPS "base stations in the basement of some buildings"?
Ahahah!
GSM base stations are used instead of GPS stations. GSM stations and GPS stations are generally same thing. GSM stations of different brands serve as GPS for all phones.

GPS operate in the same frequency band, but not in the same frequency. While Smartphones do use GSM stations (and WIFI) in addition to GPS data to provide better and faster positioning, they still have built-in GPS modules and GPS-chips (https://www.lifewire.com/iphone-gps-set-up-1683393). And GSM is a completely different standard and communication protocoll than GPS - so, this is not possible to use the same station to emit GPS and GSM signal, you need separate anntennas, some hardware (atomic clocks, which is base for calculations) and software
Most standalone GPS does not use GSM chips. That's why they don't work inside the interiors while cellular network is, and that's why they work in the middle of nowwhere (forest), while smartphone does not. Once again, i can provide you some videos.

I don't know, you claim, that some GSM stations emit GPS signals and some not?
But that's not what we observe. We observe, that GPS signal is available much more widely in open areas than GSM signal, very often available in difficult areas like mountains or forests, where there is no GSM reception. At the same time, GSM signal tends to penetrate buildings interiors much better than GPS signal (especially in cities).
That's extremely obvious if we accept, that gps is provided by the satellites, but it's ridiculous otherwise.
If they would install according to your claims (?) separate towers for GSM and GPS, then you have a lot of additional problems here. First, you would need to double the costs of all GSM towers in the world. This is huge. And GPS is provided without costs, so who would pay for all these GPS stations in Poland, Hungary, France, Russia (!)? NASA ?!
Then there is a next problem. Such huge investition requires a lot of technicians who are able to install and test these towers. I know personally few people who do this for GSM and they would all know this "secret", they would also need to be paid. That's an absurd and needs a proof.

So, what's really your theory about this?

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You clearly know nothing about radio signal propagation because the basement of a building would an extremely ineffective place for any transmitter.
Nope. I know more than you about it. A station on the basement floor is only for service to the people in basement floor. If you still want to talk to your phone 20 meters below the ground and you have enough money, you will call your GSm company and they will install a small station in your basement. this is actually a small wireless network connection connected by cable. it is not very expensive. I know that because I had it made. they want 1 square meter of place in basement floor and some money. ;D

That's called repeater, or amplifier. In Poland it's illegal to buy and install them by yourself, you have to prove that there is no reception, provider must check if there is not something wrong with their towers and then you could get a positive response, but they will deliver you their own device. We tried to get something like this few years ago, and we failed.
So, in Poland most buildings does not have something like this. Anyway, these are very small devices, and mostly capable to provide a range inside one building. The power is small, and the anntennas are also small. They are not capable to trasmit between many buildings in the area.

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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #131 on: June 26, 2019, 04:57:30 AM »
<childish talkings>
A GPS device hasen't a GSM card. Your GSM and devices percept all the waves. Your GPS device simple "pings" like internet ping to nearest three stations, get replies then determines its position depends on those stations. No need to anything else.
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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #132 on: June 26, 2019, 05:09:56 AM »
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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #133 on: June 26, 2019, 05:11:10 AM »
<childish talkings>
A GPS device hasen't a GSM card. Your GSM and devices percept all the waves. Your GPS device simple "pings" like internet ping to nearest three stations, get replies then determines its position depends on those stations. No need to anything else.

But this is a pure nonsense. If my GPS requires three nearby GSM stations to get the position, then any cell phone would work in this area HUNDRETS times better, however, that's not the case!

Do you have ANY single proof, that GSM stations transmit GPS signal? Because without proof, your words are worth nothing.

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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #134 on: June 26, 2019, 06:36:02 AM »
<childish talkings>
A GPS device hasen't a GSM card. Your GSM and devices percept all the waves. Your GPS device simple "pings" like internet ping to nearest three stations, get replies then determines its position depends on those stations. No need to anything else.

You have no idea how GPS works. This is hillarious. GPS does not send ANY data. NEVER. It's just a receiver. You can easily check it with radio detectors, but i doubt you'll want to, however, it would be easy method you could provide any proof for ypur claims.

And then you have next problem, GPS does not only provide the position, but also an altitude. How do you calculate it with ground GSM stations? Please, explain. If you claim, that GPSs contains some kind of pressure sensors, then get one and dismantle it!

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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #135 on: June 26, 2019, 02:38:49 PM »
A GPS device hasen't a GSM card.
That's right. This further shows they are fundamentally different.

Your GSM and devices percept all the waves.
Nope.
They ignore the vast majority of the waves, only perceiving those with the right frequency.

Your GPS device simple "pings" like internet ping to nearest three stations, get replies then determines its position depends on those stations.
Good job showing you have no idea what you are talking about.
That is nothing like how GPS works.
Again, there are open source receivers which allow one to verify how it works.
You lying about how it works will not help your case. It just shows you have no case.

A GPS device picks up signals from multiple satellites, where the signal encodes the time it was sent.
The GPS device then determines how long those signals travelled based upon that time to determine the distance to those satellites.
Then it does some maths based upon their position and a RE to determine its location.

Again, if GPS used GSM towers to get its position, the coverage of GPS devices and GSM devices would be the same. THEY ARE NOT!
Again, as the math involved in the GPS receivers (which you can verify yourself and I will make no attempt to help you here as you have you trust no one other than yourself) requires a RE with satellites, it would require and absolutely insane number of fake transmitters to fake satellites such that Earth would literally be covered in them.

You cannot fake the currently used GPS system using land based transmitters.

If you want to claim GPS is using land based transmitters, you will need to deal with the math which results in massive errors in position and explain how it can determine position so well.

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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #136 on: June 27, 2019, 12:53:21 AM »
This shows the use of both GPS and satellite communication:

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-26.1/centery:33.3/zoom:4

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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #137 on: June 27, 2019, 11:44:35 AM »
I just saw a post by tom foo and his journey.

Can anyone answer this.
If gps satelites give off an identifying code that shows their signature, and if wise is so smart he has deduced these are starionary towers, then woudlnt it be able to show that some sats/ sations are moving?
I mean somewhwre a nongeosync sat is up there pinging to various places that would exceed the range if it were indeed an Fe hoax stationary tower.

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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #138 on: June 27, 2019, 12:04:58 PM »
But this is a pure nonsense.
Nope. Your defining this fact does not magically make it nonsense but makes you ignorant an angry globulard.
That's right.
I everytime right, just you deny sometimes because of your benefit of money.
If my GPS requires three nearby GSM stations to get the position, then any cell phone would work in this area HUNDRETS times better, however, that's not the case!
You have talked a bit BS and agreed it by yourself. Are you okay?
This further shows they are fundamentally different.
Nope. It still uses it.
Do you have ANY single proof, that GSM stations transmit GPS signal? Because without proof, your words are worth nothing.
Logically they are so. Prove the opposite.
Nope.
Yes.
You have no idea how GPS works.
Lie. I have some useful ideas.
They ignore the vast majority of the waves, only perceiving those with the right frequency.
Nope. They get everything but does not continue the communicate. It is relevant with your money spent.
This is hillarious.
It is you are.
Good job showing you have no idea what you are talking about.
I think I show something else but anyways.
GPS does not send ANY data.
This does not change the result. three station still enough.
That is nothing like how GPS works.
NEVER.
Maybe. I am not in of them, and you are not too. Never say never.
Again, there are open source receivers which allow one to verify how it works.
Open source receivers can not be conclusive evidences. They are generally BS.
You lying about how it works will not help your case. It just shows you have no case.
You can call everybody liar because deny your BS but I am not a liar, but you are.
You can easily check it with radio detectors, but i doubt you'll want to, however, it would be easy method you could provide any proof for ypur claims.
Your claims have to be checkable by eveybody in any time.
A GPS device picks up signals from multiple land based stations, where the signal encodes the time it was sent.
I don't see anything wrong here.
And then you have next problem, GPS does not only provide the position, but also an altitude.
This is not a problem.
This shows the use of both GPS and satellite communication:
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-26.1/centery:33.3/zoom:4
Showing anything isn't a proof. I show you a writing here but it does not a proof, just a writing. Showing anything does not change its positions compared being a proof or a BS. Yours are generally BS, you show something but they are still BS.
How do you calculate it with ground GSM stations?
Ground based stations are not in same altitude. In a three dimentional world, three distance to three definitive point gives a point conclusive its position in a three dimentional world. Get it? Read a bit mathematic, you ignorant!
The GPS device then determines how long those signals travelled based upon that time to determine the distance to those land based stations.
As you see that changing your magical satellites to ground based stations do not change its meaning. This is reverse of what you do.
Please, explain.
I have already explained, read above.
Then it does some maths based upon their position and a RE to determine its location.
This is already what I proved above. It has calculate its position like this in a ground based system.
If you claim, that GPSs contains some kind of pressure sensors, then get one and dismantle it!
I guess I have proved how it works without any extra device. Your can not understand it is your own problem.
Again, if... <BS>
Again as ... <BS>
Again... <BS>

Repeating same BS' do not magically convert them to  some evidences. They are still some BS like everything about you are.
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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #139 on: June 27, 2019, 02:10:48 PM »
No, you are rarely correct. When you are it is typically just a tangent to the main topic.

So even though a GPS device doesn't have it, it still uses it?

Your ideas about how GPS works are completely useless as they do not address the major issue with it.

You choosing not to check something doesn't mean it isn't checkable by everyone.

You go and try and attack the small parts you can pretend you can deal with, but then when it gets to what strongly refutes your garbage, you just run from it, completely ignoring what has been said.

You ignoring these arguments just shows you have no case.

Again, if you wish to assert that GPS is being faked using land based systems you need to deal with the massive problems this creates. The fact that you would need an absolutely insane number of transmitters or end up with such large errors it isn't funny.

Again, just ignoring it and/or dismissing it as BS shows you have no case and that you KNOW GPS cannot be faked and is proof of a RE.

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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #140 on: July 02, 2019, 03:46:21 AM »
Your defining this fact does not magically make it nonsense but makes you ignorant an angry globulard.
That's right.
I everytime right, just you deny sometimes because of your benefit of money.
If my GPS requires three nearby GSM stations to get the position, then any cell phone would work in this area HUNDRETS times better, however, that's not the case!
You have talked a bit BS and agreed it by yourself. Are you okay?
This further shows they are fundamentally different.
Nope. It still uses it.
Do you have ANY single proof, that GSM stations transmit GPS signal? Because without proof, your words are worth nothing.
Logically they are so. Prove the opposite.
Nope.
Yes.
You have no idea how GPS works.
Lie. I have some useful ideas.
They ignore the vast majority of the waves, only perceiving those with the right frequency.
Nope. They get everything but does not continue the communicate. It is relevant with your money spent.
This is hillarious.
It is you are.
Good job showing you have no idea what you are talking about.
I think I show something else but anyways.
GPS does not send ANY data.
This does not change the result. three station still enough.
That is nothing like how GPS works.
NEVER.
Maybe. I am not in of them, and you are not too. Never say never.
Again, there are open source receivers which allow one to verify how it works.
Open source receivers can not be conclusive evidences. They are generally BS.
You lying about how it works will not help your case. It just shows you have no case.
You can call everybody liar because deny your BS but I am not a liar, but you are.
You can easily check it with radio detectors, but i doubt you'll want to, however, it would be easy method you could provide any proof for ypur claims.
Your claims have to be checkable by eveybody in any time.
A GPS device picks up signals from multiple land based stations, where the signal encodes the time it was sent.
I don't see anything wrong here.
And then you have next problem, GPS does not only provide the position, but also an altitude.
This is not a problem.
This shows the use of both GPS and satellite communication:
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-26.1/centery:33.3/zoom:4
Showing anything isn't a proof. I show you a writing here but it does not a proof, just a writing. Showing anything does not change its positions compared being a proof or a BS. Yours are generally BS, you show something but they are still BS.
How do you calculate it with ground GSM stations?
Ground based stations are not in same altitude. In a three dimentional world, three distance to three definitive point gives a point conclusive its position in a three dimentional world. Get it? Read a bit mathematic, you ignorant!
The GPS device then determines how long those signals travelled based upon that time to determine the distance to those land based stations.
As you see that changing your magical satellites to ground based stations do not change its meaning. This is reverse of what you do.
Please, explain.
I have already explained, read above.
Then it does some maths based upon their position and a RE to determine its location.
This is already what I proved above. It has calculate its position like this in a ground based system.
If you claim, that GPSs contains some kind of pressure sensors, then get one and dismantle it!
I guess I have proved how it works without any extra device. Your can not understand it is your own problem.
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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #141 on: July 05, 2019, 11:23:26 PM »
I didn't read all the comments so forgive me if this has been covered but: ground based GPS signals wojld also have to be strong enough to reach aircraft at flight altitude, while calculating speed, altitude, and (in some cases anyway) weather. There is a system called ForeFlight that handles all that. I use it in my aircraft. This would need to tie ground based signals (radar), and weather stations from all over to paint an accurate map. While we do have ground based weather stations, more accurate wide field weather comes from satellites in orbit. Ground based stations are good for a local area. For an aircraft in flight, this would mean every weather station would have to be tied together, the information compiled, sent to the aircraft along with triangulation for position using radar, and radio receivers. All in a moments notice, because its going to change quickly. That, or a few satellites parked overhead that can see every thing, do the same thing.

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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #142 on: July 10, 2019, 05:09:48 AM »
I didn't read all the comments so forgive me
No, we don't forgive you. Don't get too far off ground with your plane, maybe they've forgotten to put satellites up where you're going.
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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #143 on: July 10, 2019, 09:19:38 AM »
I didn't read all the comments so forgive me
No, we don't forgive you. Don't get too far off ground with your plane, maybe they've forgotten to put satellites up where you're going.
Again, the operation of GPS is well know, proven and documented.  Do you have any links to explain your ideas?

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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #144 on: July 10, 2019, 11:52:35 AM »
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GPS satellites travel at approximately 8,700 mph (14,000 km/h) with respect to Earth.
This means time runs 7,200 nanoseconds per day slower for a satellite relative to us
on Earth as described by Special Relativity.
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No. Satellites not in a geostationary orbit are traveling at 4.9 mps or  17,600 mph. If one traveled at you 8,700 mph the orbit would intersect with Earth's surface.
 
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Re: I researched how GPS works
« Reply #145 on: July 10, 2019, 02:24:29 PM »
No. Satellites not in a geostationary orbit are traveling at 4.9 mps or  17,600 mph. If one traveled at you 8,700 mph the orbit would intersect with Earth's surface.
No, satellites not in a geostationary orbit travel at a wide variety of speeds.
Geostationary satellites travel at roughly 11000 km/hr. Those in lower orbits travel faster. Those in higher orbits travel slower.
The ISS, at a mere 400 km travels at 27600 km/hr (or 17600 archaic units per hour).
But this orbit is quite close to Earth.
GPS satellites are much higher than the ISS and travel much slower.
They orbit at roughly 20 000 km, much closer to the 35 000 km of geostationary satellites than the 400 km of the ISS.
Doing a rough calculation, at that altitude, a circular orbit requires a velocity of roughly 14 000 km/hr.
So that checks out.