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To see that the earth is flat simply go to the ocean and take a look. See? It's flat!

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To see that the earth is flat simply go to the ocean and take a look. See? It's flat!

I like ultra creamy peanut butter!

You?

the earth is huge, that's why you can't see it

To see that the earth is flat simply go to the ocean and take a look. See? It's flat!

Sure doesn't look like it.
The horizon is far too close for Earth to be flat.

Quote from: Twerp on October 28, 2018, 02:03:14 PM

To see that the earth is flat simply go to the ocean and take a look. See? It's flat!

Sure doesn't look like it.
The horizon is far too close for Earth to be flat.

yeah

the earth is huge, that's why you can't see it

What idiocy!
I can easily see the earth, yet you claim "the earth is huge, that's why you can't see it"!
All I have to do to see a part of this huge earth is to look out the window.

To see that the earth is flat simply go to the ocean and take a look. See? It's flat!

And as Twerp says it's obviously flat, flat, flat! Look, here is a photo I took with a normal 50 mm lens:Looks perfectly flat to me!

Quote from: UltraCreamyAlex on October 28, 2018, 02:36:09 PM

the earth is huge, that's why you can't see it

What idiocy!
I can easily see the earth, yet you claim "the earth is huge, that's why you can't see it"!
All I have to do to see a part of this huge earth is to look out the window.

Quote from: Twerp on October 28, 2018, 02:03:14 PM

To see that the earth is flat simply go to the ocean and take a look. See? It's flat!

And as Twerp says it's obviously flat, flat, flat! Look, here is a photo I took with a normal 50 mm lens:

Scarborough Beacon 50 mm lens - higher res, cropped top and bottom.

Looks perfectly flat to me!

The Earth is 12.700 km in diameter there is a curve in your pic but its way to small to be noticed or even detected.
Also, how could a horizon on the earth model exist?

And I meant the curvature of the horizon with *You can't see it*

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The Earth is 12.700 km in diameter there is a curve in your pic but its way to small to be noticed or even detected.
Also, how could a horizon on the earth model exist?

Please explain in detail, if you can, how it would look much different.

And I meant the curvature of the horizon with *You can't see it*

Please explain in detail, if you can, how it would look much different.

The horizon is nice and sharp, clearly an edge.
If Earth was flat there shouldn't be this nice clear edge. Instead you should be able to see much further, seeing the shore on the other side.
Contrary to popular belief, the atmosphere wouldn't be a problem as without gravity there is nothing to hold it to Earth and keep it pressurised so it would have just flown away or spilled over the edge. If you magically contain it, then the air would scatter the light resulting in a blur instead of a nice clear horizon.

Quote from: rabinoz on October 29, 2018, 05:58:21 AM

Please explain in detail, if you can, how it would look much different.

The horizon is nice and sharp, clearly an edge.
If Earth was flat there shouldn't be this nice clear edge.

Really? Have you ever even tried to calculate how thick that "non-clear edge" might be?
According that "Metabunk Earth's Curve Horizon, Bulge, Drop, and Hidden Calculator", much favoured by globularists,
                   from 2 m elevation the horizon on the ball would be only 0.04° below eye-level! That wouldn't show in a photo like I showed.

Instead you should be able to see much further, seeing the shore on the other side.

But even in the clearest air (and where do we ever get "the clearest air" with all the pollution these days?) there is a finite limit to visibility.

Contrary to popular belief, the atmosphere wouldn't be a problem as without gravity there is nothing to hold it to Earth and keep it pressurised so it would have just flown away or spilled over the edge. If you magically contain it, then the air would scatter the light resulting in a blur instead of a nice clear horizon.

But, my point above is that this "blur instead of a nice clear horizon" would really be too narrow to show on the photo that I showed.

So just how would the horizon differ?

PS: Imagine nice big tall fluffy clouds that can be dark underneath disappearing into the horizon. So we see the dark underside or the white sides of those on the horizon?
      Maybe there's a clue there?
     The dyed-in-the-wool flat-earther, Phuket Word can always be relied on the provide very good evidence:      We would see the dark undersides of clouds past the horizon were the earth flat - but we do not, we see the sides! Sorry I could not get better photos.

But, my point above is that this "blur instead of a nice clear horizon" would really be too narrow to show on the photo that I showed.

You assume it would only extend downwards. Why would that be the case?

Regardless, the is only one picture out of many. There are plenty much more zoomed in pictures, which still show a clear horizon, with no blurring.

Quote from: rabinoz on October 29, 2018, 03:00:39 PM

But, my point above is that this "blur instead of a nice clear horizon" would really be too narrow to show on the photo that I showed.

You assume it would only extend downwards. Why would that be the case?

That was my whole point with Flatardian Phuket Word providing good evidence for the Globe in his:

Regardless, the is only one picture out of many. There are plenty much more zoomed in pictures, which still show a clear horizon, with no blurring.

So you claim "still show a clear horizon, with no blurring?" Look at:That looks pretty blurred . There are enough photos out there to prove anything.

So you claim "still show a clear horizon, with no blurring?"
That looks pretty blurred . There are enough photos out there to prove anything.

The issue is what to expect for each model.
For a FE, there should never be a clear horizon, unless you have very poor angular resolution. For a RE, you would expect a blurred horizon in some conditions.

Quote from: rabinoz on October 29, 2018, 05:35:20 PM

So you claim "still show a clear horizon, with no blurring?"
That looks pretty blurred . There are enough photos out there to prove anything.

The issue is what to expect for each model.
For a FE, there should never be a clear horizon,

But read what you wrote again:

If you magically contain it, then the air would scatter the light resulting in a blur instead of a nice clear horizon.

The air is obviously contained, presumably by the Dome, aetheric whirlpools or something and you say, "the air would scatter the light resulting in a blur instead of a nice clear horizon".

unless you have very poor angular resolution. For a RE, you would expect a blurred horizon in some conditions.

So would the horizon on a clear day really be much different?

But those clouds I mentioned might be a way to see a real difference:

• At the horizon on a hypothetical flat earth we word see the dark underside of the clouds forming a grey band but
• on the Globe the cumulus cloudbase is typically 1000 m high so would touch the horizon about 100 km away and we would only see the white sides of any clouds further away.
  A bit like:

  Blue sky and white clouds above the dry field in summer.

That's my take on flat earth horizons and the answer to any like Gotham who say that we can't see fat enough to see the other side is sunset photos.An obvious question is "If the earth is flat why can't we see the far shore and mountains behind even if only silhouetted by the sun?"
Maybe the earth really is a Globe.
       
       
       

Quote from: Twerp on October 28, 2018, 02:03:14 PM

To see that the earth is flat simply go to the ocean and take a look. See? It's flat!

Sure doesn't look like it.
The horizon is far too close for Earth to be flat.

That's a mirage.

Quote from: JackBlack on October 28, 2018, 02:48:47 PM

Quote from: Twerp on October 28, 2018, 02:03:14 PM

To see that the earth is flat simply go to the ocean and take a look. See? It's flat!

Sure doesn't look like it.
The horizon is far too close for Earth to be flat.

That's a mirage.

Exactly what is a mirage? Please explain.