This theroy is directly contradictory to well known facts

Ikos completely just f*cking destroyed the Flat Earth theory.  I'm sorry, in a scientific community you can't just say "umm the stars are uhh a few thousand miles up so it's ok." nah, you don't do that. this community is a joke.  Science is replaced by speculation and speculation, if logical, is assumed to be fact by Flat Earth people.

I cannot count how many times I have heard people say "Einstein is on the FE side."  and I have never once seen a single mathematical equation or explanation of how relativity somehow proves a flat earth.  There are scientists (ya know, the real ones who do math and what is known as science) who know einstein's theories back in forth, doing post-PhD research at institutions such as the one I attend.  Don't you think they might have caught onto this by now?

You all are a complete joke, Ikos proposed an outstandingly pithy and powerful manifesto against the "FE dream" (it's not going to be called a theory b/c well there's no evidence), and people tried to combat him with little one-liner responses to only a couple of his points.  I would love to pass this site on to a few physics professors of mine and if any one of them shows interest in this pitiful excuse of a pseudo-scientific community then they will elaborate on Ikos' points with what we call "math" you know, it's what REAL physicists use, and you will be helpless.  For the time being, the lack of ability to respond coherently to Ikos is very telling.

This debate is over, get the f*ck back to your daily lives because you all obviously cannot contend with the scientific community.

They haven’t disproved us, yet. So why should we stop proving ourselves correct? Did not the great philosophers of Greece speculate? Did they not think? Are you telling us to stop thinking, therefore becoming mindless automatons that follow everything the government says, who would go to Iran and bomb the place thus starting a Third World War?

The disadvantages of us not speculating and challenging “fact” far outweigh the reasons why we shouldn’t. If we were wrong, you just have to prove so. A credible source would do, directly refuting that the Earth is Flat. We disproved that the Earth is Round, so you must also then come up with an alternate theory.

Have fun!

I cannot count how many times I have heard people say "Einstein is on the FE side."  and I have never once seen a single mathematical equation or explanation of how relativity somehow proves a flat earth.

We never said they did.  We simply say the FE is well within the bounds of Relativity.  It is used as a counter to the regular RE objection to the model, "If the earth constantly accelerated, we would break the speed of light." and "Acceleration and gravity are not the same."
To which we can point to the theories and equations of relativity and say, "Orly?"

They haven’t disproved us, yet. So why should we stop proving ourselves correct? Did not the great philosophers of Greece speculate? Did they not think? Are you telling us to stop thinking, therefore becoming mindless automatons that follow everything the government says, who would go to Iran and bomb the place thus starting a Third World War?

The disadvantages of us not speculating and challenging “fact” far outweigh the reasons why we shouldn’t. If we were wrong, you just have to prove so. A credible source would do, directly refuting that the Earth is Flat. We disproved that the Earth is Round, so you must also then come up with an alternate theory.

Have fun!

Sorry for parting inwards, but you haven't actually "proven" anything. To prove is to show something that is by no argument "fact". It is indisputable and cannot be counter-balanced with other theories or ideas. You have not disproven the "theory" that the Earth is spheric. All you have done is give supportive theories that show that your concept of the Earth is possible, if not probable.

And a side note: What the hell is this that I am reading about a huge spotlight being the moon? How does that measure in with anything at all?

They haven’t disproved us, yet. So why should we stop proving ourselves correct? Did not the great philosophers of Greece speculate? Did they not think? Are you telling us to stop thinking, therefore becoming mindless automatons that follow everything the government says, who would go to Iran and bomb the place thus starting a Third World War?

The disadvantages of us not speculating and challenging “fact” far outweigh the reasons why we shouldn’t. If we were wrong, you just have to prove so. A credible source would do, directly refuting that the Earth is Flat. We disproved that the Earth is Round, so you must also then come up with an alternate theory.

Have fun!

Sorry my little soft headed friend but that is total bullcrap.

Ikos completely just f*cking destroyed the Flat Earth theory.  I'm sorry, in a scientific community you can't just say "umm the stars are uhh a few thousand miles up so it's ok." nah, you don't do that. this community is a joke.  Science is replaced by speculation and speculation, if logical, is assumed to be fact by Flat Earth people.

I cannot count how many times I have heard people say "Einstein is on the FE side."  and I have never once seen a single mathematical equation or explanation of how relativity somehow proves a flat earth.  There are scientists (ya know, the real ones who do math and what is known as science) who know einstein's theories back in forth, doing post-PhD research at institutions such as the one I attend.  Don't you think they might have caught onto this by now?

You all are a complete joke, Ikos proposed an outstandingly pithy and powerful manifesto against the "FE dream" (it's not going to be called a theory b/c well there's no evidence), and people tried to combat him with little one-liner responses to only a couple of his points.  I would love to pass this site on to a few physics professors of mine and if any one of them shows interest in this pitiful excuse of a pseudo-scientific community then they will elaborate on Ikos' points with what we call "math" you know, it's what REAL physicists use, and you will be helpless.  For the time being, the lack of ability to respond coherently to Ikos is very telling.

This debate is over, get the f*ck back to your daily lives because you all obviously cannot contend with the scientific community.

hahaha...well said.  Unfortunately, as you can see from the posts following yours, the FE'ers are a bunch of world class morons who are arguing just to argue.   Now i'm really interested to see if any of your physics professors come here with the real shizznat...mathematical formulas and such.   It will be interesting to see if good old MrEngineer can even formulate an intelligent response....history would say no...but hey, anything can happen

They haven’t disproved us, yet. So why should we stop proving ourselves correct? Did not the great philosophers of Greece speculate

Hippocrates and Aristotle believed in the four humours theory. So I ask you, when you go to the doctor, does he remove "bad" blood from you?

And while we're on the topic of Greek philosophers, they were pretty much divided on the issue of the Earth's shape. Read up on Thales, and Anaximander.

And while we're on the topic of Greek philosophers, they were pretty much divided on the issue of the Earth's shape. Read up on Thales, and Anaximander.

So, there were a lot of people century's ago who believed that the earth was flat, and I should read up on this because those guys are going to completely trump every step that science has made?

Idiot

So, there were a lot of people century's ago who believed that the earth was flat, and I should read up on this because those guys are going to completely trump every step that science has made?

Idiot

My post was in direct contradiction to the post stating that Aristotle's Globularism (inherited from his mentor Plato) was somehow good evidence for the Round Earth.

And while we're on the topic of Greek philosophers, they were pretty much divided on the issue of the Earth's shape. Read up on Thales, and Anaximander.

Why rely on Greek philosophers to tell us the shape of the Earth, when others proved its shape later?

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So, there were a lot of people century's ago who believed that the earth was flat, and I should read up on this because those guys are going to completely trump every step that science has made?

Idiot

My post was in direct contradiction to the post stating that Aristotle's Globularism (inherited from his mentor Plato) was somehow good evidence for the Round Earth.

All of which is skating over the fact that science has proven again and again in multiple ways that the earth is round.   Don't bother asking me to show you proof.   If you don't have the intelligence to look at all the evidence out there, then it's pointless for me to show you.

Hmm, some interesting stuff here. After I read a few more posts and the FAQ, I might actually participate in these debates.

They haven’t disproved us, yet. So why should we stop proving ourselves correct? Did not the great philosophers of Greece speculate? Did they not think? Are you telling us to stop thinking, therefore becoming mindless automatons that follow everything the government says, who would go to Iran and bomb the place thus starting a Third World War?

The disadvantages of us not speculating and challenging “fact” far outweigh the reasons why we shouldn’t. If we were wrong, you just have to prove so. A credible source would do, directly refuting that the Earth is Flat. We disproved that the Earth is Round, so you must also then come up with an alternate theory.

No need to tell you to stop thinking..you've already done that.  

Your little reference to what you may consider a great current tie (WWIII)  in to your whining was hopelessly pathetic.  

The first sentence of your second paragraph looks like a list of words that you think you know arranged so that you might sound intelligent.   That didn't work, but mad props on butchering the English language yet again.

A credible source would be any noted scientific organization.  A space agency in any country would be a good place to start but, of course, that's where you give your completely unverifiable government conspiracy theory.   I think the point that this site is trying to make is that you can argue any point as long as you make up the rules as you go.   That is just pathetic.

Prove the government can't have faked the images from these telescopes and you'll have a point.

You are retarded man. You can build your own radio telescope. Then you would have nothing to argur about, becuase you are a complete idiot. Build one. Then you will see, you retard.

It will be interesting to see if good old MrEngineer can even formulate an intelligent response....history would say no...but hey, anything can happen

Response to what?

Don't bother asking me to show you proof.   If you don't have the intelligence to look at all the evidence out there, then it's pointless for me to show you.

So in other words, if I don't agree with you then I am wrong?

Why rely on Greek philosophers to tell us the shape of the Earth, when others proved its shape later?

The poster to whom I responded implied that the alleged globularism of Plato somehow galvanized the Round Earth Theory, and I was purely pointing out other eminent Greeks who thought otherwise. I am well aware that the seminal works of Rowbotham, Shenton and so on far exceed in quality those of Thales and Anaximander.

The poster to whom I responded implied that the alleged globularism of Plato somehow galvanized the Round Earth Theory, and I was purely pointing out other eminent Greeks who thought otherwise. I am well aware that the seminal works of Rowbotham, Shenton and so on far exceed in quality those of Thales and Anaximander.

Their works are hardly quality themselves.