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Ikos

This theroy is directly contradictory to well known facts
« on: January 04, 2007, 08:52:29 PM »
In truth, there is absolutely nothing to contradict your theories (assuming that there is an equal chance that every fact you base your theories upon is false or true). However, there is a lot of scientific fact you are opposing. Everyone in the entire world agrees that the Earth is round, with the exception of this society. The thought that the Earth is flat has been diminishing in popularity since the Greeks first figured out the Earth was round. Here are some points why I feel this website is directly contradictory to science:

1. If the Earth was the shape you say, than all astrophysics would be wrong. This is because on Antarctica you can not see the northern stars, but only the southern stars are seen. If the Earth is mostly flat, than the rate of curvature in the night sky would be directly contradictory to the rate of curvature of the Earth. In fact, if we are to keep modern physics in place, the universe would have to End at this "Ice Wall" you speak of, to keep the ratios of curvature correct. But then how would we travel at the correct speed to generate 1g of force on us? If the universe ended behind us, then I think point #2 would be greatly emphisized.

2. If the universe ended behind us, and the entire thing moved at our speed, that would be an amazing thing indeed. In fact, if I was the creator of a religious foundation intent on proving that the Earth is a world created by a God and that we are special, what better way to prove it if all time and space end right at our backyard? Why would they hide this from us if no better proof could be found? And don't reply it was the government, all powerful governments back then were controlled by the church!

3. Let's assume that modern physics are wrong, and the curvature ratios are very different than we think (assuming the universe continues below us). If so, they physics since the Newtonian Era are completely obsolete. I find this rather odd, because hundreds of years of physics are opposing your theory.

4. Do you know we have warped space ourselves? Yes, it can be done, and has been done with extremely powerful lasers reflecting in a certain spatial distortion pattern. Not only can we measure the space warped, but the time warped also. Since we all agree that we go through time at the same speed, we can all agree that the scientists must be correct on this. Contradicting this time argument is like arguing that humans don't have heads- the statement is impossible to back up with information, because the notion itself is impossible. And if space and time are interlinked, as E=mc2 shows us (don't even try to prove this wrong, go to collage and learn what h-bar means before telling me I don't understand the standard model), then all statements that our spatial (space-related) physics are incorrect is incorrect itself. If a=b, and everyone can agree what a equals, then why argue upon what b equals? The notion itself is contradicting, misleading, and overall uninformative.

5. In almost any collage, you can find seismographs. These machienes measure the time that seismic waves arrive at them. However, seismic waves curve down through the mantle, outer core, and inner core, and this can be seen by looking at seismographs across the world. Saying the world is flat is saying that the calculations that these waves travel through the rock are wrong, but how can they be if only ignorant science majors use them, and not the government?

Overall, I really do feel this site is a contrition to itself. I highly doubt that any of you have master degree level training in any physics, and therefore have little fact to back up your theories. Can you tell me why moving through space simulates gravity? Or why the Earth warps space like a sphere? (this is seen on radio telescopes). Sure, you could always turn to the brainwashing excuse, but that is nothing more than an excuse. I can tell you that chicken tastes like broccoli because the government brainwashes everyone after eating chicken with the same legitimacy as your statements. To me, Nab=diag(1, -1, -1, -1), and your theory doesn't have much believable content. Well, off to eat chicken; or do I mean Broccoli?

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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2007, 08:56:47 PM »
Brilliant. You know precisely what you are speaking of.
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2007, 09:20:11 PM »
Well done. Precise and to the point.

But I wouldn't expect any serious attempt to refute it.
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2007, 09:22:29 PM »
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The thought that the Earth is flat has been diminishing in popularity since the Greeks first figured out the Earth was round.[/i]

The Greeks weren't the first to that conclusion.

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This is because on Antarctica you can not see the northern stars, but only the southern stars are seen.


The stars aren't actually very far up- only a few thousand miles- so moving halfway across the Earth would easily result in seeing a whole different set of stars.

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3. Let's assume that modern physics are wrong, and the curvature ratios are very different than we think (assuming the universe continues below us). If so, they physics since the Newtonian Era are completely obsolete. I find this rather odd, because hundreds of years of physics are opposing your theory.


The Flat-Earth theory is completely consistent with relativistic physics. I'm failing to understand what you mean by 'curvature ratios'.

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Since we all agree that we go through time at the same speed, we can all agree that the scientists must be correct on this.


That isn't correct, time passes differently for different observers. This is a direct consequence of the theory of relativity.

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Contradicting this time argument is like arguing that humans don't have heads- the statement is impossible to back up with information, because the notion itself is impossible. And if space and time are interlinked, as E=mc2 shows us (don't even try to prove this wrong, go to collage and learn what h-bar means before telling me I don't understand the standard model), then all statements that our spatial (space-related) physics are incorrect is incorrect itself. If a=b, and everyone can agree what a equals, then why argue upon what b equals? The notion itself is contradicting, misleading, and overall uninformative.


This is meaningless nonsense dressed up with scientific-sounding words.

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Overall, I really do feel this site is a contrition to itself. I highly doubt that any of you have master degree level training in any physics, and therefore have little fact to back up your theories.


Believe it or not, the user with the handle TheEngineer is actually an engineer, and thus does have quite extensive knowledge of physics. Others such as Erasmus are also extremely knowledgeable. But it does not even pose a challenge to my undergraduate knowledge of physics to refute your statements.

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Can you tell me why moving through space simulates gravity?


Because according to relativity, and specifically Einstein's Equivalence Principle, the effects of acceleration and a gravitational field are locally indistinguishable. It's not about moving through space, it's about accelerating through space. Being such an expert on physics, this should be obvious to you.

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Or why the Earth warps space like a sphere? (this is seen on radio telescopes).


Prove the government can't have faked the images from these telescopes and you'll have a point.
 
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Sure, you could always turn to the brainwashing excuse, but that is nothing more than an excuse.


It has nothing to do with brainwashing. The government doesn't have to brainwash anyone because there are almost no experiments the average person can do to check whether or not the Earth is round.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2007, 09:25:47 PM »
Wriggling my way past your ignorant statements and blatantly obvious facts combined with idiocy, I ask you this, Dysfunction: Precisely what would the government benefit from "faking" the existence of a spheric Earth.
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2007, 09:30:45 PM »
Money. Power. And I'm glad you think the facts I used are 'blatantly obvious', but apparently Ikos does not, else he would have realized his post is contradictory to them.[/sarcasm]

Seriously, though, if you think anything I said was incorrect or contradictory to scientific fact, hadn't you better show me exactly why I'm wrong, rather than baselessly asserting such? Put up or shut up.
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2007, 09:30:53 PM »
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The stars aren't actually very far up- only a few thousand miles- so moving halfway across the Earth would easily result in seeing a whole different set of stars.


How exactly did you determine that stars were a thousand miles from us?
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2007, 09:33:16 PM »
I didn't, but it's logically consistent with the FE model and is a useful explanatory hypothesis. If you have an issue with that, why don't you tell me how exactly scientists 'discovered' that 90% of the universe is dark matter. No one actually discovered it, but it's logically consistent with relativity and serves as a useful hypothesis.
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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2007, 09:34:37 PM »
Now, before we get into an argument based around physics and scientific facts, which I clearly do not have much knowledge in the field of; let us discuss the concept of this "money" and "power" consumption that is based on this supposed "conspiracy". First of all, what round-earth related funds would the government receive from the population? Secondly, what kind of power does this "conspiracy" actually give them? How?
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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2007, 09:38:32 PM »
I don't know the details. I'm not in on the conspiracy. I don't have an inside source. All we know is that the fact the Earth is flat logically necessitates the presence of a worldwide conspiracy to cover up that fact. If you want to try to prove the Earth is not flat, go right ahead, but if you can't, we will continue to conclude that the Earth is flat, and thus, there is a conspiracy.
But if you don't have much knowledge in the field of physics, why did you dispute my rebuttal to Ikos' statements about physics?
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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2007, 09:41:39 PM »
You have contradicted yourself, my friend. A paradox indeed. Unless, of course, by "we" you meant the FE'ers. If you meant everyone, then I will proceed to state that if you can't prove that the Earth is flat, then you can't say that we shall all presume so anyways.
And I disputed your "rebuttal" because I like to dispute, and your dispute was based on assumption-mixed facts.
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2007, 09:47:06 PM »
I didn't say we should all presume so anyways. I'm not telling you what to believe. But the burden of proof is on those making a positive claim. The Earth is apparently flat. Therefore if you wish me to believe it is round, you must prove it. I do not have to prove the Earth is flat.
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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2007, 09:50:02 PM »
True. You can believe it all you want. I'm also sure that despite evidence, you will not sway your opinion after being so deeply engaged in the subject. I've noticed amongst the majority of people that they often do not change their opinion based on more facts received from the other end of the argument, because they believe it would lead them to embarressment and maybe feel a little regret for thinking the opposite in the first place. Now, take in mind, that this it the majority population and that I hope you do not fall under this category. Oh, but I should say that the majority people that I talk to. I guess I can't speak for 7 billion other people.
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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2007, 09:56:55 PM »
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I didn't, but it's logically consistent with the FE model and is a useful explanatory hypothesis. If you have an issue with that, why don't you tell me how exactly scientists 'discovered' that 90% of the universe is dark matter. No one actually discovered it, but it's logically consistent with relativity and serves as a useful hypothesis.


Actually, if you look it up, you will see how they came to that conclusion. It has to do with the speed at wich galaxies move away from each other, the details are complicated and it's far from an accepted fact.

But the fact is, the process through which they reached that conclusion is not hidden, it's there and avaiable. In FE , convenience is the only reason that that notion exists. Plus, it's one thousand miles, which is an exact number, Dark matter is only an approximation.
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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2007, 10:33:25 PM »
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Actually, if you look it up,


I have looked it up, I am quite familiar with the subject actually.

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you will see how they came to that conclusion. It has to do with the speed at wich galaxies move away from each other, the details are complicated and it's far from an accepted fact.


Dark matter has nothing to do with the speed at which galaxies move away from each other, you are confusing it with dark energy, which is a different concept. Dark matter was inferred when it was found that spiral galaxies rotate about their centers faster than is predicted by the theory of relativity based on how much mass they are thought to contain. It could as easily be that relativity is wrong, but instead cosmologists interpreted this data within the framework of relativity and inferred that these galaxies contained much more mass than was observed. Likewise, we interpret facts within the framework of the FE model even though we have no real way to distinguish whether our interpretation of the data is correct or our model is wrong.

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But the fact is, the process through which they reached that conclusion is not hidden, it's there and avaiable. In FE , convenience is the only reason that that notion exists.


Likewise for dark matter. It could as easily be that relativity is wrong and dark matter doesn't exist, but cosmologists invented dark matter because it is inconvenient to abandon relativity.

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Plus, it's one thousand miles, which is an exact number, Dark matter is only an approximation.


The 'several thousand miles' figure is an approximation as well.
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Ikos

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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2007, 02:10:45 PM »
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The Greeks weren't the first to that conclusion.


That is nearly irrelevant to my argument

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The stars aren't actually very far up- only a few thousand miles- so moving halfway across the Earth would easily result in seeing a whole different set of stars.


Before I answer this, I hope we all agree at the speed that light travels. (about 300,000 km/s) If we can agree that light travels this fast, and we agree on the equations that show how much matter warps the paths of energy, than it is easy for any astronomer to prove that the stars are billions of kilometers away from us. All you need is a star in the path of another stars light. When the light bends around the eclipsing star, you can clearly see how fast it goes when it bends. This can be done with a high powered telescope, the kind open to interns and researchers on the mountains of Hawaii. If you need anymore reason to believe me, go see for yourself.

How does this show how far away stars are? Well, lets say you are looking dead-on at a piece of string with no depth perception. It is impossible to see how far it goes. But once the string curves, then it is defiantly possible to see the length of the string from where it has curved.

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The Flat-Earth theory is completely consistent with relativistic physics. I'm failing to understand what you mean by 'curvature ratios'.


Let us imagine that the Earth is round. If we look around the Earth, there is a sphere of stars that we may observe. Therefore, the curvature ratio is 1:1 because both spheres line up perfectly.

Now, let us imagine the Earth is relatively flat. If we could see the same range of stars as the sphere, than something is wrong. We should only be allowed to see approximately 1/2 the total stars in this sphere. Therefore, the ratio is approximately 1:2. This is completely contradictory to modern physics, because the warped space is apparently warped by an almost insane amount-all the light on the back of the Earth would have to reach the front, or side we live on.

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Since we all agree that we go through time at the same speed, we can all agree that the scientists must be correct on this.


Wrong. Time doesn't pass differently, you travel through it differently. Ot be exact, if you are moving at 0 kph, and then 100 kph, it can be said that you are still moving at the same rate. Similarly, all people must experience time at the same speed, while everyone else will appear to move differently. It is others passage that changes, not yours (unless you wish to assume it is yours, in which case the same answers appear).



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This is meaningless nonsense dressed up with scientific-sounding words.


How is it meaningless? It is no less meaningless than your theory that the Earth is flat.

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Believe it or not, the user with the handle TheEngineer is actually an engineer, and thus does have quite extensive knowledge of physics. Others such as Erasmus are also extremely knowledgeable. But it does not even pose a challenge to my undergraduate knowledge of physics to refute your statements.


Obviously this is a conspiracy :D

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Can you tell me why moving through space simulates gravity?


Because according to relativity, and specifically Einstein's Equivalence Principle, the effects of acceleration and a gravitational field are locally indistinguishable. It's not about moving through space, it's about accelerating through space. Being such an expert on physics, this should be obvious to you.

I was testing your knowledge, however this information is locally available and you could of easily looked it up on wikipedia. It really doesn't prove much, I was just asking to see your retaliation on the subject.

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Prove the government can't have faked the images from these telescopes and you'll have a point.

 
Prove that the theroy that the Earth is flat can't of been faked and you'll have a point- wait, according to your site it is impossible to do so. I would easily attack your website now, but I wish to have a debate, not a argument to prove points.

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It has nothing to do with brainwashing. The government doesn't have to brainwash anyone because there are almost no experiments the average person can do to check whether or not the Earth is round.


Are you saying that a person with moderate sailing experience, an ice barge, and field equipment can't travel beyond this Ice Wall you speak of? Its not a very hard thing to do. You just have to come to the edge of the ice wall, and you can fall off.

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I didn't say we should all presume so anyways. I'm not telling you what to believe. But the burden of proof is on those making a positive claim. The Earth is apparently flat. Therefore if you wish me to believe it is round, you must prove it. I do not have to prove the Earth is flat.


Please, tell me how it is apparent the Earth is flat. In fact, I'll start a little experiment starting of now. I will ask everybody is the Earth is flat or round, and if it is apparent to them if it is flat or round. I'll have results by Tuesday.

Really, most of your facts are once again excuses. Please direct me to a link to explain these power and money theories you speak of, or better yet, type them yourself. I would be interested to hear them. And saying it is apparent that the Earth is flat by looking at it is like me looking at a sphere with no depth and concluding it is round. I have used no thought, just pure observation, to come to an conclusion. It is apparent in evolution that any being that does this is inferior to those that imply thought in every observation they make. And evolution through natural selection has proven to be the best teller of the truth than anything else.

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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2007, 02:40:04 PM »
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I was testing your knowledge, however this information is locally available and you could of easily looked it up on wikipedia.

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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2007, 02:42:20 PM »
My thoughts exactly.

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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2007, 03:43:43 PM »
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I didn't say we should all presume so anyways. I'm not telling you what to believe. But the burden of proof is on those making a positive claim. The Earth is apparently flat. Therefore if you wish me to believe it is round, you must prove it. I do not have to prove the Earth is flat.


Ok, NASA has proved that the earth is round through many manned missions into space.  Oh, wait...that's just a government conspiracy.  You can visually see the curvature of the earth...just an optical illusion.   The mass of the earth is the reason for gravity...nope, that would be perpetual upward acceleration.  You can't change the rules to make your theory work.
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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2007, 04:06:03 PM »
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The Greeks weren't the first to that conclusion.

then who was?  you can't say something like that is fact without backing it up.

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The stars aren't actually very far up- only a few thousand miles- so moving halfway across the Earth would easily result in seeing a whole different set of stars.

Where is your proof.  There are plenty of proven methods to measure how far away stars are.   How did you come to that conclusion?

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The Flat-Earth theory is completely consistent with relativistic physics. I'm failing to understand what you mean by 'curvature ratios'.

ok, that's just dumb.   You know enough about physics to be able to apply them to the FE theory, but "curvature ratios" confuse you.  duh.

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That isn't correct, time passes differently for different observers. This is a direct consequence of the theory of relativity.

Since you understand it so well, tell us in your own words why?

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Contradicting this time argument is like arguing that humans don't have heads- the statement is impossible to back up with information, because the notion itself is impossible. And if space and time are interlinked, as E=mc2 shows us (don't even try to prove this wrong, go to collage and learn what h-bar means before telling me I don't understand the standard model), then all statements that our spatial (space-related) physics are incorrect is incorrect itself. If a=b, and everyone can agree what a equals, then why argue upon what b equals? The notion itself is contradicting, misleading, and overall uninformative.

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This is meaningless nonsense dressed up with scientific-sounding words.

In other words "I'm lost!  Mommy help me!"
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Overall, I really do feel this site is a contrition to itself. I highly doubt that any of you have master degree level training in any physics, and therefore have little fact to back up your theories.

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Believe it or not, the user with the handle TheEngineer is actually an engineer, and thus does have quite extensive knowledge of physics. Others such as Erasmus are also extremely knowledgeable. But it does not even pose a challenge to my undergraduate knowledge of physics to refute your statements.

Yeah, you're doing great!  Your mother should have had a medical plan that included abortion.

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Can you tell me why moving through space simulates gravity?

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Because according to relativity, and specifically Einstein's Equivalence Principle, the effects of acceleration and a gravitational field are locally indistinguishable. It's not about moving through space, it's about accelerating through space. Being such an expert on physics, this should be obvious to you.

Sounds like something right out of a book.   Tell me...what is your level of education, bookworm?

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Or why the Earth warps space like a sphere? (this is seen on radio telescopes).

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Prove the government can't have faked the images from these telescopes and you'll have a point.

There are satellites that take pictures of the earth that are not controlled by the government.
 
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Sure, you could always turn to the brainwashing excuse, but that is nothing more than an excuse.

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It has nothing to do with brainwashing. The government doesn't have to brainwash anyone because there are almost no experiments the average person can do to check whether or not the Earth is round.

Pay no attention to the moron behind the curtain!
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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2007, 04:59:04 PM »
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The stars aren't actually very far up- only a few thousand miles- so moving halfway across the Earth would easily result in seeing a whole different set of stars.


I'd like to pick you up on this and demonstrate an alternative model - and rebuttal to the orignal Round Earth point made.

The "stars" are fairly far away - but ride on the troughs and crests of the Universal Accelerator. The light we see is actually the UA Afterburn of other, perhaps larger planets in similar situation to the Earth. The closer bodies, recognized even by Conspiracy science as planets (Mars, Jupiter etc.) are also visible via this phenomenom.

I drew a crude diagram to help understand this.



As for the problem of seeing different arrays of stars on different parts of the Earth, consider that the atmosphere is not perfectly flat. The concept of a marginally heaped atmosphere means that what is seen from different parts of the Earth will be affected by defraction.

I can't be bothered to make a new diagram to explain, but here is a recycled moon diagram which depicts roughly the same concept.

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« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2007, 05:08:02 PM »
here is my drawing



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^^ the flat earth

what a great drawing! thank you thatnk you, autgoraphcs will be avalihable tomaro
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« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2007, 05:13:31 PM »
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The stars aren't actually very far up- only a few thousand miles- so moving halfway across the Earth would easily result in seeing a whole different set of stars.


I'd like to pick you up on this and demonstrate an alternative model - and rebuttal to the orignal Round Earth point made.

The "stars" are fairly far away - but ride on the troughs and crests of the Universal Accelerator. The light we see is actually the UA Afterburn of other, perhaps larger planets in similar situation to the Earth. The closer bodies, recognized even by Conspiracy science as planets (Mars, Jupiter etc.) are also visible via this phenomenom.

I drew a crude diagram to help understand this.

As for the problem of seeing different arrays of stars on different parts of the Earth, consider that the atmosphere is not perfectly flat. The concept of a marginally heaped atmosphere means that what is seen from different parts of the Earth will be affected by defraction.

I can't be bothered to make a new diagram to explain, but here is a recycled moon diagram which depicts roughly the same concept.


Wow.   I'm sure that sounds completely sane to you.  Here's the problem with that...there are millions of scientists who say you're completely wrong and you have no scientific basis for your finger painting.
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« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2007, 05:14:26 PM »
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here is my drawing



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       >      .    <-----  person                            
 
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^^ the flat earth

what a great drawing! thank you thatnk you, autgoraphcs will be avalihable tomaro


hahahaha...I definitely like your drawing better, sodapop..so much depth and feeling compared to that other one  :D
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Wow.   I'm sure that sounds completely sane to you.  Here's the problem with that...there are millions of scientists who say you're completely wrong and you have no scientific basis for your finger painting.

That is an argument from authority, Ninja. You should know better than that.

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« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2007, 05:25:10 PM »
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Wow.   I'm sure that sounds completely sane to you.  Here's the problem with that...there are millions of scientists who say you're completely wrong and you have no scientific basis for your finger painting.


In the 1500's, everyone was sure that witches existed. Pretty much the same argument could easily have been raised against anyone in the non-Witch-believer camp.
"For your own sake, as well as for that of our beloved country, be bold and firm against error and evil of every kind." - David Wardlaw Scott, Terra Firma 1901

Re: This theroy is directly contradictory to well known fact
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2007, 05:25:46 PM »
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Quote from: "NinjaMidgetOwnsU"


Wow.   I'm sure that sounds completely sane to you.  Here's the problem with that...there are millions of scientists who say you're completely wrong and you have no scientific basis for your finger painting.

That is an argument from authority, Ninja. You should know better than that.


Apologies.  I don't know where I get off stating facts like that.   Blast you, reality!
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Re: This theroy is directly contradictory to well known fact
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2007, 05:29:17 PM »
Quote from: "Dogplatter"
Quote from: "NinjaMidgetOwnsU"

Wow.   I'm sure that sounds completely sane to you.  Here's the problem with that...there are millions of scientists who say you're completely wrong and you have no scientific basis for your finger painting.


In the 1500's, everyone was sure that witches existed. Pretty much the same argument could easily have been raised against anyone in the non-Witch-believer camp.


Actually, witches do exist.   Do a Google search for "Wicca".  In all fairness, I think you meant to question the existence of magic and the superstitions that were around in that time period.   That aside, your point is completely....well, pointless
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GeoGuy

This theroy is directly contradictory to well known facts
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2007, 05:29:48 PM »
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Apologies. I don't know where I get off stating facts like that. Blast you, reality!

Yep. You really have to be careful with those logical fallacies, they'll sneak up on you when you least expect it. And they do like to go parading around disguised as facts don't they?

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Ikos

This theroy is directly contradictory to well known facts
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2007, 05:36:21 PM »
Sorry to interupt the insults, but how Does the Flat Earth Society explain seismic waves. And I'm not trying to be an asshole, I'm curious.