Nasa paying people to keep quite, how much would that cost?

In the case of the Challenger disaster, it was just another hoax.

In the case of the Challenger disaster, it was just another hoax.

Do you have any proof of your ridiculous claims?
Read this! Are the Crew Members of 1986 Space Shuttle Challenger Explosion Still Alive?
If you bother reading you might learn how ludicrous your claims are.

In the case of the Challenger disaster, it was just another hoax.

OMG!!!11!!
They found people that look vaguely similar!  How dare they!   

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 07:23:07 PM

Don't forget to mention the Apollo 11 footage that was recovered from an IBM contractors basement, as well as the pioneer and Helios missions.  NASA sure has a nack for making problems disappear.

And they were still recovered, weren't they? And all of the footage exists in copies, doesn't it?

They were almost immediately destroyed after they were recovered, along with two supercomputers that the contractor somehow managed to get his hands on.  Of the 300 reels of film that they recovered and subsequently destroyed, they list the contents of only 10 of them.  The rest, they claim, were probably blank. 

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2018, 05:16:30 PM

The "lower-res" copies were recordings of supposed live broadcasts.  They forgot that people were recording their shenanigans. Even NASA can screw up every now and then when they are attempting to cover their tracks.  At least the recordings were of very low quality so it is harder for people to spot all of the BS in the films.

We know they're live. They had live conversations with mission control (unless MC was in on it too), and in some landings they commented on current events.

NASA didn't forget. Every news station around the world was making copies. Honeysuckle in Australia was too. NASA knew this.

The "recovered" copies were from live broadcasts that were grainy after being converted several times to match TV broadcast formatting.  Kind of convenient that the end result was only barely distinguishable from shadow puppets.  Good thing NASA got rid of the high-resolution films so that it is much harder for skeptics to poke holes in their little fairy tale. 

Quote from: nickrulercreator on May 24, 2018, 07:08:04 PM

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2018, 05:16:30 PM

The "lower-res" copies were recordings of supposed live broadcasts.  They forgot that people were recording their shenanigans. Even NASA can screw up every now and then when they are attempting to cover their tracks.  At least the recordings were of very low quality so it is harder for people to spot all of the BS in the films.

We know they're live. They had live conversations with mission control (unless MC was in on it too), and in some landings they commented on current events.

NASA didn't forget. Every news station around the world was making copies. Honeysuckle in Australia was too. NASA knew this.

The "recovered" copies were from live broadcasts that were grainy after being converted several times to match TV broadcast formatting.  Kind of convenient that the end result was only barely distinguishable from shadow puppets.  Good thing NASA got rid of the high-resolution films so that it is much harder for skeptics to poke holes in their little fairy tale.

Let's just say for a moment that any/all of that nonsense is true.

What part of any of that information suggests the earth isn't round?

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Quote from: nickrulercreator on May 24, 2018, 07:08:04 PM

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2018, 05:16:30 PM

The "lower-res" copies were recordings of supposed live broadcasts.  They forgot that people were recording their shenanigans. Even NASA can screw up every now and then when they are attempting to cover their tracks.  At least the recordings were of very low quality so it is harder for people to spot all of the BS in the films.

We know they're live. They had live conversations with mission control (unless MC was in on it too), and in some landings they commented on current events.

NASA didn't forget. Every news station around the world was making copies. Honeysuckle in Australia was too. NASA knew this.

The "recovered" copies were from live broadcasts that were grainy after being converted several times to match TV broadcast formatting.  Kind of convenient that the end result was only barely distinguishable from shadow puppets.  Good thing NASA got rid of the high-resolution films so that it is much harder for skeptics to poke holes in their little fairy tale.

Let's just say for a moment that any/all of that nonsense is true.

What part of any of that information suggests the earth isn't round?

It does not.  However, it does show the thuggery that NASA will go through to cover up anything that might make people question them. 

Quote from: smokified on May 25, 2018, 07:40:36 PM

Quote from: jroa on May 25, 2018, 07:37:19 PM

Quote from: nickrulercreator on May 24, 2018, 07:08:04 PM

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2018, 05:16:30 PM

The "lower-res" copies were recordings of supposed live broadcasts.  They forgot that people were recording their shenanigans. Even NASA can screw up every now and then when they are attempting to cover their tracks.  At least the recordings were of very low quality so it is harder for people to spot all of the BS in the films.

We know they're live. They had live conversations with mission control (unless MC was in on it too), and in some landings they commented on current events.

NASA didn't forget. Every news station around the world was making copies. Honeysuckle in Australia was too. NASA knew this.

The "recovered" copies were from live broadcasts that were grainy after being converted several times to match TV broadcast formatting.  Kind of convenient that the end result was only barely distinguishable from shadow puppets.  Good thing NASA got rid of the high-resolution films so that it is much harder for skeptics to poke holes in their little fairy tale.

Let's just say for a moment that any/all of that nonsense is true.

What part of any of that information suggests the earth isn't round?

It does not.  However, it does show the thuggery that NASA will go through to cover up anything that might make people question them.

People question them on this site all day long.  Do you have any evidence of any one of them being suspiciously killed?  You claimed that the FE cult has all kinds of power...do you really think this silly forum would exist if your tin foil hat theory was even remotely significant on any level?

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Quote from: smokified on May 25, 2018, 07:40:36 PM

Quote from: jroa on May 25, 2018, 07:37:19 PM

Quote from: nickrulercreator on May 24, 2018, 07:08:04 PM

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2018, 05:16:30 PM

The "lower-res" copies were recordings of supposed live broadcasts.  They forgot that people were recording their shenanigans. Even NASA can screw up every now and then when they are attempting to cover their tracks.  At least the recordings were of very low quality so it is harder for people to spot all of the BS in the films.

We know they're live. They had live conversations with mission control (unless MC was in on it too), and in some landings they commented on current events.

NASA didn't forget. Every news station around the world was making copies. Honeysuckle in Australia was too. NASA knew this.

The "recovered" copies were from live broadcasts that were grainy after being converted several times to match TV broadcast formatting.  Kind of convenient that the end result was only barely distinguishable from shadow puppets.  Good thing NASA got rid of the high-resolution films so that it is much harder for skeptics to poke holes in their little fairy tale.

Let's just say for a moment that any/all of that nonsense is true.

What part of any of that information suggests the earth isn't round?

It does not.  However, it does show the thuggery that NASA will go through to cover up anything that might make people question them.

People question them on this site all day long.  Do you have any evidence of any one of them being suspiciously killed?  You claimed that the FE cult has all kinds of power...do you really think this silly forum would exist if your tin foil hat theory was even remotely significant on any level?

Would you not say that it is suspicious that flat Earthers disappear all the time, never to be heard from again? 

OP: I don't know how much I'd have to be payed to be kept "quite". I imagine its an English thing.

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Quote from: jroa on May 25, 2018, 07:53:39 PM

Quote from: smokified on May 25, 2018, 07:40:36 PM

Quote from: jroa on May 25, 2018, 07:37:19 PM

Quote from: nickrulercreator on May 24, 2018, 07:08:04 PM

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2018, 05:16:30 PM

The "lower-res" copies were recordings of supposed live broadcasts.  They forgot that people were recording their shenanigans. Even NASA can screw up every now and then when they are attempting to cover their tracks.  At least the recordings were of very low quality so it is harder for people to spot all of the BS in the films.

We know they're live. They had live conversations with mission control (unless MC was in on it too), and in some landings they commented on current events.

NASA didn't forget. Every news station around the world was making copies. Honeysuckle in Australia was too. NASA knew this.

The "recovered" copies were from live broadcasts that were grainy after being converted several times to match TV broadcast formatting.  Kind of convenient that the end result was only barely distinguishable from shadow puppets.  Good thing NASA got rid of the high-resolution films so that it is much harder for skeptics to poke holes in their little fairy tale.

Let's just say for a moment that any/all of that nonsense is true.

What part of any of that information suggests the earth isn't round?

It does not.  However, it does show the thuggery that NASA will go through to cover up anything that might make people question them.

People question them on this site all day long.  Do you have any evidence of any one of them being suspiciously killed?  You claimed that the FE cult has all kinds of power...do you really think this silly forum would exist if your tin foil hat theory was even remotely significant on any level?

Would you not say that it is suspicious that flat Earthers disappear all the time, never to be heard from again?

No, I would say they learned the truth and stopped being flat earthers.  Do you actually expect them to come back, after the fools they made out of themselves, and admit they were wrong?  If any of them are actually being killed, I would be more inclined to suspect the flat earth cult than NASA...

OP: I don't know how much I'd have to be payed to be kept "quite". I imagine its an English thing.

Super solid argument, John.  The way he accidentally typed that word wrong...you have clearly proven the earth is not round with this ground breaking evidence.

Were you able to figure out what he was trying to say, or do you require some assistance?

It shows he has no serious or importance to the topic at hand.

But perhaps you have more. Could you be kept quite?

It shows he has no serious or importance to the topic at hand.

But perhaps you have more. Could you be kept quite?

You have entirely lost the argument when you resort to hanging yourself up on an obvious typo that doesn't even remotely change the context of the statement.

Also, your argument contains several grammatical errors.

No, I can't be kept quite.

I'm pretty sure you keep yourself quite. But hey, keep hanging yourself up on the irrelevant.

I'm pretty sure you keep yourself quite. But hey, keep hanging yourself up on the irrelevant.

Now you are just talking complete bullshit.

Have you noticed, that in every thread we are conversing in, that you have completely run away from the relevant topic at hand?  I thought that if you ran away from an argument, it was due to your time being super important, yet here you are, spending all of this time avoiding the real conversation (in which you have been, once again, proven completely wrong)

No, I would say they learned the truth and stopped being flat earthers.  Do you actually expect them to come back, after the fools they made out of themselves, and admit they were wrong?  If any of them are actually being killed, I would be more inclined to suspect the flat earth cult than NASA...

Now, who is doing the speculating? 

Quote from: smokified on May 25, 2018, 08:23:38 PM

No, I would say they learned the truth and stopped being flat earthers.  Do you actually expect them to come back, after the fools they made out of themselves, and admit they were wrong?  If any of them are actually being killed, I would be more inclined to suspect the flat earth cult than NASA...

Now, who is doing the speculating?

Oh, man, the way you sit there, in the dark, hiding like a cockroach, just waiting to spring out to look for some shit to eat.  I would also speculate that most flat earth society "members" spend most of their time cringing at the awkwardness of each other.

Notice how I openly used the word "suspect" within the context that the whole concept was bullshit in the first place?

Quote from: jroa on May 25, 2018, 09:00:09 PM

Quote from: smokified on May 25, 2018, 08:23:38 PM

No, I would say they learned the truth and stopped being flat earthers.  Do you actually expect them to come back, after the fools they made out of themselves, and admit they were wrong?  If any of them are actually being killed, I would be more inclined to suspect the flat earth cult than NASA...

Now, who is doing the speculating?

Oh, man, the way you sit there, in the dark, hiding like a cockroach, just waiting to spring out to look for some shit to eat.  I would also speculate that most flat earth society "members" spend most of their time cringing at the awkwardness of each other.

Notice how I openly used the word "suspect" within the context that the whole concept was bullshit in the first place?

Would you like to talk about it?

Quote from: jroa on May 25, 2018, 09:00:09 PM

Quote from: smokified on May 25, 2018, 08:23:38 PM

No, I would say they learned the truth and stopped being flat earthers.  Do you actually expect them to come back, after the fools they made out of themselves, and admit they were wrong?  If any of them are actually being killed, I would be more inclined to suspect the flat earth cult than NASA...

Now, who is doing the speculating?

Oh, man, the way you sit there, in the dark, hiding like a cockroach, just waiting to spring out to look for some shit to eat.  I would also speculate that most flat earth society "members" spend most of their time cringing at the awkwardness of each other.

Notice how I openly used the word "suspect" within the context that the whole concept was bullshit in the first place?

No shit.  You said you were guessing.  It could not have been plainer.  You do this quite often while attempting to debate facts in this scientific forum.  You don't have to make a separate post in order to explain that you were making stuff up.  We all already knew it. 

Quote from: smokified on May 25, 2018, 09:05:10 PM

Quote from: jroa on May 25, 2018, 09:00:09 PM

Quote from: smokified on May 25, 2018, 08:23:38 PM

No, I would say they learned the truth and stopped being flat earthers.  Do you actually expect them to come back, after the fools they made out of themselves, and admit they were wrong?  If any of them are actually being killed, I would be more inclined to suspect the flat earth cult than NASA...

Now, who is doing the speculating?

Oh, man, the way you sit there, in the dark, hiding like a cockroach, just waiting to spring out to look for some shit to eat.  I would also speculate that most flat earth society "members" spend most of their time cringing at the awkwardness of each other.

Notice how I openly used the word "suspect" within the context that the whole concept was bullshit in the first place?

No shit.  You said you were guessing.  It could not have been plainer.  You do this quite often while attempting to debate facts in this scientific forum.  You don't have to make a separate post in order to explain that you were making stuff up.  We all already knew it.

I have yet to see you debate a fact, ever.

Why don't you go back and try to read the thread again and see if putting the conversation in order helps you understand what is being discussed here.

It is funny how flat earthers attack flat earth logic and don't even realize they are just walking into a trap that was intentionally set to show exactly how little you actually believe in your own thought process.

I do thank you and Mr. Davis for spending all of this time proving that neither of you have a clue what you are talking about.

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Quote from: jroa on May 25, 2018, 09:00:09 PM

Quote from: smokified on May 25, 2018, 08:23:38 PM

No, I would say they learned the truth and stopped being flat earthers.  Do you actually expect them to come back, after the fools they made out of themselves, and admit they were wrong?  If any of them are actually being killed, I would be more inclined to suspect the flat earth cult than NASA...

Now, who is doing the speculating?

Oh, man, the way you sit there, in the dark, hiding like a cockroach, just waiting to spring out to look for some shit to eat.  I would also speculate that most flat earth society "members" spend most of their time cringing at the awkwardness of each other.

Notice how I openly used the word "suspect" within the context that the whole concept was bullshit in the first place?

No shit.  You said you were guessing.  It could not have been plainer.  You do this quite often while attempting to debate facts in this scientific forum.  You don't have to make a separate post in order to explain that you were making stuff up.  We all already knew it.

I have yet to see you debate a fact, ever.

Why don't you go back and try to read the thread again and see if putting the conversation in order helps you understand what is being discussed here.

It is funny how flat earthers attack flat earth logic and don't even realize they are just walking into a trap that was intentionally set to show exactly how little you actually believe in your own thought process.

I do thank you and Mr. Davis for spending all of this time proving that neither of you have a clue what you are talking about.

Why did you call me Mr. Davis? 

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Quote from: jroa on May 25, 2018, 09:09:24 PM

Quote from: smokified on May 25, 2018, 09:05:10 PM

Quote from: jroa on May 25, 2018, 09:00:09 PM

Quote from: smokified on May 25, 2018, 08:23:38 PM

No, I would say they learned the truth and stopped being flat earthers.  Do you actually expect them to come back, after the fools they made out of themselves, and admit they were wrong?  If any of them are actually being killed, I would be more inclined to suspect the flat earth cult than NASA...

Now, who is doing the speculating?

Oh, man, the way you sit there, in the dark, hiding like a cockroach, just waiting to spring out to look for some shit to eat.  I would also speculate that most flat earth society "members" spend most of their time cringing at the awkwardness of each other.

Notice how I openly used the word "suspect" within the context that the whole concept was bullshit in the first place?

No shit.  You said you were guessing.  It could not have been plainer.  You do this quite often while attempting to debate facts in this scientific forum.  You don't have to make a separate post in order to explain that you were making stuff up.  We all already knew it.

I have yet to see you debate a fact, ever.

Why don't you go back and try to read the thread again and see if putting the conversation in order helps you understand what is being discussed here.

It is funny how flat earthers attack flat earth logic and don't even realize they are just walking into a trap that was intentionally set to show exactly how little you actually believe in your own thought process.

I do thank you and Mr. Davis for spending all of this time proving that neither of you have a clue what you are talking about.

Why did you call me Mr. Davis?

Read it again, very slowly.  I know you can do it, you just have to try.

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Quote from: jroa on May 25, 2018, 09:09:24 PM

Quote from: smokified on May 25, 2018, 09:05:10 PM

Quote from: jroa on May 25, 2018, 09:00:09 PM

Quote from: smokified on May 25, 2018, 08:23:38 PM

No, I would say they learned the truth and stopped being flat earthers.  Do you actually expect them to come back, after the fools they made out of themselves, and admit they were wrong?  If any of them are actually being killed, I would be more inclined to suspect the flat earth cult than NASA...

Now, who is doing the speculating?

Oh, man, the way you sit there, in the dark, hiding like a cockroach, just waiting to spring out to look for some shit to eat.  I would also speculate that most flat earth society "members" spend most of their time cringing at the awkwardness of each other.

Notice how I openly used the word "suspect" within the context that the whole concept was bullshit in the first place?

No shit.  You said you were guessing.  It could not have been plainer.  You do this quite often while attempting to debate facts in this scientific forum.  You don't have to make a separate post in order to explain that you were making stuff up.  We all already knew it.

I have yet to see you debate a fact, ever.

Why don't you go back and try to read the thread again and see if putting the conversation in order helps you understand what is being discussed here.

It is funny how flat earthers attack flat earth logic and don't even realize they are just walking into a trap that was intentionally set to show exactly how little you actually believe in your own thought process.

I do thank you and Mr. Davis for spending all of this time proving that neither of you have a clue what you are talking about.

Why did you call me Mr. Davis?

Read it again, very slowly.  I know you can do it, you just have to try.

I read it all again.  I still do not see why you would refer to me as Mr. Davis.  Are you implying that John and I are the same person?  If so, I am not sure if it was meant as a compliment, but thanks regardless. 

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Quote from: jroa on May 25, 2018, 09:00:09 PM

Quote from: smokified on May 25, 2018, 08:23:38 PM

No, I would say they learned the truth and stopped being flat earthers.  Do you actually expect them to come back, after the fools they made out of themselves, and admit they were wrong?  If any of them are actually being killed, I would be more inclined to suspect the flat earth cult than NASA...

Now, who is doing the speculating?

Oh, man, the way you sit there, in the dark, hiding like a cockroach, just waiting to spring out to look for some shit to eat.  I would also speculate that most flat earth society "members" spend most of their time cringing at the awkwardness of each other.

Notice how I openly used the word "suspect" within the context that the whole concept was bullshit in the first place?

Would you like to talk about it?

Are you trying to psychoangolize him??

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Quote from: jroa on May 25, 2018, 09:09:24 PM

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Quote from: jroa on May 25, 2018, 09:00:09 PM

Quote from: smokified on May 25, 2018, 08:23:38 PM

No, I would say they learned the truth and stopped being flat earthers.  Do you actually expect them to come back, after the fools they made out of themselves, and admit they were wrong?  If any of them are actually being killed, I would be more inclined to suspect the flat earth cult than NASA...

Now, who is doing the speculating?

Oh, man, the way you sit there, in the dark, hiding like a cockroach, just waiting to spring out to look for some shit to eat.  I would also speculate that most flat earth society "members" spend most of their time cringing at the awkwardness of each other.

Notice how I openly used the word "suspect" within the context that the whole concept was bullshit in the first place?

No shit.  You said you were guessing.  It could not have been plainer.  You do this quite often while attempting to debate facts in this scientific forum.  You don't have to make a separate post in order to explain that you were making stuff up.  We all already knew it.

I have yet to see you debate a fact, ever.

Why don't you go back and try to read the thread again and see if putting the conversation in order helps you understand what is being discussed here.

It is funny how flat earthers attack flat earth logic and don't even realize they are just walking into a trap that was intentionally set to show exactly how little you actually believe in your own thought process.

I do thank you and Mr. Davis for spending all of this time proving that neither of you have a clue what you are talking about.

Why did you call me Mr. Davis?

Because he's an idiot.

Quote from: nickrulercreator on May 24, 2018, 07:08:04 PM

Quote from: jroa on May 23, 2018, 07:23:07 PM

Don't forget to mention the Apollo 11 footage that was recovered from an IBM contractors basement, as well as the pioneer and Helios missions.  NASA sure has a nack for making problems disappear.

And they were still recovered, weren't they? And all of the footage exists in copies, doesn't it?

They were almost immediately destroyed after they were recovered, along with two supercomputers that the contractor somehow managed to get his hands on.  Of the 300 reels of film that they recovered and subsequently destroyed, they list the contents of only 10 of them.  The rest, they claim, were probably blank.

Tape, not film. Get it right.

I got two tapes from the basement collection that didn't get taken by NASA. There are several more but they haven't been put on Ebay yet, nor did I get everything that was put online.

Chuck, someone who works at a data recovery company, has tried to read one NASA Automatic Data Processing tape but has been unable to, he deals with computer tapes, while this tape might be some sort of analog telemetry or instrumental data. Either way, he is having a closer look and will try to figure out a way to read it.

Quote from: nickrulercreator on May 24, 2018, 07:08:04 PM

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2018, 05:16:30 PM

The "lower-res" copies were recordings of supposed live broadcasts.  They forgot that people were recording their shenanigans. Even NASA can screw up every now and then when they are attempting to cover their tracks.  At least the recordings were of very low quality so it is harder for people to spot all of the BS in the films.

We know they're live. They had live conversations with mission control (unless MC was in on it too), and in some landings they commented on current events.

NASA didn't forget. Every news station around the world was making copies. Honeysuckle in Australia was too. NASA knew this.

The "recovered" copies were from live broadcasts that were grainy after being converted several times to match TV broadcast formatting.  Kind of convenient that the end result was only barely distinguishable from shadow puppets.  Good thing NASA got rid of the high-resolution films so that it is much harder for skeptics to poke holes in their little fairy tale.

High resolution video, not film.

The high resolution video was seen, recorded and photographed by people at tracking stations. The video feed was recorded on M22 telemetry tapes.



"Ed von Renouard at the Honeysuckle Creek video console
during Apollo 12.

The slow scan rack is at the left. Photos 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 are of the top slow scan monitor (white background) – the others are of the scan-converted monitor directly in front of Ed (yellow background).

The smaller monitor to the left, at Ed’s eye level, was used to check various station configurations."

This link contains several photos of the unconverted slow-scan video screen you talk off, before it was converted to NTSC:
https://www.honeysucklecreek.net/Apollo_11_EVA_stills/index.html

I just don't understand a few things. First of all, flat earthers believe is lying to us, and keeping the "truth" of the flat earth a secret, how did you guys find out? You had sources from inside the government? You hacked into a private Email server? You blackmailed somebody involved with the secret? No, you looked outside and said it looks flat, and you guys think you're geniuses for finding out their "secret". And if the government was going to such lengths to keep it a secret, then how could they forget to cover up something that so obviously proves that the earth is flat, such as it appearing flat to everybody at ground level? Second, if NASA would go to lengths such as killing people in order to keep the flat earth a secret, then why   
 would they keep websites like this one up on the internet, for everybody to see the earth's "true" shape? If they didn't want the secret to get out, then why is stuff on the flat earth all over the internet? Third, when somebody is raised their whole life being taught the earth is round, and then gains a position in the government, what is the undeniable evidence they are told that convinces them the earth is flat? Because EVERYBODY involved in the government knows the "truth". And last, what would the government have to gain from hiding the earth's shape from us? Really? And I already know that nobody is going to be able to give me a good reply, or even a reply at all.

I just don't understand a few things. First of all, flat earthers believe is lying to us, and keeping the "truth" of the flat earth a secret, how did you guys find out? You had sources from inside the government? You hacked into a private Email server? You blackmailed somebody involved with the secret? No, you looked outside and said it looks flat, and you guys think you're geniuses for finding out their "secret". And if the government was going to such lengths to keep it a secret, then how could they forget to cover up something that so obviously proves that the earth is flat, such as it appearing flat to everybody at ground level? Second, if NASA would go to lengths such as killing people in order to keep the flat earth a secret, then why   
 would they keep websites like this one up on the internet, for everybody to see the earth's "true" shape? If they didn't want the secret to get out, then why is stuff on the flat earth all over the internet? Third, when somebody is raised their whole life being taught the earth is round, and then gains a position in the government, what is the undeniable evidence they are told that convinces them the earth is flat? Because EVERYBODY involved in the government knows the "truth". And last, what would the government have to gain from hiding the earth's shape from us? Really? And I already know that nobody is going to be able to give me a good reply, or even a reply at all.

Not everyone in the gubberment knows the truth. That's why they have security classification levels. Someone in payroll or the cleaners do not need to know all the secrets within the organization just because they work there. The truth could be known by just a few individuals. People who work for NASA don't have all the pieces to the puzzle. Usually they are assigned to groups and given only enough information to do their part, but not enough to know any nefarious purposes to what they build or do.

This notion that the conspiracy has to be held by millions of people so is unsustainable is a load of rubbish. Does someone working in a police headquarters managing the payroll or running background checks know about every/any secret undercover operation? No! Why would they? Given the sensitive nature of the shape of the Earth, there would be even less people 'in the know'.

Do not underestimate the power of indoctrination. You could should damning compelling evidence to the likes of shillinoz or JackBlack and they would not believe it.