Apollo 16 floodlight failure?

Quote from: markjo on March 22, 2018, 08:23:56 AM

Quote from: totallackey on March 22, 2018, 08:12:23 AM

The LM was never placed in a test flight designed to perform the entirety of its designed mission.

Thus, the LM was never truly flight tested. Seriously, it really isn't (or shouldn't be) that hard to understand.

Are you saying that Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 16 and 17 never placed the LEM in an environment to test the entirety of its mission?

I do not believe they did.

But for those choosing to believe the fable of Apollo, those flights were not test flights.

Quote from: rabinoz on March 22, 2018, 06:07:31 AM

Quote from: totallackey on March 22, 2018, 05:37:29 AM

A flight test = takeoff, maneuvering, and landing (and, in this case docking) in an environment for which the craft is developed.

Thus, the LM was never flight tested.

Incorrect!

Sorry, but I am correct.

Every aspect of the way the LM was to fulfill its mission requirements was not flight tested.

Unmanned landings
After the unsuccessful attempt by the Luna 1 to land on the moon in 1959, the Soviet Union performed the first hard (unpowered) moon landing later that same year with the Luna 2 spacecraft, a feat the U.S. duplicated in 1962 with Ranger 4. Since then, twelve Soviet and U.S. spacecraft have used braking rockets to make soft landings and perform scientific operations on the lunar surface, between 1966 and 1976. In 1966 the USSR accomplished the first soft landings and took the first pictures from the lunar surface during the Luna 9 and Luna 13 missions. The U.S. followed with five unmanned Surveyor soft landings.

Quote from: rabinoz on March 20, 2018, 06:46:17 AM

Quote from: totallackey on March 20, 2018, 05:10:57 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on March 20, 2018, 04:21:49 AM

Of course nobody could possibly have "steered a LM towards the lunar surface" until the first person, Neil Armstrong, "steered a LM towards the lunar surface".
Those situations, however, were simulated on earth as well as possible. Once again you are arguing from total ignorance!

Your whole claim the LM was tested on Earth "...as well as possible," is decried by the amount of time any actual LM was tested on Earth, which happens to = ZERO TIMES!!!

I did not claim "claim the LM was tested on Earth"! I said "Those situations, however, were simulated on earth as well as possible."
The LM itself could never be tested on earth as it can only operate under lunar conditions.

But, simulation can provide almost as much information as the real thing - ask any air-line pilot how good flight simulators are.
It looks as though you are joining dutchy in his argument from total ignorance.

Horse shit.

If simulations were just as good, then all flight hour requirements for certification would take place in a simulator...

But they don't.

And you want to no why?

Because your claim is a heaping pile of DUNG!

The information is fuquing there.
Your failure to realize the truth of the matter and follow the rote fuqing BS line is not my problem.
You choose what you want to fuqing believe.
That was a fuqing given from the first letter of the sentence of this thread and will remain a fuqing given until the day you draw your last breath...
Quoting me fuquing NASA BS numbers that do not possibly match the other written information regarding the scientific realities of space ain't gonna work.

Quote from: rvlvr on March 22, 2018, 09:51:34 AM

I shared a link to an article in Nature a while back. It is true the astronauts were damaged, no denying that. But you will not fry the instant you get to ”shpayze”.

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep29901

Don’t you see a certain pattern ?

• Is space exploration real? If so then NASA obviously knows far more than ever could about the VABs.
• Is space exploration all a fake? If it is then you are admitting that you know diddly squat about the VABs.

Who better to explain the Van Allen belt issue than James Van Allen himself?

Quote from: SpitfireIX, Cosmoquest Forum

Statement from James Van Allen on radiation effects
SpitfireIX
Hello, all.

I recently received the following e-mail from James Van Allen in response to a request for his comments on the radiation effects of the Van Allen belts. I post it here as a possible aid to other debunkers. I have edited out sections of my original e-mail for length; Professor Van Allen's response is reprinted in its entirety.

My request:

My question to you, Professor Van Allen, is this. I have read that you have "denounced" the conspiracy theorists' claims that radiation in the Van Allen belts would have killed the astronauts. I have also seen a quote from you about what utter nonsense the Fox special was. Could you please, if possible, point me to any sources in print or on the web where you have been extensively quoted? If there are none that you know of, and it wouldn't be too much trouble, I would appreciate it if you could reply with a brief statement on the subject. In all my recent studies about the moon-conspiracy theories, the cornerstone of most arguments appears to be that radiation is what makes interplanetary space travel impossible. I feel that there is no person better qualified to debunk this absurd claim (and no one more likely to be taken seriously) than you. Of course, some conspiracists will say that you are in on the conspiracy yourself, but we can never hope actually to convince them.

Professor Van Allen's response:

Dear Mr. Lambert, In reply to your e-mail, I send you the following copy of a response that I wrote to another inquiry about 2 months ago -- The radiation belts of the Earth do, indeed, pose important constraints on the safety of human space flight. The very energetic (tens to hundreds of MeV) protons in the inner radiation belt are the most dangerous and most difficult to shield against. Specifically, prolonged flights (i.e., ones of many months' duration) of humans or other animals in orbits about the Earth must be conducted at altitudes less than about 250 miles in order to avoid significant radiation exposure. A person in the cabin of a space shuttle in a circular equatorial orbit in the most intense region of the inner radiation belt, at an altitude of about 1000 miles, would be subjected to a fatal dosage of radiation in about one week. However, the outbound and inbound trajectories of the Apollo spacecraft cut through the outer portions of the inner belt and because of their high speed spent only about 15 minutes in traversing the region and less than 2 hours in traversing the much less penetrating radiation in the outer radiation belt. The resulting radiation exposure for the round trip was less than 1% of a fatal dosage[/i] - a very minor risk among the far greater other risks of such flights. I made such estimates in the early 1960s and so informed NASA engineers[/i] who were planning the Apollo flights. These estimates are still reliable. The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense. James A. Van Allen[/i]

--Doug

See: Cosmoquest Forum > The Proving Grounds > Conspiracy Theories > Statement from James Van Allen on radiation effects

It is just possible that James Van Allen knows a lot more about the Van Allen Belts than you do.

What's the official explanation for this debunkers?



https://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a16/video16.html

To me it looks like something just comes into view in the top right corner of the frame before the light goes out. Maybe the lights were cut on purpose?

It looks exactly like a floodlight blowout but I am sure the debunkers have a good explanation for it.

Because your claim is a heaping pile of DUNG!

<< I am waiting for your abject apology! >>

No known material utilized in vehicle construction and nothing at the Martian surface offering any sort of protection from ionizing radiation.

Quote from: totallackey on March 22, 2018, 02:40:10 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on March 20, 2018, 06:46:17 AM

Quote from: totallackey on March 20, 2018, 05:10:57 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on March 20, 2018, 04:21:49 AM

Of course nobody could possibly have "steered a LM towards the lunar surface" until the first person, Neil Armstrong, "steered a LM towards the lunar surface".
Those situations, however, were simulated on earth as well as possible. Once again you are arguing from total ignorance!

Your whole claim the LM was tested on Earth "...as well as possible," is decried by the amount of time any actual LM was tested on Earth, which happens to = ZERO TIMES!!!

I did not claim "claim the LM was tested on Earth"! I said "Those situations, however, were simulated on earth as well as possible."
The LM itself could never be tested on earth as it can only operate under lunar conditions.

But, simulation can provide almost as much information as the real thing - ask any air-line pilot how good flight simulators are.
It looks as though you are joining dutchy in his argument from total ignorance.

Horse shit.

If simulations were just as good, then all flight hour requirements for certification would take place in a simulator...

But they don't.

And you want to no why?

Because your claim is a heaping pile of DUNG!

I've done zero flight hours training, first time in the jet was with fare paying passengers. What makes you think they don't?

Quote from: Cahaya on March 22, 2018, 01:56:45 PM

Quote from: totallackey on March 22, 2018, 02:40:10 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on March 20, 2018, 06:46:17 AM

Quote from: totallackey on March 20, 2018, 05:10:57 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on March 20, 2018, 04:21:49 AM

Of course nobody could possibly have "steered a LM towards the lunar surface" until the first person, Neil Armstrong, "steered a LM towards the lunar surface".
Those situations, however, were simulated on earth as well as possible. Once again you are arguing from total ignorance!

Your whole claim the LM was tested on Earth "...as well as possible," is decried by the amount of time any actual LM was tested on Earth, which happens to = ZERO TIMES!!!

I did not claim "claim the LM was tested on Earth"! I said "Those situations, however, were simulated on earth as well as possible."
The LM itself could never be tested on earth as it can only operate under lunar conditions.

But, simulation can provide almost as much information as the real thing - ask any air-line pilot how good flight simulators are.
It looks as though you are joining dutchy in his argument from total ignorance.

Horse shit.

If simulations were just as good, then all flight hour requirements for certification would take place in a simulator...

But they don't.

And you want to no why?

Because your claim is a heaping pile of DUNG!

I've done zero flight hours training, first time in the jet was with fare paying passengers. What makes you think they don't?

Yeah, the first time you took a flight was when you paid your way onto the plane as a passenger.

If, on the other hand, you are making a claim you actually received a pilot license without logging any hours actually flying a plane and then flew a plane with passengers onboard, I am calling you a liar of the worse sort.

Nah, man -- I much prefer the "you are vile liar!" option

It certainly has the benefit of being easier to argue against! You need no knowledge at all

Quote from: totallackey on March 23, 2018, 02:34:08 AM

Quote from: Cahaya on March 22, 2018, 01:56:45 PM

Quote from: totallackey on March 22, 2018, 02:40:10 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on March 20, 2018, 06:46:17 AM

Quote from: totallackey on March 20, 2018, 05:10:57 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on March 20, 2018, 04:21:49 AM

Of course nobody could possibly have "steered a LM towards the lunar surface" until the first person, Neil Armstrong, "steered a LM towards the lunar surface".
Those situations, however, were simulated on earth as well as possible. Once again you are arguing from total ignorance!

Your whole claim the LM was tested on Earth "...as well as possible," is decried by the amount of time any actual LM was tested on Earth, which happens to = ZERO TIMES!!!

I did not claim "claim the LM was tested on Earth"! I said "Those situations, however, were simulated on earth as well as possible."
The LM itself could never be tested on earth as it can only operate under lunar conditions.

But, simulation can provide almost as much information as the real thing - ask any air-line pilot how good flight simulators are.
It looks as though you are joining dutchy in his argument from total ignorance.

Horse shit.

If simulations were just as good, then all flight hour requirements for certification would take place in a simulator...

But they don't.

And you want to no why?

Because your claim is a heaping pile of DUNG!

I've done zero flight hours training, first time in the jet was with fare paying passengers. What makes you think they don't?

Yeah, the first time you took a flight was when you paid your way onto the plane as a passenger.

If, on the other hand, you are making a claim you actually received a pilot license without logging any hours actually flying a plane and then flew a plane with passengers onboard, I am calling you a liar of the worse sort.

Try to read what I wrote a little more carefully. To help you I'll add some detail. I am a captain on commercial jet aircraft. I converted from Boeing 737 to Boeing 767, which takes about 3 months. The first month is groundschool, the second month is simulator and the final month is training on the aircraft. The very first time I was on a Boeing 767 I was one of the pilots, and there were fare paying passengers on board. Simulators are considered so faithful that is allowed. So your comment was made from ignorance, which is entirely understandable, you are not a professional pilot. Now you know better.

Hi totallackey,

Now that you are here, can you tell me the correct amount of radiation people flying to Mars need to endure?

Aside from the VAB, it is simply OUTER SCHPAYZZE!!!

With ZERO INTERFERENCE for alpha, beta, gamma, and cosmic.

Ionizing radiation has no known protecting barriers.

Apollo never happened...

Sure.

I showed (quoted) numbers, you can't do even that. And I am the with blind faith. You appear happy repeating "cosmic radiation" with no clue how much of it is there. I presented the number astronauts and/or who ever it is they'll ship there will face, you just say it can't happen because

Quote from: totallackey on March 22, 2018, 07:27:11 AM

Aside from the VAB, it is simply OUTER SCHPAYZZE!!!

With ZERO INTERFERENCE for alpha, beta, gamma, and cosmic.

Ionizing radiation has no known protecting barriers.

Apollo never happened...

I am done spending time dealing with your incessant trolling.

Quote from: Cahaya on March 23, 2018, 04:57:07 AM

Quote from: totallackey on March 23, 2018, 02:34:08 AM

Quote from: Cahaya on March 22, 2018, 01:56:45 PM

Quote from: totallackey on March 22, 2018, 02:40:10 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on March 20, 2018, 06:46:17 AM

Quote from: totallackey on March 20, 2018, 05:10:57 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on March 20, 2018, 04:21:49 AM

Of course nobody could possibly have "steered a LM towards the lunar surface" until the first person, Neil Armstrong, "steered a LM towards the lunar surface".
Those situations, however, were simulated on earth as well as possible. Once again you are arguing from total ignorance!

Your whole claim the LM was tested on Earth "...as well as possible," is decried by the amount of time any actual LM was tested on Earth, which happens to = ZERO TIMES!!!

I did not claim "claim the LM was tested on Earth"! I said "Those situations, however, were simulated on earth as well as possible."
The LM itself could never be tested on earth as it can only operate under lunar conditions.

But, simulation can provide almost as much information as the real thing - ask any air-line pilot how good flight simulators are.
It looks as though you are joining dutchy in his argument from total ignorance.

Horse shit.

If simulations were just as good, then all flight hour requirements for certification would take place in a simulator...

But they don't.

And you want to no why?

Because your claim is a heaping pile of DUNG!

I've done zero flight hours training, first time in the jet was with fare paying passengers. What makes you think they don't?

Yeah, the first time you took a flight was when you paid your way onto the plane as a passenger.

If, on the other hand, you are making a claim you actually received a pilot license without logging any hours actually flying a plane and then flew a plane with passengers onboard, I am calling you a liar of the worse sort.

Try to read what I wrote a little more carefully. To help you I'll add some detail. I am a captain on commercial jet aircraft. I converted from Boeing 737 to Boeing 767, which takes about 3 months. The first month is groundschool, the second month is simulator and the final month is training on the aircraft. The very first time I was on a Boeing 767 I was one of the pilots, and there were fare paying passengers on board. Simulators are considered so faithful that is allowed. So your comment was made from ignorance, which is entirely understandable, you are not a professional pilot. Now you know better.

You got the nerve to write to me that I am the one who needs to read more carefully?

How about you write the absolute fuquing truth first and then get back to me about my level of comprehension, you disingenuous azzhat. Your first post to which I responded was nowhere the level of detail you added to the second. There was more an implication toward having actual zero hours in a functioning cockpit while in flight.

Now, I want you to fuquing write you were the responsible pilot in command on your very first flight on a 767.

If you cannot write that, then overall you can simply GFY incessantly. I am not commenting totally from ignorance. I am commenting to some schmarmy dipstick who thinks I do not know anything about what I am commenting on.

Quote from: totallackey on March 23, 2018, 05:40:26 AM

Quote from: Cahaya on March 23, 2018, 04:57:07 AM

Quote from: totallackey on March 23, 2018, 02:34:08 AM

Quote from: Cahaya on March 22, 2018, 01:56:45 PM

Quote from: totallackey on March 22, 2018, 02:40:10 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on March 20, 2018, 06:46:17 AM

Quote from: totallackey on March 20, 2018, 05:10:57 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on March 20, 2018, 04:21:49 AM

Of course nobody could possibly have "steered a LM towards the lunar surface" until the first person, Neil Armstrong, "steered a LM towards the lunar surface".
Those situations, however, were simulated on earth as well as possible. Once again you are arguing from total ignorance!

Your whole claim the LM was tested on Earth "...as well as possible," is decried by the amount of time any actual LM was tested on Earth, which happens to = ZERO TIMES!!!

I did not claim "claim the LM was tested on Earth"! I said "Those situations, however, were simulated on earth as well as possible."
The LM itself could never be tested on earth as it can only operate under lunar conditions.

But, simulation can provide almost as much information as the real thing - ask any air-line pilot how good flight simulators are.
It looks as though you are joining dutchy in his argument from total ignorance.

Horse shit.

If simulations were just as good, then all flight hour requirements for certification would take place in a simulator...

But they don't.

And you want to no why?

Because your claim is a heaping pile of DUNG!

I've done zero flight hours training, first time in the jet was with fare paying passengers. What makes you think they don't?

Yeah, the first time you took a flight was when you paid your way onto the plane as a passenger.

If, on the other hand, you are making a claim you actually received a pilot license without logging any hours actually flying a plane and then flew a plane with passengers onboard, I am calling you a liar of the worse sort.

Try to read what I wrote a little more carefully. To help you I'll add some detail. I am a captain on commercial jet aircraft. I converted from Boeing 737 to Boeing 767, which takes about 3 months. The first month is groundschool, the second month is simulator and the final month is training on the aircraft. The very first time I was on a Boeing 767 I was one of the pilots, and there were fare paying passengers on board. Simulators are considered so faithful that is allowed. So your comment was made from ignorance, which is entirely understandable, you are not a professional pilot. Now you know better.

You got the nerve to write to me that I am the one who needs to read more carefully?

How about you write the absolute fuquing truth first and then get back to me about my level of comprehension, you disingenuous azzhat. Your first post to which I responded was nowhere the level of detail you added to the second. There was more an implication toward having actual zero hours in a functioning cockpit while in flight.

Now, I want you to fuquing write you were the responsible pilot in command on your very first flight on a 767.

If you cannot write that, then overall you can simply GFY incessantly. I am not commenting totally from ignorance. I am commenting to some schmarmy dipstick who thinks I do not know anything about what I am commenting on.

And your original post did not use the term "responsible pilot in command", you've just added an extra requirement! The Boeing 767 is technology that is only a few years younger than the technology used in Apollo and simulators are used to zero flight time train pilots, both captains and First Officers, which is clearly counter to your previous statements. That is the absolute truth, however you try to spin it.

Quote from: Cahaya on March 23, 2018, 07:01:23 AM

Quote from: totallackey on March 23, 2018, 05:40:26 AM

Quote from: Cahaya on March 23, 2018, 04:57:07 AM

Quote from: totallackey on March 23, 2018, 02:34:08 AM

Quote from: Cahaya on March 22, 2018, 01:56:45 PM

Quote from: totallackey on March 22, 2018, 02:40:10 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on March 20, 2018, 06:46:17 AM

Quote from: totallackey on March 20, 2018, 05:10:57 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on March 20, 2018, 04:21:49 AM

Of course nobody could possibly have "steered a LM towards the lunar surface" until the first person, Neil Armstrong, "steered a LM towards the lunar surface".
Those situations, however, were simulated on earth as well as possible. Once again you are arguing from total ignorance!

Your whole claim the LM was tested on Earth "...as well as possible," is decried by the amount of time any actual LM was tested on Earth, which happens to = ZERO TIMES!!!

I did not claim "claim the LM was tested on Earth"! I said "Those situations, however, were simulated on earth as well as possible."
The LM itself could never be tested on earth as it can only operate under lunar conditions.

But, simulation can provide almost as much information as the real thing - ask any air-line pilot how good flight simulators are.
It looks as though you are joining dutchy in his argument from total ignorance.

Horse shit.

If simulations were just as good, then all flight hour requirements for certification would take place in a simulator...

But they don't.

And you want to no why?

Because your claim is a heaping pile of DUNG!

I've done zero flight hours training, first time in the jet was with fare paying passengers. What makes you think they don't?

Yeah, the first time you took a flight was when you paid your way onto the plane as a passenger.

If, on the other hand, you are making a claim you actually received a pilot license without logging any hours actually flying a plane and then flew a plane with passengers onboard, I am calling you a liar of the worse sort.

Try to read what I wrote a little more carefully. To help you I'll add some detail. I am a captain on commercial jet aircraft. I converted from Boeing 737 to Boeing 767, which takes about 3 months. The first month is groundschool, the second month is simulator and the final month is training on the aircraft. The very first time I was on a Boeing 767 I was one of the pilots, and there were fare paying passengers on board. Simulators are considered so faithful that is allowed. So your comment was made from ignorance, which is entirely understandable, you are not a professional pilot. Now you know better.

You got the nerve to write to me that I am the one who needs to read more carefully?

How about you write the absolute fuquing truth first and then get back to me about my level of comprehension, you disingenuous azzhat. Your first post to which I responded was nowhere the level of detail you added to the second. There was more an implication toward having actual zero hours in a functioning cockpit while in flight.

Now, I want you to fuquing write you were the responsible pilot in command on your very first flight on a 767.

If you cannot write that, then overall you can simply GFY incessantly. I am not commenting totally from ignorance. I am commenting to some schmarmy dipstick who thinks I do not know anything about what I am commenting on.

And your original post did not use the term "responsible pilot in command", you've just added an extra requirement! The Boeing 767 is technology that is only a few years younger than the technology used in Apollo and simulators are used to zero flight time train pilots, both captains and First Officers, which is clearly counter to your previous statements. That is the absolute truth, however you try to spin it.

My original post did state clearly, "certification." I added no extra requirements.

So shove that up your rectum, as you would not be allowed to act as pilot in command of any 767(or any other model of plane) flight without actual flight hours in an actual plane.

Again, you are a disingenuous azzhat and feel free to GFY incessantly.

But "certification" is not the same as "pilot in command". Or are First Officers not "certified" in your world?

Quote from: Cahaya on March 23, 2018, 07:12:08 AM

But "certification" is not the same as "pilot in command". Or are First Officers not "certified" in your world?

Look, everyone knows what the implication was with your post.

The implication was you could be a pilot without logging any actual in-flight hours.

That is false and you have been shown to be a disingenuous azzhat.

Quote from: nickrulercreator on March 20, 2018, 07:25:55 AM

Quote from: totallackey on March 20, 2018, 05:10:57 AM

Your whole claim the LM was tested on Earth "...as well as possible," is decried by the amount of time any actual LM was tested on Earth, which happens to = ZERO TIMES!!!

Incorrect.

Correct.

The LM was never flight tested on on Earth, if your playing ignorant on meaning.

Quote from: totallackey on March 23, 2018, 08:30:07 AM

Quote from: Cahaya on March 23, 2018, 07:12:08 AM

But "certification" is not the same as "pilot in command". Or are First Officers not "certified" in your world?

Look, everyone knows what the implication was with your post.

The implication was you could be a pilot without logging any actual in-flight hours.

That is false and you have been shown to be a disingenuous azzhat.

And yet everyone knows that all the Apollo astronauts came from a pilot background. They'd all logged thousands of hours flying and many hours in simulators in preparation for the lunar missions. Certified if you like! So it seems it was you who simply didn't know what you are talking about. I have said nothing false, implied or otherwise.

I've also said nothing that requires the excessive use of swear words that seems your go to position, so please mind your language in future, you're impressing no one

ITT:

Totallackey doesn't know how people train for missions.

Dutchy doesn't know how stuff works, so he doesn't believe it.

Quote from: nickrulercreator on March 23, 2018, 09:26:04 AM

ITT:

Totallackey doesn't know how people train for missions.

Dutchy doesn't know how stuff works, so he doesn't believe it.

I know how to occupy an entire legion of globelings almost single handedly !

You and others don’t know how stuff works in Aerospace either.....but you/we are in good company , because most Apollo astronauts have made claims and remarks that reveal their complete lack of understanding too.
Add to that our clown rabinoz who tries to upgrade his performance with paperthin copypaste trash he likes to save on his harddrive for further notice ( the flatearth forums that is ) ...... and you get the picture of why it is so easy for me to keep you all busy for pages.

Are you really not aware of your flagrant attempt of projection ?