Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life

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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #60 on: March 24, 2018, 10:09:55 AM »
Let me be the judge of what risks to take in my own life, this is the land of the free, not the slaves, remember?
And what happens if you hit someone?  The risk goes beyond just you.

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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #61 on: March 24, 2018, 10:23:27 AM »
No natter how invincible/infallible you believe yourself to be, you will one day tell this story to a to a succession of public servants.
I will always be Here To Laugh At You.

Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #62 on: March 24, 2018, 10:36:55 AM »
Basically, "rvlr" is hoping for something bad to happen, what a wicked person :(

May God have mercy on his soul.
I hope desperately that you never get in an accident and ruin someone's life through your choice to not have insurance.

It's educational to understand your level of selfishness. Speaks volumes.

Is it selfish to save the money intended to be extorted out of me for forced insurance when I never get in accidents to feed my kids?

Yes. Yes it is. It is incredibly selfish of you ... moreso because you even fail to comprehend that you are being selfish and that your actions might affect other people. And since you are, that is why I fervantly hope you continue your streak and never get into an accident that affects someone else.

(And he has children. That's truly depressing.)

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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #63 on: March 24, 2018, 10:42:24 AM »
Let me be the judge of what risks to take in my own life, this is the land of the free, not the slaves, remember?
Don't tell me, let me guess.  I bet you don't vaccinate your kids or send them to the doctor when they get sick.
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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #64 on: March 24, 2018, 09:20:12 PM »
Let me be the judge of what risks to take in my own life, this is the land of the free, not the slaves, remember?

I understand you are playing a fantasy thought experiment. Rather poorly.

But, even if you ride a unicorn and cause civil injury you are legally/financially responsible to make the aggrieved party whole. Whether you understand that or not.

You aren't a 'driver of a vehicle'? Fine. You are the operator of a machine. Same smell.

Claiming you are irresponsible does not insulate you from tort.


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faded mike

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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #65 on: March 24, 2018, 10:40:33 PM »
If the medicine was affordable, he could pay out of pocket. Or maybe a bank loan. Maybe hes more clear minded for not paying insurance, and so would do less damage in the evnt of an accident...
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Bullwinkle

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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #66 on: March 24, 2018, 10:48:11 PM »
If the medicine was affordable, he could pay out of pocket. Or maybe a bank loan. Maybe hes more clear minded for not paying insurance, and so would do less damage in the evnt of an accident...


What in the serious fuck are you saying?


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faded mike

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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #67 on: March 24, 2018, 11:14:47 PM »
I'm saying someone might take it upon themselves to be more careful.
"Using our vast surveillance system, we've uncovered revolutionary new information..."
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theoretical formula for Earths curvature = 8 inches multiplied by (miles squared) = inches drop from straight forward

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faded mike

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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #68 on: March 24, 2018, 11:21:46 PM »
Just thought id add my two cents. You know, like "the banks are just out to make money". I always here people say that. I dont have a real strong opinion on the matter, but if they're (the insurance companies) takin us for a ride, that seems like kindof a bad thing to me...
« Last Edit: March 24, 2018, 11:27:39 PM by faded mike »
"Using our vast surveillance system, we've uncovered revolutionary new information..."
           -them

theoretical formula for Earths curvature = 8 inches multiplied by (miles squared) = inches drop from straight forward

kids: say no to drugs

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faded mike

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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #69 on: March 24, 2018, 11:29:52 PM »
Let me be the judge of what risks to take in my own life, this is the land of the free, not the slaves, remember?
Don't tell me, let me guess.  I bet you don't vaccinate your kids or send them to the doctor when they get sick.

Someone who researched the matter told me they make vaccines out of all kinds of nasty stuff (HPV - dead pig embryo) can you confirm or deny?
"Using our vast surveillance system, we've uncovered revolutionary new information..."
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theoretical formula for Earths curvature = 8 inches multiplied by (miles squared) = inches drop from straight forward

kids: say no to drugs

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Bullwinkle

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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #70 on: March 25, 2018, 12:48:32 AM »
If the medicine was affordable, he could pay out of pocket. Or maybe a bank loan. Maybe hes more clear minded for not paying insurance, and so would do less damage in the evnt of an accident...

Yes, the mass of a vehicle smashing into green light cross traffic is dependent on the clear mindedness of the operator of the vehicle shirking responsibility and would naturally do far less damage than a vehicle being driven by an insured motorist.


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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #71 on: March 25, 2018, 02:19:57 AM »
Someone who researched the matter told me they make vaccines out of all kinds of nasty stuff (HPV - dead pig embryo) can you confirm or deny?
It could well be, though not sure why that matters.

Fecal transplantation is nowadays a fast, safe, and effective treatment. I don’t give a damn if is is poop or whatever as long as it is safe, and does the trick. Your mileage may, of course, vary.

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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #72 on: March 25, 2018, 11:43:14 AM »
No natter how invincible/infallible you believe yourself to be, you will one day tell this story to a to a succession of public servants.
No natter ? You mean he’s a nutter ?

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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #73 on: March 26, 2018, 04:54:56 AM »
After doing a little research, I have to disagree with you.  Stephenson vs Binford doesn’t address drivers licenses for private citizens.  At the time of the ruling less than half the states had any type of driver’s licenses and not all of those required private citizens to have them.  AAMOF, it is illegal to drive without a license in all 50 states.  Same goes for an unregistered vehicles. 

The fact is SCOTUS has never ruled on the constitutionality of a driver’s license for private citizens and I doubt you’ll ever see them even take on such a case.   However, a few state supreme courts have made such rulings and they have been upheld every time.   One such case in VA (Thompson v. Smith, 155 VA Supreme Court 1930):

The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon in the ordinary course of life and business is a common right which he has under his right to enjoy life and liberty, to acquire and possess property, and to pursue happiness and safety. It includes the right in so doing to use the ordinary and usual conveyances of the day; and under the existing modes of travel includes the right to drive a horse-drawn carriage or wagon thereon, or to operate an automobile thereon, for the usual and ordinary purposes of life and business. It is not a mere privilege, like the privilege of moving a house in the street, operating a business stand in the street, or transporting persons or property for hire along the street, which a city may permit or prohibit at will.

The exercise of such a common right the city may, under its police power, regulate in the interest of the public safety and welfare; but it may not arbitrarily or unreasonably prohibit or restrict it, nor may it permit one to exercise it and refuse to permit another of like qualifications, under like conditions and circumstances, to exercise it.

The regulation of the exercise of the right to drive a private automobile on the streets of the city may be accomplished in part by the city by granting, refusing, and revoking, under rules of general application, permits to drive an automobile on its streets; but such permits may not be arbitrarily refused or revoked, or permitted to be held by some and refused to other of like qualifications, under like circumstances and conditions.


While VA ruled it was a in fact a right of the citizen to travel on public roads it also upheld the ability to regulate how that was done “by granting, refusing, and revoking, under rules of general application”.  IOW, a private citizen can be required to have a driver’s license.  It is a stone cold fact that every time driver’s licenses for private citizens have come before a state Supreme Court the authority of that state to require licenses has never been challenged.  It has been upheld time after time. 

You might also be interested to hear that such case law exists in California.  In 1987 the California Supreme Court upheld the states mandatory auto insurance law.  Case law in California specifically requires you to have insurance on your car and upholds state laws concerning licenses and car registrations.  By California case law if you have a car that is being driven on the open road it must registered and have insurance.

It seems your case law argument doesn’t hold water.

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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #74 on: March 26, 2018, 08:26:54 AM »

It seems your case law argument doesn’t hold water.

Mike

Do you really think you're going to change the mind of someone who argues that the law doesn't apply to him because a vehicle is a "device" and a device is a "scheme to defraud"?

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N30

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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #75 on: March 26, 2018, 10:02:53 PM »

It seems your case law argument doesn’t hold water.

Mike

Do you really think you're going to change the mind of someone who argues that the law doesn't apply to him because a vehicle is a "device" and a device is a "scheme to defraud"?

Law? What law? The California Vehicle Code is not law, its a code. Which is exactly why traffic courts are statutory courts are not courts of record. And its also why traffic courts do not have juries, as is required by the constitution for all criminal court cases, because violating a code is not a crime.

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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #76 on: March 26, 2018, 10:45:56 PM »
Law? What law? The California Vehicle Code is not law, its a code. Which is exactly why traffic courts are statutory courts are not courts of record. And its also why traffic courts do not have juries, as is required by the constitution for all criminal court cases, because violating a code is not a crime.

So "Flat Earth Directly Benefits your Daily Life" by showing you how to steal money from the other residents of California!
I fail to see any connection between the Flat Earth and your defrauding others.

Do you wonder that many here regard you with utter disgust?
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Bullwinkle

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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2018, 02:40:20 AM »

It seems your case law argument doesn’t hold water.

Mike

Do you really think you're going to change the mind of someone who argues that the law doesn't apply to him because a vehicle is a "device" and a device is a "scheme to defraud"?

Law? What law? The California Vehicle Code is not law, its a code. Which is exactly why traffic courts are statutory courts are not courts of record. And its also why traffic courts do not have juries, as is required by the constitution for all criminal court cases, because violating a code is not a crime.

You can have a jury trial in traffic court.

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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #78 on: March 27, 2018, 02:53:46 AM »

It seems your case law argument doesn’t hold water.

Mike
Do you really think you're going to change the mind of someone who argues that the law doesn't apply to him because a vehicle is a "device" and a device is a "scheme to defraud"?

Law? What law? The California Vehicle Code is not law, its a code. Which is exactly why traffic courts are statutory courts are not courts of record. And its also why traffic courts do not have juries, as is required by the constitution for all criminal court cases, because violating a code is not a crime.

I guess you didn't read my post.  You stated "“Case law IS law"”.  I pointed that current case law contradicts your first post.  I showed you case law that directly supports the legality of states requiring driver’s licenses.  I even cited California case law upholding California’s mandatory car insurance law.

Further, SCOTUS case law (California v. Buzard,  382 U.S. 386 (1966)) states:

1. The condition in § 514(2)(b) for the exemption applicable to nonresident servicemen that they must have paid the licenses, fees, or excises "required by" the State of residence or domicile means that they must have paid such licenses, fees, or excises "of" that State. It was not Congress' intention to permit servicemen in respondent's position completely to avoid registration and licensing requirements, which are within the State's police power to impose. Servicemen may be required to register their cars and obtain license plates in host States if they do not do so in their home States, and may be required to pay all taxes essential thereto. Pp. 382 U. S. 391-392.

Case law from many states, including California, uphold requirements for licensing, registration, and insurance.

Case law from SCOTUS upholds a state’s right to require registration and license and that such requirements are enforceable by law enforcement.  Something the case law you cite in your fist post does not cover.

So I have to ask.  Do you believe case law IS law or not.  If so why doesn’t the case law cited above apply?

BTW, I don't know about California but some states to allow a jury trial in traffic court.

Mike
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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2018, 06:19:08 AM »

It seems your case law argument doesn’t hold water.

Mike

Do you really think you're going to change the mind of someone who argues that the law doesn't apply to him because a vehicle is a "device" and a device is a "scheme to defraud"?

Law? What law? The California Vehicle Code is not law, its a code. Which is exactly why traffic courts are statutory courts are not courts of record. And its also why traffic courts do not have juries, as is required by the constitution for all criminal court cases, because violating a code is not a crime.
Do you honestly think that codes do not carry the weight of law and that there are no penalties for violating them?
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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #80 on: March 27, 2018, 10:44:30 AM »

It seems your case law argument doesn’t hold water.

Mike

Do you really think you're going to change the mind of someone who argues that the law doesn't apply to him because a vehicle is a "device" and a device is a "scheme to defraud"?

Law? What law? The California Vehicle Code is not law, its a code. Which is exactly why traffic courts are statutory courts are not courts of record. And its also why traffic courts do not have juries, as is required by the constitution for all criminal court cases, because violating a code is not a crime.

In the phrase "the law doesn't apply to him" I was using the conversational, colloquial meaning of the word "law" -- a "system of rules that a particular country or community recognizes as regulating the actions of its members and may enforce by the imposition of penalties."

That you don't recognize that and perversely focus on other non-relevant precise definitions that are only applicable to other contexts is all that is necessary to understand you.

Which you have done spectacularly with this thread. We understand you perfectly.

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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #81 on: March 27, 2018, 04:19:39 PM »
My guess is he is a teenager who thinks he found a loophole no one else has ever discovered.  One of those teenagers who think they are smarter than everyone and can't understand why no one else can see this.

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« Reply #82 on: March 29, 2018, 04:34:09 PM »
My guess is he is a teenager who thinks he found a loophole no one else has ever discovered.  One of those teenagers who think they are smarter than everyone and can't understand why no one else can see this.


Basically you go to traffic court and the judge asks if you plead guilty or not guilty.
Plead guilty you typically get a reduced fine. Plead not guilty you go to trial and hope the officer dosen't show up. At trial you either pay $0 or full price.

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« Reply #83 on: March 29, 2018, 05:12:49 PM »
My guess is he is a teenager who thinks he found a loophole no one else has ever discovered.  One of those teenagers who think they are smarter than everyone and can't understand why no one else can see this.


Basically you go to traffic court and the judge asks if you plead guilty or not guilty.
Plead guilty you typically get a reduced fine. Plead not guilty you go to trial and hope the officer dosen't show up. At trial you either pay $0 or full price.
There are some pretty funny videos of morons trying this defense with traffic cops.  They always lose.

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« Reply #84 on: March 30, 2018, 12:36:12 AM »
Oh yes, there seems to be a ton of ”sovereign citizen” videos on YouTube!

Some traffic related stuff:



I wonder where N30 is?
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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #85 on: March 31, 2018, 07:24:53 PM »
I am in California, thats where I am. I'm traveling daily and not driving at all! I sure do appreciate all the money I am saving that would otherwise have been spent in ignorance. Thanks to those who spread truth like flat Earth! I even keep an employee commendation printout from the LA police department so if I ever get stopped, and the good officer needs to be educated in the rights of Americans, and lets me go without a fuss, he will get a wonderful mark on his employee record.

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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #86 on: March 31, 2018, 07:58:36 PM »
I am in California, thats where I am. I'm traveling daily and not driving at all! I sure do appreciate all the money I am saving that would otherwise have been spent in ignorance. Thanks to those who spread truth like flat Earth! I even keep an employee commendation printout from the LA police department so if I ever get stopped, and the good officer needs to be educated in the rights of Americans, and lets me go without a fuss, he will get a wonderful mark on his employee record.
And what has your "highway robbery" got to do with the Flat Earth. Plenty of those that don't believe the earth is flat are petty criminals too.

And I have no doubt that most flat earthers are law abiding citizens.

Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #87 on: March 31, 2018, 09:49:10 PM »
I am in California, thats where I am. I'm traveling daily and not driving at all! I sure do appreciate all the money I am saving that would otherwise have been spent in ignorance. Thanks to those who spread truth like flat Earth! I even keep an employee commendation printout from the LA police department so if I ever get stopped, and the good officer needs to be educated in the rights of Americans, and lets me go without a fuss, he will get a wonderful mark on his employee record.
There's no evidence that you're not just boasting here and not really doing the things you claim. Unless you provide evidence, I'm going to assume you're just lying and you only imagine you have the courage to do what you claim.

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faded mike

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Re: Flat Earth Directly Benefits My Daily Life
« Reply #88 on: March 31, 2018, 09:53:30 PM »
Wierd
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theoretical formula for Earths curvature = 8 inches multiplied by (miles squared) = inches drop from straight forward

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