FE map and the South Pole paradoxon

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FE map and the South Pole paradoxon
« on: January 06, 2018, 02:18:27 AM »
Having not received a single counter reply from any FES member to my question about the 'Australia paradoxon', I must assume that the FE community has no explanation for the shape and size mismatch on their FE map. 1:0 for my argumentation against its validity, thank you!

My next question to you FES people is about magnetic field theory:
Nobody can doubt that our Earth has a magnetic field. And that magnetic compass needles work,  without problems (the imminent upcoming pole switch and some declination effects left aside).

Now magnets are DIPOLES, as magnetic monopoles do NOT exist in our universe. Do not even think of trying to challenge Faraday, Maxwell or Einstein!!

The magnetic North pole on our globe is in the close vicinity of the geographical North pole.
In your FE map view it is right at the center of your alleged FE disk. So far, so good.
The magnetic South pole on our globe is close to the geographic south pole, actually quite a bit off these days at 107.38E, 80.31S. Even YOU can travel to this spot, it lies OUTSIDE of your magic forbidden zone. You can freely reach that spot today, unharmed by border guards and military defense systems preventing you from falling off the icy edge of your FE disk! Go there, have a look around, take your compass with you and see how it points DOWNWARD, along the magnetic field lines.

The magnetic field lines of our planet roughly follow the meridian (N/S) grids, some declination effects left aside. Your compass will always point south following any of these longitudes. And regardless of where you start from, be it Tokyo, New City, Canberra.., you ALL will eventually meet at ONE common southern most point, the magnetic south pole of our Earth.  Isn't that neat?
And it really does work, you can NOT deny or question this; oldfashioned compass needles and modern smartphone sensors will both agree! One common southernmost spot on this planet, geographically and magnetically - God is good to us!

Now where exactly is the magnetic SOUTH pole on your alleged flat Earth disk? Can you create a field line pattern that shows the shape and direction of magnetic field lines leading from the magnetic North to the South pole?
Remember to follow the unchallengable rules of magnetism: field lines  must be closed (connecting S and N).
And they need to match the directions of the compass needles, at ANY spot on our Earth!
And they need to follow the longitudinal grid lines on 'our' and on 'your' map as outlined above, so people can meet from anywhere if 'going south' along these.

Hint: on a solid magnetic disk (not a doughnut torus, no holes at our north pole!) both the N and S poles are along the center axle (top and bottom). The magnetic field lines start in the center, diverge to the outer rim, circle around the border of the disk and meet on the bottom side in the center again.
If you decide on that (legitimate) pattern on your FE map, then people from Tokyo and New York will never meet, but end up ca. 60,000km apart, somewhere along the outer icy rim of your disk!

Good luck, I am looking forward to seeing this magnetic topology of the FE map.

As usual I request that only FE believers and FE scientists may reply, to keep flame wars, trolls etc out of the game.
I want to read clean, scientifically valid replies only - thank you very much!


Ah: bonus points go to those FE folks that can develop a solid, realistic theory on how the flat, non-rotating Earth disk can generate a magnetic field. That also switches polarity every couple of hundred thousand years! Which forces could possibly apply, if there is no rotary "dynamo" momentum available at all?
The magnetic field generation of our "spherical Earth" is well understood these days, and geographic evidence for pole switching do exist at various placed on our globe. No fake news!


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JackBlack

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Re: FE map and the South Pole paradoxon
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2018, 03:29:12 AM »
If you are going to suggest a magic forbidden zone, then no, you wont always reach the south magnetic pole as lots of routes would take you through Antarctica.

With all the science they reject do you think they would accept magnetic field reversal?

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Re: FE map and the South Pole paradoxon
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2018, 06:13:30 AM »
Now magnets are DIPOLES, as magnetic monopoles do NOT exist in our universe. Do not even think of trying to challenge Faraday, Maxwell or Einstein!!
The flat Earth is a monopole.

Deal with it.

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Re: FE map and the South Pole paradoxon
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2018, 06:37:38 AM »
Now magnets are DIPOLES, as magnetic monopoles do NOT exist in our universe. Do not even think of trying to challenge Faraday, Maxwell or Einstein!!
The flat Earth is a monopole.

Deal with it.

Not true. Present your evidence.
Observation plus any experiment that one could carry out would disagree with you. If there is any getting over I think it would be time to learn how to do it.
Your challenge is to reply without a torrent of abuse. Remember the whole reason you use abuse is a combination of you admitting defeat along with your painful experiences when you were bullied as a child. Let if go and state your case normally.
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Oh for the love of- Logical formulation:
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Re: FE map and the South Pole paradoxon
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2018, 08:33:55 AM »
Now magnets are DIPOLES, as magnetic monopoles do NOT exist in our universe. Do not even think of trying to challenge Faraday, Maxwell or Einstein!!
The flat Earth is a monopole.

Deal with it.

Then Earth isn't flat. It's not a monopole.
Nullius in Verba

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totallackey

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Re: FE map and the South Pole paradoxon
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2018, 11:06:11 AM »
Now magnets are DIPOLES, as magnetic monopoles do NOT exist in our universe. Do not even think of trying to challenge Faraday, Maxwell or Einstein!!
The flat Earth is a monopole.

Deal with it.

Not true. Present your evidence.
Observation plus any experiment that one could carry out would disagree with you. If there is any getting over I think it would be time to learn how to do it.
Your challenge is to reply without a torrent of abuse. Remember the whole reason you use abuse is a combination of you admitting defeat along with your painful experiences when you were bullied as a child. Let if go and state your case normally.
Hey, I did not make the original claim.

The OP did.

It is up to him to prove monopoles do not exist.

There is nothing left for me to do here.

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EvolvedMantisShrimp

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Re: FE map and the South Pole paradoxon
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2018, 11:17:52 AM »
Now magnets are DIPOLES, as magnetic monopoles do NOT exist in our universe. Do not even think of trying to challenge Faraday, Maxwell or Einstein!!
The flat Earth is a monopole.

Deal with it.

Not true. Present your evidence.
Observation plus any experiment that one could carry out would disagree with you. If there is any getting over I think it would be time to learn how to do it.
Your challenge is to reply without a torrent of abuse. Remember the whole reason you use abuse is a combination of you admitting defeat along with your painful experiences when you were bullied as a child. Let if go and state your case normally.
Hey, I did not make the original claim.

The OP did.

It is up to him to prove monopoles do not exist.

There is nothing left for me to do here.

He doesn't have to prove monopoles don't exist if Earth isn't a monopole.
Nullius in Verba

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JackBlack

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Re: FE map and the South Pole paradoxon
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2018, 12:36:43 PM »
Now magnets are DIPOLES, as magnetic monopoles do NOT exist in our universe. Do not even think of trying to challenge Faraday, Maxwell or Einstein!!
The flat Earth is a monopole.

Deal with it.
Then why isn't the magnetic field just radiating out away from Earth?
Why does the magnetic inclination vary so much with it being positive in some places and negative in others?

Re: FE map and the South Pole paradoxon
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2018, 12:57:11 AM »

The silly discussion about 'magnetic monopoles' suggested by one comment show the total lack of scientific understanding.
Are you seriously suggesting the magnetic field theories of Maxwell e.a.?

Looks like a clear 2:0 against the FE theory. No magnetic field map provided, no demonstration how the compass needle would point south to a center pole as it clearly does.

Case closed, next topic.

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Dinosaur Neil

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Re: FE map and the South Pole paradoxon
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2018, 12:37:14 PM »
The ridiculous FE monopole theory is easily disprovable, because the magnetic poles aren't at the same location as the geographic poles.
The south magnetic pole is at 80.31°S latitude. It's actually off the coast of Antarctica at present. FE'ers freely accept that it's possible to travel to latitudes further south than that, indeed John Davis says he has done so. Once you are at a latitude further south than that, the north-pointing end of the compass would be pointing away from the north pole. Davis would have observed this effect. Yet you never hear a peep out of him about it.
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