Do you believe Apollo 11 was a hoax?

You really can't see the other footprints oriented similarly?  The one you have circled is actually two, one over the other, and there are partials just outside the upper left of the circle and another under the line on the lower right of the circle.  Do the Dutch not turn around by turning their feet?  Not really seeing what is supposedly impossible here.

Quote from: Here to laugh at you on January 08, 2018, 03:57:45 PM

1/6th gravity compared to Earth?

Maybe he jumped? It seemed to be one of the common activities on the Moon.

And landed on one foot. Jury gives it a 9.95

You can clearly see a second footprint. Directly under the circle, lower right.

There is a thread in Techno & Science that would have been of great assistance in resolving the OP topic.  It concerned whether human space travel is possible and used to reside in the upper fora.

Unfortunately for us and many, a group from the pack decided to make an issue that it should move out of upper fora.

Wrong with consequence.

We would have seen a response relative to space flight potential related to FET.  Once the chatter started about the potential move there was hesitation.  Then concept squashlng after the move.

Shame.

Watch what you ask for...to the max.   

You really can't see the other footprints oriented similarly?  The one you have circled is actually two, one over the other, and there are partials just outside the upper left of the circle and another under the line on the lower right of the circle.  Do the Dutch not turn around by turning their feet?  Not really seeing what is supposedly impossible here.

Ahhh frenat is back now the topic has moved away from how a vacuum treats scattered lunar reflections. I know in a vacuum soundwaves cannot propagate. You can bang on a rock all day without hearing a thing.

what about light ? Can surface reflections interact with your line of sight while you look towards the skies only? Can the moon's vacuum scatter the lunar reflections so that the starlight is dimmed

I was under the impression you were hiding under a rock ,but when i presented a photograph that was debunked by your Clavius co- workers you felt comfortable enough to respond again.
You simply have to ignore that stupid question and wait for something that Clavius have dealt with long ago.
You are indeed predictable my friend......

Well rabinoz, i would ''up the ante'' if i were you, because you could expect a severe pay cut in the near future 

Dutchy, you're a totally deluded idiot if you think that I or anybody else gets paid to post if this little backwater.

But, you have spent a lifetime trying to kill NASA.
I have not studied NASA or the lunar missions the way you have and I have no intention of doing so.

When I do answer specific points you to seem completely ignore what I say, simply ridicule them or come up with totally ridiculous impossible demands.

So, I really could not care less about what you come up with. And if win a debate here what have you achieved?  Nothing!

You somehow think you will prove something by debunking the moon landings, but it changes nothing!
It neither changes the shape of the earth nor all the evidence that the earth is a Globe.

So, dutchy, beat you brains out if you like, but it affects nothing!

Bye bye.

PS I couldn't care less what you think of me or what you say about me.
      I'm simply a retiree who taken a bit of an interest how people can believe in a flat earth, consider all the contrary evidence.

Quote from: frenat on January 08, 2018, 04:20:52 PM

You really can't see the other footprints oriented similarly?  The one you have circled is actually two, one over the other, and there are partials just outside the upper left of the circle and another under the line on the lower right of the circle.  Do the Dutch not turn around by turning their feet?  Not really seeing what is supposedly impossible here.

Ahhh frenat is back now the topic has moved away from how a vacuum treats scattered lunar reflections. I know in a vacuum soundwaves cannot propagate.

True, so what?

You can bang on a rock all day without hearing a thing.

False. Rocks can conduct sound. Tools can conduct sound. Spacesuits can conduct sound.

what about light ? Can surface reflections interact with your line of sight while you look towards the skies only?

Yes, when wearing a tinted face mask and helmet that can reflect light. Not only that, but the human eye can take considerable time to adjust.
You seem to ignore the fact than one astronaut did report seeing a few of the brighter stars from a shaded location.
Then you forget that the sources of light include the sun, an extremely bright lunar surface and a bright earth, though I don't know if that was significant.

Can the moon's vacuum scatter the lunar reflections so that the starlight is dimmed [/b]

No, so what?

But, dutchy, I haven't been to the moon so have never been able to check if these ideas are correct, but then neither have you!

Quote from: frenat on January 08, 2018, 04:20:52 PM

You really can't see the other footprints oriented similarly?  The one you have circled is actually two, one over the other, and there are partials just outside the upper left of the circle and another under the line on the lower right of the circle.  Do the Dutch not turn around by turning their feet?  Not really seeing what is supposedly impossible here.

Ahhh frenat is back now the topic has moved away from how a vacuum treats scattered lunar reflections. I know in a vacuum soundwaves cannot propagate. You can bang on a rock all day without hearing a thing.

what about light ? Can surface reflections interact with your line of sight while you look towards the skies only? Can the moon's vacuum scatter the lunar reflections so that the starlight is dimmed

I was under the impression you were hiding under a rock ,but when i presented a photograph that was debunked by your Clavius co- workers you felt comfortable enough to respond again.
You simply have to ignore that stupid question and wait for something that Clavius have dealt with long ago.
You are indeed predictable my friend......

ah Dutchy is avoiding the actual questions and trying to change the subject.  I had other things to do with my life and as YOU had moved away from the subject I was discussing I didn't see a need to get involved.  I would have replied sooner on the pic but I seriously thought you were joking at first as there are other footprints visible and it shouldn't be impossible for someone to turn around.  But we'll never really know as you have decided to change the subject and move onto character assassination instead.  How sad for you.  Should I assume you then can see the partial footprints and are retracting your ludicrous claim about the footprints?

sound can move through suits and other objects. Not everyone on the Moon was in the exact same conditions.  Actually quite humorous that you keep posting as if they should all have had the same experiences.  but I've found it quite unpleasant trying to discuss anything with you.  You come across as angry and often change the subject ignoring what is posted.  You don't seem like a happy person. Why should I bother responding to everything you have to say?

I have no clavius co-workers.  As far as I'm aware, Clavius.org is owned and operated by ONE person.  Sad attempt as shill gambit noted.

what about light ? Can surface reflections interact with your line of sight while you look towards the skies only?

Despite the black sky, the lunar landings were done during daylight hours on the moon.  The same lighting conditions on earth that cause your pupils to shrink and let in less light exist on the moon.

but I've found it quite unpleasant trying to discuss anything with you. 

I am not here to please you or anyone in particular...... so your 'feelings' about me can be whatever you want them to be.

You come across as angry and often change the subject ignoring what is posted. 

Again...you are fully entitled to experience my behaviour the way you feel.
You often refuse to answer questions about interviews and conflicting statements and run for the hills when confronted...... or do reply without getting into what i said or asked.
A very common tactic from NASA fanboys and shills.

You don't seem like a happy person.

And ? I will do everything to keep my private live/ feelings on online fora seperated.
I am only here for my own research and looking for answers,.... not to built a social club or have some virtual oversees friends.

whu should I bother responding to everything you have to say?

You are fully entitled when and where you reply and to whome...... that's the very nature of a forum..as long as you keep it civilised...... which you do in my opinion.

I have no clavius co-workers.  As far as I'm aware, Clavius.org is owned and operated by ONE person.  Sad attempt as shill gambit noted.

Clavius is probably your main database to look up stuff to debunk Apollo deniers.
There are a hanfull of troopers like you who have gone to the very edges of the internet ( like this place) to defend the official NASA story line.
Like i have pointed out to you..... the bizare amount of forums and articles that had your name in their database...... even the David Icke forums wasn't a bridge to far to spread your pro Apollo views.

Yes i don't like frenat the Apollo defender, you could be a very good husband and noble person in real life..... who am i to judge you.....but i will probly not meet that person.

Quote from: frenat on January 09, 2018, 06:22:07 AM

but I've found it quite unpleasant trying to discuss anything with you. 

I am not here to please you or anyone in particular...... so your 'feelings' about me can be whatever you want them to be.

I never said you were.  I was explaining why I personally haven't engaged as much as you seem to want to be engaged.  Do try to keep up.

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You come across as angry and often change the subject ignoring what is posted. 

Again...you are fully entitled to experience my behaviour the way you feel.
You often refuse to answer questions about interviews and conflicting statements and run for the hills when confronted...... or do reply without getting into what i said or asked.
A very common tactic from NASA fanboys and shills.

never refused.  Please find where I specifically refused.  Watching and laughing at you is not refusing. Ignoring you when you repeatedly change the subject is not refusing.  So are you or are you not backing off your footprint claim then?

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You don't seem like a happy person.

And ? I will do everything to keep my private live/ feelings on online fora seperated.
I am only here for my own research and looking for answers,.... not to built a social club or have some virtual oversees friends.

Just a statement.  Never said you were here to build a social club or have "virtual overseas friends". 

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whu should I bother responding to everything you have to say?

You are fully entitled when and where you reply and to whome...... that's the very nature of a forum..as long as you keep it civilised...... which you do in my opinion.

Now I'm fully entitled but if I don't then you go on a rant.  Hilarious.

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I have no clavius co-workers.  As far as I'm aware, Clavius.org is owned and operated by ONE person.  Sad attempt as shill gambit noted.

Clavius is probably your main database to look up stuff to debunk Apollo deniers.

your opinion only.  I rarely go to the site.

There are a hanfull of troopers like you who have gone to the very edges of the internet ( like this place) to defend the official NASA story line.
Like i have pointed out to you..... the bizare amount of forums and articles that had your name in their database...... even the David Icke forums wasn't a bridge to far to spread your pro Apollo views.

And as I've pointed out to you, I've only been active on 1 or 2 at a time and have been online with the same name for a while.  It is only your opinion that it is a "bizarre" amount.  I've commented on subjects I'm interested in.  That is not a crime.  As for the David Icke forum I didn't comment on the lizard crap.  That you can't seem to separate the two is YOUR problem.

Yes i don't like frenat the Apollo defender, you could be a very good husband and noble person in real life..... who am i to judge you.....but i will probly not meet that person.

tough shit.

Are David Icke and flat earthers in cahoots?

So, it looks like the "footprint issue" has been resolved...

Zero points for the NASAphobe.

So, it looks like the "footprint issue" has been resolved...

Zero points for the NASAphobe.

Sorry but could you , frenat and badxtoss have some consultation and give me your democratic unified answer, so i can focus on thinking about that, instead of answering all different explainations coming my way.....

Quote from: Here to laugh at you on January 09, 2018, 07:50:27 AM

So, it looks like the "footprint issue" has been resolved...

Zero points for the NASAphobe.

Sorry but could you , frenat and badxtoss have some consultation and give me your democratic unified answer, so i can focus on thinking about that, instead of answering all different explainations coming my way.....

Sure as soon as you and all the other flat earthers present a unified model complete with a map.
The problem is you present something, you are given a reasonable  explaination for it, you ignore that and claim it is 100% proof.  You then claim that everyone who disagrees with your crazy conspiracy is, themselves in on the conspiracy.

Quote from: dutchy on January 09, 2018, 08:03:12 AM

Quote from: Here to laugh at you on January 09, 2018, 07:50:27 AM

So, it looks like the "footprint issue" has been resolved...

Zero points for the NASAphobe.

Sorry but could you , frenat and badxtoss have some consultation and give me your democratic unified answer, so i can focus on thinking about that, instead of answering all different explainations coming my way.....

Sure as soon as you and all the other flat earthers present a unified model complete with a map.
The problem is you present something, you are given a reasonable  explaination for it, you ignore that and claim it is 100% proof.  You then claim that everyone who disagrees with your crazy conspiracy is, themselves in on the conspiracy.

No , to be honest i new exactly what would happen  after i posted that picture..... i always try to look for the possible debunking answers online, so inunderstand better what's coming when showing an Apollo photograph with anomalies.
So no surprise here.....althaugh it is clearly a studio fakery......

The Italian filmmaker Massimo Mazzucci agrees,.....who spoke to the best of the best in photography both present and past to show the Apollo footage. The headphotographer of the worldwide campaign of United colors of Benneton said he could have done a much better job faking, because it is so easy to see why it is a studio production for the professional eye.

I want conformation of 'your' bias now and then..... and hopefully find a more open mind, but whatever Apollo photograph is displayed your conclusion is beforehand that it is genuine 200% ..... that much is an absolute certainty.
I never had a reason to doubt Apollo, untill i realised that i was only kidding myself.
Now it's your turn.....

Here is a link to the full image.

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/images/589552main_as11-40-5875_full.jpg

Dutchy, you are a complete conspiracy fucktard. nothing you say contains a shred of credibility.

So, you have THAT going for you.

Here is a link to the full image.

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/images/589552main_as11-40-5875_full.jpg

Dutchy, you are a complete conspiracy fucktard. nothing you say contains a shred of credibility.

So, you have THAT going for you.

Unfortunately there is a lot of that going on on thiis website. It's not just dutchy.

Here is a link to the full image.

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/images/589552main_as11-40-5875_full.jpg

Dutchy, you are a complete conspiracy fucktard. nothing you say contains a shred of credibility.

So, you have THAT going for you.

I understand that you feel insecure when your reality is coming down.......we are here to guide you !
And i guess you know that, because why would you stick around for so long , other than to find out more ?
I consider your posting style a hypothetical ''cry for help''.

I cannot think of one single reason that i would spend so much time on a forum i consider totally bollocks, and constantly triggers my negative emotions and activates redicule i have to throw up every other post.

Yes, yes...i know you are here for your daily dosis fun and laughter also......

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 09, 2018, 08:26:27 AM

Quote from: dutchy on January 09, 2018, 08:03:12 AM

Quote from: Here to laugh at you on January 09, 2018, 07:50:27 AM

So, it looks like the "footprint issue" has been resolved...

Zero points for the NASAphobe.

Sorry but could you , frenat and badxtoss have some consultation and give me your democratic unified answer, so i can focus on thinking about that, instead of answering all different explainations coming my way.....

Sure as soon as you and all the other flat earthers present a unified model complete with a map.
The problem is you present something, you are given a reasonable  explaination for it, you ignore that and claim it is 100% proof.  You then claim that everyone who disagrees with your crazy conspiracy is, themselves in on the conspiracy.

No , to be honest i new exactly what would happen  after i posted that picture..... i always try to look for the possible debunking answers online, so inunderstand better what's coming when showing an Apollo photograph with anomalies.

So you knew that people would see your lie that there is only a "single booth print in the opposite direction" and you lied anyway?

Well, every time I start getting bored, you throw some other nonsense out here, trying to justify your belief in absolute bullshit.

You can't fool yourself, dutchy, even you know your flat earth NASAphobic beliefs are insane.

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 09, 2018, 08:26:27 AM

Quote from: dutchy on January 09, 2018, 08:03:12 AM

Quote from: Here to laugh at you on January 09, 2018, 07:50:27 AM

So, it looks like the "footprint issue" has been resolved...

Zero points for the NASAphobe.

Sorry but could you , frenat and badxtoss have some consultation and give me your democratic unified answer, so i can focus on thinking about that, instead of answering all different explainations coming my way.....

Sure as soon as you and all the other flat earthers present a unified model complete with a map.
The problem is you present something, you are given a reasonable  explaination for it, you ignore that and claim it is 100% proof.  You then claim that everyone who disagrees with your crazy conspiracy is, themselves in on the conspiracy.

No , to be honest i new exactly what would happen  after i posted that picture..... i always try to look for the possible debunking answers online, so inunderstand better what's coming when showing an Apollo photograph with anomalies.
So no surprise here.....althaugh it is clearly a studio fakery......

The Italian filmmaker Massimo Mazzucci agrees,.....who spoke to the best of the best in photography both present and past to show the Apollo footage. The headphotographer of the worldwide campaign of United colors of Benneton said he could have done a much better job faking, because it is so easy to see why it is a studio production for the professional eye.

I want conformation of 'your' bias now and then..... and hopefully find a more open mind, but whatever Apollo photograph is displayed your conclusion is beforehand that it is genuine 200% ..... that much is an absolute certainty.
I never had a reason to doubt Apollo, untill i realised that i was only kidding myself.
Now it's your turn.....

My turn for what?  The idea that the moon landings could be fake has been around a long time and has nothing to do with a flat earth.  I've looked into quite a bit and have still seen nothing like compelling evidence for it. 
Every so called anomaly is generally easily explained.  Or just straight up dishonest, like that video, I think it's in this thread, where they say look an astronaut uses the wires to pull himself up.  They claim no one helps him but then show the video where you can clearly see the other astronaut helping him up.
So, as always I await some actual evidence from you, or anyone to show NASA lies or fakery.

My turn for what?  The idea that the moon landings could be fake has been around a long time and has nothing to do with a flat earth.  I've looked into quite a bit and have still seen nothing like compelling evidence for it. 
Every so called anomaly is generally easily explained.  Or just straight up dishonest, like that video, I think it's in this thread, where they say look an astronaut uses the wires to pull himself up.  They claim no one helps him but then show the video where you can clearly see the other astronaut helping him up.
So, as always I await some actual evidence from you, or anyone to show NASA lies or fakery.

The proposterous idea alone that astronauts moving in 1/6 gravity on film,ooks exactly like film slomotion should be another major indication of fakery (slowed down and slightly speed up again to be precise, as Jarrah White so accurately has demonstrated in one of his many online video's with accurate data and discloser of this supposed realtime footage)

Apart from the discussion what the moon is......i\on the hypothetical moon, as claimed by modern cosmology, an astronaut would move around in moon motion, not film slomotion.
My daughter is a national level trampoline gymnast and when people experience a real trampoline in competition for the very first time (i have done it on few occasions), their muscles and limbs have to adjust to a total new/unknown situation, resulting in strange and abrupt movements.
After a trip crammed into a tiny spaceship for days, we should have seen humans dealing with a unknown situation, expressed in moon motion....whatever special motion that is.....
But it could never ever be film slow motion as shown in the Apollo footage....when the Apollo footage is speed up (Jarrah White's approach) the astronaut's movement is indistinguishable compared to a person wearing a spacesuit on earth and walking around in a studio environment.

Of course i fully understand you believe in Apollo,......your critical thinking has a very low standard to begin with........then everything looks like it should be.
Moon motion that looks like film slow motion ? How extremely gullible can people be ?
Does walking on land and walking under water look the same ?
Does walking in earth's atmosphere and walking on the moon's vacuum in 1/6 gravity look the same ? (when you speed up the film slomo)
No wonder the powers that be can fill their pockets with ease and let you (and me) pay for it........

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 09, 2018, 11:04:19 AM

My turn for what?  The idea that the moon landings could be fake has been around a long time and has nothing to do with a flat earth.  I've looked into quite a bit and have still seen nothing like compelling evidence for it. 
Every so called anomaly is generally easily explained.  Or just straight up dishonest, like that video, I think it's in this thread, where they say look an astronaut uses the wires to pull himself up.  They claim no one helps him but then show the video where you can clearly see the other astronaut helping him up.
So, as always I await some actual evidence from you, or anyone to show NASA lies or fakery.

The proposterous idea alone that astronauts moving in 1/6 gravity on film,ooks exactly like film slomotion should be another major indication of fakery (slowed down and slightly speed up again to be precise, as Jarrah White so accurately has demonstrated in one of his many online video's with accurate data and discloser of this supposed realtime footage)

Apart from the discussion what the moon is......i\on the hypothetical moon, as claimed by modern cosmology, an astronaut would move around in moon motion, not film slomotion.
My daughter is a national level trampoline gymnast and when people experience a real trampoline in competition for the very first time (i have done it on few occasions), their muscles and limbs have to adjust to a total new/unknown situation, resulting in strange and abrupt movements.
After a trip crammed into a tiny spaceship for days, we should have seen humans dealing with a unknown situation, expressed in moon motion....whatever special motion that is.....
But it could never ever be film slow motion as shown in the Apollo footage....when the Apollo footage is speed up (Jarrah White's approach) the astronaut's movement is indistinguishable compared to a person wearing a spacesuit on earth and walking around in a studio environment.

Of course i fully understand you believe in Apollo,......your critical thinking has a very low standard to begin with........then everything looks like it should be.
Moon motion that looks like film slow motion ? How extremely gullible can people be ?
Does walking on land and walking under water look the same ?
Does walking in earth's atmosphere and walking on the moon's vacuum in 1/6 gravity look the same ? (when you speed up the film slomo)
No wonder the powers that be can fill their pockets with ease and let you (and me) pay for it........

So your argument is because someone has figured out how to somewhat simulate it it must be fake?  You claim they aren't moving right then say that you have no idea what "right" movement would look like.  Then you say they are moving around too easily, you know this because you got on a trampoline.  Right.  But you seem to ignore all of the footage of them falling and struggling to deal with the lighter gravity.
We are back to, it doesn't look right to you.  I ask for actual evidence, you say it doesn't look right.
And you think I'm the one that lacks critical thinking skills?

RE: The power lines phenomenon of Lake Pontchartrain were settled to be a victory for FE.

Settled, as in agreed by all sides? Where? Post a link. This is a lie.

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2018, 07:03:29 AM

Still waiting on you to show any proof.

Apollo 11 photo AS11-40-5875


You have to rely on pseudo science and a google search to explain away this single booth print in the opposite direction.

It is one of hundreds of examples i can give......
Yeah like many things it is explained away with some grazy arguments that for some reason have power over you.
It doesn't matter what i show you, no matter how clear,......you will not consider anything as proof.

If it's not possible for this to happen on the Moon, then it's also not possible for it to happen on the Earth on a film set, so basically you are destroying your own argument if you think this means anything at all.

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 09, 2018, 11:04:19 AM

My turn for what?  The idea that the moon landings could be fake has been around a long time and has nothing to do with a flat earth.  I've looked into quite a bit and have still seen nothing like compelling evidence for it. 
Every so called anomaly is generally easily explained.  Or just straight up dishonest, like that video, I think it's in this thread, where they say look an astronaut uses the wires to pull himself up.  They claim no one helps him but then show the video where you can clearly see the other astronaut helping him up.
So, as always I await some actual evidence from you, or anyone to show NASA lies or fakery.

The proposterous idea alone that astronauts moving in 1/6 gravity on film,ooks exactly like film slomotion should be another major indication of fakery (slowed down and slightly speed up again to be precise, as Jarrah White so accurately has demonstrated in one of his many online video's with accurate data and discloser of this supposed realtime footage)

Apart from the discussion what the moon is......i\on the hypothetical moon, as claimed by modern cosmology, an astronaut would move around in moon motion, not film slomotion.
My daughter is a national level trampoline gymnast and when people experience a real trampoline in competition for the very first time (i have done it on few occasions), their muscles and limbs have to adjust to a total new/unknown situation, resulting in strange and abrupt movements.
After a trip crammed into a tiny spaceship for days, we should have seen humans dealing with a unknown situation, expressed in moon motion....whatever special motion that is.....

Does this look like moon motion or slow motion to you?

But it could never ever be film slow motion as shown in the Apollo footage....when the Apollo footage is speed up (Jarrah White's approach) the astronaut's movement is indistinguishable compared to a person wearing a spacesuit on earth and walking around in a studio environment.

You seem to forget that the bulkiness of the suit is only 1/2 the problem.  Don't forget that the suit is pressurized to about 5 psi over ambient pressure (essentially zero psi).  That over pressurization leads to some very stiff movements within the suit.

Of course i fully understand you believe in Apollo,......your critical thinking has a very low standard to begin with........then everything looks like it should be.

Critical thinking.  I assume that you're typing that with a straight face, although I'm not quite sure how.

The proposterous idea alone that astronauts moving in 1/6 gravity on film,ooks exactly like film slomotion should be another major indication of fakery (slowed down and slightly speed up again to be precise, as Jarrah White so accurately has demonstrated in one of his many online video's with accurate data and discloser of this supposed realtime footage)

Apart from the discussion what the moon is......on the hypothetical moon, as claimed by modern cosmology, an astronaut would move around in moon motion, not film slomotion.
My daughter is a national level trampoline gymnast and when people experience a real trampoline in competition for the very first time (i have done it on few occasions), their muscles and limbs have to adjust to a total new/unknown situation, resulting in strange and abrupt movements.
After a trip crammed into a tiny spaceship for days, we should have seen humans dealing with a unknown situation, expressed in moon motion....whatever special motion that is.....
But it could never ever be film slow motion as shown in the Apollo footage....when the Apollo footage is speed up (Jarrah White's approach) the astronaut's movement is indistinguishable compared to a person wearing a spacesuit on earth and walking around in a studio environment.

I'm curious, dutchy, is this the same Jarrah White that posts so much material that strongly supports LEO human space mission?
Or this Jarrah White that hits out so hard against, "Flat Earthers and Space Travel Deniers"?Or this Jarrah White that strongly supports the SpaceX program?How is it that one of your authorities on the "manned moon landing hoax" hammers the flat earth and strongly supports unmanned lunar mission and even LEO manned mission, like the ISS.

I'm just a little curious as I have so often claimed:
Even if you debunk the Apollo missions, what have you proved about space travel and the shape of the earth?
Nothing, nada, zilch, no a brass razoo!

But beat you brains out if you like, it's not my problem!

Quote from: dutchy on January 09, 2018, 11:41:24 AM

The proposterous idea alone that astronauts moving in 1/6 gravity on film,ooks exactly like film slomotion should be another major indication of fakery (slowed down and slightly speed up again to be precise, as Jarrah White so accurately has demonstrated in one of his many online video's with accurate data and discloser of this supposed realtime footage)

Apart from the discussion what the moon is......on the hypothetical moon, as claimed by modern cosmology, an astronaut would move around in moon motion, not film slomotion.
My daughter is a national level trampoline gymnast and when people experience a real trampoline in competition for the very first time (i have done it on few occasions), their muscles and limbs have to adjust to a total new/unknown situation, resulting in strange and abrupt movements.
After a trip crammed into a tiny spaceship for days, we should have seen humans dealing with a unknown situation, expressed in moon motion....whatever special motion that is.....
But it could never ever be film slow motion as shown in the Apollo footage....when the Apollo footage is speed up (Jarrah White's approach) the astronaut's movement is indistinguishable compared to a person wearing a spacesuit on earth and walking around in a studio environment.

I'm curious, dutchy, is this the same Jarrah White that posts so much material that strongly supports LEO human space mission?

Jarrah White proves Jeranism is a LIAR: Addendum. Dimitar Dimitrov debunked. Jarrah White Oh great, more BS from Space Travel Deniers to clean up. What did I do wrong in a past life?

Or this Jarrah White that hits out so hard against, "Flat Earthers and Space Travel Deniers"?

Jarrah White's response to Flat Earthers and Space Travel Deniers. Jarrah White "Our shuttles routinely blast off to orbit the Earth. There is not a single doubt that man is in space!" Ralph René

Or this Jarrah White that strongly supports the SpaceX program?

SpaceX: How the Falcon 9 survived Reentry. Jarrah White It's that time of the year again. The historic anniversary of Vostok 1, my mother's birthday, and the day JW Studios came to YouTube 11 years ago today.

How is it that one of your authorities on the "manned moon landing hoax" hammers the flat earth and strongly supports unmanned lunar mission and even LEO manned mission, like the ISS.

I'm just a little curious as I have so often claimed:
Even if you debunk the Apollo missions, what have you proved about space travel and the shape of the earth?
Nothing, nada, zilch, no a brass razoo!

But beat you brains out if you like, it's not my problem!

Because people can be totally right about one aspect of certain research can't they ?
That is of course not possible in your one dimensional worldview........as you have proved again and again.

I can support Jarrah white, because his Apollo research is top notch...and i can respectfully disagree with his other views can't i ??

I think this is a form of logic that is way over your head !!

Because people can be totally right about one aspect of certain research can't they ?
That is of course not possible in your one dimensional worldview........as you have proved again and again.

I can support Jarrah white, because his Apollo research is top notch...and i can respectfully disagree with his other views can't i ??

And you, in your wisdom claim to have the expertise to select evidence that is correct and discard the rest?
Are you sure that you are not always just picking and choosing the bits of evidence that match your preconceived ideas - otherwise called confirmation bias?

I think this is a form of logic that is way over your head !!

Really? Just as reality is a concept foreign to you.

Have you worked out yet how the ISS manages to appear over much of the earth at the predicted time and location in the night sky?Go ahead ridicule it all you like! But remember little people ridicule what they cannot understand.

Quote from: gotham on January 07, 2018, 03:36:17 PM

RE: The power lines phenomenon of Lake Pontchartrain were settled to be a victory for FE.

Settled, as in agreed by all sides? Where? Post a link. This is a lie.

Quote from: dutchy on January 08, 2018, 03:01:01 PM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2018, 07:03:29 AM

Still waiting on you to show any proof.

Apollo 11 photo AS11-40-5875


You have to rely on pseudo science and a google search to explain away this single booth print in the opposite direction.

It is one of hundreds of examples i can give......
Yeah like many things it is explained away with some grazy arguments that for some reason have power over you.
It doesn't matter what i show you, no matter how clear,......you will not consider anything as proof.

If it's not possible for this to happen on the Moon, then it's also not possible for it to happen on the Earth on a film set, so basically you are destroying your own argument if you think this means anything at all.

As you can see in this uncropped version, it is next to the flag: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/NASA_AS-11-40-5875.jpg

This means it was covered by both the 16mm and SSTV camera.
All we have to do is look through this footage:



And eventually we will see the action made by the astronaut that planted the 'wrong' footprint.

"The V-2 (German: Vergeltungswaffe 2, "Retribution Weapon 2"), technical name Aggregat 4 (A4),
was the world's first long-range[4] guided ballistic missile. The missile, powered by a liquid-propellant
rocket engine, was developed during the Second World War in Germany as a "vengeance weapon",
assigned to attack Allied cities as retaliation for the Allied bombings against German cities.
The V-2 rocket also became the first man-made object to travel into space by crossing the
Kármán line with the vertical launch of MW 18014 on 20 June 1944."

"The A-4 used a 74% ethanol/water mixture (B-Stoff) for fuel and liquid oxygen (LOX) (A-Stoff) for oxidizer.
At launch the A-4 propelled itself for up to 65 seconds on its own power, and a program motor controlled the
pitch to the specified angle at engine shutdown, after which the rocket continued on a ballistic free-fall trajectory.
The rocket reached a height of 80 km (50 mi) after shutting off the engine.
The fuel and oxidizer pumps were driven by a steam turbine, and the steam was produced by concentrated hydrogen
peroxide with sodium permanganate catalyst. Both the alcohol and oxygen tanks were an aluminium-magnesium alloy."

So, if they were reaching altitudes of 50 miles, I almost don't have a reason to doubt the 65 miles on that particular one.
It would drastically change the ballistic, but this one most likely was an exception, not sent to bomb UK.

The guy who published this image could add any gren rectangle and put whatever number needed to calculate convenient purple arc.
You would swallow anything, just to force people into Flat Earth belief.

WHAT IS THE REAL VIEWING ANGLE OF THE CAMERA IN THE PICTURE ?

P.S.: I begin to doubt your Dutch origin.
People from Netherland are smarter than that.
Are you an immigrant?
Do you know what is Taqiyya?