Net Neutrality: WTF is it?

They lied.

They lied.

I don't think so.
But obviously apples encryption and especially their fingerprint sensors etc are not save against the nsa. But that usually shouldnt be too big of a concern, unless you are planting bombs somewhere.

Oh, the fingerprint sensor got cracked within a few weeks of being released.  An oversimplified version was shown in the Ant-Man movie.  It's the PIN that causes the problem because you can set the security to wipe your phone after so many wrong entries in a row.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on November 26, 2017, 01:39:40 PM

They lied.

I don't think so.
But obviously apples encryption and especially their fingerprint sensors etc are not save against the nsa. But that usually shouldnt be too big of a concern, unless you are planting bombs somewhere.

It is a big concern in a country that is supposed to be against that sort of thing. In the US the govt is not supposed to nose around in anyone's business without probable cause.

Quote from: markjo on November 26, 2017, 01:06:40 PM

Quote from: User324 on November 26, 2017, 12:47:15 PM

Quote from: markjo on November 26, 2017, 12:40:46 PM

Right, and Apple can unlock anybody's iPhone whenever law enforcement wants.

Actually, there was that big law suit when the fbi wanted apple to unlock an iphone for them and they didn't do it.

Ummm...  Yeah, I know.  Apple said that they designed the encryption so that even they couldn't break it.

Hmm... I never thought of Apple as a company with the decency to do that...

I would not be surprised if it was only publicity that Apple would not co-operate with the FBI but behind the scenes they told the FBI told all they needed to know.

Oh, the fingerprint sensor got cracked within a few weeks of being released.  An oversimplified version was shown in the Ant-Man movie.  It's the PIN that causes the problem because you can set the security to wipe your phone after so many wrong entries in a row.

If I remember correctly the encryption was never the problem.  That appears to be solid.  What the FBI wanted was a way to reset the try count on unlocking it.  The problem is that that tool would give the FBI a way to break into pretty much anyone's iPhone. 

You can look at it as an integrity move on Apple's part.  But it's also self serving.  People want to believe that their data is secure.  If the iPhone is effectively cracked then they'll lose customers.

I wouldn't worry a whole lot about Trump fucking with encryption.  Mostly because I seriously doubt that he understands what encryption is.

I wouldn't worry a whole lot about Trump fucking with encryption.  Mostly because I seriously doubt that he understands what encryption is.

I doubt that Trump understands what net neutrality is either, but that doesn't seem to stop him from wanting it to go away.

He wants to get rid of anything Obama's administration did.

Murican politic is even more retarded than it's citizens. Q.e.d.

Anyway, IF the worst case happend, couldn't you just use a vpn?

I might be wrong about this, but I don't think a vpn would solve the problem. It would stop your ISP from knowing where you went on the net, but you would still be accessing the websites of companies that could be affected by the speed throttling. If you have Comcast and they decide to throttle this site, packets coming from this site would move slower through its network. All the while, Comcast boosted the speed of the other site, meaning people would be more likely to go there since the pages wouldn't take a 30 seconds to load.

Now, I could be completely off base there and it may take the customer's network signal to recognize where the packets came from, thus removing all the speed changes done by the ISP. I also don't think an ISP could ban vpns because a lot of companies and government entities use vpn accounts for their remote staff.  But most towns have 1 or 2 choices of providers, so the ISPs could really do whatever the fuck they wanted.

I might be wrong about this, but I don't think a vpn would solve the problem. It would stop your ISP from knowing where you went on the net, but you would still be accessing the websites of companies that could be affected by the speed throttling. If you have Comcast and they decide to throttle this site, packets coming from this site would move slower through its network. All the while, Comcast boosted the speed of the other site, meaning people would be more likely to go there since the pages wouldn't take a 30 seconds to load.

Oh, but if you use a VPN the ISP doesn't see which site you access, neither does the site you access know which ISP you are using. So they have no way to drossel your speed, especially because your traffic with VPN is encrypted.

Right, but they aren't throttling speeds at the person level. Rather it's at the content provider level. So they are throttling the speeds of sites right out the gate.

Right, but they aren't throttling speeds at the person level. Rather it's at the content provider level. So they are throttling the speeds of sites right out the gate.

What? They are not at the gate of youtube etc. The gate they could see is the one of the VPN provider. What is behind that gate (e.g. youtube) would be past their vision.
As far as I know the hierarchie is like that:
You -> ISP -> VPN -> site you access (and then all that backwards)

I stand corrected. However, they could simply apply the throttle to VPNs in general.

Edit: They could even take it one step further. They could set up their own VPN hosting service, provide a fast lane to that service and throttle all other VPN providers. That way they can still control the speed of sites going through their fast vpn and can make all others trying to bypass their speed setup suffer.

We are about to be awesome like the Portuguese!

At least myspace is free!

As long as pornhub and xvideos would stay free it's all good in my opinion.

I think there's a reddit sub freaking out about porn.

I think there's a reddit sub freaking out about porn.

Lol, fucking degenerates.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on November 27, 2017, 12:32:44 PM

I think there's a reddit sub freaking out about porn.

Lol, fucking degenerates.

No form of entertainment grows a medium faster in the mainstream than porn.

Quote from: User324 on November 27, 2017, 12:33:30 PM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on November 27, 2017, 12:32:44 PM

I think there's a reddit sub freaking out about porn.

Lol, fucking degenerates.

No form of entertainment grows a medium faster in the mainstream than porn.

I didn't claim different.

We are about to be awesome like the Portuguese!

Wtf is this atrocity?

Quote from: crutonius on November 27, 2017, 10:42:51 AM

We are about to be awesome like the Portuguese!

Wtf is this atrocity?

This is how internet service works in Portugal.  There is no net neutrality there so ISP's can block whatever they want and charge you to unblock it.

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on November 27, 2017, 12:56:26 PM

Quote from: crutonius on November 27, 2017, 10:42:51 AM

We are about to be awesome like the Portuguese!

Wtf is this atrocity?

This is how internet service works in Portugal.  There is no net neutrality there so ISP's can block whatever they want and charge you to unblock it.

FFS.

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on November 27, 2017, 12:56:26 PM

Quote from: crutonius on November 27, 2017, 10:42:51 AM

We are about to be awesome like the Portuguese!

Wtf is this atrocity?

This is how internet service works in Portugal.  There is no net neutrality there so ISP's can block whatever they want and charge you to unblock it.

In the interest of heading off any misinformation:

This is just a mockup of how ISP's could bundle internet service without net neutrality. Here is the example from Portugal. Portugal DOES have net neutrality via the EU, but from what I can tell, there are exceptions for mobile carriers that make the above example legal.

The US's Open Internet Order also contains some exceptions for mobile carriers. I'm not entirely clear on whether it would allow for the above to happen though. However, what IS clear is that repealing net neutrality would definitely allow any ISP to bundle internet like the above example, mobile-carrier or not. It wouldn't happen immediately, but it almost certainly would move in that direction long-term.

My guess is that if there are exceptions for mobile, it's most likely because of the limited infrastructure and bandwidth at the time that the regulations were drafted.

Quote from: crutonius on November 27, 2017, 01:40:26 PM

Quote from: Definitely Not Official on November 27, 2017, 12:56:26 PM

Quote from: crutonius on November 27, 2017, 10:42:51 AM

We are about to be awesome like the Portuguese!

Wtf is this atrocity?

This is how internet service works in Portugal.  There is no net neutrality there so ISP's can block whatever they want and charge you to unblock it.

In the interest of heading off any misinformation:

This is just a mockup of how ISP's could bundle internet service without net neutrality. Here is the example from Portugal. Portugal DOES have net neutrality via the EU, but from what I can tell, there are exceptions for mobile carriers that make the above example legal.

The US's Open Internet Order also contains some exceptions for mobile carriers. I'm not entirely clear on whether it would allow for the above to happen though. However, what IS clear is that repealing net neutrality would definitely allow any ISP to bundle internet like the above example, mobile-carrier or not. It wouldn't happen immediately, but it almost certainly would move in that direction long-term.

Gah!!!

That's what I get for not fact checking first.

Gah!!!

That's what I get for not fact checking first.

No worries. The premise of the warning was still correct.

Nazis Want Net Neutrality Repealed to 'Unleash a Plague of Frogs on Twitter.'

lol

http://www.newsweek.com/nazis-want-net-neutrality-repealed-because-they-think-it-will-help-them-harass-724003

Nazis Want Net Neutrality Repealed to 'Unleash a Plague of Frogs on Twitter.'

lol

http://www.newsweek.com/nazis-want-net-neutrality-repealed-because-they-think-it-will-help-them-harass-724003

Let my Pepes go!

How do they think net neutrality being repealed would help them? Hell, net neutrality helps protect their preferred social media site, Gab, from the likes of Facebook and Twitter.