Net Neutrality: WTF is it?

I doubt he cares. At one point the vote was interrupted by a bomb threat. They sweeped the area and he immediately got back to doing his corporate master's bidding.

If people are trying to blow him up I'm pretty sure he's aware of how unpopular this is.

If unlimited data is $50 per month,
why shouldn't I be able to buy limited data for $10 per month?

If unlimited data is $50 per month,
why shouldn't I be able to buy limited data for $10 per month?

That is not what net neutrality is.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 14, 2017, 07:10:54 PM

If unlimited data is $50 per month,
why shouldn't I be able to buy limited data for $10 per month?

That is not what net neutrality is.

Give me the Net Neutrality for Dummies version. please.
(emphasis on 'for Dummies'.)

Quote from: crutonius on December 14, 2017, 07:42:54 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 14, 2017, 07:10:54 PM

If unlimited data is $50 per month,
why shouldn't I be able to buy limited data for $10 per month?

That is not what net neutrality is.

Give me the Net Neutrality for Dummies version. please.
(emphasis on 'for Dummies'.)

Your ISPN decide they want even more money. So they create a video portal.
Now, since youtube is the biggest enemy - baaaam - you get only 1mbps on youtube, except if you pay $15 per month extra.

Or: your ISPN doesnt want you to jerk your dick, but they know you can't stop it.
Boom - you need to get the porn+ XXL data package for only $99...

This brain fart idea of his has negative  ramifications even for Oz. Thanks.

C'mon Pence. The world is counting on you.

I looked up my name on that link SCG.  It doesn't appear my identity was used to post fake comments, but of the 11 comments that matched my name, only 1 was against the repeal.  The 10 that were for the repeal had 3 different texts to them, meaning most were copy & paste jobs.  A dutiful government agency would have at least delayed a vote since there does appear to be an issue with authenticity.

Report it.

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 15, 2017, 01:08:02 AM

Quote from: crutonius on December 14, 2017, 07:42:54 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 14, 2017, 07:10:54 PM

If unlimited data is $50 per month,
why shouldn't I be able to buy limited data for $10 per month?

That is not what net neutrality is.

Give me the Net Neutrality for Dummies version. please.
(emphasis on 'for Dummies'.)

Your ISPN decide they want even more money. So they create a video portal.
Now, since youtube is the biggest enemy - baaaam - you get only 1mbps on youtube, except if you pay $15 per month extra.

Or: your ISPN doesnt want you to jerk your dick, but they know you can't stop it.
Boom - you need to get the porn+ XXL data package for only $99...

There's pornography on the interweb?

Does Net Neutrality address competition?

Quote from: User324 on December 15, 2017, 02:27:10 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 15, 2017, 01:08:02 AM

Quote from: crutonius on December 14, 2017, 07:42:54 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 14, 2017, 07:10:54 PM

If unlimited data is $50 per month,
why shouldn't I be able to buy limited data for $10 per month?

That is not what net neutrality is.

Give me the Net Neutrality for Dummies version. please.
(emphasis on 'for Dummies'.)

Your ISPN decide they want even more money. So they create a video portal.
Now, since youtube is the biggest enemy - baaaam - you get only 1mbps on youtube, except if you pay $15 per month extra.

Or: your ISPN doesnt want you to jerk your dick, but they know you can't stop it.
Boom - you need to get the porn+ XXL data package for only $99...

There's pornography on the interweb?

Does Net Neutrality address competition?

Don't worry, the competition will also abuse this.

A WAN is kind of like the road connecting houses and businesses and recreational areas. It costs to lay them down, and once it's done it's done, removing them and replacing will cost even more. The WAN's are owned by the ISP's. Once you are connected to a WAN and pay the ISP it's costly to switch over to another, because you need to replace your current cable connecting you to the WAN's. It's especially tough in rural areas, where there is often only one WAN owned by a single ISP. You'd need to pay another ISP to lay down a whole new "road" from one of their own WAN's in order to switch. Realistically, and depending on the distance to the closest bigger city, most people in a small town needs to work together to switch the ISP. It's just as if roads where owned by corporations. Therefore, ISP's almost have monopoly over a lot of their customers.

Net neutrality or net neutrality, nothing addresses competition amongst ISPs. Net neutrality does address competition on the internet, saying everyone on the internet should be on the same playing field. This way we can get the next Netflix to come up and replace it with something better, instead of an ISP artificially inflating it's worth and killing any startup competitor.

They know many of the comments in favor of the repeal were fake, but they don't care.

Did y'all see Ajit Pai doing the Harlem Shake with the pizzagate chick? lol

Did y'all see Ajit Pai doing the Harlem Shake with the pizzagate chick? lol

Lol what? Pls explain.

Ajit Pai made a video about "7 things you can still do on the internet after net neutrality (though they only mentioned 6 things), which was just a bunch of dead memes and overall insulting to the common internet user. The original video has already been removed, but lots of people have re-uploaded it.

Here's an article explaining it http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/365061-harlem-shake-creators-threaten-to-sue-over-fcc-chairmans-anti  The woman on the right side of (from the viewer's perspective) Ajit is the pizzagate chick. Yesterday she deleted or made private her pizzagate videos.

I LOVE IT! Link is on my desktop now! NET NEUTRALITY! This is the fertile foundation for healthy discourse within every community - scientific or Star Trek!
Make this big in the internet! Show it your friends and relink it if you are on social media!

Ajit Pai made a video about "7 things you can still do on the internet after net neutrality (though they only mentioned 6 things), which was just a bunch of dead memes and overall insulting to the common internet user. The original video has already been removed, but lots of people have re-uploaded it.

Yep.  He's really channeling his inner Martin Shkrelli. 

I wonder if Pai legitimately believes the bullshit he is spewing or if he is just saying words that could sound correct but believes differently. At least Blackburn has come out to say net neutrality needs to be enshrined by Congress.

Quote from: crutonius on December 14, 2017, 07:42:54 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 14, 2017, 07:10:54 PM

If unlimited data is $50 per month,
why shouldn't I be able to buy limited data for $10 per month?

That is not what net neutrality is.

Give me the Net Neutrality for Dummies version. please.
(emphasis on 'for Dummies'.)

As short as I can make it.  Here goes. 

You know how the power company doesn't care what you plug into your outlets?  That's the same thing we want for the internet service providers.

As short as I can make it.  Here goes. 

You know how the power company doesn't care what you plug into your outlets?  That's the same thing we want for the internet service providers.

You're afraid you can no longer use internet on your mac?

You know how the power company doesn't care what you plug into your outlets?  That's the same thing we want for the internet service providers.

I think for your metaphor, "neutrality" would mean the power company has to charge you the same amount whether you've plugged in a nightlight or a klieg lamp.

Quote from: crutonius on December 15, 2017, 09:54:04 AM

You know how the power company doesn't care what you plug into your outlets?  That's the same thing we want for the internet service providers.

I think for your metaphor, "neutrality" would mean the power company has to charge you the same amount whether you've plugged in a nightlight or a klieg lamp.

Only if they pull the same amount of juice!

OH, I have one.

You have an ipad, and you have a galaxy tab. Both require the exact same amount of electricity and time to charge. The company you buy electricity from has made a deal with Apple, and they charge you 15 cents more to charge the galaxy tab and it takes twice as long.

I DON'T KNOW.

To expand on the power company metaphor:

Let's say Rocky Mountain Power(RMP).  Knows what I plug in where and can selectively charge more or less or even deny service to some device.

Here are some of the interesting ways RMP can now screw me over to make more money.  These are all analogous to things that telecoms have done and consumers have had to fight way to hard to stop.

RMP straight out refuses to power any central air conditioning unit but their own which they will only rent.

RMP offers a power plan for most devices used in my house but for some special items, like toasters, there's a separate plan with a minimum charge whether or not I actually use the toasters that month.

RMP will give a discount to power products made by their corporate partners.  Which puts other manufacturers at an unfair disadvantage.

RMP is a monopoly in my area so my only recourse is angry letters to congress.  The free market will not protect my interests here because of the nature of how a utility works.

It's retardedly ridiculous to expand a metaphor further than the actual issue.

We all know getting rid of net neutrality is the catalyst for the apocalypse.... But what shit did they spin they said would be worth it? What is the argument they made?  (even if it's wrong). Is there any valid good thing to come out of this? (even if it is far outweighed by the bad)

We all know getting rid of net neutrality is the catalyst for the apocalypse.... But what shit did they spin they said would be worth it? What is the argument they made?  (even if it's wrong). Is there any valid good thing to come out of this? (even if it is far outweighed by the bad)

I think it was something like "the market will be more free with less regulations".

Quote from: Shifter on December 15, 2017, 12:58:21 PM

We all know getting rid of net neutrality is the catalyst for the apocalypse.... But what shit did they spin they said would be worth it? What is the argument they made?  (even if it's wrong). Is there any valid good thing to come out of this? (even if it is far outweighed by the bad)

I think it was something like "the market will be more free with less regulations".

Something like that.  Trump's narrative is that we're drowning in regulations and its killing business.

So, net neutrality stops ISP's from throttling specific websites for it's customers, which is only a bad thing for customers. Repealing it will allows ISP's to do it. But of course, no ISP would ever do that, it would be "bad for business". So repealing net neutrality, at best, changes absolutely nothing. At worst, it screws over all the US internet users.

We had the internet for like 20 years before Obama made this net neutrality law. I don't recall any ISP shenanigans?