Denspressure vs Reality

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1350 on: December 15, 2017, 02:15:46 AM »

So moving from a slow change in velocity to a fast change in velocity would not, in your view, constitute a change in acceleration?
It constitutes a change in velocity.
Acceleration is advancing and advancing means a change in velocity. It can never ever ever be anything other than that.
This means that it will never ever ever be a constant.




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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1351 on: December 15, 2017, 02:15:55 AM »
Acceleration is the measurement of how quickly velocity is changing.

If your velocity is increasing rapidly it will have a higher acceleration than if your velocity was increasing slowly.

This is the most basic of concepts.
It will have higher velocity not higher acceleration.
Acceleration is simply that no matter what you try and add to make it something else.

So if I asked you the question:

How many seconds does it take to go from 0 m/s to 10 m/s?

How would you answer without a measure of acceleration?
I'd just say something like, 10 seconds.

So how long is it going to take you to produce your evidence for you magic molecules? It’s really looking like you just made it all up.

You really don’t understand acceleration do you.
An object can accelerate at 1m/sec ^2 between t0 and t5
An object can accelerate at 2m/sec ^2 between t5 and t10
An object can accelerate at 4m/sec ^2 between t15and t20

While you can have a rate of change of velocity
There can also be a rate of change of acceleration.
I'll produce mine when you produce what you believe in to be against it.

Other than that I'd ask you to use your own brain and thinking rather than perusing every books that goes against what I say and thinking that you are clued up.

But what not answer the questions....I just set out a situation of a body moving in a way that showed a rate of change of acceleration! Are you denying the numbers? Simple question that even you can answer.

The original question was reality v denpressure. You want to find out about reality, then go look it up. You said you only believe what you can see, you criticised people for just accepting things. So please tell how did you see your expanding molecules or did you just make it up?
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1352 on: December 15, 2017, 02:27:46 AM »
But what not answer the questions....I just set out a situation of a body moving in a way that showed a rate of change of acceleration! Are you denying the numbers? Simple question that even you can answer.
I've explained more than enough about acceleration never being a constant.
Accept my stance or don't but you'll never argue against it and have me side with your argument.
I'm correct.

The original question was reality v denpressure. You want to find out about reality, then go look it up. You said you only believe what you can see, you criticised people for just accepting things. So please tell how did you see your expanding molecules or did you just make it up?
I'm in the process of trying to figure out reality over the mountains of nonsense we've all been coaxed into accepting.

As for seeing the molecules. Some you can and some you can't but none will you see as a singular.
Now when you look through a microscope try and understand ....not what you are looking at at on the plate but what you are looking through and ask yourself " what makes up this lens and what makes me able to see into this lens and all the way down to the plate and then why can I only see so much of the make up of what's on the plate."


Once you start to go down that route you might try to understand that I've got no chance of seeing what you expect me to and also that also shows that neither does anyone else.


So what is left to do?

Theory as a best fit for reality.
Mine fits for me and I don't give a crap whether you accept that or not.


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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1353 on: December 15, 2017, 02:54:10 AM »
Hi Scepti,

Could the problem here be the termRATE of acceleration?

Most people use the word acceleration, without the need to add the term "rate".

Like the term "PIN number" for your bank card, ( but the word number is redunant sine PIN = Personal Id NUMBER)
so pin number is saying the same thing twice.

I assume you accept that the RATE of acceleration could be a constant, or if something where not changing speed it could even be Zero?

Thus the acceleration (Scepti speak = rate of acceleration) of an object is xyz m per second per second?




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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1354 on: December 15, 2017, 03:01:04 AM »
Hi Scepti,

Could the problem here be the termRATE of acceleration?

Most people use the word acceleration, without the need to add the term "rate".

Like the term "PIN number" for your bank card, ( but the word number is redunant sine PIN = Personal Id NUMBER)
so pin number is saying the same thing twice.

I assume you accept that the RATE of acceleration could be a constant, or if something where not changing speed it could even be Zero?

Thus the acceleration (Scepti speak = rate of acceleration) of an object is xyz m per second per second?
Nope.

Very simple.
Acceleration is advancement and change of velocity or speed.

That's it.
Nothing more can be used for acceleration.


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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1355 on: December 15, 2017, 03:02:44 AM »
so if something is not changing speed its acceleration is not Zero...It just isn't accelerating?

And if it is getting faster it does not matter at what rate it is accelerating...it is just accelerating?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1356 on: December 15, 2017, 03:36:55 AM »
So therefore it is not a constant.
Sure, as its moving it isn't constant.
It is CHANGING position, it can't be constant.

They all accelerate and all acceleration is a change in velocity/speed/mph/km/h/m/s...etc.

There's no constant.
Just like they all move, and velocity is just a change in position, etc.
There's no constant velocity.

That's because there's no such thing as constant acceleration, that's why.
Except all the evidence indicates the opposite.
You are yet to present any rational argument supporting your position while you have been refuted numerous times.

I'm viewing it all in a way that makes sense and not in a way that makes no sense at all.
You might want to learn what sense is; so far your comments have been lacking it.

Acceleration, like velocity, is a rate.
This has direct physical implications.
It is a measure of how quickly your velocity is changing.
Just like velocity is a measure of how quickly your position is changing.
The word CHANGING is the key.
There's no constant.
So you accept velocity can't be constant, as velocity is CHANGING position?

Velocity is one word that describes a change in position.
Velocity is a word that describes a rate of speed in a given direction.
Yes, a rate, i.e. a change per unit time. Just like acceleration is a change per unit time.

I'm going to try and avoid repeating the same think again and again to respond to every time you say the same BS.

What's the matter? Don't you have the ability to actually think for yourself to understand?
The only person showing an inability to think in this thread is you.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1357 on: December 15, 2017, 04:31:14 AM »
Hi Scepti,

Could the problem here be the termRATE of acceleration?

Most people use the word acceleration, without the need to add the term "rate".

Like the term "PIN number" for your bank card, ( but the word number is redunant sine PIN = Personal Id NUMBER)
so pin number is saying the same thing twice.

I assume you accept that the RATE of acceleration could be a constant, or if something where not changing speed it could even be Zero?

Thus the acceleration (Scepti speak = rate of acceleration) of an object is xyz m per second per second?
Nope.

Very simple.
Acceleration is advancement and change of velocity or speed.

That's it.
Nothing more can be used for acceleration.

So you couldn’t tell how quickly an object is changing velocity?
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1358 on: December 15, 2017, 04:39:03 AM »

So, if I'm accelerating at 10 m/s/s and then I accelerate at 15 m/s/s there is no change in acceleration? 

Nope.
There is a change in velocity though.
So 10 and 15 are the same number now? 

I can only presume you are now out-and-out trolling.
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1359 on: December 15, 2017, 08:08:23 AM »
so if something is not changing speed its acceleration is not Zero...It just isn't accelerating?
Acceleration cannot ever be a set number.
So basically, like you say....if something's not changing speed to the positive then it's not accelerating.


And if it is getting faster it does not matter at what rate it is accelerating...it is just accelerating?
It an object advances in speed then it is accelerating every time it does this.

If speed is not advanced and not allowed to change then this would be constant velocity or constant mph as a end result of acceleration.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1360 on: December 15, 2017, 08:15:42 AM »


So you couldn’t tell how quickly an object is changing velocity?
Course you could. There's a speedometer to check a change in velocity.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1361 on: December 15, 2017, 08:16:18 AM »

So, if I'm accelerating at 10 m/s/s and then I accelerate at 15 m/s/s there is no change in acceleration? 

Nope.
There is a change in velocity though.
So 10 and 15 are the same number now? 

I can only presume you are now out-and-out trolling.
Why does 10 and 15 have to be the same number?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1362 on: December 15, 2017, 08:19:11 AM »

The only person showing an inability to think in this thread is you.
Hmmmm, I wonder.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1363 on: December 15, 2017, 08:28:46 AM »


So you couldn’t tell how quickly an object is changing velocity?
Course you could. There's a speedometer to check a change in velocity.

A speedometer shows velocity not acceleration.

Question:

a) I change speed from 10 to 15 - what is the change?

b) I change speed from 10 to 20 - what is the change?

Are the answers to (a) and (b) the same or different?
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1364 on: December 15, 2017, 09:37:54 AM »


So you couldn’t tell how quickly an object is changing velocity?
Course you could. There's a speedometer to check a change in velocity.

A speedometer shows velocity not acceleration.
Yeah, isn't that what I said?


Question:

a) I change speed from 10 to 15 - what is the change?
None, it's a constant velocity of 15 from a constant velocity of 10 with acceleration at stages in between which is when the changes happened..

b) I change speed from 10 to 20 - what is the change?
Similar to the above except for numbers.

Are the answers to (a) and (b) the same or different?
Same and different in terms of same scenario but different numbers.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1365 on: December 15, 2017, 10:54:27 AM »


So you couldn’t tell how quickly an object is changing velocity?
Course you could. There's a speedometer to check a change in velocity.

A speedometer shows velocity not acceleration.
Yeah, isn't that what I said?


Question:

a) I change speed from 10 to 15 - what is the change?
None, it's a constant velocity of 15 from a constant velocity of 10 with acceleration at stages in between which is when the changes happened..

b) I change speed from 10 to 20 - what is the change?
Similar to the above except for numbers.

Are the answers to (a) and (b) the same or different?
Same and different in terms of same scenario but different numbers.

No.

(a) is an acceleration of 5 and (b) is an acceleration of 10 and are clearly different.

Acceleration is simply a measure of how much velocity has changed.
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1366 on: December 15, 2017, 11:10:11 AM »
So you couldn’t tell how quickly an object is changing velocity?
Course you could. There's a speedometer to check a change in velocity.

So if we have an accelerometer in a car we can check changes in acceleration, right?



It doesn't say in the video, but it looks like the top figure is forwards acceleration/deceleration and the bottom figure is lateral acceleration.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1367 on: December 15, 2017, 12:29:57 PM »
so if something is not changing speed its acceleration is not Zero...It just isn't accelerating?
Acceleration cannot ever be a set number.
Sure... Just like velocity.

And if it is getting faster it does not matter at what rate it is accelerating...it is just accelerating?
It an object advances in speed then it is accelerating every time it does this.
If an object advances in position then it is moving (with some velocity) every time it does this.

If speed is not advanced and not allowed to change then this would be constant velocity or constant mph as a end result of acceleration.
If position is not advanced and not allowed to change then this would be constant position as the end result of velocity.
There is no constant velocity in your model as velocity is change.

So you couldn’t tell how quickly an object is changing velocity?
Course you could. There's a speedometer to check a change in velocity.
That's the change, not how quickly it is doing it.

It is like change in position.
There is an odometer to tell you how far you travel, that doesn't tell you how fast you are travelling.
But is this why you think there is no constant acceleration? Because your car doesn't have an accelerometer?

Speaking of accelerometers, what do they measure?

So, if I'm accelerating at 10 m/s/s and then I accelerate at 15 m/s/s there is no change in acceleration? 
Nope.
There is a change in velocity though.
So 10 and 15 are the same number now? 
I can only presume you are now out-and-out trolling.
Why does 10 and 15 have to be the same number?
Because you said there is no change in acceleration between accelerating at 10 m/s^2 and 15 m/s^2.
That means the acceleration is the same and thus 10=15.

Acceleration is simply a measure of how much velocity has changed.
No, it also measures how quickly it does so. It is a rate.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1368 on: December 15, 2017, 12:31:36 PM »
Now then scepti, how about you address the issues rasied (which were raised before) regarding velocity?

Velocity is a measure of CHANGE in position.
As it is a measure of CHANGE does that mean it can't be constant?

If yes, all your claims about constant velocity are shown to be pure BS.
If no, then all your claims about not being able to have a constant acceleration because it is a change is pure bullshit.

So which is it?

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1369 on: December 16, 2017, 12:48:59 AM »

Acceleration is simply a measure of how much velocity has changed.
No, it also measures how quickly it does so. It is a rate.

My apologies, I should have included per unit of time.

The point I was trying to make to Scepti is that acceleration is a simple concept.
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1370 on: December 16, 2017, 01:07:15 AM »
Wow....what is the point. Sceptimatic would maintain blank was indeed white if it happened to fit in with his entrenched way of how he imagines the world works.
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1371 on: December 16, 2017, 02:13:49 AM »
Wow....what is the point. Sceptimatic would maintain black was indeed white if it happened to fit in with his entrenched way of how he imagines the world works.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1372 on: December 16, 2017, 04:49:12 AM »
Wow....what is the point. Sceptimatic would maintain black was indeed white if it happened to fit in with his entrenched way of how he imagines the world works.

The only reason you lot are so stuck on black being black is because you're all sheep, thinking exactly as you've been trained to think. If you weren't so close minded you would be able to see why I resolutely refuse to entertain the idea that black is black but rather insist that it is white.
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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1373 on: December 16, 2017, 05:15:02 AM »


So you couldn’t tell how quickly an object is changing velocity?
Course you could. There's a speedometer to check a change in velocity.

A speedometer shows velocity not acceleration.
Yeah, isn't that what I said?


Question:

a) I change speed from 10 to 15 - what is the change?
None, it's a constant velocity of 15 from a constant velocity of 10 with acceleration at stages in between which is when the changes happened..

b) I change speed from 10 to 20 - what is the change?
Similar to the above except for numbers.

Are the answers to (a) and (b) the same or different?
Same and different in terms of same scenario but different numbers.

No.

(a) is an acceleration of 5 and (b) is an acceleration of 10 and are clearly different.

Acceleration is simply a measure of how much velocity has changed.
I've just gave you the answer.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1374 on: December 16, 2017, 05:18:01 AM »
So you couldn’t tell how quickly an object is changing velocity?
Course you could. There's a speedometer to check a change in velocity.

So if we have an accelerometer in a car we can check changes in acceleration, right?



It doesn't say in the video, but it looks like the top figure is forwards acceleration/deceleration and the bottom figure is lateral acceleration.
You can't have any changes to acceleration....ever.

You can have changes after acceleration and during acceleration but no changes to acceleration.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1375 on: December 16, 2017, 05:24:30 AM »
Now then scepti, how about you address the issues rasied (which were raised before) regarding velocity?

Velocity is a measure of CHANGE in position.
As it is a measure of CHANGE does that mean it can't be constant?
In human interpretation it can be constant. In the context of everything under vibration and frequencies as energy, then nothing is ever constant.


If yes, all your claims about constant velocity are shown to be pure BS.

Not at all.

If no, then all your claims about not being able to have a constant acceleration because it is a change is pure bullshit.

So which is it?
Not at all.

No matter which way you try to twist it, it remains the same.
Acceleration in terms of human interpretation is an advanced change in motion.
It can never ever be constant.

Velocity in terms of human interpretation can be constant.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1376 on: December 16, 2017, 05:27:27 AM »

Acceleration is simply a measure of how much velocity has changed.
No, it also measures how quickly it does so. It is a rate.

My apologies, I should have included per unit of time.

The point I was trying to make to Scepti is that acceleration is a simple concept.
It's a very simple concept. It's a continuous change in velocity.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1377 on: December 16, 2017, 05:28:31 AM »
Wow....what is the point. Sceptimatic would maintain blank was indeed white if it happened to fit in with his entrenched way of how he imagines the world works.
Thank Rab for helping you out.

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1378 on: December 16, 2017, 06:38:55 AM »
Wow....what is the point. Sceptimatic would maintain blank was indeed white if it happened to fit in with his entrenched way of how he imagines the world works.
Agreed

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Re: Denspressure vs Reality
« Reply #1379 on: December 16, 2017, 12:50:25 PM »
Now then scepti, how about you address the issues rasied (which were raised before) regarding velocity?
Velocity is a measure of CHANGE in position.
As it is a measure of CHANGE does that mean it can't be constant?
In human interpretation it can be constant. In the context of everything under vibration and frequencies as energy, then nothing is ever constant.
But velocity is a measure of CHANGE!!! So how can it be constant?
After all that seems to be your objection to acceleration.
Surely you have a constant position, then you move, (which is a change in position and thus can never be constant according to you), and then you can be at a new position with a constant position.

Velocity is just change.

If yes, all your claims about constant velocity are shown to be pure BS.
Not at all.
If no, then all your claims about not being able to have a constant acceleration because it is a change is pure bullshit.
So which is it?
Not at all.
Nope. They are the only 2 options.
Either something can be a change and still be constant, and thus acceleration can be constant, or it can't and thus velocity can't be constant.

No matter which way you try to twist it, it remains the same.
Acceleration in terms of human interpretation is an advanced change in motion.
It can never ever be constant.

Velocity in terms of human interpretation can be constant.
No. Both in terms of human interpretation are a change, but both can be constant.
We even have devices to measure acceleration.