List of things that don't exist to Flat Earthers

The knowledge of how an incandescent light blub works.  Honestly, I cant make this stuff up...LOL

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=72080.0

Ah of course. How could I forget about "light" - added to list

If we're talking Heiwa, then atomic weapons make the list.
For the majority of FE'ers, you can count the South Pole. Most of them think there is either further land beyond it, an edge beyond it, or an ice wall nobody has seen.
For all FE'ers you can include fixed angular distances between stars, stellar aberration, solar flares, certain neutrino measurement experiments, gravity as measured by the pull of any body other than the earth, lunar craters, inertial guidance systems, gravitational lensing, measurements from theodolites and the Laws Of F*cking Physics.

If we're talking Heiwa, then atomic weapons make the list.
For the majority of FE'ers, you can count the South Pole. Most of them think there is either further land beyond it, an edge beyond it, or an ice wall nobody has seen.
For all FE'ers you can include fixed angular distances between stars, stellar aberration, solar flares, certain neutrino measurement experiments, gravity as measured by the pull of any body other than the earth, lunar craters, inertial guidance systems, gravitational lensing, measurements from theodolites and the Laws Of F*cking Physics.

 

I'll have to dissect that.. never realised how big the list was.

accurate flight times
FE-maps
southern cross
Australia
curvature
disappearing behind curvature
sunset without the sun schrinking
sunrise without the sun schrinking
solar eclipse
lunar eclipse
rotating Earth
moving solar system
satellite dishes always pointed towards some location directly above the equator
accurate predictable path of sun/moon based on location on Earth and time
Sun on a large distance
moon on a large distance
math / geometry
...

update:
coriolis effect
foucault pendulum
cavendish experiment
absolute vacuum
atmosphere sticking to earth without containment

update:
coriolis effect
foucault pendulum
cavendish experiment
absolute vacuum
atmosphere sticking to earth without containment

What does 'absolute vacuum' have to do with the earth being Flat but can you show me an example of where an 'absolute vacuum' exists in any part of the universe?

Quote from: napoleon on November 02, 2017, 06:46:00 AM

update:
coriolis effect
foucault pendulum
cavendish experiment
absolute vacuum
atmosphere sticking to earth without containment

What does 'absolute vacuum' have to do with the earth being Flat but can you show me an example of where an 'absolute vacuum' exists in any part of the universe?

The rounders believe that almost all of the universe is a vacuum. We live on a very small area of inhabitable space on earth. Of course they have it all upside down. There is no vacuum, and the earth is the center of it all. Without the vacuum of space their whole model falls apart.

Quote from: Shifter on November 02, 2017, 04:21:44 PM

Quote from: napoleon on November 02, 2017, 06:46:00 AM

update:
coriolis effect
foucault pendulum
cavendish experiment
absolute vacuum
atmosphere sticking to earth without containment

What does 'absolute vacuum' have to do with the earth being Flat but can you show me an example of where an 'absolute vacuum' exists in any part of the universe?

The rounders believe that almost all of the universe is a vacuum. We live on a very small area of inhabitable space on earth. Of course they have it all upside down. There is no vacuum, and the earth is the center of it all. Without the vacuum of space their whole model falls apart.

No scientist worth their salt would ever say there are areas of the universe that are a complete vacuum

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/DaWeiCai.shtml

It is often a misconception that space is a vacuum or simply empty. Space is a nearly perfect vacuum, even better than the best ones made in labs on earth, but it is not devoid of everything. The fact is that space is filled with tiny particles called cosmic dust and elements like hydrogen and helium. This applies for interstellar space also and all the previously mention particles make up what is known as the interstellar medium

Even the space between galaxies is not 'absolutely empty'.

And then those geeks that look at a quantum level at virtual particles looking at space on a Planck scale.......

'Dark matter/energy' which make up more than 95% of the universe is still not understood either.

There is no vacuum, and the earth is the center of it all. Without the vacuum of space their whole model falls apart.

Hoppy, please don't wander too far from your pen or you might get lost in this big bad world.

Nice one napolean.. I didn't add it all for a few reasons (criteria = easily proven/observable) but wow the list is shocking

The recent babblings of Davis and Cowgirl have reminded me - you can add Antarctic trans-polar expeditions to the list.

The ability to explain how long distance air travel works on a flat earth, Im still waiting for a reasonable explanation on that one.  Santiago to Sydney, how does it work on a flat earth?  FEers...GO!

The ability to explain how long distance air travel works on a flat earth, Im still waiting for a reasonable explanation on that one.  Santiago to Sydney, how does it work on a flat earth?  FEers...GO!

You are assuming the flat earth map works the same way as the globe map. A globe map has the same scale for the entire map. A Flat Earths map scale is not the same in the centre as it is around the edges. Yes, yes, makes for a pretty dumb map. You do better

Quote from: firejimmy on November 05, 2017, 07:42:20 PM

The ability to explain how long distance air travel works on a flat earth, Im still waiting for a reasonable explanation on that one.  Santiago to Sydney, how does it work on a flat earth?  FEers...GO!

You are assuming the flat earth map works the same way as the globe map. A globe map has the same scale for the entire map. A Flat Earths map scale is not the same in the centre as it is around the edges. Yes, yes, makes for a pretty dumb map. You do better

Ok, lets just play with your little theory.  Every flat earth map shows Chile and Australia with North America right in the middle between them.  So, even if these maps arent to scale, we can kind of judge distance by other known distances.  For example, we know that a flight from LAX (North America) to Sydney takes roughly 14 hours.  We also know that a flight from LAX to Santiago takes roughly 11 hours.  So, even though that flat earth map you speak of isnt to scale it still is pretty safe to say that a flight from Sydney to Santiago should take roughly 25 hours since North America is directly between them on your non scale flat earth map.  So, I just scaled your map for you.  Your welcome.  Now, explain how this flight can exist of a flat earth. 

Not my map, not my theory

Not my map, not my theory

Still no explanation?  Hmmm sounds kind of fishy...maybe the earth is actually ROUND.  Common dude, admit it, the gig is over...LMFAO

I have told you plenty of times what I believe. You clearly are incapable of any rational understanding or even listening. Your attention span is less than that of a pig. I've worked with many pigs in my time and they were far more reasonable and able to be reasoned with. This was even as they stood their munching their own faeces or jacking off against their wired pen slicing their penis open.

I have told you plenty of times what I believe. You clearly are incapable of any rational understanding or even listening. Your attention span is less than that of a pig. I've worked with many pigs in my time and they were far more reasonable and able to be reasoned with. This was even as they stood their munching their own faeces or jacking off against their wired pen slicing their penis open.

Couldnt explain it then and once again cant explain it.  Got it.  I can see now why you spend so much time with pigs.  They actually will listen to the BS you are feeding them.  Nice job backing up your flat earth monkey boy

Quote from: Shifter on November 05, 2017, 08:49:07 PM

I have told you plenty of times what I believe. You clearly are incapable of any rational understanding or even listening. Your attention span is less than that of a pig. I've worked with many pigs in my time and they were far more reasonable and able to be reasoned with. This was even as they stood their munching their own faeces or jacking off against their wired pen slicing their penis open.

Couldnt explain it then and once again cant explain it.  Got it.  I can see now why you spend so much time with pigs.  They actually will listen to the BS you are feeding them.  Nice job backing up your flat earth monkey boy

Not my theory or belief. And yes, some of us have jobs. Mine in particular was involved in medical research to a cure for a disease which inflicts millions of people. What have you done for society except for hanging shit on people. You call flat earthers monkeys? LOL Look at yourself. You mock some of the worlds most esteemed physicists FFS. Who is the backward loser here? String theory is actually a theorised thing by the way. Go and laugh, but we all laugh at you

Lets check. Is String theory a thing for flat earthers? If not, that's something flat earths and this 'firejimmy' have in common at least lol

Quote from: firejimmy on November 05, 2017, 07:42:20 PM

The ability to explain how long distance air travel works on a flat earth, Im still waiting for a reasonable explanation on that one.  Santiago to Sydney, how does it work on a flat earth?  FEers...GO!

You are assuming the flat earth map works the same way as the globe map. A globe map has the same scale for the entire map. A Flat Earths map scale is not the same in the centre as it is around the edges. Yes, yes, makes for a pretty dumb map. You do better

I see nothing to support your claim that the "Flat Earth's map scale is not the same in the centre as it is around the edges".
The Wiki has this to say about the size of the earth

The Ice Wall
The figure of 24,900 miles is the diameter of the known world; the area which the light from the sun affects. Along the edge of our local area exists a massive 150 foot Ice Wall.

If the diameter of the known world; is 24,900 miles (40,073 km) then its circumference is 78,226 miles (125,892 km), which fits with what we claim about the huge distances of these Southern Hemisphere flights.

Your claim that the scale changes as you move south is equivalent to saying that the earth is not a flat. (Which it isn't.)

Not saying the Earth is flat. Just saying on a globe map, you have one scale and it works

On a flat map, to get the distances that are true, the scaling must be all over the place and different. For example, we know Australia is not ~8000km wide. This is easily testable. Applying a single scale to a flat map as you would on a globe map, will give you that utterly ridiculous figure. So I just said the scale must change throughout the map. It's not my map and I don't care, and a map where the scale is random all over the place would make for a pretty shit and useless map, sure. Just saying somewhere in the Australian portion of the flat map, to get it to the right km in width, it would have to be scaled differently then it would elsewhere on the map. Every sector on the map would have to be scaled strangely and the laws of physics as you currently understand would need to change. Drastically

That's what makes it fun  (not necessarily correct) 

Thanks for listing. This is informative for newbies.

Does anyone have a list of things that don't exist according to FE's?

• Space
• Rockets
• Satellites
• Nuclear Weapons
• GPS
• Gravity
• Planets
• Photos (telescope) of planets
• South Pole
• Flights to/near Antarctica

"Light" as proven by observation

• Laws of Physics
• Flight paths/routes
• Below horizon
• Solar Eclipse
• Lunar Eclipse
• Geometry
• Coriolis Effect
• Atmosphere containment
• Size of Australia
• Size of sun constant from sunrise to sunset
• Size of moon same always (minor difference throughout the year)

I'm sure there's loads more, please help me populate this list

And don't suggest "Common Sense"

I don't understand what you mean with it. I do not agree with this one: "Light" as proven by observation". If something proven, flat earthers accept it. If flat earthers deny something, there is nothing such as proven about it.

Not saying the Earth is flat. Just saying on a globe map, you have one scale and it works

On a flat map, to get the distances that are true, the scaling must be all over the place and different. For example, we know Australia is not ~8000km wide. This is easily testable. Applying a single scale to a flat map as you would on a globe map, will give you that utterly ridiculous figure. So I just said the scale must change throughout the map.

Thats actually not true.  Because the earth is a globe, flat maps are inherently inaccurate.  So, not one scale works ever.  If the earth actually were flat, maps because they are flat would be accurate to the greatest detail.  Im surprised you dont know that being a pig farmer and all. 

You left out the bit where I said "the laws of physics as you currently understand would need to change. Drastically"

You have selective reading. Leaving out important pieces to suit your misdirected arguments

By the way, I am not a pig farmer, nor am I a zit faced, friendless virgin dumbarse hiding out in my mums basement thinking I am an awesome keyboard warrior

I don't understand what you mean with it. I do not agree with this one: "Light" as proven by observation". If something proven, flat earthers accept it. If flat earthers deny something, there is nothing such as proven about it.

This is referring to 2 factors:

1. How far light travels (i.e. the light from distant stars and sun is denied on the basis the sun is closer and light abruptly stops half way) when the sun's distance is proven by parallax and radar measurements, hence observation. (Geometry is also added to the list of things FE deny but I'm pretty sure radar vibrations are not denied as well?)

2. How light spreads as the sun is referred to as a spotlight without a lens or how it angles its light as a beam onto a fixed area without any leak and even if focused, how it doesn't illuminate anything outside of its focus area.

So the list item: `"Light" as proven by observation` is "spot" on

Can you now justify why you say 'absolute vacuum' when such a thing doesn't really exist in any globe earth model nor is it even relevant. There are flat earth 'models' which include space as we know it and only earth is special

Suffice to say, absolute is absolute and there is no evidence that any region of space is an 'absolute' vacuum

Can you now justify why you say 'absolute vacuum' when such a thing doesn't really exist in any globe earth model nor is it even relevant. There are flat earth 'models' which include space as we know it and only earth is special

Suffice to say, absolute is absolute and there is no evidence that any region of space is an 'absolute' vacuum

Nope, that one you are right. Even in RET, there is no such thing as absolute vacuum. so that one can be deleted from the list.
But still, the list is pretty long.

Quote from: Shifter on November 06, 2017, 01:45:44 AM

Can you now justify why you say 'absolute vacuum' when such a thing doesn't really exist in any globe earth model nor is it even relevant. There are flat earth 'models' which include space as we know it and only earth is special

Suffice to say, absolute is absolute and there is no evidence that any region of space is an 'absolute' vacuum

Nope, that one you are right. Even in RET, there is no such thing as absolute vacuum. so that one can be deleted from the list.
But still, the list is pretty long.

I didn't add that one so no issues there.

Quote from: napoleon on November 06, 2017, 01:56:09 AM

Quote from: Shifter on November 06, 2017, 01:45:44 AM

Can you now justify why you say 'absolute vacuum' when such a thing doesn't really exist in any globe earth model nor is it even relevant. There are flat earth 'models' which include space as we know it and only earth is special

Suffice to say, absolute is absolute and there is no evidence that any region of space is an 'absolute' vacuum

Nope, that one you are right. Even in RET, there is no such thing as absolute vacuum. so that one can be deleted from the list.
But still, the list is pretty long.

I didn't add that one so no issues there.

No, I know...but shifter is demanding an answer...it's the only issue which is not correct on this list.

Does anyone have a list of things that don't exist according to FE's?

• Space
• Rockets
• Satellites
• Nuclear Weapons
• GPS
• Gravity
• Planets
• Photos (telescope) of planets
• South Pole
• Flights to/near Antarctica
• "Light" as proven by observation
• Laws of Physics
• Flight paths/routes
• Laws of Physics
• Below horizon
• Solar Eclipse
• Lunar Eclipse
• Geometry
• Coriolis Effect
• Atmosphere containment
• Size of Australia
• Size of sun constant from sunrise to sunset
• Size of moon same always (minor difference throughout the year)

I'm sure there's loads more, please help me populate this list

And don't suggest "Common Sense"

Few other issues I see though

I'm not versed on all the models, but I'm pretty sure 'space' is fine on some of them. Just that our ability to get there or have been there doesn't exist

Planets or the concept of, are not a problem on some flat earth models. I'm sure plenty of people who believe in the flat earth, don't discount the possibility of other planets existing.

Rockets need clarification - just the space faring ones I assume you mean. You can build a 'rocket' and let it fly in your backyard


Nuclear weapons not existing - does this go hand in hand with flat earth or just people Heiwa lol

Perhaps you need to make the list of things common and general to any flat earth believer. Things that they all share in  common. Not just anything from fringe models by some random people. Otherwise your list will be never ending