If the earth is flat, then why...

I'm quite interested in the FE topic, but I got a question.

If the earth is flat, why at the same time, half of the world has daylight and the other half has night?

The sun does not shine upon the entire plane all at once.

But you put a plate, and a bulb, and the light illuminates the whole plate. So the sun should illuminate the whole FE

The earth is much bigger than a plate. The sun moves in a circle over the earth, it shines down kinda like a spotlight.

This picture should help you understand from your own real world experience as I am sure you have seen this effect yourself

A rough, illustrative example.

A rough, illustrative example.

Thank you, that is a very nice representation. I don't understand how roundies can't conceptualize this.

Quote from: Junker on September 19, 2017, 08:28:04 PM

A rough, illustrative example.

Thank you, that is a very nice representation. I don't understand how roundies can't conceptualize this.

Most roundies are brainwashed to reject anything except globe earth theory.

hoppy, don't try to pick fights in Q&A. 

The earth is much bigger than a plate. The sun moves in a circle over the earth, it shines down kinda like a spotlight.

So Is the Sun round or flat as well?

If it is Round, then why would it behave like a spot light?  It would illuminate the entire flat surface of earth if light emanated from the sun in every direction.

If it is flat, to support the “spotlight” explanation, why does the sun surface appear circular from sun rise to sunset.

If a spotlight was pointed down on you as it moved away from you so you would not be in the lit area, the observed surface would get more and more obscured. If it was so far away as to get “lower” in the sky it could not possibly appear to be circular if it was shaped to produce a “spotlight” effect

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on September 19, 2017, 04:03:20 PM

The earth is much bigger than a plate. The sun moves in a circle over the earth, it shines down kinda like a spotlight.

So Is the Sun round or flat as well?

If it is Round, then why would it behave like a spot light?  It would illuminate the entire flat surface of earth if light emanated from the sun in every direction.

If it is flat, to support the “spotlight” explanation, why does the sun surface appear circular from sun rise to sunset.

If a spotlight was pointed down on you as it moved away from you so you would not be in the lit area, the observed surface would get more and more obscured. If it was so far away as to get “lower” in the sky it could not possibly appear to be circular if it was shaped to produce a “spotlight” effect

You aren't making sense. Did you see the lightbulb pic posted above? Is that lightbulb flat? No. Neither is the sun. The sun is a sphere whose light can only read so far before dimming to the point of no light. Just like a lightbulb. Don't be silly.

So can you post another picture that explains the time period when the "South pole" has day light nearly 24 hours? How does the entire outer perimeter get light at the same time and not the rest of the earth? 

Also how far away is the sun?

why do you think it moves above the earth in a  circle? whenever i observe it, it appears to move in a straight line.   

Then how do you explain seasons? (Of course, I don't mean climates but daytime length)

Then how do you explain seasons? (Of course, I don't mean climates but daytime length)

Sometimes the Sun is closer the South, sometimes closer to the North.

I describe this better in my previous post, but a mod deleted it for some reason?

Anyway, that's the idea of Seasons.

This picture should help you understand from your own real world experience as I am sure you have seen this effect yourself

light travels at a speed of 299 792 458 m / s and the sun if a ball so it cant have a spotlight unless it has something covering it and for something to cover it has to be big and far away but if it is big then it would hit the earth but if it close it would burn or melt. If the sun is so small that it cant melt the thing covering it then it would burn out in 200-400 years and if light didn't travel that fast and if it faded out before it reached a fare distance the oxygen atoms wouldn't exist. So are you saying we don't breath oxygen as well? and even if the sun is like a light blub it would burn out in about 100 years and it would be as cold as -10 degrees at night and a wapping 300 degrees at day.

I'm quite interested in the FE topic, but I got a question.

If the earth is flat, why at the same time, half of the world has daylight and the other half has night?

I'm not good in discussings by using English, but good in using paint. I hope this helps.

Quote from: portuswebs on September 19, 2017, 03:46:10 PM

I'm quite interested in the FE topic, but I got a question.

If the earth is flat, why at the same time, half of the world has daylight and the other half has night?

I'm not good in discussings by using English, but good in using paint. I hope this helps.

wrong if it is a dome the light will illuminate the entire dome

Quote from: İntikam on October 26, 2017, 03:04:43 AM

Quote from: portuswebs on September 19, 2017, 03:46:10 PM

I'm quite interested in the FE topic, but I got a question.

If the earth is flat, why at the same time, half of the world has daylight and the other half has night?

I'm not good in discussings by using English, but good in using paint. I hope this helps.

wrong if it is a dome the light will illuminate the entire dome

Do you think it is like a light bulb. If there was enough energy, maybe it would illuminate all of dome. but the sun is not so great. The dome is not a glass bulb either.

The earth is much bigger than a plate. The sun moves in a circle over the earth, it shines down kinda like a spotlight.

Which explains why we see sunsets, doesn't it?
 

I love this thread, I really do.  It does show the intelligence level of people on this site, or lack there of.  Especially I love the photo provided showing in incandescent bulb lighting a small portion of a wall.  I challenge ANYONE to try this experiment at home.  I promise you that if you put a incandescent bulb in a dark room, even if the bulb is against a wall, it will light the entire room.  Anyone with even a slight knowledge of photography knows that this photo is underexposed, taken into photo shop, about 30 seconds with a dodge/burn tool, 5 seconds with the contrast tool, 5 more seconds with blacks level and BAM, you have a picture showing how an everyday bulb that normally lights an entire room now lights only a 12 inch radius.  Absolutely laughable that some find this is a convincing photo that the earth is flat.  Lets hear an explanation of why the north and south pole are lit for 24 hours during certain times of the year but never at the same time.  Explain seasons, why is it summer in north america and winter in Australia at the same time.  Explain how the sun that has a diameter of nearly 850,000 miles and only light a small portion of the earth which has a diameter of 8,000 miles.  To put that in perspective, try getting a 10 inch spot light and see if you can only light up half of the surface of a quarter with it.  I dont care how far you get from that quarter, you will never be able to light up half of it.  Nice try guys but your going to have to think of something better than your "lightbulb theory".  Its too easy with you guys LMFAO.  Love you guys...LOL

A rough, illustrative example.

Your example fails on one very obvious point.  At one stage of your sun's rotation over the earth, we see both the east coast and the west coast of Australia fully illuminated by the sun's light.  This is factually wrong, as when it's full morning daylight in Sydney, NSW, it's still fully night-time dark in Perth, WA more than 3,200km distant.

This would suggest that the FE sun "spotlight" hypothesis does not work—and cannot work as proposed.

I love this thread, I really do.  It does show the intelligence level of people on this site, or lack there of.  Especially I love the photo provided showing in incandescent bulb lighting a small portion of a wall.....

LOL... what I find more than funny is that the flat earthers invariably say that all photographic images from NASA or high-altitude aircraft or satellites are bogus, and can't be used as valid evidence in support of a spherical planet.  But in the next breath, they expect us to accept that any/all of the photos the FEs post are legitimate, and should be accepted as honest evidence for whatever they're claiming—like the light-bulb photo.  Pot, meet kettle.

Quote from: firejimmy on October 27, 2017, 03:33:54 PM

I love this thread, I really do.  It does show the intelligence level of people on this site, or lack there of.  Especially I love the photo provided showing in incandescent bulb lighting a small portion of a wall.....

LOL... what I find more than funny is that the flat earthers invariably say that all photographic images from NASA or high-altitude aircraft or satellites are bogus, and can't be used as valid evidence in support of a spherical planet.  But in the next breath, they expect us to accept that any/all of the photos the FEs post are legitimate, and should be accepted as honest evidence for whatever they're claiming—like the light-bulb photo.  Pot, meet kettle.

LOL......What I find more than funny is this whole thing about the sun.

But seriously.......from a flat earther's viewpoint, that is.:
The sun "acts like a spotlight and shines directly down on the earth."
There must be some kind of a reflector (like in a flashlight) or some kind of shade (like in a ceiling light) to shape the lighting pattern of the sun into that oval or circular beam as shown in the animation.
The sun must be just inside, under the dome.
There must be some kind of a light track or some way to guide the sun in its orbit....or several tracks for different seasons.
And it looks as if Greenland is in the sunlight, 24 hours per  day, 365/366 days per year.(From the animation.)
At least that is the way I see it.
......Until a flat earther has a better explanation.

But since the sun only shines down on the earth, how the moon and the planets are illuminated is another subject for discussion.
Are there Marsshramps, Venusshramps, etc. besides Moonshramps ?

Quote from: Junker on September 19, 2017, 08:28:04 PM

A rough, illustrative example.

Your example fails on one very obvious point.  At one stage of your sun's rotation over the earth, we see both the east coast and the west coast of Australia fully illuminated by the sun's light.  This is factually wrong, as when it's full morning daylight in Sydney, NSW, it's still fully night-time dark in Perth, WA more than 3,200km distant.

This would suggest that the FE sun "spotlight" hypothesis does not work—and cannot work as proposed.

The same seems to appear for most of the other continents. They are fully illuminated coast-to-coast ? 
When it is 2:00 PM in the afternoon in New York it is 11:00 AM in the morning in San Francisco.

So the same could be said of New York and San Francisco as in the Sydney and Perth example.

P.S. In the U.S.A. the time zones are named : Eastern, Central, Mountain and Pacific.
What names are given to the time zones in Australia ?

The size of the beam should be just a bit smaller in diameter.....1000 Miles ?.......IMHO

IMHO ........Hmmmmm... Methininks the  animation needs a bit of improvement

Someone made a picture to show how a spotlight doesn't work with seasons. Basically in the southern summer/northern winter, more than half of the southern hemisphere is in day and less than half of the northern hemisphere is in day. On the flat earth map a spot light can't do this.

 I have no argument if we just take this website in this manner (I thiink I may have said this before several times.):
"We all know, or should know, that the earth is a globe, but can you come up with some ideas of what shape the earth would be (like a flat disc, for example) and how things would have to be if the earth was in another shape ?

Quote from: Mr Question? Needs Proof! on October 26, 2017, 03:19:56 AM

Quote from: İntikam on October 26, 2017, 03:04:43 AM

Quote from: portuswebs on September 19, 2017, 03:46:10 PM

I'm quite interested in the FE topic, but I got a question.

If the earth is flat, why at the same time, half of the world has daylight and the other half has night?

I'm not good in discussings by using English, but good in using paint. I hope this helps.

wrong if it is a dome the light will illuminate the entire dome

Do you think it is like a light bulb. If there was enough energy, maybe it would illuminate all of dome. but the sun is not so great. The dome is not a glass bulb either.

you didnt read my entire comment if the sun is that small then it would burn out in a 1000 years

Quote from: ausGeoff on October 28, 2017, 08:59:19 AM

Quote from: firejimmy on October 27, 2017, 03:33:54 PM

I love this thread, I really do.  It does show the intelligence level of people on this site, or lack there of.  Especially I love the photo provided showing in incandescent bulb lighting a small portion of a wall.....

LOL... what I find more than funny is that the flat earthers invariably say that all photographic images from NASA or high-altitude aircraft or satellites are bogus, and can't be used as valid evidence in support of a spherical planet.  But in the next breath, they expect us to accept that any/all of the photos the FEs post are legitimate, and should be accepted as honest evidence for whatever they're claiming—like the light-bulb photo.  Pot, meet kettle.

LOL......What I find more than funny is this whole thing about the sun.

But seriously.......from a flat earther's viewpoint, that is.:
The sun "acts like a spotlight and shines directly down on the earth."
There must be some kind of a reflector (like in a flashlight) or some kind of shade (like in a ceiling light) to shape the lighting pattern of the sun into that oval or circular beam as shown in the animation.
The sun must be just inside, under the dome.
There must be some kind of a light track or some way to guide the sun in its orbit....or several tracks for different seasons.
And it looks as if Greenland is in the sunlight, 24 hours per  day, 365/366 days per year.(From the animation.)
At least that is the way I see it.
......Until a flat earther has a better explanation.

But since the sun only shines down on the earth, how the moon and the planets are illuminated is another subject for discussion.
Are there Marsshramps, Venusshramps, etc. besides Moonshramps ?

im with your roundness. round earth for the win

you didnt read my entire comment if the sun is that small then it would burn out in a 1000 years

That depends what composes the Sun. A lot of FE models differ greatly to RET, with good reason; the Sun has to be much smaller under FET than RET, and if that's the case chances are it wouldn't even hold itself together if you try to just transpose the RE model into FET. It doesn't work because it's not meant to.
This kind of applies to that posting an image of a light bulb. We know spotlights exist, we know there are light sources that, when put in a dark room, wouldn't illuminate that entire room. To immediately assume that the FE Sun isn't one of them and is going to light up everything like it does in RET is just, well, bad logic.

Sometimes the Sun is a light reflected off the dome and it dissipates when you get farther away. Sometimes it's a friction-heated metal rod surrounded by stone to form a literal spotlight. Sometimes it is just a generic illuminated body either not formed the same way as the RE Sun, or formed similarly but physics aren't identical under RET.
Disproving FET by forcing RET into it doesn't really accomplish anything.

Quote from: Junker on September 19, 2017, 08:28:04 PM

A rough, illustrative example.

Thank you, that is a very nice representation. I don't understand how roundies can't conceptualize this.

This flat earther response is my favorite of all.  For him to use the word "conceptualize" (clearly a word bigger than he is proven by the fact that his so easily fooled by the horribly obviously photoshopped drop light picture) he tries to make himself sound smarter than he actually is.  This is quite common in the flat earth community.  The flat earthers are the smart ones and us "roundies" are the dumb ones.  Ask them to provide an explanation for a rather simple problem that exists in a flat earth that is so simply explained with a round earth.  They cant do it.  Not one can they explain.  Sunsets/sunrises cant be explained, moon phases, times zones, seasons, long distance air travel and hundreds more all cant be explained.  But its us "roundies" that cant "conceptualize" a photoshopped picture of a drop light and come to the obvious conclusion the the earth is flat.  Its too easy to pick on the flat earth dummies and I almost feel bad for doing it, but i dont.