Proof NASA edited their scans

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rabinoz

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2017, 05:56:21 AM »

Hoppy, I think you will find that NASA thought of all these things and solved the problems before heading for the moon.

So there are problems getting rid of heat in space, but there are ways around those problems.
Thrise hurray for NASA !!!

Thank you Rabinoz for a well reasoned, well formulated explaination of the above human standards reached by NASA on a daily basis in the sixties.
If only they can think of a way to overcome the hazards of the VAB again. ::)
Your ridicule does your case no good, Mr Dutchy. All it proves is that you realise how weak your own arguments are.

There is no "if" about it. The VABs and their radiation were well researched and mapped before the lunar missions.

This Apollo 17 "Blue Marble" photo could not have been taken were it not for the Lunar Transition orbit being well south of the ecliptic to avoid at least some of the VAB radiation.


View of the Earth as seen by the Apollo 17 crew -- astronaut Eugene A. Cernan,
commander; astronaut Ronald E. Evans, command module pilot; and scientist-
astronaut Harrison H. Schmitt, lunar module pilot -- traveling toward the moon.
This translunar coast photograph extends  from the Mediterranean Sea area to the Antarctica South polar ice cap.
This is the first time the Apollo trajectory made it possible to photograph the South polar ice cap.
Note the heavy cloud cover in the Southern Hemisphere.
Almost the entire coastline of Africa is clearly visible.
The Arabian Peninsula can be seen at the Northeastern edge of Africa.
The large island off the coast of Africa is the Malagasy Republic.
The Asian mainland is on the horizon toward the Northeast.

Image Credit: NASA
           

That photo shows all of the Antarctic ice mass, which is uncommon as most photos are taken for a near-equatorial orbit.

But do we have to explain the way to overcome the hazards of the VAB again and again and again?
You seem to have the memory of a Gold Fish!

Firstly, you would know nothing of the Van Allen Belts were it not for the research done by BASA and other space agencies.

Just look who this was written to and you still come up with your stupid VAB tripe!
The van Allen belts are donut shaped. The Apollo missions went around them
You cannot proper 'calculate' a route through something that as we know now was not really known in 1969 ( third outerbelt).
Where was the 'calculation' based upon ? As it seems a halfbaked understanding of the very complex VAB.
It is clear as day that the spokesman of Orion explains that the hazards of the VAB are still to risky to put men through them.
The amount of nonsense i read about what this spokesman actually meant is puzzling.
'He meant the far more delicate computers', etc.
Why didn't he say that we can easily take the '69 shortcut ? We did it 7 times in a row !
Minimal exposure, no life threatening dosis of radiation.
Since they have admitted before congress that they are going back to the moon as 'the next step', before attempting to go to mars with a manned mission. it is time for NASA to explain why the VAB makes sure we are getting behind schedule.
Simply use the '69 technologies that worked flawlessly, and are according to the pro NASA fanboys extremely well known and documented. The onboard computers is the only thing that really needs an update, the rest worked better than in NASA's wildest dreams.

Strange , very strange indeed.
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Not so strange when you understand the type of radiation in the van Allen belts.
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Claim: There is too much radiation in outer space for manned space travel.

This general charge is usually made by people who don't understand very much at all about radiation. After witnessing the horrors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the tragedy of Chernobyl it is not surprising that the idea of radiation should elicit an intuitively fearful reaction. But when you understand the different types of radiation and what can be done about them, it becomes a manageable problem to avoid radiation exposure.

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Claim: It doesn't matter how difficult or expensive it might have been to falsify the lunar landings. Since it was absolutely impossible to solve the radiation problem, the landings had to have been faked.

This is a common method of argument that attempts to prove something that can't be proven, by disproving something else. In this case the reader is compelled to accept the conspiracy theory and all its attendant problems and improbabilities, simply on the basis that no matter how difficult, absurd, or far-fetched a particular proposition may be, if it's the only alternative to something clearly impossible then it must -- somehow -- have come to pass. This false dilemma is aimed at pushing the reader past healthy skepticism and into a frame of mind where the absurd seems plausible.

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Claim: The Van Allen belts are full of deadly radiation, and anyone passing through them would be fried.

Needless to say, this is a very simplistic statement. Yes, there is deadly radiation in the Van Allen belts, but the nature of that radiation was known to the Apollo engineers and they were able to make suitable preparations. The principle danger of the Van Allen belts is high-energy protons, which are not that difficult to shield against. And the Apollo navigators plotted a course through the thinnest parts of the belts and arranged for the spacecraft to pass through them quickly, limiting the exposure.

The Van Allen belts span only about forty degrees of earth's latitude -- twenty degrees above and below the magnetic equator. The diagrams of Apollo's translunar trajectory printed in various press releases are not entirely accurate. They tend to show only a two-dimensional version of the actual trajectory. The actual trajectory was three-dimensional. The highly technical reports of Apollo, accessible to but not generally understood by the public, give the three-dimensional details of the translunar trajectory.

Each mission flew a slightly different trajectory in order to access its landing site, but the orbital inclination of the translunar coast trajectory was always in the neighborhood of 30°. Stated another way, the geometric plane containing the translunar trajectory was inclined to the earth's equator by about 30°. A spacecraft following that trajectory would bypass all but the edges of the Van Allen belts.

This is not to dispute that passage through the Van Allen belts would be dangerous. But NASA conducted a series of experiments designed to investigate the nature of the Van Allen belts, culminating in the repeated traversal of the Southern Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly (an intense, low-hanging patch of Van Allen belt) by the Gemini 10 astronauts.
All from CLAVIUS ENVIRONMENT, Radiation and the Van Allen Belts
and while you are at it learn a bit about types of radiation, because you are clearly quite ignorant, see
CLAVIUS ENVIRONMENT, Radiation Primer.

Put simply:
1) NASA had done much study of the Van Allen Belts before the mission. All the information we have on the comes from NASA!

2) The radiation is mainly charged particles, which unlike gamma radiation, requires relatively little lightweight shielding.

3) Whatever you might claim, the trajectories were chosen to minimise the time in the VABs.

And I stress, ALL you know of the Van Allen Belts comes from NASA (and possibly other space agencies), for stop pretending that you know more than they do.

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2017, 06:09:09 AM »
Enjoy your ''munlundings'' before reality kicks in and destroys more than your childhood fantasies.
I am going to enjoy these moonlandings and pictures of earth maybe some 50 years more and your reality is going to be all this time in some dark corner. Fussing over outside world sometimes to make others notice it. And you are going to your grave still fantasizing how you are gonna "prove" that moonlandings are fake. You can make a note and when time comes you can verify that my prediction was right.
Aren't you losing the plot with these kind of remarks ?
Don't know what you mean. Or do you imply that you are going to live forever?
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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dutchy

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2017, 06:11:20 AM »
how is your experiment coming along that you promised to perform?
Zero, nada !!!

And you know why ?

Because till yesterday the weather was abysmal...and last weekend i had time to go to the beach.
Today the weather is lovely and in fact the kind of weather i was hoping for the other week.
But i have to earn some ''Ka Ching'' to feed my children, the dogs and cats  ;D
The only reason that i am typing this from behind my computer is that my second car is at the garage for maintenance and my wife is attending university in Utrecht....someone has to stay home to receive our youngest daughter with tea and cookies after school.

A pitty, no time, no need to go on a 50km trip to make some interresting pictures.
And this is destined for hard working family men that don't live in realms of the internet.
Please ask me again somewhere in februari 2018 when the weather is bone dry and an occasional good day will be perfect for my test results....if non of the above will ruin my schedule.

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Canadabear

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2017, 07:03:58 AM »
how is your experiment coming along that you promised to perform?
Zero, nada !!!

And you know why ?

Because till yesterday the weather was abysmal...and last weekend i had time to go to the beach.
Today the weather is lovely and in fact the kind of weather i was hoping for the other week.
But i have to earn some ''Ka Ching'' to feed my children, the dogs and cats  ;D
The only reason that i am typing this from behind my computer is that my second car is at the garage for maintenance and my wife is attending university in Utrecht....someone has to stay home to receive our youngest daughter with tea and cookies after school.

A pitty, no time, no need to go on a 50km trip to make some interresting pictures.
And this is destined for hard working family men that don't live in realms of the internet.
Please ask me again somewhere in februari 2018 when the weather is bone dry and an occasional good day will be perfect for my test results....if non of the above will ruin my schedule.

ok i will remember.

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markjo

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2017, 07:11:36 AM »
So, is everyone in agreement that the OP intentionally lied when he tried to pass off scans of 2 different pictures as an alleged NASA deception?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Canadabear

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2017, 07:21:03 AM »
So, is everyone in agreement that the OP intentionally lied when he tried to pass off scans of 2 different pictures as an alleged NASA deception?

and in addition to that: as he is lying with his publication and he is a member of the Flat Earth Society, we can conclude that the whole Flat Earth Society is lying.

argued as a true FEIB does.

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Crutchwater

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2017, 07:33:54 AM »
So, is everyone in agreement that the OP intentionally lied when he tried to pass off scans of 2 different pictures as an alleged NASA deception?

and in addition to that: as he is lying with his publication and he is a member of the Flat Earth Society, we can conclude that the whole Flat Earth Society is lying.

argued as a true FEIB does.

RE wins by complete annihilation!
I will always be Here To Laugh At You.

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dutchy

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #37 on: September 21, 2017, 07:59:48 AM »
So, is everyone in agreement that the OP intentionally lied when he tried to pass off scans of 2 different pictures as an alleged NASA deception?

and in addition to that: as he is lying with his publication and he is a member of the Flat Earth Society, we can conclude that the whole Flat Earth Society is lying.

argued as a true FEIB does.

RE wins by complete annihilation!
Psssst.... this is going to happen to your ''blue marble''  ;D

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Canadabear

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2017, 08:01:53 AM »
So, is everyone in agreement that the OP intentionally lied when he tried to pass off scans of 2 different pictures as an alleged NASA deception?

and in addition to that: as he is lying with his publication and he is a member of the Flat Earth Society, we can conclude that the whole Flat Earth Society is lying.

argued as a true FEIB does.

RE wins by complete annihilation!
Psssst.... this is going to happen to your ''blue marble''  ;D


why should it.

show us the evidence that proves the earth is not a globe in a heliocentric model.

BTW, your idea looks like this:



 ;D ;D ;D
« Last Edit: September 21, 2017, 08:04:34 AM by Canadabear »

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dutchy

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2017, 08:12:49 AM »
So, is everyone in agreement that the OP intentionally lied when he tried to pass off scans of 2 different pictures as an alleged NASA deception?

and in addition to that: as he is lying with his publication and he is a member of the Flat Earth Society, we can conclude that the whole Flat Earth Society is lying.

argued as a true FEIB does.

RE wins by complete annihilation!
Psssst.... this is going to happen to your ''blue marble''  ;D


why should it.

show us the evidence that proves the earth is not a globe in a heliocentric model.

BTW, your idea looks like this:



 ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Always like some good laughs !

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markjo

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #40 on: September 21, 2017, 08:26:45 AM »
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Always like some good laughs !
Yes, watching FE'ers "debunk RET" is always good for a laugh.  :D
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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zork

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #41 on: September 21, 2017, 09:16:38 AM »
Psssst.... this is going to happen to your ''blue marble''  ;D

You are ... lets be polite here, a dreamer. You are saying it now. You are still saying it next year. And still after 10 years. And if you are alive from 50 years now the situation is still same. No on has done what you claim here. As I said, make a note and look at it on your deathbed. Earth stays round and your claim is never gonna happen.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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sokarul

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #42 on: September 21, 2017, 09:21:45 AM »

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Always like some good laughs !
I laughed when rabinoz made a great post and you ran away crying.
ANNIHILATOR OF  SHIFTER

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dutchy

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2017, 11:20:25 AM »

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Always like some good laughs !
I laughed when rabinoz made a great post and you ran away crying.
Ahhh the real blue marble picture......i confess i cried a bit......
That people in our days and age still believe the official stories like astronauts not really wanting to take a picture, but couldn't resist when observing our beautifull home during that mission.
I think that is about the only believable aspect of the intire moon missions !!!!
Namely that when you see our earth in all it's beauty,....fuck the protocol, the tight schedules and take truckloads of pictures with your Hasselblad.

Now take a long deep breath and read the above a couple of times !!

dumdidumdidumdidumdidum.....done it ?

But when the astronauts were on the moon, this eager to photograph or film a moving earth was absent.
All about the flag, the lunar module and Buzz.
We are presented with very few photographs that have ''earth'' in the background (albite clearly photoshopped in most of them).

The fact that the apollo 11 astronauts did not consider this part of their task is telling , contrary to the logic involved in the ''blue marble picture'' (couldn't resist to take a photograph despite other duties) this logic was  fully absent during the hours they walked on the moon.
Stick to the protocol, don't gaze upwards, only shoot the LM, rover and flag......resist, resist, resist earth in the sky.
Any sane person could not resist to at least shoot a full magazine to capture earth instead of capturing a flag, rover and module from various angles.

And yes it gives me tears that addults over here defend such a position of lunacy and insanity to keep the Apollo fairytale alive..

Where are my napkins.....sorry it is a bit to much at times......


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Canadabear

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #44 on: September 21, 2017, 11:27:33 AM »

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Always like some good laughs !
I laughed when rabinoz made a great post and you ran away crying.
Ahhh the real blue marble picture......i confess i cried a bit......
That people in our days and age still believe the official stories like astronauts not really wanting to take a picture, but couldn't resist when observing our beautifull home during that mission.
I think that is about the only believable aspect of the intire moon missions !!!!
Namely that when you see our earth in all it's beauty,....fuck the protocol, the tight schedules and take truckloads of pictures with your Hasselblad.

Now take a long deep breath and read the above a couple of times !!

dumdidumdidumdidumdidum.....done it ?

But when the astronauts were on the moon, this eager to photograph or film a moving earth was absent.
All about the flag, the lunar module and Buzz.
We are presented with very few photographs that have ''earth'' in the background (albite clearly photoshopped in most of them).

The fact that the apollo 11 astronauts did not consider this part of their task is telling , contrary to the logic involved in the ''blue marble picture'' (couldn't resist to take a photograph despite other duties) this logic was  fully absent during the hours they walked on the moon.
Stick to the protocol, don't gaze upwards, only shoot the LM, rover and flag......resist, resist, resist earth in the sky.
Any sane person could not resist to at least shoot a full magazine to capture earth instead of capturing a flag, rover and module from various angles.

And yes it gives me tears that addults over here defend such a position of lunacy and insanity to keep the Apollo fairytale alive..

Where are my napkins.....sorry it is a bit to much at times......

how about you present evidence for all these claims.

you saw to much conspiracy movies.
or do you watch InfoWARS and get your brain cooked from the nonsense.

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dutchy

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #45 on: September 21, 2017, 11:42:22 AM »
you saw to much conspiracy movies.
or do you watch InfoWARS and get your brain cooked from the nonsense.
Nah....Alex Jones is a lunatic likewise David Icke.

But i happen to know a member who posts his Apollo shit also over at David Icke's forum ,as a quick google search showed. ;D

I watched all Jarrah White's moonfaker video's and his other succesfull attempts to debunk the Apollo fantasies.
The effect it had on Jay Windley, Astrobrant, the myth busters and Phill Plait made me swing towards the Apollo hoax theory.
Those mean, arrogant and angry apologists were to much to hang onto the official storyline.
If a ''teenager'' from Australia can create such a buzz and all NASA fanboys going crazy, then something must be sincerely wrong with the truth that does not need to rely on pathetic attempts to demonise anyone who questions Apollo.
And
You should dig into the subject some more and maybe you will have a different view in time.

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Canadabear

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #46 on: September 21, 2017, 11:58:12 AM »
you saw to much conspiracy movies.
or do you watch InfoWARS and get your brain cooked from the nonsense.
Nah....Alex Jones is a lunatic likewise David Icke.

But i happen to know a member who posts his Apollo shit also over at David Icke's forum ,as a quick google search showed. ;D

I watched all Jarrah White's moonfaker video's and his other succesfull attempts to debunk the Apollo fantasies.
The effect it had on Jay Windley, Astrobrant, the myth busters and Phill Plait made me swing towards the Apollo hoax theory.
Those mean, arrogant and angry apologists were to much to hang onto the official storyline.
If a ''teenager'' from Australia can create such a buzz and all NASA fanboys going crazy, then something must be sincerely wrong with the truth that does not need to rely on pathetic attempts to demonise anyone who questions Apollo.
And
You should dig into the subject some more and maybe you will have a different view in time.

did you check their claims what you all watched?
did you checked out any scientific publications about space travel and the science behind it, and if so did you really understand it?

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markjo

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #47 on: September 21, 2017, 12:21:50 PM »

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Always like some good laughs !
I laughed when rabinoz made a great post and you ran away crying.
Ahhh the real blue marble picture......i confess i cried a bit......
That people in our days and age still believe the official stories like astronauts not really wanting to take a picture, but couldn't resist when observing our beautifull home during that mission.
I think that is about the only believable aspect of the intire moon missions !!!!
Namely that when you see our earth in all it's beauty,....fuck the protocol, the tight schedules and take truckloads of pictures with your Hasselblad.

Now take a long deep breath and read the above a couple of times !!

dumdidumdidumdidumdidum.....done it ?

But when the astronauts were on the moon, this eager to photograph or film a moving earth was absent.
All about the flag, the lunar module and Buzz.
We are presented with very few photographs that have ''earth'' in the background (albite clearly photoshopped in most of them).

The fact that the apollo 11 astronauts did not consider this part of their task is telling , contrary to the logic involved in the ''blue marble picture'' (couldn't resist to take a photograph despite other duties) this logic was  fully absent during the hours they walked on the moon.
Stick to the protocol, don't gaze upwards, only shoot the LM, rover and flag......resist, resist, resist earth in the sky.
Any sane person could not resist to at least shoot a full magazine to capture earth instead of capturing a flag, rover and module from various angles.

And yes it gives me tears that addults over here defend such a position of lunacy and insanity to keep the Apollo fairytale alive..

Where are my napkins.....sorry it is a bit to much at times......
What makes you think that the Apollo 11 astronauts didn't take any pictures of the earth?  ???
https://history.nasa.gov/ap11ann/kippsphotos/apollo.html




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dutchy

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #48 on: September 21, 2017, 12:27:37 PM »
What makes you think that the Apollo 11 astronauts didn't take any pictures of the earth?  ???
Fuck me....i clearly said FEW PHOTOGRAPHS not ANY !
Are you really so obsessed with your one sided views that even the most obvious language fully escapes you markjo ?


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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #49 on: September 21, 2017, 12:32:29 PM »




The above image shows Jack White found jpeg compression, nothing else.  Is that the best you can do to prove your supposed "clearly photoshopped" statement?

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zork

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #50 on: September 21, 2017, 12:37:18 PM »
Exactly. Get the raw image http://tothemoon.ser.asu.edu/data_a70/AS17/raw/AS17-134-20384.tif and use this, dutchy. I don't think you can get same effect with this.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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markjo

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #51 on: September 21, 2017, 12:41:43 PM »
What makes you think that the Apollo 11 astronauts didn't take any pictures of the earth?  ???
Fuck me....i clearly said FEW PHOTOGRAPHS not ANY !
Are you really so obsessed with your one sided views that even the most obvious language fully escapes you markjo ?
When you say that Apollo 11 astronauts were supposed to take pictures of the lunar rover, I don't think that you have much room to criticize.

The fact that the apollo 11 astronauts did not consider this part of their task is telling , contrary to the logic involved in the ''blue marble picture'' (couldn't resist to take a photograph despite other duties) this logic was  fully absent during the hours they walked on the moon.
Stick to the protocol, don't gaze upwards, only shoot the LM, rover and flag......resist, resist, resist earth in the sky.

Besides, you live on earth for your whole life, but you're visiting the moon for a few hours.  Where do you think that your attention is going to be?
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Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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dutchy

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #52 on: September 21, 2017, 12:45:06 PM »




The above image shows Jack White found jpeg compression, nothing else.  Is that the best you can do to prove your supposed "clearly photoshopped" statement?
Ahhh the Clavius guy aka David Icke forum member.

''jpp'' compression artifacts........
A well though and well reasoned NASA spokesmen answer, but not close enough.....photoshop amatures !

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zork

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #53 on: September 21, 2017, 12:46:34 PM »
''jpp'' compression artifacts........
A well though and well reasoned NASA spokesmen answer, but not close enough.....photoshop amatures !
Get the raw image http://tothemoon.ser.asu.edu/data_a70/AS17/raw/AS17-134-20384.tif and use this. I dare you.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2017, 12:55:26 PM »




The above image shows Jack White found jpeg compression, nothing else.  Is that the best you can do to prove your supposed "clearly photoshopped" statement?
Ahhh the Clavius guy aka David Icke forum member.

''jpp'' compression artifacts........
A well though and well reasoned NASA spokesmen answer, but not close enough.....photoshop amatures !
What is jpp?

If you can prove they are not jpeg compression then do so but I know you won't.  But please, post some more humor from Jack White.  Always amusing to see the "work" of the self-proclaimed photo analyst that repeatedly couldn't tell one side of the LM from another and didn't seem to understand perspective.

And by the way, as I've mentioned before and you apparently ignored, I haven't posted on the David Icke forum in years.  And when I did I stayed away from the nutty lizard crap.  But it apparently bothers you bothers you quite a bit that I had a life outside this forum and went other places in the last 20 years.  How many places will we find your name when you get to 20 years online?

And Clavius doesn't have a forum.  The one you're thinking of is apollohoax.net (where I'm currently not very active and haven't been for a while) But I'm sure you got that from your hero Jarrah White.  Since you seem so concerned with the actions of a few towards him (since when is laughing and proving all his stuff bullshit equal to anger?) you should ask him about when he tried to debate Jay Windley on the old IMDB forum.  He quickly realized he couldn't google the knowledge he needed and started dropping every curse word in the book to get his account banned so IMDB would delete all his posts.

and I do not now, nor have I ever worked for NASA nor do I receive compensation from them in any way.  But thanks for showing you have to resort to the shill gambit to try to make your points.
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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #55 on: September 21, 2017, 01:10:33 PM »

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Always like some good laughs !
I laughed when rabinoz made a great post and you ran away crying.
Ahhh the real blue marble picture......i confess i cried a bit......
That people in our days and age still believe the official stories like astronauts not really wanting to take a picture, but couldn't resist when observing our beautifull home during that mission.
I think that is about the only believable aspect of the intire moon missions !!!!
Namely that when you see our earth in all it's beauty,....fuck the protocol, the tight schedules and take truckloads of pictures with your Hasselblad.

Now take a long deep breath and read the above a couple of times !!

dumdidumdidumdidumdidum.....done it ?

But when the astronauts were on the moon, this eager to photograph or film a moving earth was absent.
All about the flag, the lunar module and Buzz.
We are presented with very few photographs that have ''earth'' in the background (albite clearly photoshopped in most of them).

The fact that the apollo 11 astronauts did not consider this part of their task is telling , contrary to the logic involved in the ''blue marble picture'' (couldn't resist to take a photograph despite other duties) this logic was  fully absent during the hours they walked on the moon.
Stick to the protocol, don't gaze upwards, only shoot the LM, rover and flag......resist, resist, resist earth in the sky.
Any sane person could not resist to at least shoot a full magazine to capture earth instead of capturing a flag, rover and module from various angles.

And yes it gives me tears that addults over here defend such a position of lunacy and insanity to keep the Apollo fairytale alive..

Where are my napkins.....sorry it is a bit to much at times......
I don't understand how you can be so opinionated about something you know so little about. 

- The "Blue Marble" photo was from Apollo 17, not 11. 
- Their "duties" during the trip there and back were fairly limited.  The schedule was extremely tight during their surface time.
- Proving the Earth is round was not one of their mission objectives, so there were no specific tasks allocated to that.
- Despite that, there were photos taken of the Earth both from the CSM and the Lunar surface, as well as a significant video segment from at least the Apollo 17 mission.
- Photographing their equipment was a mission objective, especially for the earlier missions, as they needed as much data as possible to identify any potential issues for future missions.  Despite copious testing on Earth, in orbit, and in lunar orbit, the first landings were still pioneering and no one was arrogant enough to assume that there was no possibility of error.
- The lunar rover was not a piece of equipment to be photographed until they brought one for Apollo 15, 16, and 17.

Dutchy, I don't think you're a stupid person by any stretch.  But you are woefully, and willfully, ignorant if you have accepted other people's claims of Apollo being a hoax without researching yourself and knowing these simple facts.  I am far from an expert, but I have read astronaut biographies, books and articles from mission controllers, and works of non-fiction from people who are experts.  I've met and spoken with Gerry Griffin, one of the Flight Directors during Apollo and Jack Schmidt, one of the Apollo 17 astronauts.  Apollo was, by leaps and bounds, the most impressive accomplishment in human history, and you do the people involved, and yourself, a huge disservice to deny the grandeur of its truth because you are simply to lazy to investigate it thoroughly on your own.  Stop listening to the conspiracists, who have nothing to offer but hypotheticals, rife with error, contradiction, and ignorance.  Don't even listen to me, or people like me.  Read about it from the people who were there, and the people who have spent a lifetime gathering and presenting all of the information for those of us who couldn't be a part of it personally.

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #56 on: September 21, 2017, 01:27:20 PM »
If you can prove they are not jpeg compression then do so but I know you won't.  But please, post some more humor from Jack White.  Always amusing to see the "work" of the self-proclaimed photo analyst that repeatedly couldn't tell one side of the LM from another and didn't seem to understand perspective.
You mean this fake parallax that cannot be duplicated on earth ?

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And by the way, as I've mentioned before and you apparently ignored, I haven't posted on the David Icke forum in years.  And when I did I stayed away from the nutty lizard crap.  But it apparently bothers you bothers you quite a bit that I had a life outside this forum and went other places in the last 20 years.  How many places will we find your name when you get to 20 years online?
Two !!!
This place and a religious forum !
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And Clavius doesn't have a forum.  The one you're thinking of is apollohoax.net (where I'm currently not very active and haven't been for a while) But I'm sure you got that from your hero Jarrah White.  Since you seem so concerned with the actions of a few towards him (since when is laughing and proving all his stuff bullshit equal to anger?) you should ask him about when he tried to debate Jay Windley on the old IMDB forum.  He quickly realized he couldn't google the knowledge he needed and started dropping every curse word in the book to get his account banned so IMDB would delete all his posts.
You mean the time ''Jay Windley and co'' lied about what Brian O'Leary has said about the ''munlundings'' ?
The claims were that Brian O'leary truly believed the moonlandings were real ! a Brian O'Leary quote online from the Apollo fanboy club :
''It was real'' he (Brian O'Leary) says succinctly. ''Apollo happened''.

Here is what O'leary really said when asked about it online:
Hi, i really don't know.......Fox tv has a way of distorting context !
think they land but am not 100% sure. The condition of the world is such that we have more important questions to ask than that one


This is the repair job i accuse you and your lying friends are trying to pull off in each and every subject relating to Apollo.
The vast majority does not notice your little attempts to massage reality to make things look more favourable towards Apollo.
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and I do not now, nor have I ever worked for NASA nor do I receive compensation from them in any way.  But thanks for showing you have to resort to the shill gambit to try to make your points.
Shill gambit ??  ;D Pot and kettle ?

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #57 on: September 21, 2017, 01:37:08 PM »
Dutchy, dutchy, dutchy. http://tothemoon.ser.asu.edu/data_a70/AS17/raw/AS17-134-20384.tif
Or are you afraid of results?
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #58 on: September 21, 2017, 01:46:39 PM »
Dutchy, dutchy, dutchy. http://tothemoon.ser.asu.edu/data_a70/AS17/raw/AS17-134-20384.tif
Or are you afraid of results?
Do i have to corrupt my computer ?  ::)

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Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2017, 01:52:42 PM »
Dutchy, dutchy, dutchy. http://tothemoon.ser.asu.edu/data_a70/AS17/raw/AS17-134-20384.tif
Or are you afraid of results?
Do i have to corrupt my computer ?  ::)
Its tif, image file. How do you corrupt your computer with it? Download the image and I  really dare you to get same results as you showed with this jpg file.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.