How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?

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The scientist today are really stupid, if you look at their track record. For decades they believed and did research work and Ph’d on the Piltdown Man?

If this group of people were stupid enough to believe that lie, when why would you expect them the smart enough to distinguish another lie?

Their track record has proven that if something fits into their narrative, they will believe it.

The Piltdown Man was a phony, but the scientific community did not investigate it, but spend thousands of dollars in research to support it.

Know, the same hold true to the scientists that believe in the heliocentric hypothesis. If you give them enough CGI videos and some complicated equations, they will believe it, without questions, as long as it fits into their narrative.

They will also defend it to the max.

So bottom line, can the scientific community be trusted that they don’t believe in lies?
To simply dismiss the concept of God as being unscientific is to violate the very objectivity of science itself.

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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2017, 09:10:01 AM »
The scientist today are really stupid, if you look at their track record. For decades they believed and did research work and Ph’d on the Piltdown Man?

If this group of people were stupid enough to believe that lie, when why would you expect them the smart enough to distinguish another lie?

Their track record has proven that if something fits into their narrative, they will believe it.

The Piltdown Man was a phony, but the scientific community did not investigate it, but spend thousands of dollars in research to support it.

Know, the same hold true to the scientists that believe in the heliocentric hypothesis. If you give them enough CGI videos and some complicated equations, they will believe it, without questions, as long as it fits into their narrative.

They will also defend it to the max.

So bottom line, can the scientific community be trusted that they don’t believe in lies?
As opposed to some guy on YouTube who can't give a reasonable explanation for sunsets?
Yes.

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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2017, 09:23:02 AM »
The scientific community has a lot of wins under their collective belt.

And there neat thing about science? Even when there is a forgery like the Piltdown Man, the truth comes out. It's worth pointing out, there was a lot of doubt among scientists during the 40-year span of that particular scam. Starting as early as 1915.

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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2017, 09:26:21 AM »
The scientist today are really stupid, if you look at their track record. For decades they believed and did research work and Ph’d on the Piltdown Man?

If this group of people were stupid enough to believe that lie, when why would you expect them the smart enough to distinguish another lie?

Their track record has proven that if something fits into their narrative, they will believe it.

The Piltdown Man was a phony, but the scientific community did not investigate it, but spend thousands of dollars in research to support it.

Know, the same hold true to the scientists that believe in the heliocentric hypothesis. If you give them enough CGI videos and some complicated equations, they will believe it, without questions, as long as it fits into their narrative.

They will also defend it to the max.

So bottom line, can the scientific community be trusted that they don’t believe in lies?
As opposed to some guy on YouTube who can't give a reasonable explanation for sunsets?
Yes.

You are talking about one person and I am talking about a whole scientific community. The Best, of the best, of the best, got coned into believing into a lie.

But not all people believe in the lie, the people that you ridicule these days, the Christians, the Jews and the Muslims, knew that the Piltdown Man was a phony, because we knew our history from the  Bible.
 
So why should we believe you on the Heliocentric Hypothesis, when we have so much science in the bible?

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InFlatEarth

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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2017, 09:28:12 AM »
And your science we know that it does not hold water.

You can't even draw a free body diagram
To simply dismiss the concept of God as being unscientific is to violate the very objectivity of science itself.

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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2017, 09:29:54 AM »
And your science we know that it does not hold water.

You can't even draw a free body diagram
You have no valid science.

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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2017, 09:32:47 AM »
And your science we know that it does not hold water.

You can't even draw a free body diagram
You have no valid science.

My science is valid and in my 'model" of the Earth, I can draw you any Free Body diagram your heart desired to have.
To simply dismiss the concept of God as being unscientific is to violate the very objectivity of science itself.

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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2017, 09:38:37 AM »
And your science we know that it does not hold water.

You can't even draw a free body diagram
You have no valid science.

My science is valid and in my 'model" of the Earth, I can draw you any Free Body diagram your heart desired to have.

Then draw one on Polaris.
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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2017, 09:41:07 AM »
And your science we know that it does not hold water.

You can't even draw a free body diagram
You have no valid science.

My science is valid and in my 'model" of the Earth, I can draw you any Free Body diagram your heart desired to have.

Then draw one on Polaris.

Please supply relative information, mass and diameter in kg and km
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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2017, 09:44:12 AM »
And your science we know that it does not hold water.

You can't even draw a free body diagram
You have no valid science.

My science is valid and in my 'model" of the Earth, I can draw you any Free Body diagram your heart desired to have.

Then draw one on Polaris.

Please supply relative information, mass and diameter in kg and km

How would I know, the question how far a photon could travel hasn't been answered yet.
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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2017, 09:45:54 AM »
And your science we know that it does not hold water.

You can't even draw a free body diagram
You have no valid science.

My science is valid and in my 'model" of the Earth, I can draw you any Free Body diagram your heart desired to have.

Then draw one on Polaris.

You can't draw a FBD of a light source, but if Polaris was a star, the it would something like this that I found on the web

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/258239693_fig3_Figure-3-FREE-BODY-DIAGRAM-OF-STAR
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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2017, 01:14:18 PM »
The scientist today are really stupid, if you look at their track record. For decades they believed and did research work and Ph’d on the Piltdown Man?

A few may have, for a while. So what?

Why are you so angry at scientists? Were the nerdy kids mean to you in school? Are you unable to win an argument with scientists, so the only option you see is to lash out and call them stupid? Boy, that stings! ::)

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If this group of people were stupid enough to believe that lie, when why would you expect them the smart enough to distinguish another lie?

They were smart enough to recognize, and then conclusively show, it was a hoax.

Why the attitude?

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Their track record has proven that if something fits into their narrative, they will believe it.

Sometimes. In science, though, until there is independent confirming data, conclusions will be suspect.

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The Piltdown Man was a phony, but the scientific community did not investigate it, but spend thousands of dollars in research to support it.

Citation needed.

If no investigation was conducted, how was the hoax discovered and put to rest? Your statement makes no sense.

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Know, the same hold true to the scientists that believe in the heliocentric hypothesis. If you give them enough CGI videos and some complicated equations, they will believe it, without questions, as long as it fits into their narrative.

Well, there's the small matter that the heliocentric model of the solar system describes observations and provides reliable (and testable!) predictions about what hasn't happened yet.

Did you know that the heliocentric model of the solar system has been accepted as correct for centuries, but practical CGI has existed for only two or three decades. If your claim were correct, why did anyone believe it before the 1980s? Your assertion makes no sense whatever.

If it takes complicated equations to accurately describe reality, then they will be useful insofar as they do describe reality. Why do you see that as a problem? Do feel intimidated by people who worked harder than you did when they had a chance to learn mathematics, and what they can do with it? Tough.

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They will also defend it to the max.\

Sure. Why not? It works well. If something demonstrably better comes along, the heliocentric model will be replaced by the better model.

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So bottom line, can the scientific community be trusted that they don’t believe in lies?

Occasionally data is falsified; when it happens, good research will bring it to light. It would be pretty difficult to falsify data about the shape of the earth and the motion of the earth and planets because that data is constantly being tested by a large number of people.

Going back to your initial assertion, for the entirety of its existence, Piltdown Man was viewed with quite a bit of skepticism. In all areas of research, some paths of investigation are dead ends. Eventually, lines that prove useful, survive, while others die out. That, incidentally, is how evolution works.
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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2017, 01:23:47 PM »
The scientist today are really stupid, if you look at their track record. For decades they believed and did research work and Ph’d on the Piltdown Man?

A few may have, for a while. So what?

Why are you so angry at scientists? Were the nerdy kids mean to you in school? Are you unable to win an argument with scientists, so the only option you see is to lash out and call them stupid? Boy, that stings! ::)

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If this group of people were stupid enough to believe that lie, when why would you expect them the smart enough to distinguish another lie?

They were smart enough to recognize, and then conclusively show, it was a hoax.

Why the attitude?

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Their track record has proven that if something fits into their narrative, they will believe it.

Sometimes. In science, though, until there is independent confirming data, conclusions will be suspect.

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The Piltdown Man was a phony, but the scientific community did not investigate it, but spend thousands of dollars in research to support it.

Citation needed.

If no investigation was conducted, how was the hoax discovered and put to rest? Your statement makes no sense.

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Know, the same hold true to the scientists that believe in the heliocentric hypothesis. If you give them enough CGI videos and some complicated equations, they will believe it, without questions, as long as it fits into their narrative.

Well, there's the small matter that the heliocentric model of the solar system describes observations and provides reliable (and testable!) predictions about what hasn't happened yet.

Did you know that the heliocentric model of the solar system has been accepted as correct for centuries, but practical CGI has existed for only two or three decades. If your claim were correct, why did anyone believe it before the 1980s? Your assertion makes no sense whatever.

If it takes complicated equations to accurately describe reality, then they will be useful insofar as they do describe reality. Why do you see that as a problem? Do feel intimidated by people who worked harder than you did when they had a chance to learn mathematics, and what they can do with it? Tough.

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They will also defend it to the max.\

Sure. Why not? It works well. If something demonstrably better comes along, the heliocentric model will be replaced by the better model.

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So bottom line, can the scientific community be trusted that they don’t believe in lies?

Occasionally data is falsified; when it happens, good research will bring it to light. It would be pretty difficult to falsify data about the shape of the earth and the motion of the earth and planets because that data is constantly being tested by a large number of people.

Going back to your initial assertion, for the entirety of its existence, Piltdown Man was viewed with quite a bit of skepticism. In all areas of research, some paths of investigation are dead ends. Eventually, lines that prove useful, survive, while others die out. That, incidentally, is how evolution works.

A few?? It was the whole community and they even founded research on the subject. People even got Phd on the matter. Oh by the way, did the scientific community ever recall those PhD's...

The stupidity was not that much that they believed him, but that they did not even bother to inspect the bones, but just accepted his finding. They did not suspect his findings but trusted it blindly.

After decades of not investigating the findings, one man had the courage to demand to see the original bones, and he proved that it was a phony .

You can read about it here -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_Man





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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2017, 01:27:34 PM »
You are talking about one person and I am talking about a whole scientific community. The Best, of the best, of the best, got coned into believing into a lie.
Are you suggesting that paleontology is the whole scientific community?


My science is valid and in my 'model" of the Earth, I can draw you any Free Body diagram your heart desired to have.
How about a FBD of the sun and moon orbiting above the flat earth?
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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2017, 01:37:02 PM »
You are talking about one person and I am talking about a whole scientific community. The Best, of the best, of the best, got coned into believing into a lie.
Are you suggesting that paleontology is the whole scientific community?


My science is valid and in my 'model" of the Earth, I can draw you any Free Body diagram your heart desired to have.
How about a FBD of the sun and moon orbiting above the flat earth?

At the time they were THE scientific community that everybody paid attention too.


I just realize why you never drew me the Free Body Diagram of the airplane when landing.

You have no idea what a FBD is and how to draw it.

A free Body diagram is just 1 object that has all the forces that interact with it.

You can't have multiple object in 1 free body diagram

Are you stupid or something?????

And on this note, Good night!!!
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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2017, 01:40:24 PM »
You are talking about one person and I am talking about a whole scientific community. The Best, of the best, of the best, got coned into believing into a lie.
Are you suggesting that paleontology is the whole scientific community?
At the time they were THE scientific community that everybody paid attention too.
So paleontologists did all of the astronomy and particle physics of the day?  Good to know. ::)
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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2017, 01:54:09 PM »
You are talking about one person and I am talking about a whole scientific community. The Best, of the best, of the best, got coned into believing into a lie.
Are you suggesting that paleontology is the whole scientific community?
Or that anthropology is all of paleontology?
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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2017, 02:01:47 PM »
You've made mistakes, haven't you? Everyone has. It's not stupidity, it's humanity. The problem is and will always be the people who refuse to admit the possibility that they are wrong.
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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2017, 02:15:32 PM »
The scientist today are really stupid, if you look at their track record. For decades they believed and did research work and Ph’d on the Piltdown Man?

If this group of people were stupid enough to believe that lie, when why would you expect them the smart enough to distinguish another lie?

Their track record has proven that if something fits into their narrative, they will believe it.

The Piltdown Man was a phony, but the scientific community did not investigate it, but spend thousands of dollars in research to support it.

Know, the same hold true to the scientists that believe in the heliocentric hypothesis. If you give them enough CGI videos and some complicated equations, they will believe it, without questions, as long as it fits into their narrative.

They will also defend it to the max.

So bottom line, can the scientific community be trusted that they don’t believe in lies?
As opposed to some guy on YouTube who can't give a reasonable explanation for sunsets?
Yes.

You are talking about one person and I am talking about a whole scientific community. The Best, of the best, of the best, got coned into believing into a lie.

But not all people believe in the lie, the people that you ridicule these days, the Christians, the Jews and the Muslims, knew that the Piltdown Man was a phony, because we knew our history from the  Bible.
 
So why should we believe you on the Heliocentric Hypothesis, when we have so much science in the bible?

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71376.0
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71377.0
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71378.0
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71379.0
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71380.0
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71381.0
No I'm talking about every flat earth believer.  No legit explanation for sunset.
I never ridiculed anyone because they were Christian or Jewish or Muslim.

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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2017, 03:06:21 PM »
A few?? It was the whole community and they even founded research on the subject.

Citation needed. It wasn't even the whole anthropology community, at least not for very long.

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People even got Phd on the matter. Oh by the way, did the scientific community ever recall those PhD's...

Which ones, specifically?

Regardless, probably not. Why should they? Was the research presented in a dissertation itself fraudulent? Reaching a conclusion later found to be invalid (or moot) is not in and of itself fraud.

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The stupidity was not that much that they believed him, but that they did not even bother to inspect the bones, but just accepted his finding. They did not suspect his findings but trusted it blindly.

Citation needed.

The Wikipedia reference you do cite below says:

Almost from the outset, Woodward's reconstruction of the Piltdown fragments was strongly challenged by some researchers. At the Royal College of Surgeons, copies of the same fragments used by the British Museum in their reconstruction were used to produce an entirely different model, one that in brain size and other features resembled a modern human.

From the outset, some scientists expressed skepticism about the Piltdown find (see above).

In 1912, the majority of the scientific community believed the Piltdown Man was the “missing link” between apes and humans. However, over time the Piltdown Man lost its validity, as other discoveries such as Taung Child and Peking Man were found. R. W. Ehrich and G. M. Henderson note, “To those who are not completely disillusioned by the work of their predecessors, the disqualification of the Piltdown skull changes little in the broad evolutionary pattern. The validity of the specimen has always been questioned.”[27] Eventually, during the 1940s and 1950s, more advanced dating technologies, such as the fluorine absorption test, proved scientifically that this skull was actually a fraud.

After decades of not investigating the findings, one man had the courage to demand to see the original bones, and he proved that it was a phony .

So you now admit that it was investigated. Thanks for clearing that up. Why did you feel the need to lie about this in the first place?

The Piltdown Man was a phony, but the scientific community did not investigate it, but spend thousands of dollars in research to support it.

This is even accepting your assertion that only one man investigated, which also seems to be fraudulent.

In November 1953, Time magazine published evidence gathered variously by Kenneth Page Oakley, Sir Wilfrid Edward Le Gros Clark and Joseph Weiner proving that the Piltdown Man was a forgery[12] and demonstrating that the fossil was a composite of three distinct species.

Why did take until the '50s?

The validity of the specimen has always been questioned.”[27] Eventually, during the 1940s and 1950s, more advanced dating technologies, such as the fluorine absorption test, proved scientifically that this skull was actually a fraud.

This is from the reference you provided, remember?

You can read about it here -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_Man

Already had. You have a somewhat "interesting" interpretation of what that article said, but it's good to know that you're satisfied with the reliability of that source.

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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2017, 03:32:30 PM »
The scientist today are really stupid, if you look at their track record. For decades they believed and did research work and Ph’d on the Piltdown Man?

If this group of people were stupid enough to believe that lie, when why would you expect them the smart enough to distinguish another lie?

Their track record has proven that if something fits into their narrative, they will believe it.

The Piltdown Man was a phony, but the scientific community did not investigate it, but spend thousands of dollars in research to support it.

Know, the same hold true to the scientists that believe in the heliocentric hypothesis. If you give them enough CGI videos and some complicated equations, they will believe it, without questions, as long as it fits into their narrative.

They will also defend it to the max.

So bottom line, can the scientific community be trusted that they don’t believe in lies?
As opposed to some guy on YouTube who can't give a reasonable explanation for sunsets?
Yes.

You are talking about one person and I am talking about a whole scientific community. The Best, of the best, of the best, got coned into believing into a lie.

But not all people believe in the lie, the people that you ridicule these days, the Christians, the Jews and the Muslims, knew that the Piltdown Man was a phony, because we knew our history from the  Bible.
 
So why should we believe you on the Heliocentric Hypothesis, when we have so much science in the bible?

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71376.0
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71377.0
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71378.0
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71379.0
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71380.0
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71381.0
And what has any of that to do with the Heliocentric Globe?

You make the ridiculous statement "the same hold true to the scientists that believe in the heliocentric hypothesis. If you give them enough CGI videos and some complicated equations, they will believe it, without questions, as long as it fits into their narrative."

I am afraid the the Heliocentric Globe greatly predates any thought of
"CGI videos and some complicated equations" so stop talking total rubbish.

The Globe was the accepted shape of the earth from around 300 BC, both in secular circles and in the early Church, as shown by the statements of The Venerable Bede below.

Even the Heliocentric Globe was proposed around the same time, but rejected for largely philosophical reasons.
It gradually became the recognised model from the early 1600's, well before there was any serious thought of evolution etc.

So many Flat Earthers claim that their belief in the flat stationary earth is based on Scripture.

But, how many Christians believe in a flat stationary earth? Not very many.
I will grant that many, just as in the general population, do not give the matter much thought, but there are many that do!

You really need to look at places like creation.com.
Look at what they think of the modern idea of a flat earth in this post (which you  :D might have seen before  :D)
After my previous post, I noticed that in this forum the Spherical Earther’s and Evolutionist liked the throw around irrelevant scientific information and pull things out of the hat, just like a magician does to fool the public, so this one is just for you.
 
What came first the chicken or the egg?

As a Flat Earther we believe in a Creator, God, we believe that the chicken came first because GOD created male and female which mated to have off-spring. End of story for us!!!

But for you on the other hand the issue is very important, since Evolution is the creation of life, the foundation of your Religion.

Don't you dare to pretend to know what I believe! You are completely deceptive when you claim that
"But for you . . . . . . . . since Evolution is the creation of life, the foundation of your Religion."
That is the ultimate "Straw-man-argument"!
You falsely claim that your opponent believes something, then argue against your own false claim.

Could you please revise your claim, because many flat earthers are atheists and many Globe supporters are Christians.

What on earth is the connection between Evolution and the shape of the earth?
There is none at all, and the Globe was the shape of the earth accepted from around 300 BC! Long before evolution was thought of.

The organisation "Creation Ministeries" is as big a supporter of the "young earth creation" of Genesis as you will find anywhere,
but you will find that they are almost as vehemently opposed to the idea of a Flat Earth as they are to Evolution.

Maybe you should learn a bit of history: From what I can see by far the majority of Christians believe in the Globe.
Probably not all give the matter much thought, but many certainly do, as in
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The flat earth myth
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flat-earth belief was extremely rare in the Church. The flat earth’s two main proponents were obscure figures named Lactantius (c. 240 – c. 320) and Cosmas Indicopleustes (6th century; the last name means “voyager to India”). However, they were hugely outweighed by tens of thousands of Christian theologians, poets, artists, scientists, and rulers who unambiguously affirmed that the earth was round. Russell documents accounts supporting earth’s sphericity from numerous medieval church scholars such as friar Roger Bacon (1220–1292), inventor of spectacles; leading medieval scientists such as John Buridan (1301–1358) and Nicholas Oresme (1320–1382); the monk John of Sacrobosco (c. 1195–c. 1256) who wrote Treatise on the Sphere, and many more.
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One of the best-known proponents of a globe-shaped earth was the early English monk, theologian and historian, the Venerable Bede (673–735), who popularized the common BC/AD dating system. Less well known was that he was also a leading astronomer of his day.

In his book On the Reckoning of Time (De temporum ratione), among other things he calculated the creation of the world to be in 3952 BC, showed how to calculate the date of Easter, and explicitly taught that the earth was round. From this, he showed why the length of days and nights changed with the seasons, and how tides were dragged by the moon. Bede was the first with this insight, while Galileo explained the tides wrongly centuries later.

Here is what Bede said about the shape of the earth—round “like a ball” not “like a shield”:

    “We call the earth a globe, not as if the shape of a sphere were expressed in the diversity of plains and mountains, but because, if all things are included in the outline, the earth’s circumference will represent the figure of a perfect globe. … For truly it is an orb placed in the centre of the universe; in its width it is like a circle, and not circular like a shield but rather like a ball, and it extends from its centre with perfect roundness on all sides.”

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So please stop this silly connection between the shape of the earth and evolution - there is none.


So please explain on what basis you claim "How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?"

You don't seem to have justified your claim in the slightest.

Besides, the Heliocentric Globe model works, and none of the numerous flat earth models explain what we see!

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Badxtoss

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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2017, 03:35:39 PM »
The scientist today are really stupid, if you look at their track record. For decades they believed and did research work and Ph’d on the Piltdown Man?

If this group of people were stupid enough to believe that lie, when why would you expect them the smart enough to distinguish another lie?

Their track record has proven that if something fits into their narrative, they will believe it.

The Piltdown Man was a phony, but the scientific community did not investigate it, but spend thousands of dollars in research to support it.

Know, the same hold true to the scientists that believe in the heliocentric hypothesis. If you give them enough CGI videos and some complicated equations, they will believe it, without questions, as long as it fits into their narrative.

They will also defend it to the max.

So bottom line, can the scientific community be trusted that they don’t believe in lies?
As opposed to some guy on YouTube who can't give a reasonable explanation for sunsets?
Yes.

You are talking about one person and I am talking about a whole scientific community. The Best, of the best, of the best, got coned into believing into a lie.

But not all people believe in the lie, the people that you ridicule these days, the Christians, the Jews and the Muslims, knew that the Piltdown Man was a phony, because we knew our history from the  Bible.
 
So why should we believe you on the Heliocentric Hypothesis, when we have so much science in the bible?

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71376.0
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71377.0
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71378.0
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71379.0
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71380.0
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71381.0
And what has any of that to do with the Heliocentric Globe?

You make the ridiculous statement "the same hold true to the scientists that believe in the heliocentric hypothesis. If you give them enough CGI videos and some complicated equations, they will believe it, without questions, as long as it fits into their narrative."

I am afraid the the Heliocentric Globe greatly predates any thought of
"CGI videos and some complicated equations" so stop talking total rubbish.

The Globe was the accepted shape of the earth from around 300 BC, both in secular circles and in the early Church, as shown by the statements of The Venerable Bede below.

Even the Heliocentric Globe was proposed around the same time, but rejected for largely philosophical reasons.
It gradually became the recognised model from the early 1600's, well before there was any serious thought of evolution etc.

So many Flat Earthers claim that their belief in the flat stationary earth is based on Scripture.

But, how many Christians believe in a flat stationary earth? Not very many.
I will grant that many, just as in the general population, do not give the matter much thought, but there are many that do!

You really need to look at places like creation.com.
Look at what they think of the modern idea of a flat earth in this post (which you  :D might have seen before  :D)
After my previous post, I noticed that in this forum the Spherical Earther’s and Evolutionist liked the throw around irrelevant scientific information and pull things out of the hat, just like a magician does to fool the public, so this one is just for you.
 
What came first the chicken or the egg?

As a Flat Earther we believe in a Creator, God, we believe that the chicken came first because GOD created male and female which mated to have off-spring. End of story for us!!!

But for you on the other hand the issue is very important, since Evolution is the creation of life, the foundation of your Religion.

Don't you dare to pretend to know what I believe! You are completely deceptive when you claim that
"But for you . . . . . . . . since Evolution is the creation of life, the foundation of your Religion."
That is the ultimate "Straw-man-argument"!
You falsely claim that your opponent believes something, then argue against your own false claim.

Could you please revise your claim, because many flat earthers are atheists and many Globe supporters are Christians.

What on earth is the connection between Evolution and the shape of the earth?
There is none at all, and the Globe was the shape of the earth accepted from around 300 BC! Long before evolution was thought of.

The organisation "Creation Ministeries" is as big a supporter of the "young earth creation" of Genesis as you will find anywhere,
but you will find that they are almost as vehemently opposed to the idea of a Flat Earth as they are to Evolution.

Maybe you should learn a bit of history: From what I can see by far the majority of Christians believe in the Globe.
Probably not all give the matter much thought, but many certainly do, as in
Quote from: Jonathan Sarfati
The flat earth myth
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flat-earth belief was extremely rare in the Church. The flat earth’s two main proponents were obscure figures named Lactantius (c. 240 – c. 320) and Cosmas Indicopleustes (6th century; the last name means “voyager to India”). However, they were hugely outweighed by tens of thousands of Christian theologians, poets, artists, scientists, and rulers who unambiguously affirmed that the earth was round. Russell documents accounts supporting earth’s sphericity from numerous medieval church scholars such as friar Roger Bacon (1220–1292), inventor of spectacles; leading medieval scientists such as John Buridan (1301–1358) and Nicholas Oresme (1320–1382); the monk John of Sacrobosco (c. 1195–c. 1256) who wrote Treatise on the Sphere, and many more.
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One of the best-known proponents of a globe-shaped earth was the early English monk, theologian and historian, the Venerable Bede (673–735), who popularized the common BC/AD dating system. Less well known was that he was also a leading astronomer of his day.

In his book On the Reckoning of Time (De temporum ratione), among other things he calculated the creation of the world to be in 3952 BC, showed how to calculate the date of Easter, and explicitly taught that the earth was round. From this, he showed why the length of days and nights changed with the seasons, and how tides were dragged by the moon. Bede was the first with this insight, while Galileo explained the tides wrongly centuries later.

Here is what Bede said about the shape of the earth—round “like a ball” not “like a shield”:

    “We call the earth a globe, not as if the shape of a sphere were expressed in the diversity of plains and mountains, but because, if all things are included in the outline, the earth’s circumference will represent the figure of a perfect globe. … For truly it is an orb placed in the centre of the universe; in its width it is like a circle, and not circular like a shield but rather like a ball, and it extends from its centre with perfect roundness on all sides.”

More in The flat earth myth.

And more in a similar vein:
Creation Ministries, The flat-earth myth and creationism
A flat earth, and other nonsense, Dealing with ideas that would not exist were it not for the Internet
Creation Ministries, Flat earth leader is an evolutionist!

So please stop this silly connection between the shape of the earth and evolution - there is none.


So please explain on what basis you claim "How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?"

You don't seem to have justified your claim in the slightest.

Besides, the Heliocentric Globe model works, and none of the numerous flat earth models explain what we see!
Apparently he seems to think that you cannot be a Christian and not be a flat earther

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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2017, 03:42:47 PM »
You've made mistakes, haven't you? Everyone has. It's not stupidity, it's humanity. The problem is and will always be the people who refuse to admit the possibility that they are wrong.
How true!
Some first of all, flat earthers claim as an "obvious truth" that "the earth is flat",
then have to dream up all sorts of fantastic explanations for what we see.

Instead of, as actually happened, gradually building a model for the shape and movement of the earth based on observations.

The early Sumerians, Chinese and Babylons all believed is a (locally) flat earth and a sun and moon that actually did rise and set as we see.
As people travelled further, they realised the the idea of a locally flat earth no longer fitted what the saw,
and, as they say in the classice, the rest is history.
Till the "modern flat earthers" came along with flat earth models galore, none of which "work".

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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2017, 04:12:57 PM »

So bottom line, can the scientific community be trusted that they don’t believe in lies?

Well, speaking as a Scientific Gentleman...
The scientific community believed that electromagnetic radiation can be used to transmit sound and pictures, which is obviously a lie, because televisions and radios don't work. The scientific community believed that x-rays showed what your bones looked like, which is obviously a lie because doctors are never correct when diagnosing a broken bone. The scientific community believes that computers work, which is obviously a lie because I'm sat here writing this on parchment with a f***ing feather quill.
So no, don't believe them darned scientists, because science is ALWAYS wrong.  ::)
Founder member of the League Of Scientific Gentlemen and Mademoiselles des Connaissances.
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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2017, 06:00:47 PM »
The scientist today are really stupid, if you look at their track record. For decades they believed and did research work and Ph’d on the Piltdown Man?
If this group of people were stupid enough to believe that lie, when why would you expect them the smart enough to distinguish another lie?
Well, the vast majority did not have access to any of the evidence for Piltdown man.
Piltdown man was only one piece of evidence for evolution. It was not needed for the support of evolution to be true.

Meanwhile there is loads of easily accessible evidence for Earth being round.

The issue is the FEers completely reject all the evidence, including some they can easily get themselves, like seeing a sunset.

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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2017, 12:26:25 AM »
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So paleontologists did all of the astronomy and particle physics of the day?  Good to know

I said that they were the elite of the scientist and got major funding for ther excavations. It is expensive to take an orangutan’s skull and file down the teeth…


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You've made mistakes, haven't you? Everyone has. It's not stupidity, it's humanity. The problem is and will always be the people who refuse to admit the possibility that they are wrong.

Mistake, this was fraud…


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So you now admit that it was investigated.

And it took decades to be concluded…. And why did the scientist did not listen to those scientist that brought objections… Is it not that the person that presents something having to provide that it is correct, instead of a person having to disprove something… I can say that you are a perfect clone of a human beings, you now have the requirement that you have to disprove me or else you are a clone.



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Why did take until the '50s?

Don’t ask me, ask the scientific community…



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The validity of the specimen has always been questioned.

So if it was questioned, then why did they accept it in the first place.
And this citation that I gave is from wiki and we all know that wiki information can be changed to fit into any narrative we like.
Can you get a Phd with wiki citations….



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The Globe was the accepted shape of the earth from around 300 BC

And bleeding was a common practice in George Washington’s time, but if they would have read the bible they would of know that life is in the blood.



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So many Flat Earthers claim that their belief in the flat stationary earth is based on Scripture.

Scripture and Science. The bible in Job talks about the fountains below the sea where life lives.
All the scientists believe that the deep waters were barren till they saw it with their own eyes, I believe it was in 1978.
What year was the bible written?

Also mathematics tell us, that there is no earth curvature.

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So please explain on what basis you claim "How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?"

I have proven that the earth is stationary, because you can’t draw a FBD of an airplane landing and show the forces that sync the plane to the earths movement, nor have provided any citation in which you show the convention heat transfer model of a spinning sphere that radiates to its environment with the thermal and velocity boundary layers.

You have no proof that the earth’s atmosphere moves with the supposedly spinning earth and yet you still believe in it.

This is stupidity and it fall in line with the Piltdown Man.

 I call it the Piltdown Man Syndrome, where if something falls inline with our narrative, we accept it without any questions.

Provide the citations…

To simply dismiss the concept of God as being unscientific is to violate the very objectivity of science itself.

My experiences with science led me to God.

The Truth Will Set You Free

Werner Von Braun

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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2017, 12:42:35 AM »
If I jump up in the air do I land in the same place?

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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2017, 01:18:41 AM »

I have proven that the earth is stationary

No you haven't, you've just built yourself a strawman to play with.
Facts won't do what I want them to.

We went from a round Earth to a round Moon: http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/apollo.html

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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2017, 01:34:14 AM »
If I jump up in the air do I land in the same place?

This depend if you believe in the Heliocentric hypothesis?

In reality Yes, but in the Heliocentric hypothesis No
To simply dismiss the concept of God as being unscientific is to violate the very objectivity of science itself.

My experiences with science led me to God.

The Truth Will Set You Free

Werner Von Braun

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Re: How stupid are the scientist that believe in the Heliocentric Model?
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2017, 01:36:01 AM »

I have proven that the earth is stationary

No you haven't, you've just built yourself a strawman to play with.

Please provide citation of the Convention Heat Transfer Model of a spinning sphere when it radiates to the environment, just like earth does, where it shows the thermal and velocity boundary layers.
To simply dismiss the concept of God as being unscientific is to violate the very objectivity of science itself.

My experiences with science led me to God.

The Truth Will Set You Free

Werner Von Braun