Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!

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Amnzero

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #450 on: August 26, 2017, 02:59:29 AM »
Lol you are all completely fucking mental...

Just so far gone it is impossible to discuss the simplest things with you.

Are you not embarrassed by your behaviour?

Of course the thrust of a rocket can be modelled by N2...

But, as the man I quote goes on to say, unless that thrust creates a force pairing with an outside body motion cannot be produced.

This is Newton's third law, and nothing can move without it, you mad bastard.

Read again:

http://www.fem.unicamp.br/~em313/paginas/textos/jet.htm

"All aircraft propulsion devices push against the air itself"...

ALL of them, REtard.

And yes, this does include rocket engines:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket-powered_aircraft

Ergo: without the atmosphere, no aircraft propulsion device can create motion.

It could not be simpler...

Yet you will never, ever, stop bullshitting on the subject, will you?

Because you are weaponised idiots, set loose on the internet, to ruin it for everyone on behalf of your oligarchal masters...

You are these people:

https://theethicalskeptic.com/2012/05/01/what-is-social-skepticism/

So smart, science is unnecessary!

As we have already explained. Rockets carry a fuel payload of atmosphere with them. Usually Hydrogen Peroxide or liquid oxygen and hydrogen respectively The sudden acceleration of this payload along with the addition of heat through chemical reaction creates a rapidly expanding mass directly behind the rocket which propels it forward. The mass in question would be atmospheric in nature containing mostly water vapor, and carbon-oxides in the case of the aforementioned fuels. While invisible to the naked eye, the mass exists, if only briefly.

This is why it is called a reaction mass engine.
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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #451 on: August 26, 2017, 03:12:23 AM »
"rockets carry a full load of atmosphere with them".....

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!

Enough 'atmosphere' to pressurise an infinite vacuum?!?!?

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!! Aahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, have a look at yourself will you?

Cos you've blown this latest sockpuppets credibility to fucking shreds with that statement...
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« Reply #452 on: August 26, 2017, 03:28:24 AM »
"rockets carry a full load of atmosphere with them".....

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!

Enough 'atmosphere' to pressurise an infinite vacuum?!?!?

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!! Aahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, have a look at yourself will you?

Cos you've blown this latest sockpuppets credibility to fucking shreds with that statement...

That is the dumbest thing I think I've ever read!!!

The 'atmosphere' in his statement is oxygen used to ignite the fuel, whereas a jet engine draws in oxygen from the surrounding atmosphere.

Why the hell would a rocket engine need to pressurize an infinite vacuum?

Have you skipped your meds again?

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #453 on: August 26, 2017, 03:35:22 AM »
Just so far gone it is impossible to discuss the simplest things with you.
Are you not embarrassed by your behaviour?
Nope! You're the one that should be embarrassed.
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Of course the thrust of a rocket can be modelled by N2...

But, as the man I quote goes on to say, unless that thrust creates a force pairing with an outside body motion cannot be produced.
Close! But what is the "other body" in the case of a jet engine? That Mr Legba is the crucial question.
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This is Newton's third law, and nothing can move without it, you mad bastard.
Nope again! You're the mad one around here!
 
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Read again:
http://www.fem.unicamp.br/~em313/paginas/textos/jet.htm
"All aircraft propulsion devices push against the air itself"...
ALL of them, REtard.
 
Yep  Mr Legba, I read that again! Maybe you should, you might learn something!

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Jet Engine
Any of a class of internal-combustion engines that propel aircraft by means of the rearward discharge of a jet of fluid,usually hot exhaust gases generated by burning fuel with air drawn in from the atmosphere.

The only practical means of propulsion so far devised is to take advantage of Newton's third law of motion. In its simplest form, this law states that action and reaction are equal and opposite. It is observed in nature that forces (e.g., "pushes" or "pulls") never occur singly but always in equal or opposite pairs. Thus the existence of a force on a body requires the coexistence of an equal and opposite force. If a pair of forces acts between two separate bodies (and provided that no other forces act), the bodies will be impelled to separate or come together depending on whether the force pair is repulsive (a push) or attractive (a pull). The combination of Newton's second and third laws shows that the resulting motion of the two bodies can be expressed by the statement that the change in momentum of the two bodies is equal and opposite and along the line of action of the force pair. Momentum is the product of mass and velocity, and, because (at aircraft velocities) the mass of any body remains constant, a force pair acting between two bodies produces a change in the velocity of each. It is clear that in order to propel a body it is necessary to find something to push against. All aircraft-propulsion devices push against the air itself. If the air is used as the propelling medium, it must experience a change in momentum--i.e., it has to be accelerated toward the rear of the aircraft and discharged rearward with enough velocity that the reaction produces an appreciable thrust in the opposite direction.

So sure, "All aircraft-propulsion devices push against the air itself."
but what air? "If the air is used as the propelling medium, it must experience a change in momentum--i.e., it has to be accelerated toward the rear of the aircraft and discharged rearward with enough velocity that the reaction produces an appreciable thrust in the opposite direction."
So, the air "pushed on" is the air "accelerated toward the rear of the aircraft and discharged rearward with enough velocity that the reaction produces an appreciable thrust in the opposite direction."
In other words the jet engine pushes on its own exhaust!

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And yes, this does include rocket engines:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket-powered_aircraft
Ergo: without accelerated toward the rear of the aircraft and discharged rearward, no aircraft propulsion device can create motion.
It could not be simpler...
Who's arguing? You just have to correctly identify what is "accelerated toward the rear of the air/space-craft and discharged rearward".
That article on Rocket-powered_aircraft makes no mention of pushing on the air.

In fact it explicitly says "Unhindered by the need for oxygen from the atmosphere, they are suitable for very high-altitude flight".
Do you understand the implications of that?

You might even read the article in Britannica on Rocket
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GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS AND PRINCIPLES OF OPERATION
The rocket differs from the turbojet and other “air-breathing” engines in that all of the exhaust jet consists of the gaseous combustion products of “propellants” carried on board. Like the turbojet engine, the rocket develops thrust by the rearward ejection of mass at very high velocity.
Not a word about "pushing on any outside air"!

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<< Idiotic tripe deleted >>

All your bluster, cursing and insults won't make you right!
Rockets do not need outside air to create thrust. In fact, tney create more thrust in a vacuum. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.


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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #454 on: August 26, 2017, 04:07:43 AM »
Interesting that somehow in FE logic Newton's laws are only applicable if they are used alone.

There are two bodies interacting with a rocket in a vacuum. The mass of the fuel being accelerated out of the rear of the rocket, and the mass of the craft. Since the mass of fuel is being pushed with high force away from the craft an opposite and equal acceleration is applied to the craft. Why do you think rockets need to carry literally tons of fuel? Just to sound impressive?
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« Reply #455 on: August 26, 2017, 04:26:25 AM »
But, as the man I quote goes on to say, unless that thrust creates a force pairing with an outside body motion cannot be produced.
That "outside body" can be a part of the main body which is released/discarded from it.

So what is the issue?

In the case of an aeroplane, the "outside body" is the air being thrown out of the engine, which results in the plane being forced forwards.
In the case of a rocket, it is the gas being forced out of the rocket.

"All aircraft propulsion devices push against the air itself"...
ALL of them, REtard.
And yes, this does include rocket engines:
And in the case of rockets, that air is produced or released by the rocket.

Ergo: without the atmosphere, no aircraft propulsion device can create motion.
No, without air/gas, which rockets produce.

Yet you will never, ever, stop bullshitting on the subject, will you?
Because you are weaponised idiots, set loose on the internet, to ruin it for everyone on behalf of your oligarchal masters...
I see you are back to talking about yourself, so retarded you think science and reason isn't necessary.

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« Reply #456 on: August 26, 2017, 04:35:32 AM »
LOL!!!

That is some serious insanity you are all pushing there...

Luckily, here is a sane man to explain why you and NASA are dead wrong:

https://physicsparsimony.wordpress.com/2011/12/22/confusion-regarding-newtons-third-law-of-motion/

Both forces described by the third law cannot be created on the same body and result in motion...

The simplest subject possible, yet you have turned it to complete shit...

That's because you are these people:

https://theethicalskeptic.com/2012/05/01/what-is-social-skepticism/

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #457 on: August 26, 2017, 04:37:40 AM »
Both forces described by the third law cannot be created on the same body and result in motion...
It isn't the same body.
One force is acting on a bit of gas, which used to be part of the rocket. The other force is acting on the rest of the rocket.

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #458 on: August 26, 2017, 04:42:11 AM »
How long have the rest of you REs been here? 24 hours of bullshit, and I am ready to call it quits.
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If MIT is so prestigious why is their section on rocket propulsion written for kids?
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« Reply #459 on: August 26, 2017, 04:49:17 AM »
Both forces described by the third law cannot be created on the same body and result in motion...
It isn't the same body.
One force is acting on a bit of gas, which used to be part of the rocket. The other force is acting on the rest of the rocket.

So the gas stops, turns around and pushes back on the rocket once it has left the nozzle?

And the exhaust has stopped being a force exerted by the body now?

You all agreed it was earlier, remember?

Cool story, shill, but I prefer the explanation of a professor of engine design, like this guy, to a REtarded sockpuppet shill on a mad flat Earth forum.

http://www.fem.unicamp.br/~em313/paginas/textos/jet.htm

He says it pushes on the air itself...

He is correct.

Simple stuff, but you will never give up on it...

Because mad shills.

And this:

https://theethicalskeptic.com/2012/05/01/what-is-social-skepticism/

So smart, science is unnecessary!

How long have the rest of you REs been here? 24 hours of bullshit, and I am ready to call it quits.

You have indeed subiected me to 24 hours of bullshit.

Thanks for acknowledging this!

And I'm not a flat Earther either...

See? You cannot get even the simplest facts right.

Toodle-pip, LOSERS!
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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #460 on: August 26, 2017, 05:16:25 AM »
Both forces described by the third law cannot be created on the same body and result in motion...
It isn't the same body.
One force is acting on a bit of gas, which used to be part of the rocket. The other force is acting on the rest of the rocket.

So the gas stops, turns around and pushes back on the rocket once it has left the nozzle?

You are the only one to make such an idiotic suggestion!

A force is required to accelerate (you have heard of f = ma?) the exhaust gas to its exhaust velocity and that force it supplied by the rocket.

It's so simple! Just like :P People on skateboards  :P a child could understand it, but not poor old Papa.

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #461 on: August 26, 2017, 05:34:07 AM »
Both forces described by the third law cannot be created on the same body and result in motion...
It isn't the same body.
One force is acting on a bit of gas, which used to be part of the rocket. The other force is acting on the rest of the rocket.

So the gas stops, turns around and pushes back on the rocket once it has left the nozzle?

You are the only one to make such an idiotic suggestion!

A force is required to accelerate (you have heard of f = ma?) the exhaust gas to its exhaust velocity and that force it supplied by the rocket.

LMFAO!!!

You just quoted N2 and claimed it represented N3...

AGAIN!

You're making the same mistake as NASA, describing both the forces required by N3 on the same body:

https://physicsparsimony.wordpress.com/2011/12/22/confusion-regarding-newtons-third-law-of-motion/

This would mean you think N3 is f1=-f1...

Which is DEAD WRONG:

https://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20121017220307AAhnRRJ

It's 1.30 pm in the UK now, Geoff...

What time is it in Oz?

Go to bed, you drunken LOSER!
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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #462 on: August 26, 2017, 05:43:09 AM »
Well Papa is a special kind of insulting blowhard.  Apparently the FE scammers that are higher up on the pyramid like to call on him to spread chaotic nonsense as a distraction tactic.  He isn't worth debating when he just slings moronic insults.  He will get bored soon enough.

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« Reply #463 on: August 26, 2017, 05:46:43 AM »
Well Rabinoz is a special kind of insulting blowhard.  Apparently the FE scammers that are higher up on the pyramid like to call on him to spread chaotic nonsense as a distraction tactic.  He isn't worth debating when he just slings moronic insults.  He will get bored soon enough.

Fixed your crazed shilling for you!

Come back when you're ready to understand N3...

I.e. Never.
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« Reply #464 on: August 26, 2017, 06:21:37 AM »
Lol you are all completely fucking mental...

Just so far gone it is impossible to discuss the simplest things with you.

Are you not embarrassed by your behaviour?

Of course the thrust of a rocket can be modelled by N2...

But, as the man I quote goes on to say, unless that thrust creates a force pairing with an outside body motion cannot be produced.

This is Newton's third law, and nothing can move without it, you mad bastard.

Read again:

http://www.fem.unicamp.br/~em313/paginas/textos/jet.htm

"All aircraft propulsion devices push against the air itself"...

ALL of them, REtard.

And yes, this does include rocket engines:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket-powered_aircraft

Ergo: without the atmosphere, no aircraft propulsion device can create motion.

It could not be simpler...

Yet you will never, ever, stop bullshitting on the subject, will you?

Because you are weaponised idiots, set loose on the internet, to ruin it for everyone on behalf of your oligarchal masters...

You are these people:

https://theethicalskeptic.com/2012/05/01/what-is-social-skepticism/

So smart, science is unnecessary!

Oy! I linked directly to a text written by Rolls Royce, an effing manufacturer of jet engines, which stated:

"The converging blade passages experience a reaction force resulting from the expansion and acceleration of the gas."

Blasting air backward creates forward thrust. All the "pushing on the air" happens right at the parts of the engines doing the pushing. Newton's Third Law at work INSIDE the engine. I trust someone who makes engines over some dude with a blog.
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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #465 on: August 26, 2017, 06:25:35 AM »
How about you come back when YOU understand N3. The fact that some guy is not able apply N3 to a particle reaction, and is confused by its wording does not mean anything.

The force that propels a rocket is provided by the combustion of the rocket's fuel. As the fuel combines with oxygen, it produces gases that are directed through exhaust nozzles on the rear of the fuselage, and each molecule that emerges accelerates away from the rocket. Newton's Third Law requires this acceleration be accompanied by a corresponding acceleration of the rocket in the opposite direction. The combined acceleration of all the molecules of oxidized fuel as they emerge from the rocket's nozzles create the thrust that accelerates and propels the rocket.

http://www.braeunig.us/space/propuls.htm
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« Reply #466 on: August 26, 2017, 07:19:16 AM »
Perhaps the Massachusetts Institute of Technology could help you understand how all three laws apply to rockets:

http://web.mit.edu/16.00/www/aec/rocket.html
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« Reply #467 on: August 26, 2017, 07:33:17 AM »
a rocket is basically a bomb in a can. The explosion tries to push in every direction at the same time. However, the strength of the can contains the explosion and the shape of the can directs force of the explosion out the back. The explosion will push on the nearest surfaces inside of the rocket engine and will propel the rocket 180 degrees from the direction that the gases escape. If you have a self-oxidizing explosive, you could put a wad of it into an empty soup can in space (vacuum) and set it off. BOOM! The can flies away from the open end. Rockets just make a continuous explosion. The rest of rocketry is a matter of control and scale.
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« Reply #468 on: August 26, 2017, 07:33:59 AM »
Yawn!

Seems mit goes full retard when it comes to rockets...

Cos that ain't a proper scientific explanation at all.

And  braeunig is well known to be military industrial propaganda bullshit...

No real engineer takes them seriously.

That's because shpayze rokkit enjyneerink is not a genuine career path for anyone.

Jet turbine engineering is, so they actually explain things correctly...

Like this man does:

http://www.fem.unicamp.br/~em313/paginas/textos/jet.htm

As he states, they push on the medium through which they move...

Like everything else does.

Hardly 'rokkit siennz' is it?

Any chance of fucking off and leaving me alone now?

Autistic shills don't make the most congenial company you know?
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« Reply #469 on: August 26, 2017, 08:08:04 AM »
Yawn!

Seems mit goes full retard when it comes to rockets...

Cos that ain't a proper scientific explanation at all.

And  braeunig is well known to be military industrial propaganda bullshit...

No real engineer takes them seriously.

That's because shpayze rokkit enjyneerink is not a genuine career path for anyone.

Jet turbine engineering is, so they actually explain things correctly...

Like this man does:

http://www.fem.unicamp.br/~em313/paginas/textos/jet.htm

As he states, they push on the medium through which they move...

Like everything else does.

Hardly 'rokkit siennz' is it?

Any chance of fucking off and leaving me alone now?

Autistic shills don't make the most congenial company you know?

1. MIT is the most prestigious science and engineering school in the US. I don't think some bumpkin armed with a blog is smarter than they are.

2. Your blog clearly states that jets fly by Newton's Third Law. Thanks for helping out with that.

3. I agree that jets push on the air. No quarrel there. But where? The jet engine MUST push on air right at the surface that is generated the push. That happens INSIDE the engine. The jet engine pushes air out the back which creates a reaction force INSIDE the engine.
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« Reply #470 on: August 26, 2017, 09:05:02 AM »
If MIT is so prestigious why is their section on rocket propulsion written for kids?

I'll tell you why, because they know the whole subject is bullshit so don't bother including any proper science.

And you still seem to believe that N3 only involves one object, somehow impossibly creating a reaction from its own action.

It does not.

There's no hope for you, frankly...

Sane people can read this to find out how aircraft propulsion functions:

http://www.fem.unicamp.br/~em313/paginas/textos/jet.htm

Autistic shills can keep saying 1+0=2 until they're blue in the face...

They'll never be right, no matter how big a sperg-fit they throw.

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« Reply #471 on: August 26, 2017, 09:36:16 AM »
If MIT is so prestigious why is their section on rocket propulsion written for kids?

I'll tell you why, because they know the whole subject is bullshit so don't bother including any proper science.

And you still seem to believe that N3 only involves one object, somehow impossibly creating a reaction from its own action.

It does not.

There's no hope for you, frankly...

Sane people can read this to find out how aircraft propulsion functions:

http://www.fem.unicamp.br/~em313/paginas/textos/jet.htm

Autistic shills can keep saying 1+0=2 until they're blue in the face...

They'll never be right, no matter how big a sperg-fit they throw.

Any chance of fucking off and leaving me alone now?

No, I won't--especially not until after you've read your own article:

"If the air is used as the propelling medium, it must experience a change in momentum--i.e., it has to be accelerated toward the rear of the aircraft and discharged rearward with enough velocity that the reaction produces an appreciable thrust in the opposite direction."

It is the DISCHARGE of air that produces thrust in the opposite direction. F=MA, right? So the stream of air pushed out by the engine must be accelerated extremely quickly because it has a lower mass than the aircraft. Low mass x high velocity = high mass x lower velocity. Again from your article: "The combination of Newton's second and third laws shows that the resulting motion of the two bodies can be expressed by the statement that the change in momentum of the two bodies is equal and opposite and along the line of action of the force pair." Newton's laws apply and momentum is conserved! All you had to do is read your own article. How easy is that?!
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« Reply #472 on: August 26, 2017, 09:51:18 AM »
Yes, yes, we already know you cannot distinguish N2 from N3 and believe the two are interchangeable...

No need to humiliate yourself further.

Chill, get a beer, watch some child porn... Do the things shills do to unwind....

Shillaxing lol!
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« Reply #473 on: August 26, 2017, 10:03:19 AM »
If MIT is so prestigious why is their section on rocket propulsion written for kids?

My guess is so even morons like can you understand it.

I seems that they underestimated your stupidity.

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« Reply #474 on: August 26, 2017, 02:34:13 PM »
So the gas stops, turns around and pushes back on the rocket once it has left the nozzle?
No. There is an action-reaction pair between the gas and the rocket. This causes the rocket to be pushed forwards and the gas to be pushed backwards, out the nozzle.
It is quite simple to understand if you actually wanted to.


You all agreed it was earlier, remember?
No we didn't.

Cool story, shill, but I prefer the explanation of a professor of engine design, like this guy, to a REtarded sockpuppet shill on a mad flat Earth forum.
http://www.fem.unicamp.br/~em313/paginas/textos/jet.htm
He says it pushes on the air itself...
He is correct.
Depending upon how you think about it.

In the case of a jet engine he isn't talking about the air behind the plane, he is talking about the air that passes through the engine.
In the case of a rocket, he would be talking about the air produced by the rocket.


Simple stuff, but you will never give up on it...
Because mad shills.
So smart, science is unnecessary!
I see you are back to describing yourself again.

Yes, it is quite simple stuff, but you refuse to think about it because you are so retarded you think science is unnecessary.
Or do you know you are just spouting pure bullshit because you are the scum of Earth and just want to fuck with people because of how sad and pathetic you are?

A force is required to accelerate (you have heard of f = ma?) the exhaust gas to its exhaust velocity and that force it supplied by the rocket.
LMFAO!!!
You just quoted N2 and claimed it represented N3...
You're making the same mistake as NASA, describing both the forces required by N3 on the same body:
This would mean you think N3 is f1=-f1...
Which is DEAD WRONG:
No, your lies about him and physics are dead wrong.

He is stating quite simply that the exhaust is being accelerated.
This requires a force which can be represented as f1. This can be given (or determined) by the mass of air and its acceleration.
This forces comes from the rocket, and by Newtons third law, we know f1=-f2, that is if the rocket is exerting a force f1 on the air, then the air must be exerting a force f2 on the rocket.

So no, he is using Newton's second law to show that their must be a force acting on the air which is the exhaust (not any air outside), and then stating the fact that this force comes from the rocket (as that is what is accelerating the air). He is then leaving it up to any intelligent reader to realise that Newton's third law would indicate there must be a force on the rocket as well.

Jet turbine engineering is, so they actually explain things correctly...
Like this man does:
http://www.fem.unicamp.br/~em313/paginas/textos/jet.htm
As he states, they push on the medium through which they move...
Like everything else does.
No, he doesn't state that. He states aircraft engines push on air. That is not saying they push on the medium through which they travel.

Any chance of fucking off and leaving me alone now?
Autistic shills don't make the most congenial company you know?
Then how about you do us all a favour and fuck off or shut up, or better still, act like a rational human being for once in your pathetic existence and admit you are full of shit.
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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #475 on: August 26, 2017, 02:44:04 PM »
BREAKING NEWS LIVE FROM THE BBC!

Local man overturns 3,000 years of science after reading about it on the Internet

(London)

A local man has overturned the work of thousands of scientists working for centuries based on information from an anonymous website.

Papa Legba, realized that modern science is all wrong.

"I was browsing the Web, watching some YouTube and stuff, and then this bloke suggested this site. So I checked it out, and now I know science is all wrong," said Legba.

Since Mr. Legba's discovery, scores of professors of physics, astronomy, and engineering were forced to resign. Flights across Europe have been cancelled as airline executives were suddenly realizing that the designers of their aircraft didn't know how they worked. At least six airlines, two helicopters, four private planes, and a dozen RAF fighters dropped out of the sky when the physics that they had relied upon no longer applied. "I tried to warn them," Mr. Legba said upon hearing the news.

Apparently, flights in other parts of the world have not been affected as their operators still accept conventional physics. While safety crews have been standing by in case of an emergency, many front-line firefighters express concern. "Every time I turn on my fire hose, the water squirts out, but it also pushes back on me. I really have to work to hold onto the hose. They always said that it was Newton's Third Law at work, but now this Legba says maybe not," said Jo Marianas, a firefighter at JFK Airport in New York. "Maybe the hose won't even work now that we know that the people who invented the whole thing don't know their science."

Reaction from Sweden has been strong. At least 39 Nobel Prizes in science may be revoked, and the entire Nobel committee may be replaced by astrologers and acupuncturists.

Back in London, Queen Elizabeth has been rumored to be considering revoking the knighthood of Sir Isaac Newton and instead knighting Legba. "Everyone who finds something really smart in a lost corner of the Internet should be knighted," said Prince Phillip. "Gosh, if I wasn't already a Prince, I'd spend all night in my parent's basement trying to find the truth the way Legba did."

Critics of these moves have only begun to speak out. Julie Simmons, in secondary school in Brighton, along with her little sister Chelsea, formed the Brighton Model Rocket Club last summer. "I don't know what the fuss is about. My rockets still fly," said Chelsea. Julie says that she has done several experiments in both chemistry and physics class that support her rocketeering. "It is fun to see all of science come together in a project. That [man] Legba should do some real science instead of just trying to read some [stuff] on the Internet," Julie said.

When asked if she would invite Mr. Legba to see one of her rockets in Brighton, she said, "No. Aside from not knowing anything other than some half-baked quackery, I hear he's a total prat."

Mr. Legba, upon hearing of Ms. Simmons' remarks, launched into a string of unprintable expletives.
"Science is real."
--They Might Be Giants

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Mikey T.

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #476 on: August 26, 2017, 02:51:00 PM »
BREAKING NEWS LIVE FROM THE BBC!

Local man overturns 3,000 years of science after reading about it on the Internet

(London)

A local man has overturned the work of thousands of scientists working for centuries based on information from an anonymous website.

Papa Legba, realized that modern science is all wrong.

"I was browsing the Web, watching some YouTube and stuff, and then this bloke suggested this site. So I checked it out, and now I know science is all wrong," said Legba.

Since Mr. Legba's discovery, scores of professors of physics, astronomy, and engineering were forced to resign. Flights across Europe have been cancelled as airline executives were suddenly realizing that the designers of their aircraft didn't know how they worked. At least six airlines, two helicopters, four private planes, and a dozen RAF fighters dropped out of the sky when the physics that they had relied upon no longer applied. "I tried to warn them," Mr. Legba said upon hearing the news.

Apparently, flights in other parts of the world have not been affected as their operators still accept conventional physics. While safety crews have been standing by in case of an emergency, many front-line firefighters express concern. "Every time I turn on my fire hose, the water squirts out, but it also pushes back on me. I really have to work to hold onto the hose. They always said that it was Newton's Third Law at work, but now this Legba says maybe not," said Jo Marianas, a firefighter at JFK Airport in New York. "Maybe the hose won't even work now that we know that the people who invented the whole thing don't know their science."

Reaction from Sweden has been strong. At least 39 Nobel Prizes in science may be revoked, and the entire Nobel committee may be replaced by astrologers and acupuncturists.

Back in London, Queen Elizabeth has been rumored to be considering revoking the knighthood of Sir Isaac Newton and instead knighting Legba. "Everyone who finds something really smart in a lost corner of the Internet should be knighted," said Prince Phillip. "Gosh, if I wasn't already a Prince, I'd spend all night in my parent's basement trying to find the truth the way Legba did."

Critics of these moves have only begun to speak out. Julie Simmons, in secondary school in Brighton, along with her little sister Chelsea, formed the Brighton Model Rocket Club last summer. "I don't know what the fuss is about. My rockets still fly," said Chelsea. Julie says that she has done several experiments in both chemistry and physics class that support her rocketeering. "It is fun to see all of science come together in a project. That [man] Legba should do some real science instead of just trying to read some [stuff] on the Internet," Julie said.

When asked if she would invite Mr. Legba to see one of her rockets in Brighton, she said, "No. Aside from not knowing anything other than some half-baked quackery, I hear he's a total prat."

Mr. Legba, upon hearing of Ms. Simmons' remarks, launched into a string of unprintable expletives.
Nicely done.

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #477 on: August 26, 2017, 03:43:39 PM »
BREAKING NEWS LIVE FROM THE BBC!

Local man overturns 3,000 years of science after reading about it on the Internet

(London)

A local man has overturned the work of thousands of scientists working for centuries based on information from an anonymous website.

Papa Legba, realized that modern science is all wrong.

"I was browsing the Web, watching some YouTube and stuff, and then this bloke suggested this site. So I checked it out, and now I know science is all wrong," said Legba.

Since Mr. Legba's discovery, scores of professors of physics, astronomy, and engineering were forced to resign. Flights across Europe have been cancelled as airline executives were suddenly realizing that the designers of their aircraft didn't know how they worked. At least six airlines, two helicopters, four private planes, and a dozen RAF fighters dropped out of the sky when the physics that they had relied upon no longer applied. "I tried to warn them," Mr. Legba said upon hearing the news.

Apparently, flights in other parts of the world have not been affected as their operators still accept conventional physics. While safety crews have been standing by in case of an emergency, many front-line firefighters express concern. "Every time I turn on my fire hose, the water squirts out, but it also pushes back on me. I really have to work to hold onto the hose. They always said that it was Newton's Third Law at work, but now this Legba says maybe not," said Jo Marianas, a firefighter at JFK Airport in New York. "Maybe the hose won't even work now that we know that the people who invented the whole thing don't know their science."

Reaction from Sweden has been strong. At least 39 Nobel Prizes in science may be revoked, and the entire Nobel committee may be replaced by astrologers and acupuncturists.

Back in London, Queen Elizabeth has been rumored to be considering revoking the knighthood of Sir Isaac Newton and instead knighting Legba. "Everyone who finds something really smart in a lost corner of the Internet should be knighted," said Prince Phillip. "Gosh, if I wasn't already a Prince, I'd spend all night in my parent's basement trying to find the truth the way Legba did."

Critics of these moves have only begun to speak out. Julie Simmons, in secondary school in Brighton, along with her little sister Chelsea, formed the Brighton Model Rocket Club last summer. "I don't know what the fuss is about. My rockets still fly," said Chelsea. Julie says that she has done several experiments in both chemistry and physics class that support her rocketeering. "It is fun to see all of science come together in a project. That [man] Legba should do some real science instead of just trying to read some [stuff] on the Internet," Julie said.

When asked if she would invite Mr. Legba to see one of her rockets in Brighton, she said, "No. Aside from not knowing anything other than some half-baked quackery, I hear he's a total prat."

Mr. Legba, upon hearing of Ms. Simmons' remarks, launched into a string of unprintable expletives.

Outstanding!   

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Mikey T.

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #478 on: August 26, 2017, 06:12:09 PM »
Well Papa Liar is a special kind of insulting blowhard.  Apparently the FE scammers that are higher up on the pyramid like to call on him to spread chaotic nonsense as a distraction tactic.  He isn't worth debating when he just slings moronic insults.  He will get bored soon enough.

Fixed your crazed shilling for you!

Come back when you're ready to understand N3...

I.e. Never.
Well I would attempt to teach you, but wasting my time really isn't high on my list of to do things at the moment.  Honestly it would be less of a waste of my time to teach my dog the Klingon language.  Probably easier too, he has shown me that he may have quite a few more undamaged synapse pathways than you.  That's not proven yet, but I would love to study the walking braindead.  Papa are you up for a little exploratory cranial "proceedure".  I am 95% sure I can't make things worse.

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Re: Spherical Earth disproved for once and for all!!!
« Reply #479 on: August 26, 2017, 07:26:15 PM »
Well I would attempt to teach you, but wasting my time really isn't high on my list of to do things at the moment.  Honestly it would be less of a waste of my time to teach my dog the Klingon language.  Probably easier too, he has shown me that he may have quite a few more undamaged synapse pathways than you.  That's not proven yet, but I would love to study the walking braindead.  Papa are you up for a little exploratory cranial "proceedure".  I am 95% sure I can't make things worse.
     



Oh where, oh where, has our Legba gone?
Oh where, oh where can he be?
With his brains cut out and his spells cast wide
Oh where, oh where can he be?