The existence of God

I've found that people who use science and those who believe in a religion have different ways of thinking. This results in both thinking that the other side is misinformed and/or ignorant. Both sides know that they are right and the other is wrong. Me, being agnostic, would like to ask what convinces you of the existence of a God? I will then try to see your answer from your point of thinking, and provide you evidence that may help you see things from my point of thinking. I truly do hope this will be a constructive conversation.

If you are seeking a meaning for God as an entity (we must see) to believe in, then I have no answer for that, nor do I think God can be symbolized or contained!

But when you look into the opposite concept of God which represents the “ALL Goodness”, then what convinced me of the existence of God was; questioning what would it be like if God (Goodness) weren’t there, and how would we interact as humans in the absence of goodness.

If you believe in the goodness in yourself, then you believe in God!
And if you judge yourself and correct before God judges you > you are saved!

I believe in God because He never asked for anything in return for believing in Him! All that He asked to help those in need, if we can.

I believe in God when thinking of death and of what could be on the other side > because if there weren’t a law holder to judge the oppressor and the oppressed and give each its right of what have they done or gained in life, then the murderer and the victim should be equal in our eyes, and that definitely would defy logic!

Logic would tell me the God that would judge me when I die couldn’t be but fair, or logic itself would fall and crumble!
Logic would also tell me that God cannot be but merciful, because if God would take us on every little sin we do, then only few of us would make it to heaven and it would be a big waste of space!

When you die, God would not ask how much money you had in your bank account > he’d ask how you made your money and how you spent it!
God will not ask what degree in science you held > He’ll ask how you used the knowledge you received!

Believing in God is believing in Good & Bad! > When you do something good, God shall be present with you, and when you do something bad, you have concealed yourself from the presence of God!

So, God MUST exist > or logic wouldn’t exist!

If you are seeking a meaning for God as an entity (we must see) to believe in, then I have no answer for that, nor do I think God can be symbolized or contained!

But when you look into the opposite concept of God which represents the “ALL Goodness”, then what convinced me of the existence of God was; questioning what would it be like if God (Goodness) weren’t there, and how would we interact as humans in the absence of goodness.

If you believe in the goodness in yourself, then you believe in God!
And if you judge yourself and correct before God judges you > you are saved!

I believe in God because He never asked for anything in return for believing in Him! All that He asked to help those in need, if we can.

I believe in God when thinking of death and of what could be on the other side > because if there weren’t a law holder to judge the oppressor and the oppressed and give each its right of what have they done or gained in life, then the murderer and the victim should be equal in our eyes, and that definitely would defy logic!

Logic would tell me the God that would judge me when I die couldn’t be but fair, or logic itself would fall and crumble!
Logic would also tell me that God cannot be but merciful, because if God would take us on every little sin we do, then only few of us would make it to heaven and it would be a big waste of space!

When you die, God would not ask how much money you had in your bank account > he’d ask how you made your money and how you spent it!
God will not ask what degree in science you held > He’ll ask how you used the knowledge you received!

Believing in God is believing in Good & Bad! > When you do something good, God shall be present with you, and when you do something bad, you have concealed yourself from the presence of God!

So, God MUST exist > or logic wouldn’t exist!

But goodness could exist without God. To assist our survival in the earlier years of man, we were given empathy, the ability to feel for others so that we could group and work together, fending for eachother. It's why it is so difficult to watch a surgery done on TV, as you imagine yourself having your own stomach, or other area, cut open. This is what keeps us from killing and torturing others. The people who do kill and torture others have one of two possibilities. One: They are truly insane or have some mental disorder Ex: Jeffrey Dahmer. Two: They have some how dehumanized the person they are harming Ex: Adolf Hitler and the Nazis.
The brain is what gives us consciousness, and when the brain dies or shuts down, there is nothing "fueling" the senses, or our thought process, and thus we are unaware of anything when we die. The murderer and victim would certainly not be equal in our eyes, as one has taken away the others short time in the world. The murderer should be punished for showing a lack of empathy for life and the beauty and fragileness of it.
Logic would exist without God. The cerebral cortex, or the "root" of our brain is where higher and more critical thinking comes in.
I could not agree more that you should do good in your life for yourself and others, however humans would still have goodness and logic without the need of a God.

So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!

In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!

When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.

So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!

In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!

When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.

Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.

I believe in God when thinking of death and of what could be on the other side > because if there weren’t a law holder to judge the oppressor and the oppressed and give each its right of what have they done or gained in life, then the murderer and the victim should be equal in our eyes, and that definitely would defy logic!

Except that the murderer and the victim are equal in case the victim is a homosexual, isn't it?

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 08:43:53 AM

I believe in God when thinking of death and of what could be on the other side > because if there weren’t a law holder to judge the oppressor and the oppressed and give each its right of what have they done or gained in life, then the murderer and the victim should be equal in our eyes, and that definitely would defy logic!

Except that the murderer and the victim are equal in case the victim is a homosexual, isn't it?

“Whoever kills a soul unlawfully, as if he’d killed all the people, and whoever revived it, as if he had revived all the people.”

Homosexuality is an act against the will of God, because God meant for opposite sexes to mate and not for the same, so humanity would continue.

You will be judged for your actions in life, and you will be given your rights, as well, and each has its value and cost > or God simply would not be fair!

God puts the laws and God judges by the laws > never anywhere God commanded us to kill someone who committed an act against His will > He’ll be the judge of that when that someone stands before Him!

On the other hand; God says the killer should be killed (by the hands of the law), even after a time! > That is the right of the victim in life, and he shall also get his rights from God in the afterlife!

Quote from: FalseProphet on April 23, 2017, 09:34:50 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 08:43:53 AM

I believe in God when thinking of death and of what could be on the other side > because if there weren’t a law holder to judge the oppressor and the oppressed and give each its right of what have they done or gained in life, then the murderer and the victim should be equal in our eyes, and that definitely would defy logic!

Except that the murderer and the victim are equal in case the victim is a homosexual, isn't it?

“Whoever kills a soul unlawfully, as if he’d killed all the people, and whoever revived it, as if he had revived all the people.”

You are a sad example of what religion does to people.  It's like a brain decease. You don't need "god" to know that murder is wrong. But you need god to come to a conclusion that an act that does not harm anybody is equal to murder. Also, we both know, you're a fag. Enjoy your life, dude (but try to get the cute little boys out of your head).

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 09:29:08 AM

So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!

In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!

When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.

Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.

Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?

Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!

If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?

Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.

You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!

Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!

Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 10:50:49 AM

Quote from: FalseProphet on April 23, 2017, 09:34:50 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 08:43:53 AM

I believe in God when thinking of death and of what could be on the other side > because if there weren’t a law holder to judge the oppressor and the oppressed and give each its right of what have they done or gained in life, then the murderer and the victim should be equal in our eyes, and that definitely would defy logic!

Except that the murderer and the victim are equal in case the victim is a homosexual, isn't it?

“Whoever kills a soul unlawfully, as if he’d killed all the people, and whoever revived it, as if he had revived all the people.”

You are a sad example of what religion does to people.  It's like a brain decease. You don't need "god" to know that murder is wrong. But you need god to come to a conclusion that an act that does not harm anybody is equal to murder. Also, we both know, you're a fag. Enjoy your life, dude (but try to get the cute little boys out of your head).

And how did you come to that conclusion, you idiot?
Where does it say "is equal to murder", you retarded moron?

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 09:31:55 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 09:29:08 AM

So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!

In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!

When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.

Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.

Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?

Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!

If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?

Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.

You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!

Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!

Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!

It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.

...idiot!... moron!

Earnestly, you could live a happy, fulfilled life. Find a nice guy! Fall in love, and you will see, Jesus is not even a match for him.

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 11:37:43 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 09:31:55 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 09:29:08 AM

So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!

In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!

When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.

Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.

Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?

Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!

If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?

Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.

You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!

Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!

Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!

It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.

You know; I had to flip my head upside down to understand the balded statement, but I failed to do so!
I even asked Google to analyze it > it had an instant shut-down!

Let me hear some scientists approve it, then we shall talk!

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 11:57:08 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 11:37:43 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 09:31:55 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 09:29:08 AM

So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!

In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!

When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.

Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.

Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?

Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!

If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?

Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.

You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!

Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!

Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!

It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.

You know; I had to flip my head upside down to understand the balded statement, but I failed to do so!
I even asked Google to analyze it > it had an instant shut-down!

Let me hear some scientists approve it, then we shall talk!

You either have bad internet or did not try that hard:



http://www.livescience.com/21457-what-is-a-law-in-science-definition-of-scientific-law.html

http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/12/5-scientific-laws-and-the-scientists-behind-them/

Basically every scientist approves of these laws, as they are the basis of our scientific understanding of the universe.
Give me a scientist that approves of the idea of God, then we can talk. (Evidence also please)

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 12:08:07 PM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 11:57:08 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 11:37:43 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 09:31:55 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 09:29:08 AM

So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!

In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!

When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.

Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.

Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?

Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!

If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?

Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.

You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!

Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!

Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!

It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.

You know; I had to flip my head upside down to understand the balded statement, but I failed to do so!
I even asked Google to analyze it > it had an instant shut-down!

Let me hear some scientists approve it, then we shall talk!

You either have bad internet or did not try that hard:



http://www.livescience.com/21457-what-is-a-law-in-science-definition-of-scientific-law.html

http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/12/5-scientific-laws-and-the-scientists-behind-them/

Basically every scientist approves of these laws, as they are the basis of our scientific understanding of the universe.
Give me a scientist that approves of the idea of God, then we can talk. (Evidence also please)

Oop's - my mistake > I read that statement "doesn't have laws", and that's why it did't make sense to me!!! Sorry, it's late where I am now!
I do agree that the universe is governed by laws from keeping it from chaos! 100%!

And that's what I was talking about; everything is governed by law and order > regardless if you believe or not that there is a higher force that holds that law and order,

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 12:17:14 PM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 12:08:07 PM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 11:57:08 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 11:37:43 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 09:31:55 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 09:29:08 AM

So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!

In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!

When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.

Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.

Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?

Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!

If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?

Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.

You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!

Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!

Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!

It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.

You know; I had to flip my head upside down to understand the balded statement, but I failed to do so!
I even asked Google to analyze it > it had an instant shut-down!

Let me hear some scientists approve it, then we shall talk!

You either have bad internet or did not try that hard:



http://www.livescience.com/21457-what-is-a-law-in-science-definition-of-scientific-law.html

http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/12/5-scientific-laws-and-the-scientists-behind-them/

Basically every scientist approves of these laws, as they are the basis of our scientific understanding of the universe.
Give me a scientist that approves of the idea of God, then we can talk. (Evidence also please)

Oop's - my mistake > I read that statement "doesn't have laws", and that's why it did't make sense to me!!! Sorry, it's late where I am now!
I do agree that the universe is governed by laws from keeping it from chaos! 100%!

And that's what I was talking about; everything is governed by law and order > regardless if you believe or not that there is a higher force that holds that law and order,

Oh ok xD. So you believe that there is something governing the laws, and I don't. I'm not sure how either of us can prove to the other why there is or isn't something governing the laws, so unless you do, I think we have resolved this argument to the fullest we can. Thank you, this has been interesting.

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 12:32:29 PM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 12:17:14 PM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 12:08:07 PM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 11:57:08 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 11:37:43 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 09:31:55 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 09:29:08 AM

So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!

In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!

When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.

Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.

Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?

Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!

If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?

Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.

You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!

Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!

Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!

It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.

You know; I had to flip my head upside down to understand the balded statement, but I failed to do so!
I even asked Google to analyze it > it had an instant shut-down!

Let me hear some scientists approve it, then we shall talk!

You either have bad internet or did not try that hard:



http://www.livescience.com/21457-what-is-a-law-in-science-definition-of-scientific-law.html

http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/12/5-scientific-laws-and-the-scientists-behind-them/

Basically every scientist approves of these laws, as they are the basis of our scientific understanding of the universe.
Give me a scientist that approves of the idea of God, then we can talk. (Evidence also please)

Oop's - my mistake > I read that statement "doesn't have laws", and that's why it did't make sense to me!!! Sorry, it's late where I am now!
I do agree that the universe is governed by laws from keeping it from chaos! 100%!

And that's what I was talking about; everything is governed by law and order > regardless if you believe or not that there is a higher force that holds that law and order,

Oh ok xD. So you believe that there is something governing the laws, and I don't. I'm not sure how either of us can prove to the other why there is or isn't something governing the laws, so unless you do, I think we have resolved this argument to the fullest we can. Thank you, this has been interesting.

I was going to bed, but after reading your response, I couldn't hold it till tomorrow!

I need not to prove there is something governing the laws, because you just proved that yourself!

If you believe there is a Law that keeps everything from chaos > the law couldn't have come from nothing or from chaos, because there is always someone who makes the laws and controls them!

We both agree there is law and there is order > then let's call the "LAW" > "GOD" - that keeps everything in order!

Good night...

If god exists, it is an effing son of a gun!

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 12:35:40 PM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 12:32:29 PM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 12:17:14 PM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 12:08:07 PM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 11:57:08 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 11:37:43 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 09:31:55 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 09:29:08 AM

So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!

In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!

When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.

Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.

Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?

Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!

If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?

Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.

You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!

Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!

Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!

It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.

You know; I had to flip my head upside down to understand the balded statement, but I failed to do so!
I even asked Google to analyze it > it had an instant shut-down!

Let me hear some scientists approve it, then we shall talk!

You either have bad internet or did not try that hard:



http://www.livescience.com/21457-what-is-a-law-in-science-definition-of-scientific-law.html

http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/12/5-scientific-laws-and-the-scientists-behind-them/

Basically every scientist approves of these laws, as they are the basis of our scientific understanding of the universe.
Give me a scientist that approves of the idea of God, then we can talk. (Evidence also please)

Oop's - my mistake > I read that statement "doesn't have laws", and that's why it did't make sense to me!!! Sorry, it's late where I am now!
I do agree that the universe is governed by laws from keeping it from chaos! 100%!

And that's what I was talking about; everything is governed by law and order > regardless if you believe or not that there is a higher force that holds that law and order,

Oh ok xD. So you believe that there is something governing the laws, and I don't. I'm not sure how either of us can prove to the other why there is or isn't something governing the laws, so unless you do, I think we have resolved this argument to the fullest we can. Thank you, this has been interesting.

I was going to bed, but after reading your response, I couldn't hold it till tomorrow!

I need not to prove there is something governing the laws, because you just proved that yourself!

If you believe there is a Law that keeps everything from chaos > the law couldn't have come from nothing or from chaos, because there is always someone who makes the laws and controls them!

We both agree there is law and there is order > then let's call the "LAW" > "GOD" - that keeps everything in order!

Good night...

Possible. However if the universe had no beginning, most likely explanation, then there never was anyone to create the laws, they formed themselves. If you believe that God is those laws, then I do believe in those laws, but I'm not so sure they are a conscious being, much less one who cares about us.

Self aware entities can be creating from 'nothing' just like our universe. Perhaps God was one of these 'Boltzman Brains'..... In any event, given how vast the universe is, I highly doubt whatever God is, he gives a damn if 2 dudes want to get it on together.

In both everything and the 'nothing' in the universe, there on the Planck scale of things, there is a hive of activity going in. Perhaps there is a pattern to it that permeates the entire universe and we will never comprehend it. Perhaps on this scale is the workings of God.

All gods were created by man and given the power to explain, fill in, excuse, cajole, condole and console the population that the god was intended to pacify.

Corn ain't growing so good. Corn god must be pissed off.
Let's kill a virgin.

A few years later the weather improves and corn grows better.
Cause and effect?

Nope. But, there is no end to other gods to appease . . .


Ever wonder why people think other's gods are a sham?

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 12:49:39 PM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 12:35:40 PM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 12:32:29 PM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 12:17:14 PM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 12:08:07 PM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 11:57:08 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 11:37:43 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 09:31:55 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 09:29:08 AM

So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!

In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!

When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.

Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.

Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?

Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!

If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?

Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.

You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!

Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!

Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!

It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.

You know; I had to flip my head upside down to understand the balded statement, but I failed to do so!
I even asked Google to analyze it > it had an instant shut-down!

Let me hear some scientists approve it, then we shall talk!

You either have bad internet or did not try that hard:



http://www.livescience.com/21457-what-is-a-law-in-science-definition-of-scientific-law.html

http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/12/5-scientific-laws-and-the-scientists-behind-them/

Basically every scientist approves of these laws, as they are the basis of our scientific understanding of the universe.
Give me a scientist that approves of the idea of God, then we can talk. (Evidence also please)

Oop's - my mistake > I read that statement "doesn't have laws", and that's why it did't make sense to me!!! Sorry, it's late where I am now!
I do agree that the universe is governed by laws from keeping it from chaos! 100%!

And that's what I was talking about; everything is governed by law and order > regardless if you believe or not that there is a higher force that holds that law and order,

Oh ok xD. So you believe that there is something governing the laws, and I don't. I'm not sure how either of us can prove to the other why there is or isn't something governing the laws, so unless you do, I think we have resolved this argument to the fullest we can. Thank you, this has been interesting.

I was going to bed, but after reading your response, I couldn't hold it till tomorrow!

I need not to prove there is something governing the laws, because you just proved that yourself!

If you believe there is a Law that keeps everything from chaos > the law couldn't have come from nothing or from chaos, because there is always someone who makes the laws and controls them!

We both agree there is law and there is order > then let's call the "LAW" > "GOD" - that keeps everything in order!

Good night...

Possible. However if the universe had no beginning, most likely explanation, then there never was anyone to create the laws, they formed themselves. If you believe that God is those laws, then I do believe in those laws, but I'm not so sure they are a conscious being, much less one who cares about us.

When I started a thread and asked few questions about the big bang theory, one of the scientific answers was that space was created after the explosion and space was formed within the explosion!
But, they couldn’t explain what was outside the explosion – in other words, that massive ball of energy that had exploded must’ve existed in something and must’ve came from somewhere! If space expands, it must expand in something, so what’s outside it?

No matter how you look at the issue, you shall always end up in singularity – a self-awareness realm that exists above and within everything.

I still don’t understand what people mean by “God doesn’t care about us”!!!

Let me ask you instead; do you care about yourself?

Have you tuned your biological clock to the universal one and lived in synchronicity with nature, or have you opposed the laws of nature and drifted away with your life into a chaotic state of awareness, where there are no family ties and no connection with the over-all awareness which gives power to the soul and to the heart?

Have you looked back into your life and realized where have you gone or done wrong, and have you tried to work harder to correct your path (repenting) – you can do that between you and yourself (you don’t have to confess to a priest)!
When you admit to yourself doing something wrong and feel sorry for what have you done, and have a desirable intent to do better, God will be there with you and feels with you, enlightens your way to see what’s right and what’s wrong and will open doors for you in life, you didn’t realize or notice before.

To make the connection with God/ your self-awareness, you have to be the initiative – the INTENT to be good, to be a better person, regardless of where or when you start. It’s never too late to correct our path in life – all that it takes is a spark and an initiative. You have to activate the god in you by making the connection.

Most people get the wrong idea about God, and that’s why they run away from Him > when, in fact, they will be running away from themselves!

God is not a boogeyman; God is the good part in you!

God is not a boogeyman; God is the good part in you!

I don't believe in gods. Why can't you accept that and get on with your life?

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 24, 2017, 02:19:11 AM

God is not a boogeyman; God is the good part in you!

I don't believe in gods. Why can't you accept that and get on with your life?

And why do I have to accept what you believe?

When a person doesn't believe and have trust in the good part in him, how does he expect others to listen to what he has to say or follow his footsteps?

If you don't believe you're a good person, that is your problem, and your problem alone not others!

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 02:16:49 PM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 12:49:39 PM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 12:35:40 PM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 12:32:29 PM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 12:17:14 PM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 12:08:07 PM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 11:57:08 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 11:37:43 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 09:31:55 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 09:29:08 AM

So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!

In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!

When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.

Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.

Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?

Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!

If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?

Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.

You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!

Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!

Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!

It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.

You know; I had to flip my head upside down to understand the balded statement, but I failed to do so!
I even asked Google to analyze it > it had an instant shut-down!

Let me hear some scientists approve it, then we shall talk!

You either have bad internet or did not try that hard:



http://www.livescience.com/21457-what-is-a-law-in-science-definition-of-scientific-law.html

http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/12/5-scientific-laws-and-the-scientists-behind-them/

Basically every scientist approves of these laws, as they are the basis of our scientific understanding of the universe.
Give me a scientist that approves of the idea of God, then we can talk. (Evidence also please)

Oop's - my mistake > I read that statement "doesn't have laws", and that's why it did't make sense to me!!! Sorry, it's late where I am now!
I do agree that the universe is governed by laws from keeping it from chaos! 100%!

And that's what I was talking about; everything is governed by law and order > regardless if you believe or not that there is a higher force that holds that law and order,

Oh ok xD. So you believe that there is something governing the laws, and I don't. I'm not sure how either of us can prove to the other why there is or isn't something governing the laws, so unless you do, I think we have resolved this argument to the fullest we can. Thank you, this has been interesting.

I was going to bed, but after reading your response, I couldn't hold it till tomorrow!

I need not to prove there is something governing the laws, because you just proved that yourself!

If you believe there is a Law that keeps everything from chaos > the law couldn't have come from nothing or from chaos, because there is always someone who makes the laws and controls them!

We both agree there is law and there is order > then let's call the "LAW" > "GOD" - that keeps everything in order!

Good night...

Possible. However if the universe had no beginning, most likely explanation, then there never was anyone to create the laws, they formed themselves. If you believe that God is those laws, then I do believe in those laws, but I'm not so sure they are a conscious being, much less one who cares about us.

When I started a thread and asked few questions about the big bang theory, one of the scientific answers was that space was created after the explosion and space was formed within the explosion!
But, they couldn’t explain what was outside the explosion – in other words, that massive ball of energy that had exploded must’ve existed in something and must’ve came from somewhere! If space expands, it must expand in something, so what’s outside it?

No matter how you look at the issue, you shall always end up in singularity – a self-awareness realm that exists above and within everything.

I still don’t understand what people mean by “God doesn’t care about us”!!!

Let me ask you instead; do you care about yourself?

Have you tuned your biological clock to the universal one and lived in synchronicity with nature, or have you opposed the laws of nature and drifted away with your life into a chaotic state of awareness, where there are no family ties and no connection with the over-all awareness which gives power to the soul and to the heart?

Have you looked back into your life and realized where have you gone or done wrong, and have you tried to work harder to correct your path (repenting) – you can do that between you and yourself (you don’t have to confess to a priest)!
When you admit to yourself doing something wrong and feel sorry for what have you done, and have a desirable intent to do better, God will be there with you and feels with you, enlightens your way to see what’s right and what’s wrong and will open doors for you in life, you didn’t realize or notice before.

To make the connection with God/ your self-awareness, you have to be the initiative – the INTENT to be good, to be a better person, regardless of where or when you start. It’s never too late to correct our path in life – all that it takes is a spark and an initiative. You have to activate the god in you by making the connection.

Most people get the wrong idea about God, and that’s why they run away from Him > when, in fact, they will be running away from themselves!

God is not a boogeyman; God is the good part in you!

I constantly try to make myself and others do better, but my initiative is not the belief in a God. My initiative is how short and valuable life is, and every generation is a new opportunity to give the next generation a better life. I feel very connected to the world, as we are not separate from it. We are made of the universe (Literally) and just because our consciousness and senses give us a relative perspective, does not separate us from the rest of the universe. I feel that the idea of a soul gives us each a oneness, which feels nice, but its not true. If you think that God is a part of you, then what is the point of calling it God and not just yourself.
What do you mean by a self awareness realm? Is it a system in the universe that is, itself, conscious?

And why do I have to accept what you believe?

I do not have the clunky brass balls to ever suggest
you should ever believe what I believe.

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 24, 2017, 02:19:11 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 02:16:49 PM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 12:49:39 PM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 12:35:40 PM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 12:32:29 PM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 12:17:14 PM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 12:08:07 PM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 11:57:08 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 11:37:43 AM

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 23, 2017, 09:31:55 AM

Quote from: Hannibaal on April 23, 2017, 09:29:08 AM

So, you believe in "goodness" but you refuse to call it God!

In my opening I said God is not an entity - God is a faith - God is believing in goodness!
So, in my eyes > I see a believer in God, even if you refuse to say so!

When you show me your goodness, you will be showing me how much you believe in God!
I don't see what's in you heart, I see your actions.

Well if you believe God to be goodness, then I believe in that definition of God. I was thinking more of the type of God that created us, and works to care for us daily. Can I have your definition of goodness and your definition of badness? Because both are somewhat based on perspective.

Ok, let me ask you something; would you prefer to believe that we are part of the cycle of nature and the universe and a major part of their balance; that is perfectly designed to be self-sustained for a prolonged life – a universe connected as a whole, thus, looks vastly separated to us, because we cannot see or feel beyond our given senses > or would you rather believe we are the result of chaos, or even maybe we descended from another more intelligent race, as some might believe?

Chaos could never create order > no order … no construction > no universe!

If another race created us > who had created them - Chaos or order?

Look at everything around you; from the micro to the macro > without law and order nothing would have become and nothing would’ve existed. Everything exists because it is at exact proportions – an atom of gold is different from an atom of lead, and any change in the structure of that atom would change its given identity.

You cannot get that precision from chaos, but from a perfect designer and a capable sustainer of what He had designed and created!

Law and order could never come from nothing or from chaos > to keep law and order in control, you need a higher realm of awareness – above and within everything!

Goodness has ONE face, and Badness comes in many!

It is not what I prefer to believe, it is what the facts and evidence show us. The universe does have laws governing it, and this is part of what keeps the universe from going into chaos. The other part that keeps the universe from chaos, is that it is not a closed system. Chaos only takes place in a closed system (Unless you have an example of when it does not). We are not perfect and have flaws that an all knowing designer would not have overlooked. An atom of a certain element can have a degree of different electrons and/or neutrons without changing what material it is. I'm still not sure what is good and what is bad according to God.

You know; I had to flip my head upside down to understand the balded statement, but I failed to do so!
I even asked Google to analyze it > it had an instant shut-down!

Let me hear some scientists approve it, then we shall talk!

You either have bad internet or did not try that hard:



http://www.livescience.com/21457-what-is-a-law-in-science-definition-of-scientific-law.html

http://www.neatorama.com/2008/05/12/5-scientific-laws-and-the-scientists-behind-them/

Basically every scientist approves of these laws, as they are the basis of our scientific understanding of the universe.
Give me a scientist that approves of the idea of God, then we can talk. (Evidence also please)

Oop's - my mistake > I read that statement "doesn't have laws", and that's why it did't make sense to me!!! Sorry, it's late where I am now!
I do agree that the universe is governed by laws from keeping it from chaos! 100%!

And that's what I was talking about; everything is governed by law and order > regardless if you believe or not that there is a higher force that holds that law and order,

Oh ok xD. So you believe that there is something governing the laws, and I don't. I'm not sure how either of us can prove to the other why there is or isn't something governing the laws, so unless you do, I think we have resolved this argument to the fullest we can. Thank you, this has been interesting.

I was going to bed, but after reading your response, I couldn't hold it till tomorrow!

I need not to prove there is something governing the laws, because you just proved that yourself!

If you believe there is a Law that keeps everything from chaos > the law couldn't have come from nothing or from chaos, because there is always someone who makes the laws and controls them!

We both agree there is law and there is order > then let's call the "LAW" > "GOD" - that keeps everything in order!

Good night...

Possible. However if the universe had no beginning, most likely explanation, then there never was anyone to create the laws, they formed themselves. If you believe that God is those laws, then I do believe in those laws, but I'm not so sure they are a conscious being, much less one who cares about us.

When I started a thread and asked few questions about the big bang theory, one of the scientific answers was that space was created after the explosion and space was formed within the explosion!
But, they couldn’t explain what was outside the explosion – in other words, that massive ball of energy that had exploded must’ve existed in something and must’ve came from somewhere! If space expands, it must expand in something, so what’s outside it?

No matter how you look at the issue, you shall always end up in singularity – a self-awareness realm that exists above and within everything.

I still don’t understand what people mean by “God doesn’t care about us”!!!

Let me ask you instead; do you care about yourself?

Have you tuned your biological clock to the universal one and lived in synchronicity with nature, or have you opposed the laws of nature and drifted away with your life into a chaotic state of awareness, where there are no family ties and no connection with the over-all awareness which gives power to the soul and to the heart?

Have you looked back into your life and realized where have you gone or done wrong, and have you tried to work harder to correct your path (repenting) – you can do that between you and yourself (you don’t have to confess to a priest)!
When you admit to yourself doing something wrong and feel sorry for what have you done, and have a desirable intent to do better, God will be there with you and feels with you, enlightens your way to see what’s right and what’s wrong and will open doors for you in life, you didn’t realize or notice before.

To make the connection with God/ your self-awareness, you have to be the initiative – the INTENT to be good, to be a better person, regardless of where or when you start. It’s never too late to correct our path in life – all that it takes is a spark and an initiative. You have to activate the god in you by making the connection.

Most people get the wrong idea about God, and that’s why they run away from Him > when, in fact, they will be running away from themselves!

God is not a boogeyman; God is the good part in you!

I constantly try to make myself and others do better, but my initiative is not the belief in a God. My initiative is how short and valuable life is, and every generation is a new opportunity to give the next generation a better life. I feel very connected to the world, as we are not separate from it. We are made of the universe (Literally) and just because our consciousness and senses give us a relative perspective, does not separate us from the rest of the universe. I feel that the idea of a soul gives us each a oneness, which feels nice, but its not true. If you think that God is a part of you, then what is the point of calling it God and not just yourself.
What do you mean by a self awareness realm? Is it a system in the universe that is, itself, conscious?

Asking if God cares about us is not the same thing as asking if we care about ourselves. As one is theoretically infinitely smarter and more aware than the other.

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You can just quote the relevant parts of a reply guys, some of these posts are longer than sandokhans.

Asking if God cares about us is not the same thing as asking if we care about ourselves. As one is theoretically infinitely smarter and more aware than the other.

A single brain cell might look independent under a microscope, where in fact; its a tiny part of a major network!
Earth is a tiny little ball spinning independently in space, where in fact it's connected by "an invisible force" to a bigger solar system, to a much bigger galaxy, and to what looks to us like an infinite constellation!

The goodness in me, in you, in him, and in everybody else is also connected by "an invisible force" - that acts independently in every person, and act as a whole in a different realm! Everything around us is made up of energy. To attract positive things in your life, start by giving off positive energy.

“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience” – Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Quote from: Physical Experimenter on April 28, 2017, 01:32:41 AM

Asking if God cares about us is not the same thing as asking if we care about ourselves. As one is theoretically infinitely smarter and more aware than the other.

A single brain cell might look independent under a microscope, where in fact; its a tiny part of a major network!
Earth is a tiny little ball spinning independently in space, where in fact it's connected by "an invisible force" to a bigger solar system, to a much bigger galaxy, and to what looks to us like an infinite constellation!

The goodness in me, in you, in him, and in everybody else is also connected by "an invisible force" - that acts independently in every person, and act as a whole in a different realm! Everything around us is made up of energy. To attract positive things in your life, start by giving off positive energy.

“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience” – Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

But goodness is not an invisible force. It takes place in the brain and is another part of all the electrical pulses that give us our consciousness.
Can you respond to my previous response?