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You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.

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You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« on: April 19, 2017, 05:34:29 AM »
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2017, 07:01:29 AM »
There is an Antarctica, this is not a conspiracy. The problem is what Antarctica is.
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2017, 08:13:36 AM »
For the first time I agree with intikam. Most flat earther do not debate the existence of antarctica but its properties.

You would have to circumnavigate or cross it to disprove them.

Or observe a 24 hour day/night.
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2017, 08:24:13 AM »
Quote from: İntikam on April 19, 2017, 07:01:29 AM
There is an Antarctica, this is not a conspiracy.
That's right.  It's Australia that doesn't exist.
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cerius

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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2017, 05:39:45 PM »
Also take note that there's no GPS down there - or so I've heard. ...SO if you're getting sent to the "south pole" on a tourist trip - you would prolly have to verify it yourself with more accurate instrumentation...
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2017, 06:20:14 PM »
Many more numbers of people visit Lapland every year, does that make it where Santa lives?
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2017, 07:30:14 PM »
Quote from: Antirockballtheorist on April 19, 2017, 06:20:14 PM
Many more numbers of people visit Lapland every year, does that make it where Santa lives?
Of course not, silly.  Everyone knows that Santa lives at the North Pole.
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2017, 08:25:39 PM »
Quote from: cerius on April 19, 2017, 05:39:45 PM
Also take note that there's no GPS down there - or so I've heard. ...

Citation needed.

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SO if you're getting sent to the "south pole" on a tourist trip - you would prolly have to verify it yourself with more accurate instrumentation...

That's straightforward enough... if you understand what instrumentation is needed.

A sextant will do. An accurate clock and good magnetic compass will make it easier, but, absent (or if you don't trust) those, a sextant alone will do, with some more effort.
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2017, 09:24:40 PM »
Quote from: İntikam on April 19, 2017, 07:01:29 AM
There is an Antarctica, this is not a conspiracy. The problem is what Antarctica is.
Yes, there is an Antarctica and we know where it is any what it looks like:

The International Trans-Antarctica Expedition, 1989-1990 - Route
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2017, 12:16:41 AM »
Quote from: markjo on April 19, 2017, 08:24:13 AM
Quote from: İntikam on April 19, 2017, 07:01:29 AM
There is an Antarctica, this is not a conspiracy.
That's right.  It's Australia that doesn't exist.

I don't get your point. I never said Australia exist or not. I have no effective idea about that situation.
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2017, 02:49:27 AM »
Quote from: İntikam on April 20, 2017, 12:16:41 AM
Quote from: markjo on April 19, 2017, 08:24:13 AM
Quote from: İntikam on April 19, 2017, 07:01:29 AM
There is an Antarctica, this is not a conspiracy.
That's right.  It's Australia that doesn't exist.

I don't get your point. I never said Australia exist or not. I have no effective idea about that situation.

Adding "jokes" to the list of things Intikam doesn't understand...

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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2017, 02:52:25 AM »
A lot more than 40k people see angels, ghosts and other such things every year.

'Seeing Antarctica', like 'flying in outer space' is merely the age of science belief equivalent of 'looking upon the face of god' was during the age of mystical belief.
No less, and certainly no more, real.
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2017, 03:39:30 AM »
Quote from: Antirockballtheorist on April 20, 2017, 02:52:25 AM
A lot more than 40k people see angels, ghosts and other such things every year.

'Seeing Antarctica', like 'flying in outer space' is merely the age of science belief equivalent of 'looking upon the face of god' was during the age of mystical belief.
No less, and certainly no more, real.
Evidence that Roald Amundsen's and Robert Scott's expeditions were not genuine?
Evidence that you are a real person and not a chat-bot?

I believe that there is no doubt that those expeditions genuinely did reach the South Pole,
but I wouldn't put any money on Antirockballtheorist being a real human being, not even as real as Arealhumanbeing.
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2017, 10:39:26 AM »
Quote from: Alpha2Omega on April 19, 2017, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: cerius on April 19, 2017, 05:39:45 PM
Also take note that there's no GPS down there - or so I've heard. ...

Citation needed.

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SO if you're getting sent to the "south pole" on a tourist trip - you would prolly have to verify it yourself with more accurate instrumentation...

That's straightforward enough... if you understand what instrumentation is needed.

A sextant will do. An accurate clock and good magnetic compass will make it easier, but, absent (or if you don't trust) those, a sextant alone will do, with some more effort.


magnetic compass don't work at the south pole bud.  also - the oscillation of the sun during the summer in antarctica would be very difficult to judge with a sextant.

It's funny - but I think YOU don't understand the instrumentation required....
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2017, 10:48:14 AM »
Quote from: cerius on April 20, 2017, 10:39:26 AM
magnetic compass don't work at the south pole bud. 
Actually a magnetic compass does work at the South Pole.  It just doesn't point where you might think that it should.

Quote from: cerius on April 20, 2017, 10:39:26 AM
also - the oscillation of the sun during the summer in antarctica would be very difficult to judge with a sextant.
Why would you say that?  Is the oscillation any worse than the pitching and rolling deck of a ship at sea?

Quote from: cerius on April 20, 2017, 10:39:26 AM
It's funny - but I think YOU don't understand the instrumentation required....
Are you sure that you do?
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2017, 11:09:37 AM »
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2017, 11:24:33 AM »
Quote from: cerius on April 20, 2017, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: Alpha2Omega on April 19, 2017, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: cerius on April 19, 2017, 05:39:45 PM
Also take note that there's no GPS down there - or so I've heard. ...

Citation needed.

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SO if you're getting sent to the "south pole" on a tourist trip - you would prolly have to verify it yourself with more accurate instrumentation...

That's straightforward enough... if you understand what instrumentation is needed.

A sextant will do. An accurate clock and good magnetic compass will make it easier, but, absent (or if you don't trust) those, a sextant alone will do, with some more effort.

magnetic compass don't work at the south pole bud.  also - the oscillation of the sun during the summer in antarctica would be very difficult to judge with a sextant.

I'm fairly sure Amundsen used sextants to find the south pole on the basis that it was the point where the sun's height didn't change throughout the day. Anyway, here he is using one:



Since the south magnetic pole is quite a long way from the geographic one (at about 64oS) a magnetic compass would be far from redundant.

I think GNSS is also operational but with reduced accuracy as the satellites don't get so high in the sky.
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2017, 04:19:10 PM »
Quote from: rabinoz on April 20, 2017, 03:39:30 AM
Quote from: Antirockballtheorist on April 20, 2017, 02:52:25 AM
A lot more than 40k people see angels, ghosts and other such things every year.

'Seeing Antarctica', like 'flying in outer space' is merely the age of science belief equivalent of 'looking upon the face of god' was during the age of mystical belief.
No less, and certainly no more, real.
Evidence that Roald Amundsen's and Robert Scott's expeditions were not genuine?
Evidence that you are a real person and not a chat-bot?

I believe that there is no doubt that those expeditions genuinely did reach the South Pole,
but I wouldn't put any money on Antirockballtheorist being a real human being, not even as real as Arealhumanbeing.

Believe. Whatever you want.
Lacking doubt it still remains only that, something you believe.
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2017, 05:31:09 PM »
Quote from: Antirockballtheorist on April 20, 2017, 04:19:10 PM
Believe. Whatever you want.
Lacking doubt it still remains only that, something you believe.
Assuming that everyone is lying about everything is not the same as doubt.
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2017, 05:09:52 AM »
Quote from: Copper Knickers on April 20, 2017, 11:24:33 AM

I'm fairly sure Amundsen used sextants to find the south pole on the basis that it was the point where the sun's height didn't change throughout the day. Anyway, here he is using one:



Since the south magnetic pole is quite a long way from the geographic one (at about 64oS) a magnetic compass would be far from redundant.

I think GNSS is also operational but with reduced accuracy as the satellites don't get so high in the sky.

it's like you're using words and then not applying the meaning to the sentence you created...

Magnetic south pole wanders, right? So does the geomagnetic one...albeit at a slower rate and there's all sorts of hypotheses out there to explain this.

Anywho - say amundsen uses a "sextant" to take "notes" on the differences in readings between the height of the sun where he's at and whatever his magnetic compass is telling him.

How does he progress?

I mean think for a second. You're sitting in whiteout conditions with a sextant and the height difference of the sun here has not really been observable since passing south of the 77th parallel....probably alot earlier.


For "GPS" Anyone wanna verify this picture?




Admunsen Base also supposedly has a "land based gps" system...but I'm having trouble connecting - a Trimble NetR8

https://www.unavco.org/projects/project-support/polar/base_stations_and_survey_systems/southpole/base.html

"With proper roving equipment, the system can be used as a base for centimeter-level post-processed surveys up to a 100 km radius"

So - a 62 mile radius around what they're claiming is the south pole.

Cool
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2017, 05:16:35 AM »
Here's another question -

Why is the US Antarctic program located in Denver, CO?

http://www.ip-tracker.org/locator/ip-lookup.php?ip=157.132.24.30
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2017, 05:31:53 AM »
Quote from: cerius on April 22, 2017, 05:16:35 AM
Here's another question -

Why is the US Antarctic program located in Denver, CO?

http://www.ip-tracker.org/locator/ip-lookup.php?ip=157.132.24.30
I'm presuming you're not being serious...but I'll humour you: that is the IP address of the server that hosts their website.
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Re: You do realize 40,000 people visit antarctica a year.
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2017, 07:10:58 AM »
Quote from: cerius on April 22, 2017, 05:16:35 AM
Here's another question -

Why is the US Antarctic program located in Denver, CO?

http://www.ip-tracker.org/locator/ip-lookup.php?ip=157.132.24.30
Actually, it's headquartered in Arlington, Va. because it's a part of the National Science Foundation, and it's probably a lot more convenient to do the administrative stuff where the government offices are.
https://www.usap.gov/
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