Bedford Level Experiment 2.0

So I have briefly designed a new version of the Bedford Level Experiment. First we need a large empty flat space, theoretically the Salt Flats might work however I am not sure they are long enough.

 So we take a laser detector and a powerful laser. Set the detector on a platform about a foot off the ground. Then build a minerlike track system stretching preferably 25 miles long. Build a sled on the track system that elevates the laser to the same height as the detector. Now that it is all set up set the sled 100metres away from the detector and fire the laser repeat every 100 metres until either the laser stops being detected or you run out of track.

If the laser stops being detected before you run out of track you can attach a secondary detector on pole above the first so you can change its height and fix a parabolic reflector onto the front so that you don't have to get positioning of the detector exactly right.

So if you no longer detect the laser from the primary detector then one of two things has happened, 1 the laser cannot reach that far, 2 there is curvature or something else causing it to bend. The secondary detector can then be used to determine which one of these is true my adjusting the height until a reading is received or the height goes above a conceivable amount (10m)

What is everyone's thoughts on this experiment and if it did give results of the laser appearing higher up the further away it went would this affect your opinion on the overall Flat Earth Theory?

So I have briefly designed a new version of the Bedford Level Experiment. First we need a large empty flat space, theoretically the Salt Flats might work however I am not sure they are long enough.

So we take a laser detector and a powerful laser. Set the detector on a platform about a foot off the ground. Then build a minerlike track system stretching preferably 25 miles long. Build a sled on the track system that elevates the laser to the same height as the detector. Now that it is all set up set the sled 100metres away from the detector and fire the laser repeat every 100 metres until either the laser stops being detected or you run out of track.

If the laser stops being detected before you run out of track you can attach a secondary detector on pole above the first so you can change its height and fix a parabolic reflector onto the front so that you don't have to get positioning of the detector exactly right.

So if you no longer detect the laser from the primary detector then one of two things has happened, 1 the laser cannot reach that far, 2 there is curvature or something else causing it to bend. The secondary detector can then be used to determine which one of these is true my adjusting the height until a reading is received or the height goes above a conceivable amount (10m)

What is everyone's thoughts on this experiment and if it did give results of the laser appearing higher up the further away it went would this affect your opinion on the overall Flat Earth Theory?

Paragraphs are free, legibility is priceless.

I think it's cool you should try it.

If you find my formatting bad and an obstacle to reading, one I am posting this on a phone so it's difficult and two I would be happy to write it out as a full step by step method fitting my A-Level Physics Experiment plan specification

I'm not sure if this site allows it but if you were to start a kickstarter campaign and post the link here I would kick in a few bucks.

Boots, sounds like a cool idea, I don't have the time or have any idea how much money I would need to pull off such an experiment. But I might look into it

I think you'd be better off trying this experiment over a body of water. There's no guarantee that a land mass would be flat.

Why not do the test here in Canada at Niagara at the Lake. From there you can view to Toronto and do the test by looking thru a good telescope which leve you can see on the buildings.
I would help to perform the test. And even every flat earth idea believer is invited to check the test.

I would be happy to write it out as a full step by step method fitting my A-Level Physics Experiment plan specification

Show me.

Doing it over land has the issue of figuring out how flat the land is.
You also have the issue with how level the laser is.
You may also get issues with refraction.

I think a better test would be a series of poles in a line, levelled using a water level or the like.

The problem with water is that the water might not be steady so waves will interrupt the laser's path

So I have briefly designed a new version of the Bedford Level Experiment. First we need a large empty flat space, theoretically the Salt Flats might work however I am not sure they are long enough.

 So we take a laser detector and a powerful laser. Set the detector on a platform about a foot off the ground. Then build a minerlike track system stretching preferably 25 miles long. Build a sled on the track system that elevates the laser to the same height as the detector. Now that it is all set up set the sled 100metres away from the detector and fire the laser repeat every 100 metres until either the laser stops being detected or you run out of track.

If the laser stops being detected before you run out of track you can attach a secondary detector on pole above the first so you can change its height and fix a parabolic reflector onto the front so that you don't have to get positioning of the detector exactly right.

So if you no longer detect the laser from the primary detector then one of two things has happened, 1 the laser cannot reach that far, 2 there is curvature or something else causing it to bend. The secondary detector can then be used to determine which one of these is true my adjusting the height until a reading is received or the height goes above a conceivable amount (10m)

What is everyone's thoughts on this experiment and if it did give results of the laser appearing higher up the further away it went would this affect your opinion on the overall Flat Earth Theory?

Someone already did a laser test across the Bonneville salt flats. I think they went 10/15 miles showing no curvature, what-so-ever.

The reason the salt flats are flat: Water annually fills the slat lake with water, the salt floats on the water mimicking the water surface, horizontally flat, and continues to do so when the water drains/evaporates.

There is a lake in Siberia{Lake Baikal}, that would be perfect for your experiment, several hundred miles long, and is considered the largest flat surface in the world when in freezes over.

Can you link me to this laser experiment?

Can you link me to this laser experiment?

It's on youtube, I'm sure you can think of what to put in their search engine.

The problem with water is that the water might not be steady so waves will interrupt the laser's path

Superior mirage/refraction will likely cause issues that close to the water.  The laser needs to be much higher up.

Quote from: JackSchitt on March 19, 2017, 03:13:25 AM

Can you link me to this laser experiment?

It's on youtube, I'm sure you can think of what to put in their search engine.

Do you have any evidence more substantial than a youtube video that you can't produce a link to?

Quote from: JackSchitt on March 18, 2017, 06:43:48 PM

So I have briefly designed a new version of the Bedford Level Experiment. First we need a large empty flat space, theoretically the Salt Flats might work however I am not sure they are long enough.

 So we take a laser detector and a powerful laser. Set the detector on a platform about a foot off the ground. Then build a minerlike track system stretching preferably 25 miles long. Build a sled on the track system that elevates the laser to the same height as the detector. Now that it is all set up set the sled 100metres away from the detector and fire the laser repeat every 100 metres until either the laser stops being detected or you run out of track.

If the laser stops being detected before you run out of track you can attach a secondary detector on pole above the first so you can change its height and fix a parabolic reflector onto the front so that you don't have to get positioning of the detector exactly right.

So if you no longer detect the laser from the primary detector then one of two things has happened, 1 the laser cannot reach that far, 2 there is curvature or something else causing it to bend. The secondary detector can then be used to determine which one of these is true my adjusting the height until a reading is received or the height goes above a conceivable amount (10m)

What is everyone's thoughts on this experiment and if it did give results of the laser appearing higher up the further away it went would this affect your opinion on the overall Flat Earth Theory?

Someone already did a laser test across the Bonneville salt flats. I think they went 10/15 miles showing no curvature, what-so-ever.

You don't sound very certain about how the experiment was conducted. Why should anyone believe your conclusion about what it purports to show?

The reason the salt flats are flat: Water annually fills the slat lake with water^{[citation needed]}, the salt floats on the water^{[citation needed]} mimicking the water surface, horizontally flat, and continues to do so when the water drains/evaporates.

Salt continues to float after the water evaporates? Are you sure? Halite (NaCl), with a specific gravity of 2, doesn't even float at all. It is soluble in water, though, and precipitates out when water evaporates. If the lake drains, the water takes the dissolved salt with it.

There is a lake in Siberia{Lake Baikal}, that would be perfect for your experiment, several hundred miles long, and is considered the largest flat surface in the world^{[citation needed]} when in freezes over.

You also have the issue with how level the laser is.

Even if not level you can produce valid results.  If the earth is flat the resulting measurements will be linear, if the earth is curved the measurements will not be linear.

Atmospheric refraction is an issue but it's well understood and can be controlled for.

The problem with water is that the water might not be steady so waves will interrupt the laser's path

A water level, not water by itself.
Basically a long tube (with T pieces for each pole) which then has a clear cylinder with the level marked on it. Align the water with that level on all of them (it is much easier to just do it with 2 rather than many at once).

Someone already did a laser test across the Bonneville salt flats. I think they went 10/15 miles showing no curvature, what-so-ever.

Citation needed.

The reason the salt flats are flat: Water annually fills the slat lake with water, the salt floats on the water mimicking the water surface, horizontally flat, and continues to do so when the water drains/evaporates.

Except they aren't actually flat. Instead they are level. Big difference.
Also, salt doesn't float on water.
One thing which helps life stay in very cold waters is that as water cools, the solubility of the salt decreases, resulting in it separating into a more concentrated salty solution which sinks and a less salty solution which floats and then freezes creating an insulating layer.

You really don't understand the physics of water do you?

There is a lake in Siberia{Lake Baikal}, that would be perfect for your experiment, several hundred miles long, and is considered the largest flat surface in the world when in freezes over.

Flat or level?

It's on youtube, I'm sure you can think of what to put in their search engine.

So one of the least reliable places in the world with Flat Earthers routinely spreading false information and silencing their critics who point out their lies?


Also, I checked on youtube. Couldn't find it.
The closest I found was a visual test using a camera and a car driving away.
There were issues with mirages, and you still see the car disappearing from the bottom up, but the mirages make it too difficult to confirm anything.

I think I found a video that the physical nonobserver was talking about:



The only thing is that guy only talks about it he did not do it.

The problem with the physical nonobserver is that he never present a prove I would almost bed money on it.

Quote from: JackSchitt on March 19, 2017, 03:09:19 AM

The problem with water is that the water might not be steady so waves will interrupt the laser's path

A water level, not water by itself.
Basically a long tube (with T pieces for each pole) which then has a clear cylinder with the level marked on it. Align the water with that level on all of them (it is much easier to just do it with 2 rather than many at once).

This method is used in building construction for centuries. take a long transparent garden hose, fill it with water. take both ends at the same height (higher than the rest of the hose of course), mark the level of the water inside the hose, and you can level out an area on greater distances. all you need to take care of is that both ends need to be open and doesn't get below the rest of the hose, so water flows out.

I think I found a video that the physical nonobserver was talking about:



The only thing is that guy only talks about it he did not do it.

The problem with the physical nonobserver is that he never present a prove I would almost bed money on it.

So he only rejects observations that disprove his notions but will accept a video of someone saying they know someone else who did this experiment if it shows what he wants it to show.  Yet another open minded (stupid) conspiracy theorist. 

I left this for a bit, I am surprised with the amount of debate on here.

As for using a T shaped pole and a telescope, or anything with a telescope for that matter is that it opens the experiment up to human error, this is an issue as unless hundreds of people half flat earth half not confirm the line is visible/not visible, then the side which is disproved can claim fake evidence.

And the reason you take more than one measurement is so that overall you can work out an average which will in theory iron out all anomalies if repeated enough times giving us a true result to at what distance the laser is no longer detected, if that happens at all.

Professional land surveyors use "geodetic" techniques for large areas. They have to factor in the curve of the Earth for it to work. You had better hire one of them.
http://www.surveyors.com/land-surveyors/land-survey-techniques/

More on geodetic surveying:

https://www.reference.com/math/geodetic-surveying-4909bd65107dc61e#