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What is the truth about the 911 attack on the World Trade Center?

Hijacked Planes were flown into the two towers.  Resulting fires caused the collapse.
14 (60.9%)
The planes were CGI and it was controlled demolition
2 (8.7%)
Something other than planes were flown into the twin towers,  missiles drones etc.
2 (8.7%)
The planes were holographic projections from a special satellite, and it was a directed energy weapon
1 (4.3%)
Something else.
3 (13%)
Denspressure
1 (4.3%)

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Voting closed: March 06, 2017, 10:56:40 PM

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5100 on: September 17, 2017, 07:32:01 AM »
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Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 07:13:17 AM
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Analysis of the supposed nano thermite particles reveals a different story to what you suggest.  The particles are in fact red oxide primer.


Yes, and all that thin, 30 years old (dead) red oxid primer paint fell off during the collapses and were collected as dust on window sills all over Manhattan.
I really wonder who made that dust analysis. Any ideas?

If you are interested I have a pdf I can perhaps upload somewhere,   or try to remember  where I downloaded it originally.   

The company that did the analysis was MVA http://www.mvascientificconsultants.com/

Ok here's some light reading for you.   http://static.blog4ever.com/2011/12/582183/9119ProgressReport022912_rev1_030112web.pdf

No, I am not really interested in your stuff. Any XYZ org can fake it.

You might think it's easy to fake analysis,  but no it's not.  If you know how to read and understand the analysis, it's clearly not nano thermite, they also do comparison with real nano thermite supplied by Lawrence Livermore.   

So, to save you from having to read the analysis,  I can summarize for you.  No nano thermite.    So your demolition theory is not supported by the evidence.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5101 on: September 17, 2017, 07:58:11 AM »
Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 07:32:01 AM
Quote from: Heiwa on September 17, 2017, 07:24:56 AM
Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 07:13:17 AM
Quote from: Heiwa on September 17, 2017, 06:37:05 AM
Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 03:07:54 AM

Analysis of the supposed nano thermite particles reveals a different story to what you suggest.  The particles are in fact red oxide primer.


Yes, and all that thin, 30 years old (dead) red oxid primer paint fell off during the collapses and were collected as dust on window sills all over Manhattan.
I really wonder who made that dust analysis. Any ideas?

If you are interested I have a pdf I can perhaps upload somewhere,   or try to remember  where I downloaded it originally.   

The company that did the analysis was MVA http://www.mvascientificconsultants.com/

Ok here's some light reading for you.   http://static.blog4ever.com/2011/12/582183/9119ProgressReport022912_rev1_030112web.pdf

No, I am not really interested in your stuff. Any XYZ org can fake it.

You might think it's easy to fake analysis,  but no it's not.  If you know how to read and understand the analysis, it's clearly not nano thermite, they also do comparison with real nano thermite supplied by Lawrence Livermore.   

So, to save you from having to read the analysis,  I can summarize for you.  No nano thermite.    So your demolition theory is not supported by the evidence.

Well, I trust my friend professor Niels Harrit & associates who think it is real nano thermite.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5102 on: September 17, 2017, 08:02:51 AM »
Quote from: Heiwa on September 17, 2017, 07:58:11 AM
Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 07:32:01 AM
Quote from: Heiwa on September 17, 2017, 07:24:56 AM
Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 07:13:17 AM
Quote from: Heiwa on September 17, 2017, 06:37:05 AM
Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 03:07:54 AM

Analysis of the supposed nano thermite particles reveals a different story to what you suggest.  The particles are in fact red oxide primer.


Yes, and all that thin, 30 years old (dead) red oxid primer paint fell off during the collapses and were collected as dust on window sills all over Manhattan.
I really wonder who made that dust analysis. Any ideas?

If you are interested I have a pdf I can perhaps upload somewhere,   or try to remember  where I downloaded it originally.   

The company that did the analysis was MVA http://www.mvascientificconsultants.com/

Ok here's some light reading for you.   http://static.blog4ever.com/2011/12/582183/9119ProgressReport022912_rev1_030112web.pdf

No, I am not really interested in your stuff. Any XYZ org can fake it.

You might think it's easy to fake analysis,  but no it's not.  If you know how to read and understand the analysis, it's clearly not nano thermite, they also do comparison with real nano thermite supplied by Lawrence Livermore.   

So, to save you from having to read the analysis,  I can summarize for you.  No nano thermite.    So your demolition theory is not supported by the evidence.

Well, I trust my friend professor Niels Harrit & associates who think it is real nano thermite.

LOL,  That's the guy who sued a Danish Newspaper that called him a 9/11 crackpot?     You have funny friends.

Oh, he lost the case. 
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5103 on: September 17, 2017, 08:04:58 AM »
Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 08:02:51 AM
Quote from: Heiwa on September 17, 2017, 07:58:11 AM
Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 07:32:01 AM
Quote from: Heiwa on September 17, 2017, 07:24:56 AM
Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 07:13:17 AM
Quote from: Heiwa on September 17, 2017, 06:37:05 AM
Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 03:07:54 AM

Analysis of the supposed nano thermite particles reveals a different story to what you suggest.  The particles are in fact red oxide primer.


Yes, and all that thin, 30 years old (dead) red oxid primer paint fell off during the collapses and were collected as dust on window sills all over Manhattan.
I really wonder who made that dust analysis. Any ideas?

If you are interested I have a pdf I can perhaps upload somewhere,   or try to remember  where I downloaded it originally.   

The company that did the analysis was MVA http://www.mvascientificconsultants.com/

Ok here's some light reading for you.   http://static.blog4ever.com/2011/12/582183/9119ProgressReport022912_rev1_030112web.pdf

No, I am not really interested in your stuff. Any XYZ org can fake it.

You might think it's easy to fake analysis,  but no it's not.  If you know how to read and understand the analysis, it's clearly not nano thermite, they also do comparison with real nano thermite supplied by Lawrence Livermore.   

So, to save you from having to read the analysis,  I can summarize for you.  No nano thermite.    So your demolition theory is not supported by the evidence.

Well, I trust my friend professor Niels Harrit & associates who think it is real nano thermite.

LOL,  That's the guy who sued a Danish Newspaper that called him a 9/11 crackpot? You have funny friends.

Well, Niels is a retired Danish university professor or lecturer in chemistry and I like him. He is quite serious!

I have been called a lot of things by Swedish civil servants and newspapers, e.g."an unscientific, unintelligent and unreasonable querulant that spreads rumours and untruths (lies) as the worst creator of conspiracy theories" . Doesn't bother me, but my mother got upset about it.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5104 on: September 17, 2017, 08:17:04 AM »
Quote from: Heiwa on September 17, 2017, 08:04:58 AM
I have been called a lot of things by Swedish civil servants and newspapers, e.g."an unscientific, unintelligent and unreasonable querulant that spreads rumours and untruths (lies) as the worst creator of conspiracy theories" . Doesn't bother me, but my mother got upset about it.

That can be unfair on family members.  But I think it happens more than it should.   

The 9/11 debate can be fairly heated, and people get  stuck in their entrenched conspiracy view points.   After a while they seem to stop thinking, instead of seeing and accepting what the evidence actually says.



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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5105 on: September 17, 2017, 08:35:30 AM »
Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 08:17:04 AM
Quote from: Heiwa on September 17, 2017, 08:04:58 AM
I have been called a lot of things by Swedish civil servants and newspapers, e.g."an unscientific, unintelligent and unreasonable querulant that spreads rumours and untruths (lies) as the worst creator of conspiracy theories" . Doesn't bother me, but my mother got upset about it.

That can be unfair on family members.  But I think it happens more than it should.   

The 9/11 debate can be fairly heated, and people get  stuck in their entrenched conspiracy view points.   After a while they seem to stop thinking, instead of seeing and accepting what the evidence actually says.

I forgot to mention that Niels Harriet, like me, was accused by supporters of the GWB 911 CT (Arabs, planes, etc) of being a Holocaust denier! It really upset him and that was why he sued the newspaper. I recommended to ignore these crazy people and any court of law.

Evidence? It seems a poor person/prisoner at the US Guantanamo koncentration camp has admitted everything about 911, i.e. how he & Co planned it and executed the job. Of course it was under CIA/GWB approved torture. I would also admit it under torture. You sound like a supporter of torture. Question is if a US court of law will approve such admissions.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5106 on: September 17, 2017, 03:39:50 PM »
Soon.



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Check em.


Even chaos knows it's over. We will have the truth. It really does feel so good. Your opinion control on forums such as this will fail.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magic

9/11 will bring down your entire house of cards.

Also to the mods at cluesforum. It's too late to expect us.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5107 on: September 17, 2017, 03:47:16 PM »
Notice the damage control done by Heiwa and Rayzor after their exposure here. No amount of sliding will stop what is happening. The truth will come out.

Typo.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5108 on: September 17, 2017, 04:20:22 PM »
I really am sorry 9/11 was an inside job. You wouldn't believe how sorry about that I am guys. I've done everything I can in my power to try and rectify it. I never did any of it for peoples thanks.

I understand the truth will be messy and unpleasant for nearly everyone. The only way we can heal as a species is through the truth. Nothing else can fix what is broken except the truth, and the whole truth.

I believe that and am willing to hurt some feelings to accomplish that, no regrets. This will all be worth it in the end.

I'll come back when the MSM has accepted they have to report it. I won't brag. I'll ask all of you once again to work together as humans to make the word a better place.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5109 on: September 17, 2017, 04:37:22 PM »
Just some publicly available information.

http://ine.uaf.edu/projects/wtc7/
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A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7

Project InfoLead Researcher(s)J. Leroy HulseyProject TeamDr. Feng Xiao, Post-doctoral ResearcherZhili Quan, Ph.D. studentProject Dates

May 1, 2015 - April 30, 2018

Funding

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
Project Budget: $316,153

Presentations

Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7presentation by Dr. Leroy Hulsey on September 6, 2017 at the University of Alaska Fairbanks.

Reports

WTC7 Progress Report (September 2017)

Project Summary

This is a study of the collapse of the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC7) at 5:20 P.M. on September 11, 2001. This building was a steel-frame office building located north of Vesey Street in the World Trade Center Complex in New York City’s Financial District. The World Trade Center Complex opened on April 4, 1973, and, at the time of completion, the featured Twin Towers (WTC 1 and WTC 2) were the tallest buildings in the world. WTC 7 was later completed in 1987. Other buildings in the complex included the Marriott World Trade Center (3 WTC), 4 WTC, 5 WTC, and 6 WTC.

Consider that on the morning of September 11, 2001, two jets were flown into WTC 1 and WTC 2 in a coordinated act of terrorism. At 8:46 A.M. Eastern Time, American Airlines Flight 11 crashed into the north face of WTC 1. At 9:03 A.M., United Airlines Flight 175 crashed into the south face of WTC 2. Soon after, these two buildings collapsed, WTC 2 at 9:59 A.M. and WTC 1 at 10:28 A.M. These attacks killed 2,753 people. It is reported that falling debris produced structural damage to the remaining buildings in the World Trade Center Complex. It is also reported that falling debris from the collapse of WTC 1 caused damage to WTC 7 and that fires ignited by debris from WTC 1 burned for nearly 7 hours in the building. At 5:20 P.M., this 47-story building also collapsed.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) opened an investigation into the collapses of WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 in August 2002. NIST released its final report on WTC 7 in 2008, finding that the fires that were ignited by falling debris from WTC 1 caused the collapse of WTC 7. Independent researchers, however, have assembled evidence that has raised profound questions regarding the notion that WTC 7 collapsed because of fire.

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth provided funding to the University of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF) to evaluate if fire caused the collapse of WTC 7 and to examine what may have occurred at 5:20 P.M. on September 11, 2001. Therefore, the UAF research team evaluated the structural response due to the reported fire. A structural framing virtual model of WTC 7 was used to conduct the study. The reported failure was simulated using three-dimensional finite element computer models of the building. The research team studied the building’s response using two finite element programs, ABAQUS and SAP2000 version 18. At the micro level, three types of evaluations were performed. In plan-view, the research team evaluated: 1) the planar response of the structural elements to the fire(s) using wire elements; 2) the building’s response using the NIST’s approach with solid elements; and 3) the validity of NIST’s findings using solid elements. At the macro-level, progressive collapse, i.e., the structural system’s response to local failures, is being studied using SAP2000 with wire elements, as well as with ABAQUS, and it is near completion. The findings thus far are that fire did not bring down this building. Building failure simulations show that, to match observation, the entire inner core of this building failed nearly simultaneously.

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Fall acceleration of building 7.

This thread was over since the first post. There never was a debate. Just the debate of what we should do about it and how to go about the future. I know what it's like to go through the shock of realization. I'm sorry you're all going to go through it too. I promise you beyond the despair lies the truth.

Edit.

I myself personally and all realanons will be here to help you through this. We know how hard this is to think about and that it's even harder to accept the truth.

We promise the truth will make things better. We promise exposing 9/11 will lead to real justice and the repeal of the Orwellian anti terror laws that dominate our lives.

We'll never be far away. Myself personally and all of us. Anytime any of you need to talk I'll be available.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5110 on: September 17, 2017, 05:26:52 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 17, 2017, 04:37:22 PM
I myself personally and all realanons will be here to help you through this. We know how hard this is to think about and that it's even harder to accept the truth.

We promise the truth will make things better. We promise exposing 9/11 will lead to real justice and the repeal of the Orwellian anti terror laws that dominate our lives.

We'll never be far away. Myself personally and all of us. Anytime any of you need to talk I'll be available.

How will you feel if things don't pan out the way you're expecting? Will you allow others to help you?
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5111 on: September 17, 2017, 05:33:21 PM »
Quote from: Copper Knickers on September 17, 2017, 05:26:52 PM
Quote from: disputeone on September 17, 2017, 04:37:22 PM
I myself personally and all realanons will be here to help you through this. We know how hard this is to think about and that it's even harder to accept the truth.

We promise the truth will make things better. We promise exposing 9/11 will lead to real justice and the repeal of the Orwellian anti terror laws that dominate our lives.

We'll never be far away. Myself personally and all of us. Anytime any of you need to talk I'll be available.

How will you feel if things don't pan out the way you're expecting? Will you allow others to help you?

Of course I would welcome your help.

In the meantime perhaps you could explain how fire and minor external damage caused the simultaneous failure of all internal vertical support columns on wtc 7?
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5112 on: September 17, 2017, 05:47:43 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 17, 2017, 05:33:21 PM
Quote from: Copper Knickers on September 17, 2017, 05:26:52 PM
Quote from: disputeone on September 17, 2017, 04:37:22 PM
I myself personally and all realanons will be here to help you through this. We know how hard this is to think about and that it's even harder to accept the truth.

We promise the truth will make things better. We promise exposing 9/11 will lead to real justice and the repeal of the Orwellian anti terror laws that dominate our lives.

We'll never be far away. Myself personally and all of us. Anytime any of you need to talk I'll be available.

How will you feel if things don't pan out the way you're expecting? Will you allow others to help you?

Of course I would welcome your help.

In the meantime perhaps you could explain how fire and minor external damage caused the simultaneous failure of all internal vertical support columns on wtc 7?

What I meant was there's a good chance that Hulsey won't change anything. It's good if you're prepared for that and keep an open mind.
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« Reply #5113 on: September 17, 2017, 05:51:54 PM »
Quote from: Copper Knickers on September 17, 2017, 05:47:43 PM
What I meant was there's a good chance that Hulsey won't change anything. It's good if you're prepared for that and keep an open mind.

Hulseys report will change things because of men like myself and others that will risk everything for the truth.

I implore you to also do your own research and fight for what you believe.

Peer reviewed publicly available experiment and conclusion VS non peer reviewed and classifed experiment and conclusion.

It's not a hard choice for me.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5114 on: September 17, 2017, 06:01:25 PM »
Quote from: Heiwa on September 17, 2017, 08:35:30 AM

I forgot to mention that Niels Harriet, like me, was accused by supporters of the GWB 911 CT (Arabs, planes, etc) of being a Holocaust denier! It really upset him and that was why he sued the newspaper. I recommended to ignore these crazy people and any court of law.

Evidence? It seems a poor person/prisoner at the US Guantanamo koncentration camp has admitted everything about 911, i.e. how he & Co planned it and executed the job. Of course it was under CIA/GWB approved torture. I would also admit it under torture. You sound like a supporter of torture. Question is if a US court of law will approve such admissions.

That happens,  conspiracy theorist tend to get all put in the one box,  9/11 truthers, get lumped in with holocaust deniers and flat earthers. 

I don't think I've ever seen the results of any Guantanamo interrogations, but it's generally the case that people will say whatever they think the torturer wants to hear.  So it has dubious evidentary value.    I'd put more weight on the mountain of evidence gained directly from intelligence intercepts.   I'd put less weight on the public statements of Osama Bin Laden.  Terrorists have a long history of claiming to have done things they didn't.  That's not the situation in this case however.

I feel sorry for Disputeone, he's pinned his hopes on the false assumption that people will take any notice of Hulsey's report.   I predict he will have some frustration to deal with.


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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5115 on: September 17, 2017, 06:02:20 PM »
Notice how Rayzor and Heiwa will only engage each other after I exposed their shilling?
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« Reply #5116 on: September 17, 2017, 06:05:53 PM »
Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 06:01:25 PM
That happens,  conspiracy theorist tend to get all put in the one box,  9/11 truthers, get lumped in with holocaust deniers and flat earthers.

I already called you out for this. Honest posters see you don't have any other tricks. You can't debunk wtc 7 so you debunk the flat earth and claim it debunks wtc 7.

Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 06:01:25 PM
I feel sorry for Disputeone, he's pinned his hopes on the false assumption that people will take any notice of Hulsey's report.   I predict he will have some frustration to deal with.

We will take notice. All of us. The criminals won't arrest themselves. You and your psyop buddies will be there to say that it's fine to ignore science that we don't like.

You should be in jail.
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« Reply #5117 on: September 17, 2017, 06:24:23 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 17, 2017, 06:05:53 PM
Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 06:01:25 PM
That happens,  conspiracy theorist tend to get all put in the one box,  9/11 truthers, get lumped in with holocaust deniers and flat earthers.

I already called you out for this. Honest posters see you don't have any other tricks. You can't debunk wtc 7 so you debunk the flat earth and claim it debunks wtc 7.

I was referring to the unfair treatment Anders and his friend got in the Danish Media by being called Holocaust deniers.    Don't you ever understand what you are reading?

This reading comprehension problem of yours seems to be a recurring theme in your life.

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Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 06:01:25 PM
I feel sorry for Disputeone, he's pinned his hopes on the false assumption that people will take any notice of Hulsey's report.   I predict he will have some frustration to deal with.

We will take notice. All of us. The criminals won't arrest themselves. You and your psyop buddies will be there to say that it's fine to ignore science that we don't like.

You should be in jail.

Why do you think I should be in jail?    For that matter how do you suppose that might happen?
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« Reply #5118 on: September 17, 2017, 06:30:35 PM »
For shilling illegally against the American / Western people.

Hulseys model will be peer reviewed. We'll see the only hypothesis that fits observation for wtc 7 is a controlled demolition. The NIST team will go to jail. We then start charging the intelligence agencies for their hand in it. We remove the corrupt Israeli / Saudi influence from the US (shadow) government. We start arresting big players in the shadow goverment and intelligence agencies. Eventually the shills who illegally shilled against their own people allies and president will go to jail.

The people are finally freed from oppression and tyranny, We can start moving forward together with the truth.

I have a dream.
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« Reply #5119 on: September 17, 2017, 06:38:24 PM »
If models were 100 percent accurate research wouldn't exist. Models come before research.
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Quote from: Shifter on July 05, 2020, 09:53:30 AM
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5120 on: September 17, 2017, 06:38:29 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 17, 2017, 06:30:35 PM
For shilling illegally against the American / Western people.

Hulseys model will be peer reviewed. We'll see the only hypothesis that fits observation for wtc 7 is a controlled demolition. The NIST team will go to jail. We then start charging the intelligence agencies for their hand in it. We remove the corrupt Israeli / Saudi influence from the US (shadow) government. We start arresting big players in the shadow goverment and intelligence agencies. Eventually the shills who illegally shilled against their own people and allies will go to jail.

The people are finally freed from oppression and tyranny, We can start moving forward together with the truth.

I have a dream.

"For shilling illegally against the American / Western People" 

Ok, lets play your game,  how am I a shill,  prove it.   

Second,  what if I'm telling the truth,  where does that place you?   

Are you going to jail for falsely trying to shift the blame from the real criminals behind 9/11,  the islamic jihadists, 

Sorry to bust your little bubble,  but your "dream" is built on a psychotic fantasy.   I fear that when you discover that truth, you will psychically implode.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5121 on: September 17, 2017, 06:44:00 PM »
I can't prove your a shill. I've given enough evidence for people to make up their own mind.

You edited your post twice in a longer timeframe than is possible to avoid an edit tag. First you tried to claim this happened within the grace window for editing, when this was shown to be impossible you changed your story to that you never edited it. Even though the evidence shows otherwise and even user234 noticed. You tried to go back and edit out your free lines under your post. A lot of shills are given a bonus per line. You are most likely gaming the system for extra dollars.

You need better weapons than gaslighting, try honesty integrity and truth.

If what you are saying and have been pushing is correct then you will have no problem answering this.

""perhaps you could explain how fire and minor external damage caused the simultaneous failure of all internal vertical support columns on wtc 7?""

And maybe why we should trust NIST?

""Peer reviewed publicly available experiment and conclusion VS non peer reviewed and classifed experiment and conclusion.""

Tell us why classified experiments are more trustworthy than peer reviwed experiments.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2017, 06:45:45 PM by disputeone »
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Quote from: Crouton on July 15, 2024, 05:37:14 AM
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5122 on: September 17, 2017, 06:47:31 PM »
Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 06:38:29 PM
I fear that when you discover that truth, you will psychically implode.

This may happen to a lot of people when the truth finally comes out but all of us will be here to help you through it.
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Quote from: Crouton on July 15, 2024, 05:37:14 AM
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5123 on: September 17, 2017, 06:52:21 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 17, 2017, 06:44:00 PM
I can't prove your a shill. I've given enough evidence for people to make up their own mind.

You edited your post twice in a longer timeframe than is possible to avoid an edit tag. First you tried to claim this happened within the grace window for editing, when this was shown to be impossible you changed your story to that you never edited it. You tried to go back and edit out your free lines under your post. A lot of shills are given a bonus per line. You are most likely gaming the system for extra dollars.


That seems to have had an interesting effect on you, hasn't it.  Maybe my secret NSA toolkit includes other stuff you don't yet know about.  You must watch everything closely in future, you never know what trick I might try next.

If I was being paid per line, I'd probably make my posts longer,  maybe get into a cut and paste battle with Sandokhan,  I'd be a millionaire by now.

Seriously, do you ever take a step back and listen to yourself?

Quote from: sokarul on September 17, 2017, 06:38:24 PM
If models were 100 percent accurate research wouldn't exist. Models come before research.

Ain't that the truth.   Hulsey didn't even model the fires, or the damage,  so I think we can dismiss his AE911troofer funded report as fatally flawed from the start.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5124 on: September 17, 2017, 07:02:39 PM »
Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 06:52:21 PM
Ain't that the truth.   Hulsey didn't even model the fires, or the damage,  so I think we can dismiss his AE911troofer funded report as fatally flawed from the start.

You're wrong. The fires and damage were modelled and taken into account. They've tested what happens when the fires and damage are more intense than NIST states. They included structural components NIST deliberately left out.

Maybe you could tell us why a classified experiments conclusion is worth more than a peer reviewed experiments conclusion.

Answer honestly, if you can.
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Quote from: Crouton on July 15, 2024, 05:37:14 AM
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5125 on: September 17, 2017, 07:06:52 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 17, 2017, 07:02:39 PM
Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 06:52:21 PM
Ain't that the truth.   Hulsey didn't even model the fires, or the damage,  so I think we can dismiss his AE911troofer funded report as fatally flawed from the start.

You're wrong. The fires and damage were modelled and taken into account. They've tested what happens when the fires and damage are more intense than NIST states. They included structural components NIST deliberately left out.

Maybe you could tell us why a classified experiments conclusion is worth more than a peer reviewed experiments conclusion.

Answer honestly, if you can.

Maybe you could answer two simple questions about WTC7.

1.  Why bother demolishing a building that was already in danger of collapsing?
2.  Why wait 7 hours before demolition?   

Think carefully before you answer.   Try and make your argument based on verifiable evidence.
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Quote from: Space Cowgirl on March 01, 2018, 01:35:42 PM
Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5126 on: September 17, 2017, 07:09:34 PM »
Those questions do not debunk physics. We are quite good at prediciting mechanical processes now. Newton showed us how.

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1.  Why bother demolishing a building that was already in danger of collapsing?

Destroy evidence linking the CIA and Mossad to 9/11.

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2.  Why wait 7 hours before demolition?

Same reason it wasn't mentioned on the official commission report. Try and limit peoples knowlege of wtc 7s collapse.

Now please answer my question.

Maybe you could tell us why a classified experiments conclusion is worth more than a peer reviewed experiments conclusion.

Answer honestly, if you can.
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Quote from: Crouton on July 15, 2024, 05:37:14 AM
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5127 on: September 17, 2017, 07:19:45 PM »
Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 06:38:29 PM
Sorry to bust your little bubble,  but your "dream" is built on a psychotic fantasy.

Get a new script alphabet friends.
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Gaslighting doesn't debunk evidence. It can't hurt ideas.
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Quote from: Crouton on July 15, 2024, 05:37:14 AM
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5128 on: September 17, 2017, 07:24:41 PM »
Quote from: disputeone on September 17, 2017, 07:02:39 PM
Maybe you could tell us why a classified experiments conclusion is worth more than a peer reviewed experiments conclusion.

Well, firstly, the NIST report wasn't an experiment, it is a detailed study of the collapse of WTC7,  and since I'm pretty sure you haven't actually read it in spite of your obsession, here is a link
http://ws680.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=861610

Here is the NIST investigation team leaders.
S. Shyam Sunder, Sc.D. (NIST) Lead Investigator
Richard G. Gann, Ph.D. (NIST) Final Report Editor; Project Leader, Project 5: Reconstruction of Thermal and Tenability Environment
William L. Grosshandler, Ph.D. (NIST) Associate Lead Investigator; Project Leader, Project 4: Investigation of Active Fire Protection Systems
H.S. Lew, Ph.D., P.E. (NIST) Co-Project Leader, Project 1: Analysis of Building and Fire Codes and Practices
Richard W. Bukowski, P.E. (NIST) Co-Project Leader, Project 1: Analysis of Building and Fire Codes and Practices
Fahim Sadek, Ph.D. (NIST) Project Leader, Project 2: Baseline Structural Performance and Aircraft Impact Damage Analysis
Frank W. Gayle, Ph.D. (NIST) Project Leader, Project 3: Mechanical and Metallurgical Analysis of Structural Steel
John L. Gross, Ph.D., P.E. (NIST) Co-Project Leader, Project 6: Structural Fire Response and Collapse Analysis
Therese P. McAllister, Ph.D., P.E. (NIST) Co-Project Leader, Project 6: Structural Fire Response and Collapse Analysis
Jason D. Averill (NIST) Project Leader, Project 7: Occupant Behavior, Egress, and Emergency Communications
J. Randall Lawson (NIST) Project Leader, Project 8: Fire Service Technologies and Guidelines
Harold E. Nelson, P.E. Fire Protection Engineering Expert
Stephen A. Cauffman (NIST) Program Manager

CONTRIBUTORS TO THE INVESTIGATION OF WTC 7  NIST TECHNICAL S TAFF
Mohsen Altafi
Elisa Baker
Dilip Banarjee
Stephen Banovic
Howard Baum
Carlos Beauchamp
Dale Bentz
Charles Bouldin
Paul Brand
Lori Brassell
Kathryn Butler
Sandy Clagett
Ishmael Conteh
Matthew Covin
David Dayan
Stuart Dols
Michelle Donnelly
Dat Duthinh
David Evans
Richard Fields
Tim Foecke
Glenn Forney
William Fritz
Anthony Hamins
Dave Kelley
Erica Kuligowski
William Luecke
Joseph Main
David McColskey
Chris McCowan
Kevin McGrattan
George Mulholland
Lakeshia Murray
Joshua Novosel
Thomas Ohlemiller
Victor Ontiveros
Richard Peacock
Lisa Petersen
Long Phan
William Pitts Rochelle Plummer
Kuldeep Prasad
Natalia Ramirez
Ronald Rehm
Paul Reneke
Lonn Rodine
Schuyler Ruitberg
Jose Sanchez
Raymond Santoyo
Steven Sekellick
Michael Selepak
Thomas Siewert
Emil Simiu
Laura Sugden
Robert Vettori
Brendan Williams
Maureen Williams
Jiann Yang
Robert Zarr
Jim Harris
Steven Hill
John Hodgens
Valentine Junker Kevin Malley
Shankar Nair
J. Keith Nelson


NIST EXPERTS AND CONSULTANTS
Najib Abboud
William Baker
Gene Corley
Vincent Dunn

Contributors to the Investigation
DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND NIST INSTITUTIONAL SUPPORT
Fred Kopatich
Kenneth Lechter
Melissa Lieberman
Darren Lowe
Romena Moy
Michael E. Newman
Karen Perry
Gail Porter
Sharon Rinehart
Michael Rubin John Sanderson
Joan Smith
Jack Snell
Nancy Snyder
Ben Stein
Kelly Talbott
Michael R. Rubin
Steven Kirkpatrick
Charles Needham
Robert A. MacNeill Brian D. Peterson
Lee Ann Young
Rolf Jensen & Associates, Inc.
Ed Armm
Tom Brown Ray Grill
Duane Johnson Bob Keough
Joseph Razz
Simpson Gumpertz & Heger Inc
Ömer O. Erbay Andrew T. Sarawit Mehdi Zarghamee
Tomara Arrington
Kellie Beall
Tara Brown
Craig Burkhardt
Deborah Cramer
Gail Crum
Jane Dana
Matthew Heyman
James Hill
Nuala O’Connor Kelly
NIST C ONTRACTORS
Applied Research Associates, Inc.
Michael Anderson
Robert T. Bocchieri
Joseph Crepeau
Gilsanz Murray Steficek, LLP
Ramon Gilsanz
HeiTech Services, Inc.
Sonya D. Wilson
Koffel Associates, Inc.
William Koffel
Loizeaux Group International
Mark Loizeaux
Thornton Engineering Associates, LLC
William Thornton


COOPERATING ORGANIZATIONS
ABC
Tony Brackett
Joel Kanoff Sanja Karabegovic
Vladimir Tokarev American Express
Peter Kane Carol Schwartz AP
Brad Barkett
David Beatrice Mike Le Tourneau
Kevin O'Sullivan Sean Thompson
James Wood
Larry Mendillo
Roger Raiford James Turner
Ana Villanueva
AP
Mike LeTourneau
APTN
Fulvia Cassarino
Tom Giovan
Bernstein Associates Photographers
Neal Lehrer
CBS
Joseph Alessi
Margery Baker
Steve Bikofsky
Roy Carubia
Barbara Casey
Jessica Cooper
Hillary Dann Daniel Di Pierro
William Felling
Ann Fotiades
Laura Galli
Mary Gera
Michael Hernandez
Andrew Heyward Mark Laganga
Linda Mason
Kathy Mosolino
Tony St. Pierre
Jean Stevenson
Cheryl Williams
CNN
Kathy Christensen
Moira Danehy
Tiffany Dumas
Felicia Dunston Dina Gunderson
Eason Jordan
Bill Schneider
James Seward David Sheehan
James Tzetzo
David Vigilante
Citigroup, Inc.
James Goddard

Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP
Karen Bekker
Christopher Moore
Adam Itzkowitz
Rahul Mukhi
Thomas Moloney
Kimberly Spiering
John VanSickle
Clifford Law Offices
Timothy S. Tomasik
Con Edison
Martin Heslin
Corbis
Amy Bizjak
Ted Ciuzio
Candice Luz
Rachel Wright
FEMA
Audrey Massa
Bruce Swiren
Fire Department of the City of New York
Amy Adelman
Alexandra Fischer
John Tsanas
Flemming, Zulack, Williamson, Zauderer, LLP
Gregg Kanter
Fox News
Christopher J. Silvestri
Friedman Kaplan Seiler and Adelman
Kent Anker
G&S Technologies
Jay Spector
General Services Administration
Mary Guida
Gogick, Byrne & O’Neill, LLP
Kevin J. O’Neill
Here is New York Stephen P. Schreckinger
Paul Constantine Ruth Sergel

InvestigationContributors to the Investigation
Keegan Werlin LLP
Richard B. Kirby
Ryan T. Parsons (paralegal)
Lower Manhattan Development Corporation
Irene Chang
David Ridley
Magnum
Michael Shulman
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States
Madeline Blot
George L. Delgrosso
Sam M. W. Casperson
Daniel Marcus
NBC
Nancy Cole
James Miller
Catherine S. Taylor
Billy Ray
New York City Department of Design and Construction (DDC)
David J. Varoli
New York City Law Department
Ken Becker
Jay L. Cohen
Lawrence S. Kahn
Jessie Levine
Faye Lubinof
Gary Shaffer
New York City Police Department
Edward Alexander
Michael Healey
New York City Transit Authority
Kavita Bhatt
Veronica Hakim
Paul Fleuranges
George Miller
Katherine Winningham
Sophia Sifneos
Leonard Wiggin
The Hartford Insurance Co.
Mary Chepovsky
The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey
James Begley
Jeffrey Gertier
Saroj Bhol
Frank Lombardi
Alan Reiss
Timothy Stickelman
Robins Kaplan Miller & Ciresi
Margo Brownell
NIST NCSTAR 1-9, WTC Investigation
ixContributors to the Investigation
Schiff Harden
Beth Jacob
Siemens
John Farrington Robert Salamone
Silverstein Properties
Dara McQuillan
Steven Nathan Larry Silverstein
Walter Weems
Steven Shamash
Simpson, Thacher & Bartlett LLP
Jamie Gamble
SOM
Sharyn Fitter
Jeffrey Goldsmith
Testwell Craig
Richard Bridglal
Tribeca Towers
Chris Bricker
Brendan Farrell
Edwin Ginario
Raine Phillips
Turner Construction Company
Bernadette Forte
UHY Advisors FLVS, Inc.
Jonathan L. Newcomb
U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission
Al Basile
Ray Ferrari
Robert DeLeonardus
Richard Lee
WABC
Kenny Plotnik Hector Montalvo
Wachtel, Lipton, Rosen & Katz
Ian Botchko
Andrew Cheun Gina Iannello
Mark Wolinsky

InvestigationContributors to the Investigation
WCBS
Richard Bamberger
Jennifer Bennett
Vince Dementri
Nadine Kerr
Stephen Sanchez
Marc Smith
Erika Vasconcellos
Weidlinger Associates Inc.
Najib N. Abboud
WNBC
Daniel Forman
Burton Kravitz
Thomas O'Brien
Dennis Swanson
WNJU
Hugo Balta
Bill Mierisch Migdalia Perez
Jim Clayton
Deborah Doft Ron Magocsi
Scott Matthews Kai Simonsen
WPIX
Melinda Murphy
Edith Rivera Ray Rivera
Karen Scott Chet Wilson
W.R. Grace
Robert J. Bettacchi Michael B. Cohan Mark A. Shmorhun
WNYW
Zetlin & DeChiara
David Abramovitz

OTHER CONTRIBUTORS
Noah Bast
Douglas Campbell
Michael Chan
Nicolas Cianca
William Cirone
Jay Comella
Michael Davis
Frank Didik
Alexandra Fisher
David Fitzpatrick
Kevin Flynn
Erik Freeland
Archie Galarza
James Glanz
Jack Glass
Michael Heller
Valerie Hodgson
Shawn Hutchinson

Keith V. Johnson
Lance Karp
Steve Mayer
Steve McCurry
Susan Meiselas
Jeroen Morrien
Jennifer Olsen
Richard Peskin
Roberto Rabanne
Courtenay Redis
Tracey Reilly
Mark Roddenberry
Marcel Saba
Terry Schmidt
Jim Scott
Greg Semendinger
Shepard Sherbell
Bruce Shiller
Scott Sleeper
Steve Spak
Amanda Steinberger
Virginia Stewart
Robert Stolarik
Allan Tannenbaum
Walter Taylor
Chris Thaler
Courtney Thaler
Tim Tobiasen
Mark Walsh
Cynthia Weil
Abe Weinberg
Charles Wisniewski
Aman Zafar
Paul Zucker

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Here is the University of Alaska team
Leon Hulsey Professor, Ph.D., P. E., S.E., Civil Engineering
Dr. Feng Xiao, Post-doctoral Researcher
Zhili Quan, Ph.D. student

I should note that none of Hulsey's "team" were full time. 

Secondly,  the NIST report wasn't classified,  never has been,  and quite the reverse, public hearings were held to discuss the reports findings.
Leon Hulsey's work is being funded by AE911troofers,  draw your own conclusions.

Yeah,  my money is on NIST.


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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #5129 on: September 17, 2017, 07:29:08 PM »
Quote from: Rayzor on September 17, 2017, 06:52:21 PM

If I was being paid per line, I'd probably make my posts longer,  maybe get into a cut and paste battle.

Lol.

Why is a classified, non peer reviewed studies conclusion worth more than a peer reviewed open studies conclusion.

Answer honestly, if you can.
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Quote from: Crouton on July 15, 2024, 05:37:14 AM
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.
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