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What is the truth about the 911 attack on the World Trade Center?

Hijacked Planes were flown into the two towers.  Resulting fires caused the collapse.
14 (60.9%)
The planes were CGI and it was controlled demolition
2 (8.7%)
Something other than planes were flown into the twin towers,  missiles drones etc.
2 (8.7%)
The planes were holographic projections from a special satellite, and it was a directed energy weapon
1 (4.3%)
Something else.
3 (13%)
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1 (4.3%)

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Voting closed: March 06, 2017, 10:56:40 PM

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Rayzor

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3090 on: March 29, 2017, 05:36:40 PM »
What do I win?

You didn't actually get the sequence right.   The translation I came up with was as follows

He typed "cross sected" several times  when he meant to type "cross sectioned"  but actually meant "cross braced"    At this point I roll my eyes and walk away.

Of course that might all be wrong,  who can tell?

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3091 on: March 29, 2017, 05:39:38 PM »
Well Bhs makes perfect sense if you have some structural knowlege.

The structure you describe is what I would have expected from a basic modern designed high rise at WTC7. This is also why it is strange to me. The simulated collapse looks like a completely un-braced domino structure building.

You are the only one who didn't get it by the looks.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3092 on: March 29, 2017, 05:42:37 PM »
We're happy to dumb it down for you, just quit it with the personal attacks please.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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« Reply #3093 on: March 29, 2017, 05:44:46 PM »
You are the only one who didn't get it by the looks.

Wolf was being polite, just as I was for a long time,  I stopped being polite a while back when he started his personal attacks. 

He just keeps doing his word salad incoherent answers,  it's a red flag to anyone who knows what to look for.



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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3094 on: March 29, 2017, 05:46:25 PM »
Please don't speak for others.

You have no right to tell us anyone elses opinions. It is incredibly dishonest.

Do you want to debate or do you want to just keep throwing shit?

We would all appreciate it if you threw shit somewhere else.

We're happy to dumb it down for you, just quit it with the personal attacks please.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3095 on: March 29, 2017, 05:47:13 PM »
You are the only one who didn't get it by the looks.

Wolf was being polite, just as I was for a long time,  I stopped being polite a while back when he started his personal attacks. 

He just keeps doing his word salad incoherent answers,  it's a red flag to anyone who knows what to look for.

Such a useless penguin and I don't mean the bird...

Prove something....If not GTFO....
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« Reply #3096 on: March 29, 2017, 05:51:12 PM »
You are the only one who didn't get it by the looks.

Wolf was being polite, just as I was for a long time,  I stopped being polite a while back when he started his personal attacks. 

He just keeps doing his word salad incoherent answers,  it's a red flag to anyone who knows what to look for.

Such a useless penguin and I don't mean the bird...

Prove something....If not GTFO....

You mean prove you aren't what you claim to be,  I think I just did.

BTW what is "15 times the density"  in relation to box columns,  I couldn't figure that one out. 

Also did we get the translation of "cross sected"   right?  You meant to type "cross sectioned"  but actually meant "cross braced"   

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3097 on: March 29, 2017, 05:53:16 PM »
Things gain density under compression.

This isn't hardcore engineering Rayzor, first year stuff.

We're happy to dumb it down for you, just quit it with the personal attacks please.
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3098 on: March 29, 2017, 05:55:53 PM »
Things gain density under compression.

This isn't hardcore engineering Rayzor, first year stuff.

Nope,  that doesn't make sense.   I did high pressure research for a time,  I know about compressibility of steel.  Can you calculate what pressure you'd need to increase the density of steel by 15 times?   Dumbass.
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3099 on: March 29, 2017, 06:01:55 PM »
You mean prove you aren't what you claim to be,  I think I just did.

BTW what is "15 times the density"  in relation to box columns,  I couldn't figure that one out. 

Also did we get the translation of "cross sected"   right?  You meant to type "cross sectioned"  but actually meant "cross braced"

I typed what I wanted and it wasn't directed towards you nor do I care to explain.

You need more than 2 IQ digits to enter the discussion...Sorry..
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3100 on: March 29, 2017, 06:02:09 PM »
You are still hysterical Rayzor, I will continue this later.

"The density, or more precisely, the volumetric mass density, of a substance is its mass per unit volume. The symbol most often used for density is ρ (the lower case Greek letter rho), although the Latin letter D can also be used."

https://www.aggregateresearch.com/news/understanding-the-density-of-concrete/

Was he speaking about individual steel beams I thought he was talking about the entire structure.

We'll continue this when you calm down.

We are all sick of the personal attacks Rayzor, please stop with the personal attacks and try to debate.

Otherwise let it go, why are you still posting here if you just want to throw shit.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3101 on: March 29, 2017, 06:08:00 PM »
You mean prove you aren't what you claim to be,  I think I just did.

BTW what is "15 times the density"  in relation to box columns,  I couldn't figure that one out. 

Also did we get the translation of "cross sected"   right?  You meant to type "cross sectioned"  but actually meant "cross braced"

I typed what I wanted and it wasn't directed towards you nor do I care to explain.

You need more than 2 IQ digits to enter the discussion...Sorry..

You can't explain because "15 times the density"  makes no sense,   go back to your wheelhouse designing experiments  proving gravity doesn't exist. 

@dipstick  here's a clue,   what do you think the density and pressure of the iron at the center of the earth is?    Hint,  it's nowhere near 15 times the density.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3102 on: March 29, 2017, 06:11:58 PM »
We are all sick of the personal attacks Rayzor, please stop with the personal attacks and try to debate.

After the last round of personal attacks by Babybullshit,  I told him I'd respond in kind.   By my reckoning it's long past time that this know nothing blowhard was called to account.

I do appreciate that he like to defend the dumb and helpless crazies,  that's a point in his favour,  but give him time, he'll wake up that some are way beyond being defended.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3103 on: March 29, 2017, 06:14:57 PM »
He was standing up for a mate.

I can understand why it seems so alien to you.

Please stop calling people crazy, it is inappropriate and no one enjoys reading it. Taking words and phrases out of context is dishonest.

Thanks.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3104 on: March 29, 2017, 06:19:19 PM »
Quote from: Bhs
They went to boxed I beams for the columns, was about 15 times the density of the upper core,

I see it now.

The lower column had 15x the mass per area of the upper column.

Simples.

"The density, or more precisely, the volumetric mass density, of a substance is its mass per unit volume. The symbol most often used for density is ρ (the lower case Greek letter rho), although the Latin letter D can also be used.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3105 on: March 29, 2017, 06:40:31 PM »
Quote from: Bhs
They went to boxed I beams for the columns, was about 15 times the density of the upper core,

I see it now.

The lower column had 15x the mass per area of the upper column.

Simples.

"The density, or more precisely, the volumetric mass density, of a substance is its mass per unit volume. The symbol most often used for density is ρ (the lower case Greek letter rho), although the Latin letter D can also be used.

You are wrong,  and what's worse your just guessing.   Which is what everyone ends up doing when Babybullshit tries to pretend he knows what he's talking about.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3106 on: March 29, 2017, 06:47:01 PM »
Please stop twisting peoples words.

It was very simple, took me all of fifteen seconds to know what he meant.

I don't see your issue. It follows logically the lower core structure would be far denser (have more mass per unit volume) than the upper core structure.

Do you dispute this?

Edit for semantics.
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3107 on: March 29, 2017, 06:48:07 PM »
I am not in the fucking mood dumb ass. Been dealing with Storm damage at the shop all damn day.

Its a quick way to say more lying sack of shit...More mass, more strength etc etc.. I knew who I was talking to and it wasn't you. We communicated just fine..

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3108 on: March 29, 2017, 07:40:47 PM »
Please stop twisting peoples words.

It was very simple, took me all of fifteen seconds to know what he meant.

I don't see your issue. It follows logically the lower core structure would be far denser (have more mass per area) than the upper core structure.

Do you dispute this?

Density is mass per unit volume not area,  but why I should bother teaching you high school physics?    I highlighted it in red and you still missed it. 

Anyway,  15 times more dense doesn't make sense on any level,  so he must have meant something other than density,  but what that actually was, nobody knows.

We have a person who claims to have a PhD in engineering.  But doesn't know the difference between cross section and cross bracing,   and a conspiracy nutter who doesn't know area from volume,  but then again this is the same idiot who thought that a line had two dimensions, so I guess that misunderstanding extends to where he thinks areas have three dimensions.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3109 on: March 29, 2017, 07:44:53 PM »
Please stop gaslighting people, it is inappropriate and unnecessary.

Please stop the ad hominems, it contributes nothing to the debate.

Read MaNaeSWolf's posts and try to debate like he does, without the personal attacks.

Thanks.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3110 on: March 29, 2017, 08:27:16 PM »
Please stop twisting peoples words.

It was very simple, took me all of fifteen seconds to know what he meant.

I don't see your issue. It follows logically the lower core structure would be far denser (have more mass per area) than the upper core structure.

Do you dispute this?

Density is mass per unit volume not area,  but why I should bother teaching you high school physics?    I highlighted it in red and you still missed it. 

Volume is the number of cubic units that make up a solid figure.

Volume.
The amount of space that a substance or object occupies, or that is enclosed within a container.
"the sewer could not cope with the volume of rainwater"

What would you call mass per space occupied?

I'd call it density.

What is more dense; a tilt up concete panel or a wall of maxi bricks?

The concrete tilt up is far denser.
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Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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« Reply #3111 on: March 29, 2017, 08:37:04 PM »
Please stop twisting peoples words.

It was very simple, took me all of fifteen seconds to know what he meant.

I don't see your issue. It follows logically the lower core structure would be far denser (have more mass per area) than the upper core structure.

Do you dispute this?

Density is mass per unit volume not area,  but why I should bother teaching you high school physics?    I highlighted it in red and you still missed it. 

Volume is the number of cubic units that make up a solid figure.

Volume.
The amount of space that a substance or object occupies, or that is enclosed within a container.
"the sewer could not cope with the volume of rainwater"

What would you call mass per space occupied?

I'd call it density.

What is more dense; a tilt up concete panel or a wall of maxi bricks?

The concrete tilt up is far denser.

Correct,   well done.   There may be hope for you yet,  good to see you found that dictionary again.  Maybe you won't keep making those dumb mistakes.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3112 on: March 29, 2017, 08:43:04 PM »
But it was you that made the mistake.

The bottom of the column was indeed far denser than the top.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3113 on: March 29, 2017, 10:38:16 PM »
But it was you that made the mistake.

The bottom of the column was indeed far denser than the top.

Huh?   there's that reality disconnect back again,  it was you who confused area with volume,  and where did you get this weird idea that the bottom of the column is more dense than the top? 

He wasn't talking about density at all, as per usual,  he got all muddled up.    He was talking about overall strength of the structure, didn't you get that?   I think you have lost the plot again,   



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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3114 on: March 29, 2017, 10:41:54 PM »
Please stop calling me crazy.

Do you think strength would be proportionate to mass per volume?
Goes back to my maxi brick wall vs a concrete tilt up. The concrete tilt up is far more dense and much stronger.

Gaslighting people is a very poor debate tactic indeed, you are acting very poorly.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3115 on: March 29, 2017, 10:52:53 PM »
Please stop calling me crazy.

Do you think strength would be proportionate to mass per volume?
Goes back to my maxi brick wall vs a concrete tilt up. The concrete tilt up is far more dense and much stronger.

Gaslighting people is a very poor debate tactic indeed, you are acting very poorly.

Just try a bit harder in future to understand what people post,  read a bit more carefully,   for a while it was funny watching you misreading and misunderstanding simple things,  but it's gotten old, and annoying in the extreme,  so it's back to the ignore bin for you...   

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3116 on: March 29, 2017, 10:54:48 PM »
Can you please answer the question?

Ignoring someone because you can't answer their questions is really weak.

Do you think strength would be proportionate to mass per volume?
Goes back to my maxi brick wall vs a concrete tilt up. The concrete tilt up is far more dense and much stronger.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3117 on: March 29, 2017, 10:59:24 PM »
Please stop calling me crazy.

Do you think strength would be proportionate to mass per volume?
Goes back to my maxi brick wall vs a concrete tilt up. The concrete tilt up is far more dense and much stronger.

Gaslighting people is a very poor debate tactic indeed, you are acting very poorly.

Still calling people crazy I see.... I would expect nothing more from such a small inferior little man.

I give it to you, in the attempts to be nice...When I lost the humanity for him I was out..That shit was too far.

I was talking about density...That was one part...The metal is thicker, bigger, Simply more of it, then add the cross sectioned supports, then the box frame etc etc...Simply more shit than up top I could keep going but don't care to. Speaking for it in terms of density was a nice easy round word that took care of many variables..

I was speaking to an architect... We had zero issue communicating...It was pleasant, a nice change.

He knew how I was rounding...He made comments as well that were "improper" by text book, but just fine in the field..I knew 100 percent what he was saying. People use slang individually different, then you add in different counties.

No one gives a shit when you are working, we aren't there to impress each other with words...We are there to get shit done. If everyone used the entire phrase for every single thing, we would get nothing done, spend all day flapping our gums.

I have used abbreviations here as well, no one knows what the fuck those are, at least here. That is the main way I communicate, especially in the M.E. side..So I have tried to use more neutral languages for dipshits like yourself.

It's cool...You will keep splitting hairs on everything possible you can..It's your game and all you have...Small is what small does
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Re: 911 What is the truth?
« Reply #3118 on: March 29, 2017, 11:04:35 PM »
Quality of thread is dropping fast.

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« Reply #3119 on: March 29, 2017, 11:05:26 PM »
Also check it out.

www.mech.eng.cam.ac.uk

Even in semantics I think I am correct.

Density increases strength.

It is strange me and Wolf knew exactly what Bhs was talking about.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.