Air Pressure vs Gravity

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 10:25:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 07:50:09 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 06:52:54 AM

But without atmosphere in the chamber there is nothing to offer resistance.  That's why the feather doesn't flutter.  Is your only response then that it must be a fake because it doesn't fit your opinion?

I've just explained in my post, earlier.

I'm just not following you.  Are you saying that the few remaining air molecules have expanded to fill the space ?  With virtually no air in the chamber, why do the objects fall at all?  No pressure left to push them down.

Virtually no air?
There's plenty of air in the chamber, it's just more expanded.
It's just a lower pressure that's all.

Quote from: Mainframes on January 08, 2017, 09:40:51 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 07:50:09 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 06:52:54 AM

But without atmosphere in the chamber there is nothing to offer resistance.  That's why the feather doesn't flutter.  Is your only response then that it must be a fake because it doesn't fit your opinion?

I've just explained in my post, earlier.

No you haven't explained you just made up crap.

The chamber is in a state of vacuum and therefore no air pressure or resistance will affect the falling objects.

LITTLE resistance affects the objects. Get this bit correct because if you don't get this bit correct, it means you believe a true vacuum can be made, which means the absence of ALL matter and that would mean there would be an absence of ALL matter, meaning there would be nothing at all happening, as there would not be anything that exists.
Do you understand?

Nothing can strike the dome.

You only get dome hydricals and helicals and nitricals, etc.
They're what you would view as meteors and comets and what not.
They're the dome fallers that you see in friction burn ups in the sky.

Quote from: TheRealBillNye on January 08, 2017, 09:55:15 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 09:53:02 AM

Show me your set up and we can get going. I'm sure you want to try out some stuff, right?

You said you had "several experiements" requiring "very little equipment"

I would hardly call the evacuation chamber you are describing "very little equipment"

Do you have another experiment that ALL of us are able to do ourselves?

You disappoint me Bill. The equipment you must have and you're backing out.
Show me that you can think for yourself, Bill.

Virtually no air?
There's plenty of air in the chamber, it's just more expanded.
It's just a lower pressure that's all.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 10:43:40 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 10:25:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 07:50:09 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 06:52:54 AM

But without atmosphere in the chamber there is nothing to offer resistance.  That's why the feather doesn't flutter.  Is your only response then that it must be a fake because it doesn't fit your opinion?

I've just explained in my post, earlier.

I'm just not following you.  Are you saying that the few remaining air molecules have expanded to fill the space ?  With virtually no air in the chamber, why do the objects fall at all?  No pressure left to push them down.

Virtually no air?
There's plenty of air in the chamber, it's just more expanded.
It's just a lower pressure that's all.

Meanwhile... the rate of fall of an object is not related to the pressure of the air surrounding it otherwise a bag of sugar would weigh a different amount each day.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 09:50:24 AM

Quote from: Mainframes on January 08, 2017, 09:40:51 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 07:50:09 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 06:52:54 AM

But without atmosphere in the chamber there is nothing to offer resistance.  That's why the feather doesn't flutter.  Is your only response then that it must be a fake because it doesn't fit your opinion?

I've just explained in my post, earlier.

No you haven't explained you just made up crap.

The chamber is in a state of vacuum and therefore no air pressure or resistance will affect the falling objects.

LITTLE resistance affects the objects. Get this bit correct because if you don't get this bit correct, it means you believe a true vacuum can be made, which means the absence of ALL matter and that would mean there would be an absence of ALL matter, meaning there would be nothing at all happening, as there would not be anything that exists.
Do you understand?

Cute. The vacuum generated in a vacuum chamber is very good but not a true vacuum. It is also possible to have solid objects within a vacuum.

Then why did you use an analogy involving a foolish man who cannot see a sliding glass door (much like a bad 90s sitcom) to illustrate the fact that "Nothing can strike the dome"

Icicles made of hydrogen, helium, and nitrogen would not explain fragments of meteorites that have been found all over the world.
Oh, right. Those are ALL fakes, according to nobody except you.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 09:58:34 AM

Quote from: TheRealBillNye on January 08, 2017, 09:55:15 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 09:53:02 AM

Show me your set up and we can get going. I'm sure you want to try out some stuff, right?

You said you had "several experiements" requiring "very little equipment"

I would hardly call the evacuation chamber you are describing "very little equipment"

Do you have another experiment that ALL of us are able to do ourselves?

You disappoint me Bill. The equipment you must have and you're backing out.
Show me that you can think for yourself, Bill.

If you think I'm actually Bill Nye, then you are a bigger fool than I took you for. Congratulations, you just lowered the bar even further.

If you were a true Zeteticist, you would be able to describe an experiment that could verify your thinking that any normal man would be able to perform. You sir are a charlatan and a fraud.

Quote from: TheRealBillNye on January 08, 2017, 01:37:40 PM

If you were a true Zeteticist, you would be able to describe an experiment that could verify your thinking that any normal man would be able to perform. You sir are a charlatan and a fraud.

A fraud for what?
I'm not the one that's telling the world to follow lies after lies that are supposedly backed up by experimentation that cannot be shown due to secrecy or simply cannot be explained as to what they are.

I merely question and have my own theories which I'm comfortable with in my own mind as to how much of a better theory they are compared to the many Earth theories told by mainstream so called scientists.
You cannot prove anything and you are Bill Nye who's supposed to be a skinny genius.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 02:27:46 PM

Quote from: TheRealBillNye on January 08, 2017, 01:37:40 PM

If you were a true Zeteticist, you would be able to describe an experiment that could verify your thinking that any normal man would be able to perform. You sir are a charlatan and a fraud.

A fraud for what?
I'm not the one that's telling the world to follow lies after lies that are supposedly backed up by experimentation that cannot be shown due to secrecy or simply cannot be explained as to what they are.

I merely question and have my own theories which I'm comfortable with in my own mind as to how much of a better theory they are compared to the many Earth theories told by mainstream so called scientists.
You cannot prove anything and you are Bill Nye who's supposed to be a skinny genius.

I think you may be mistaking things that cannot be explained for things that you are too stupid too understand. The fact that you can't or won't even grasp the most basic concept such as inertia is telling.

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 10:25:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 07:50:09 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 06:52:54 AM

But without atmosphere in the chamber there is nothing to offer resistance.  That's why the feather doesn't flutter.  Is your only response then that it must be a fake because it doesn't fit your opinion?

I've just explained in my post, earlier.

I'm just not following you.  Are you saying that the few remaining air molecules have expanded to fill the space ?  With virtually no air in the chamber, why do the objects fall at all?  No pressure left to push them down.

Virtually no air?
There's plenty of air in the chamber, it's just more expanded.
It's just a lower pressure that's all.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 10:43:40 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 10:25:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 07:50:09 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 06:52:54 AM

But without atmosphere in the chamber there is nothing to offer resistance.  That's why the feather doesn't flutter.  Is your only response then that it must be a fake because it doesn't fit your opinion?

I've just explained in my post, earlier.

I'm just not following you.  Are you saying that the few remaining air molecules have expanded to fill the space ?  With virtually no air in the chamber, why do the objects fall at all?  No pressure left to push them down.

Virtually no air?
There's plenty of air in the chamber, it's just more expanded.
It's just a lower pressure that's all.

I suppose plenty is a relative term.  Plenty for what?  It is a much lower pressure, approaching zero.  So what makes the bowling ball drop?

Quote from: Boots on January 08, 2017, 02:28:09 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 02:23:39 AM

Quote from: Boots on January 08, 2017, 02:20:40 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 01:57:16 AM

Quote from: Boots on January 08, 2017, 01:50:54 AM

Why does water run downhill?

Because it was squeezed UP by atmospheric pressure upon expansion of the liquid. Once the expansion has squeezed back together due to force of number after the suns energy has waned, then the water is squeezed back down to the ground.

Why does the atmospheric pressure squeeze the water up upon expansion of the liquid then squeeze the water back down to the ground after the suns energy has waned?

Yes, but why does this happen?

How does what happen?

Ahh ok.
You've watched a kettle boil, right?
You know what happens.
That boiling water is expansion of molecules being pushed up and out of the kettle by the atmospheric pressure pushing down on the water from above as the element creates low pressure pockets at the bottom.
This then pushes out the expanded molecules which are squeezed up by the more dense (amount) of atmospheric molecules, until they become a part of the equally expanded molecules higher up.
They then push into each other which compresses them into each other  and cannot be pushed up any more due to the fact that they no longer expand but condense by mass compression and are pushed through the dense atmosphere which squeezes again and again and again until we feel it as rain or as in mountains...a water fall.

Why does pressure behave the way it does? Why?

Quote from: Boots on January 08, 2017, 03:59:35 PM

Why does pressure behave the way it does? Why?

Because it's stacked.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 04:16:25 PM

Quote from: Boots on January 08, 2017, 03:59:35 PM

Why does pressure behave the way it does? Why?

Because it's stacked.

But what want to know is why it stacks. And why would stacking bring about that result anyway?

And inertia has already been explained to you. Not that you can read this since you blocked me because I destroyed you so many times.

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 03:26:16 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 10:43:40 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 10:25:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 07:50:09 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 06:52:54 AM

But without atmosphere in the chamber there is nothing to offer resistance.  That's why the feather doesn't flutter.  Is your only response then that it must be a fake because it doesn't fit your opinion?

I've just explained in my post, earlier.

I'm just not following you.  Are you saying that the few remaining air molecules have expanded to fill the space ?  With virtually no air in the chamber, why do the objects fall at all?  No pressure left to push them down.

Virtually no air?
There's plenty of air in the chamber, it's just more expanded.
It's just a lower pressure that's all.

I suppose plenty is a relative term.  Plenty for what?  It is a much lower pressure, approaching zero.  So what makes the bowling ball drop?

The release bolt on the crane beam, I suppose.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 03:30:31 PM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 03:26:16 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 10:43:40 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 10:25:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 07:50:09 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 06:52:54 AM

But without atmosphere in the chamber there is nothing to offer resistance.  That's why the feather doesn't flutter.  Is your only response then that it must be a fake because it doesn't fit your opinion?

I've just explained in my post, earlier.

I'm just not following you.  Are you saying that the few remaining air molecules have expanded to fill the space ?  With virtually no air in the chamber, why do the objects fall at all?  No pressure left to push them down.

Virtually no air?
There's plenty of air in the chamber, it's just more expanded.
It's just a lower pressure that's all.

I suppose plenty is a relative term.  Plenty for what?  It is a much lower pressure, approaching zero.  So what makes the bowling ball drop?

The release bolt on the crane beam, I suppose.

No, that simply releases it.  With nearly no pressure in the room, what pulls the bowling ball, or pushes it, to the ground?

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 04:27:02 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 03:30:31 PM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 03:26:16 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 10:43:40 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 10:25:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 07:50:09 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 06:52:54 AM

But without atmosphere in the chamber there is nothing to offer resistance.  That's why the feather doesn't flutter.  Is your only response then that it must be a fake because it doesn't fit your opinion?

I've just explained in my post, earlier.

I'm just not following you.  Are you saying that the few remaining air molecules have expanded to fill the space ?  With virtually no air in the chamber, why do the objects fall at all?  No pressure left to push them down.

Virtually no air?
There's plenty of air in the chamber, it's just more expanded.
It's just a lower pressure that's all.

I suppose plenty is a relative term.  Plenty for what?  It is a much lower pressure, approaching zero.  So what makes the bowling ball drop?

The release bolt on the crane beam, I suppose.

No, that simply releases it.  With nearly no pressure in the room, what pulls the bowling ball, or pushes it, to the ground?

Its own displacement of atmosphere with much less resistance.
Don't pretend a near vacuum in that big numb NASA building with it's shaky pipes. 

A fraud for what?

Don't pretend a near vacuum in that big numb NASA building with it's shaky pipes. 

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 04:40:38 PM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 04:27:02 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 03:30:31 PM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 03:26:16 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 10:43:40 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 10:25:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 07:50:09 AM

Quote from: Badxtoss on January 08, 2017, 06:52:54 AM

But without atmosphere in the chamber there is nothing to offer resistance.  That's why the feather doesn't flutter.  Is your only response then that it must be a fake because it doesn't fit your opinion?

I've just explained in my post, earlier.

I'm just not following you.  Are you saying that the few remaining air molecules have expanded to fill the space ?  With virtually no air in the chamber, why do the objects fall at all?  No pressure left to push them down.

Virtually no air?
There's plenty of air in the chamber, it's just more expanded.
It's just a lower pressure that's all.

I suppose plenty is a relative term.  Plenty for what?  It is a much lower pressure, approaching zero.  So what makes the bowling ball drop?

The release bolt on the crane beam, I suppose.

No, that simply releases it.  With nearly no pressure in the room, what pulls the bowling ball, or pushes it, to the ground?

Its own displacement of atmosphere with much less resistance.
Don't pretend a near vacuum in that big numb NASA building with it's shaky pipes. 

Pretty close.  But why does it displace it downward?

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 04:40:38 PM

Don't pretend a near vacuum in that big numb NASA building with it's shaky pipes. 

The barometer reads close to zero, just like in every single proper evacuation chamber. Stop being so intentionally obtuse!

Quote from: TheRealBillNye on January 08, 2017, 08:58:13 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 04:40:38 PM

Don't pretend a near vacuum in that big numb NASA building with it's shaky pipes. 

The barometer reads close to zero, just like in every single proper evacuation chamber. Stop being so intentionally obtuse!

What do you think that means?

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 09, 2017, 12:00:00 AM

Quote from: TheRealBillNye on January 08, 2017, 08:58:13 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 08, 2017, 04:40:38 PM

Don't pretend a near vacuum in that big numb NASA building with it's shaky pipes. 

The barometer reads close to zero, just like in every single proper evacuation chamber. Stop being so intentionally obtuse!

What do you think that means?

It all means that you are unable, unwilling or possibly not smart enough to accept the truth. Possibly the mental condition you appear to be suffering from predisposes you to believe in fairy stories, monsters under the bed and other conspiracy imagineerings, thus preventing you from accepting the truth.