Air Pressure vs Gravity

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #660 on: January 08, 2017, 04:12:10 AM »
Again, look up the answers you want and then discuss them here.  It seems you just need conversation.
It's a good job I'm not reliant on you for conversation.
However, once I can find answers or get them, I'll be sure to let them be known.
The issue is, I haven't got any legitimate answers for what I asked for.
You are better looking for eg. the definition of inertia on a professional science site than discussing with random people here.  Why not contact your local university?
How about guessing what a local university will say? How about guessing what a so called professional science site would say?

I'll tell you. They will say the same thing as you people. Basically they will tell me that inertia is a property of something.
They will say it's a word used to describe the change in motion of an object.
They will then give me videos that explain nothing and they will call me a psychopath for not accepting their answers.

Do you agree or disagree with what I've just said?

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« Reply #661 on: January 08, 2017, 05:52:35 AM »
There has to be a reason for inertia.
There has to be a reason for the tendency to resist change, so what is that tendency to resists change.

Ok, as before I could try and explain it as objects having mass, but I'll admit that the definitions of mass and inertia are pretty much intertwined so that's not a very satisfactory explanation.

So for me, I'll say I don't know why things have inertia. Particle physicists probably have lots of ideas but I don't know much about particle physics.

Regardless, it is something that is observed.

I understand that you claim that you have a model which explains why things resist change in velocity and that mainstream science doesn't. But that doesn't make your model correct. In order to properly assess your model you really need to come up with some ways it predicts stuff that can then be tested out. (In my opinion.)
Fantastic answers. I totally agree with everything you say.

You see, the crux of the matter is, it's about questioning the indoctrinated so called belief's that were bestowed upon us and asking for legitimate answers to what those belief's are and why they become what they are.
The answers are far from satisfactory in many instances in mainstream so called science.
I'm sure you agree with this, judging by this response.

My theory gives me no right to stand on a podium declaring a truth but it does give me a right to keep exploring in that direction.
I have many experiments that people can do, with very little equipment.
The moist expensive is a decent evacuation chamber or basically a bell jar that has the ability to  near freeze a liquid (water).

It has to be big enough to fit in various items, the biggest of the items being a mechanical scale, like a small mechanical kitchen scale.

Once someone has this and can follow instructions to the letter, then we can see some progress  (or not) as to what's what with this Earth and it's ability to do certain things in reality as opposed to what's merely just been said or blatantly and dishonestly mocked up, like the myth-busters did and a certain  kid did on here.

So the top and bottom of it all is simple. If people are genuinely interested in questioning the indoctrinated so called science and want the truth or at least a potential for a truth.

Weirdly though, nobody has come forward to legitimately do any experiments to prove me wrong.
I can only see the reasons for not doing it as being one or two.

1. The experiments will go against their grain and also the official line.

2.Nobody is really interested in following anything because they're here for a joke or to simply just argue against alternative thinkers to the official lines.
Perhaps I'm mistaken but doesn't the experiment demonstrated at this link fit the bill?
http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum/

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #662 on: January 08, 2017, 05:54:33 AM »

Perhaps I'm mistaken but doesn't the experiment demonstrated at this link fit the bill?
http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum/
How about explaining what's happening that verifies inertia and/or gravity, or whatever you think it represents.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #663 on: January 08, 2017, 06:03:17 AM »

Perhaps I'm mistaken but doesn't the experiment demonstrated at this link fit the bill?
http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum/
How about explaining what's happening that verifies inertia and/or gravity, or whatever you think it represents.
The objects are in a near vacuum, so air pressure is not affecting them.  When released they fall, in a very predictable manner, to the ground.  Some form of force is required to create movement.  In this case I believe the force is gravity, pulling the objects towards the ground.  We know air pressure has nothing to do with it, no stacking etc.
Now you tell me what you think happened there?
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #664 on: January 08, 2017, 06:08:39 AM »

Perhaps I'm mistaken but doesn't the experiment demonstrated at this link fit the bill?
http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum/
How about explaining what's happening that verifies inertia and/or gravity, or whatever you think it represents.

The fact that in a vacuum objects will accelerate at exactly the same rate no matter what size shape or density they are. This fits exactly with theory of gravitation and destroys denpressure.
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #665 on: January 08, 2017, 06:48:28 AM »

Perhaps I'm mistaken but doesn't the experiment demonstrated at this link fit the bill?
http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum/
How about explaining what's happening that verifies inertia and/or gravity, or whatever you think it represents.
The objects are in a near vacuum, so air pressure is not affecting them.  When released they fall, in a very predictable manner, to the ground.  Some form of force is required to create movement.  In this case I believe the force is gravity, pulling the objects towards the ground.  We know air pressure has nothing to do with it, no stacking etc.
Now you tell me what you think happened there?
That experiment is a con job  and it's plain to see it is.
I can't really give any genuine answer to that video other than to simply say it's clear and utter bullshit designed to skew people's thoughts who argue against gravity and what not.


However, let's imagine that to be a real evacuation chamber that does evacuate a mammoth amount of atmospheric pressure.
The bowling ball and the feather would still fall at different rates. I'm talking about a real feather and not the bullshit one's that are used in that laughable video.

Either way you look at it, that bowling ball starts off under atmospheric sea level conditions, or thereabouts.
It then has to be lifted up by using energy of a crane.
It's still displacing atmosphere as it is lifted up and is still displacing atmosphere as the container is under evacuation of pressure.
It still pushes through the remaining atmosphere that is left, which is much less friction acting against it's push down which will actually make it move quicker but would hardly be noticeable to the human eye.
However, a real feather would fall faster due to it not hitting anywhere near the resistance as it's pushed/squeezed down.

In that crap video you see the feathers not flutter at all. The reason for this is because the video is a scam to make it look like a vacuum is the reason.
The truth is there would be fluttering to be seen all the way down, not just on the very first second of the drop.
Understand what it takes to evacuate a chamber and you'll understand that the near supposed vacuum in this one is ridiculous.

Remember that air isn't pumped out, it's allowed out with the pumps main objective as being a force against atmosphere GETTING in. The pump pushes atmosphere away from the container to allow the container to decompress by molecular expansion, alone.

The video is a scam.
The faces on the bozo's monitoring it tells its own story, along with face for TV, housewives choice, rock start come professor of all Earth sciences that are impossible to verify...Brian Cox.

The old, " wow, look at them, they stayed together."
What? Have they never thought to test this out and require a similar set up to a fake rocket launch consisting of all kinds of computers and jargon in order to drop a frigging ball and feather?

There would be a shit load more experiments done at any one time if this thing was any use in any extreme so called vacuum like environment, as we are told.

There's no proof for gravity or inertia. They simply do not exist and this is the best they can come up with to try and convince the masses.
It works for the masses but not for those who can see past the utter bullshit and is the reason why all kinds of ways and means are being tried to try and keep the masses asleep and to make the awakened one's appear to be lunatics.

Mild soap box stance over.  :P

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #666 on: January 08, 2017, 06:49:48 AM »

Perhaps I'm mistaken but doesn't the experiment demonstrated at this link fit the bill?
http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum/
How about explaining what's happening that verifies inertia and/or gravity, or whatever you think it represents.

The fact that in a vacuum objects will accelerate at exactly the same rate no matter what size shape or density they are. This fits exactly with theory of gravitation and destroys denpressure.
The fact that you have never physically observed what you're saying to be the case, I'd say you are simply parroting along with the parrots.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #667 on: January 08, 2017, 06:52:54 AM »

Perhaps I'm mistaken but doesn't the experiment demonstrated at this link fit the bill?
http://www.iflscience.com/physics/dropping-bowling-ball-and-feather-vacuum/
How about explaining what's happening that verifies inertia and/or gravity, or whatever you think it represents.
The objects are in a near vacuum, so air pressure is not affecting them.  When released they fall, in a very predictable manner, to the ground.  Some form of force is required to create movement.  In this case I believe the force is gravity, pulling the objects towards the ground.  We know air pressure has nothing to do with it, no stacking etc.
Now you tell me what you think happened there?
That experiment is a con job  and it's plain to see it is.
I can't really give any genuine answer to that video other than to simply say it's clear and utter bullshit designed to skew people's thoughts who argue against gravity and what not.


However, let's imagine that to be a real evacuation chamber that does evacuate a mammoth amount of atmospheric pressure.
The bowling ball and the feather would still fall at different rates. I'm talking about a real feather and not the bullshit one's that are used in that laughable video.

Either way you look at it, that bowling ball starts off under atmospheric sea level conditions, or thereabouts.
It then has to be lifted up by using energy of a crane.
It's still displacing atmosphere as it is lifted up and is still displacing atmosphere as the container is under evacuation of pressure.
It still pushes through the remaining atmosphere that is left, which is much less friction acting against it's push down which will actually make it move quicker but would hardly be noticeable to the human eye.
However, a real feather would fall faster due to it not hitting anywhere near the resistance as it's pushed/squeezed down.

In that crap video you see the feathers not flutter at all. The reason for this is because the video is a scam to make it look like a vacuum is the reason.
The truth is there would be fluttering to be seen all the way down, not just on the very first second of the drop.
Understand what it takes to evacuate a chamber and you'll understand that the near supposed vacuum in this one is ridiculous.

Remember that air isn't pumped out, it's allowed out with the pumps main objective as being a force against atmosphere GETTING in. The pump pushes atmosphere away from the container to allow the container to decompress by molecular expansion, alone.

The video is a scam.
The faces on the bozo's monitoring it tells its own story, along with face for TV, housewives choice, rock start come professor of all Earth sciences that are impossible to verify...Brian Cox.

The old, " wow, look at them, they stayed together."
What? Have they never thought to test this out and require a similar set up to a fake rocket launch consisting of all kinds of computers and jargon in order to drop a frigging ball and feather?

There would be a shit load more experiments done at any one time if this thing was any use in any extreme so called vacuum like environment, as we are told.

There's no proof for gravity or inertia. They simply do not exist and this is the best they can come up with to try and convince the masses.
It works for the masses but not for those who can see past the utter bullshit and is the reason why all kinds of ways and means are being tried to try and keep the masses asleep and to make the awakened one's appear to be lunatics.

Mild soap box stance over.  :P
But without atmosphere in the chamber there is nothing to offer resistance.  That's why the feather doesn't flutter.  Is your only response then that it must be a fake because it doesn't fit your opinion?

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #668 on: January 08, 2017, 07:50:09 AM »

But without atmosphere in the chamber there is nothing to offer resistance.  That's why the feather doesn't flutter.  Is your only response then that it must be a fake because it doesn't fit your opinion?
I've just explained in my post, earlier.

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« Reply #669 on: January 08, 2017, 08:22:03 AM »

But without atmosphere in the chamber there is nothing to offer resistance.  That's why the feather doesn't flutter.  Is your only response then that it must be a fake because it doesn't fit your opinion?
I've just explained in my post, earlier.

Why would the makers of this to show...the BBC want to fool people?
Why would an eminent British professor, Brian Cox want to fool people when his main day time job is teaching undergraduates?
What information or evidence do you have that allows you to make your claims?
I have to say they come over as the ravings of a mad person.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #670 on: January 08, 2017, 08:52:42 AM »

I have many experiments that people can do, with very little equipment.

Liar. I have asked you to suggest an experiment that could verify denpressure dozens of times.

Hell, the last denpressure thread had 4 experiments that showed denpressure to be false, and you failed to explain why.

If you have experiments that prove your line of thinking, please share them with us!!

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #671 on: January 08, 2017, 08:58:29 AM »
The fact that you have never physically observed what you're saying to be the case, I'd say you are simply parroting along with the parrots.

How ironic.

The fact that you have never physically observed a dome, I'd say you are simply parroting along with the flat earth parrots.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #672 on: January 08, 2017, 09:40:24 AM »
Why would the makers of this to show...the BBC want to fool people?
Try being a bit less naive or obvious.
Why would an eminent British professor, Brian Cox want to fool people when his main day time job is teaching undergraduates?
Failed rock star come mouthpiece for the establishment. Paid to parrot and follow protocol.
What information or evidence do you have that allows you to make your claims?
Observation and the ability to use logic and common  sense, mixed in with the ability to spot bullshitters.
I have to say they come over as the ravings of a mad person.
Of course they do. Like I said, you people follow protocol.
Ravings of a mad person is just another dig in a long line of digs.
So predictable.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #673 on: January 08, 2017, 09:40:51 AM »

But without atmosphere in the chamber there is nothing to offer resistance.  That's why the feather doesn't flutter.  Is your only response then that it must be a fake because it doesn't fit your opinion?
I've just explained in my post, earlier.

No you haven't explained you just made up crap.

The chamber is in a state of vacuum and therefore no air pressure or resistance will affect the falling objects.
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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #674 on: January 08, 2017, 09:43:52 AM »

I have many experiments that people can do, with very little equipment.

Liar. I have asked you to suggest an experiment that could verify denpressure dozens of times.

Hell, the last denpressure thread had 4 experiments that showed denpressure to be false, and you failed to explain why.

If you have experiments that prove your line of thinking, please share them with us!!
I can give you many experiments to do. All you have to do is follow my instructions to the letter and accept them as a valid attempt before you take them on.
The only thing I need from you is your video of you having the necessary equipment, which a man of your standing should have available right now. One being a large enough chamber for the evacuation of a lot of pressure that will go as far as freezing water.


Are you up for it?

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #675 on: January 08, 2017, 09:46:10 AM »
Observation and the ability to use logic and common  sense

What observations have you made that lead you to believe in a graphite arc lamp that provides all natural light on earth, because this explanation defies logic and common sense

mixed in with the ability to spot bullshitters.
Ever look in a mirror?

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #676 on: January 08, 2017, 09:46:49 AM »

I have many experiments that people can do, with very little equipment.

Liar. I have asked you to suggest an experiment that could verify denpressure dozens of times.

Hell, the last denpressure thread had 4 experiments that showed denpressure to be false, and you failed to explain why.

If you have experiments that prove your line of thinking, please share them with us!!
I can give you many experiments to do. All you have to do is follow my instructions to the letter and accept them as a valid attempt before you take them on.
The only thing I need from you is your video of you having the necessary equipment, which a man of your standing should have available right now. One being a large enough chamber for the evacuation of a lot of pressure that will go as far as freezing water.

Are you up for it?
Just describe the experiments.

How do I calculate the time to fall of an object?

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #677 on: January 08, 2017, 09:46:57 AM »
The fact that you have never physically observed what you're saying to be the case, I'd say you are simply parroting along with the parrots.

How ironic.

The fact that you have never physically observed a dome, I'd say you are simply parroting along with the flat earth parrots.
I once walked into a glass sliding door. I thought it was open. Smack bang into it I went.
I was embarrassed after the shock.
The funny thing was, it didn't look like there was a window there. It was an open area to me until my body found otherwise.

Sometimes you just can't see things that are there.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #678 on: January 08, 2017, 09:47:56 AM »

I have many experiments that people can do, with very little equipment.

Liar. I have asked you to suggest an experiment that could verify denpressure dozens of times.

Hell, the last denpressure thread had 4 experiments that showed denpressure to be false, and you failed to explain why.

If you have experiments that prove your line of thinking, please share them with us!!
I can give you many experiments to do. All you have to do is follow my instructions to the letter and accept them as a valid attempt before you take them on.
The only thing I need from you is your video of you having the necessary equipment, which a man of your standing should have available right now. One being a large enough chamber for the evacuation of a lot of pressure that will go as far as freezing water.


Are you up for it?

A fully functioning evacuation chamber is not what I would call "very little equipment," but sure I'm up for it!

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #679 on: January 08, 2017, 09:49:55 AM »
The fact that you have never physically observed what you're saying to be the case, I'd say you are simply parroting along with the parrots.

How ironic.

The fact that you have never physically observed a dome, I'd say you are simply parroting along with the flat earth parrots.
I once walked into a glass sliding door. I thought it was open. Smack bang into it I went.
I was embarrassed after the shock.
The funny thing was, it didn't look like there was a window there. It was an open area to me until my body found otherwise.

Sometimes you just can't see things that are there.

Except you can totally see a sliding glass door if you pay attention to where you are going.

Do you have evidence of anything striking the dome?

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #680 on: January 08, 2017, 09:50:24 AM »

But without atmosphere in the chamber there is nothing to offer resistance.  That's why the feather doesn't flutter.  Is your only response then that it must be a fake because it doesn't fit your opinion?
I've just explained in my post, earlier.

No you haven't explained you just made up crap.

The chamber is in a state of vacuum and therefore no air pressure or resistance will affect the falling objects.
LITTLE resistance affects the objects. Get this bit correct because if you don't get this bit correct, it means you believe a true vacuum can be made, which means the absence of ALL matter and that would mean there would be an absence of ALL matter, meaning there would be nothing at all happening, as there would not be anything that exists.
Do you understand?

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #681 on: January 08, 2017, 09:51:25 AM »
Observation and the ability to use logic and common  sense

What observations have you made that lead you to believe in a graphite arc lamp that provides all natural light on earth, because this explanation defies logic and common sense

mixed in with the ability to spot bullshitters.
Ever look in a mirror?
Try harder.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #682 on: January 08, 2017, 09:52:07 AM »

I have many experiments that people can do, with very little equipment.

Liar. I have asked you to suggest an experiment that could verify denpressure dozens of times.

Hell, the last denpressure thread had 4 experiments that showed denpressure to be false, and you failed to explain why.

If you have experiments that prove your line of thinking, please share them with us!!
I can give you many experiments to do. All you have to do is follow my instructions to the letter and accept them as a valid attempt before you take them on.
The only thing I need from you is your video of you having the necessary equipment, which a man of your standing should have available right now. One being a large enough chamber for the evacuation of a lot of pressure that will go as far as freezing water.

Are you up for it?
Just describe the experiments.

How do I calculate the time to fall of an object?
With a watch and calculator or a watch and a pen and note book.

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #683 on: January 08, 2017, 09:53:02 AM »

I have many experiments that people can do, with very little equipment.

Liar. I have asked you to suggest an experiment that could verify denpressure dozens of times.

Hell, the last denpressure thread had 4 experiments that showed denpressure to be false, and you failed to explain why.

If you have experiments that prove your line of thinking, please share them with us!!
I can give you many experiments to do. All you have to do is follow my instructions to the letter and accept them as a valid attempt before you take them on.
The only thing I need from you is your video of you having the necessary equipment, which a man of your standing should have available right now. One being a large enough chamber for the evacuation of a lot of pressure that will go as far as freezing water.


Are you up for it?

A fully functioning evacuation chamber is not what I would call "very little equipment," but sure I'm up for it!
Show me your set up and we can get going. I'm sure you want to try out some stuff, right?

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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #684 on: January 08, 2017, 09:53:11 AM »

I have many experiments that people can do, with very little equipment.

Liar. I have asked you to suggest an experiment that could verify denpressure dozens of times.

Hell, the last denpressure thread had 4 experiments that showed denpressure to be false, and you failed to explain why.

If you have experiments that prove your line of thinking, please share them with us!!
I can give you many experiments to do. All you have to do is follow my instructions to the letter and accept them as a valid attempt before you take them on.
The only thing I need from you is your video of you having the necessary equipment, which a man of your standing should have available right now. One being a large enough chamber for the evacuation of a lot of pressure that will go as far as freezing water.

Are you up for it?
Just describe the experiments.

How do I calculate the time to fall of an object?
With a watch and calculator or a watch and a pen and note book.

That is observation, not calculation. Try again.

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« Reply #685 on: January 08, 2017, 09:55:15 AM »
Show me your set up and we can get going. I'm sure you want to try out some stuff, right?

You said you had "several experiements" requiring "very little equipment"

I would hardly call the evacuation chamber you are describing "very little equipment"

Do you have another experiment that ALL of us are able to do ourselves?

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« Reply #686 on: January 08, 2017, 09:56:48 AM »
The fact that you have never physically observed what you're saying to be the case, I'd say you are simply parroting along with the parrots.

How ironic.

The fact that you have never physically observed a dome, I'd say you are simply parroting along with the flat earth parrots.
I once walked into a glass sliding door. I thought it was open. Smack bang into it I went.
I was embarrassed after the shock.
The funny thing was, it didn't look like there was a window there. It was an open area to me until my body found otherwise.

Sometimes you just can't see things that are there.

Except you can totally see a sliding glass door if you pay attention to where you are going.

Do you have evidence of anything striking the dome?
Nothing can strike the dome. You only get dome hydricals and helicals and nitricals, etc.
They're what you would view as meteors and comets and what not.
They're the dome fallers that you see in friction burn ups in the sky.


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Re: Air Pressure vs Gravity
« Reply #687 on: January 08, 2017, 09:58:34 AM »
Show me your set up and we can get going. I'm sure you want to try out some stuff, right?

You said you had "several experiements" requiring "very little equipment"

I would hardly call the evacuation chamber you are describing "very little equipment"

Do you have another experiment that ALL of us are able to do ourselves?
You disappoint me Bill. The equipment you must have and you're backing out.
Show me that you can think for yourself, Bill.

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« Reply #688 on: January 08, 2017, 10:25:36 AM »

But without atmosphere in the chamber there is nothing to offer resistance.  That's why the feather doesn't flutter.  Is your only response then that it must be a fake because it doesn't fit your opinion?
I've just explained in my post, earlier.
I'm just not following you.  Are you saying that the few remaining air molecules have expanded to fill the space ?  With virtually no air in the chamber, why do the objects fall at all?  No pressure left to push them down.

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« Reply #689 on: January 08, 2017, 10:43:40 AM »

But without atmosphere in the chamber there is nothing to offer resistance.  That's why the feather doesn't flutter.  Is your only response then that it must be a fake because it doesn't fit your opinion?
I've just explained in my post, earlier.
I'm just not following you.  Are you saying that the few remaining air molecules have expanded to fill the space ?  With virtually no air in the chamber, why do the objects fall at all?  No pressure left to push them down.
Virtually no air?
There's plenty of air in the chamber, it's just more expanded.
It's just a lower pressure that's all.