Air Pressure vs Gravity

Quote from: inquisitive on December 31, 2016, 05:06:02 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 31, 2016, 04:47:37 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on December 30, 2016, 07:55:15 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 06:50:12 AM

Quote from: onebigmonkey on December 30, 2016, 05:52:47 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 04:42:26 AM

I'm sure rational people can now see that gravity is a complete and utter rigged up name to basically describe the true reality which is denpressure.
The clothes inside the (what's known as) vacuum pack are compressed by atmospheric pressure.
Now place a scale plate inside that plastic vacuum pack and see what happens to the scale.

No-one is denying that it is atmospheric pressure causing the vacuum pack to shrink. It's gravity that gives the atmosphere the weight to do that.

The other morning on my ride to work I encountered something that often happens - a temperature inversion - a layer of warm air capping dense cold air.

Did it suddenly get harder to pedal? Did I weigh more? Why did the cold air sink?

You keep harping on about gravity causing what I mention and when asked to explain gravity; you can't. You simply just say stuff like, " oh so you think Newton's wrong, do you?"
Or some crap like that.
Tell me how gravity causes what I've just explained.

You still need to explain:

2 objects, the same size and shape, made of different materials eg. lead and aluminium, fall at the same speed.

An object weighs the same regardless of the changing atmospheric pressure during the day.

Let's see how long you last this time, in this name.

The answer is, they do NOT fall at the same speed. They appear to fall at the same speed because the test is done over a very short height and you know this.

They do fall at the same speed, measured accurately over a significant height.  Do you have proof this is not true, measurements and/or calculations.

And the weight remaining the same with changes in pressure?

Do you have proof of your claim?

Obviously I'm taking it as an acceptance that you aren't being paid to simply deny EVERYTHING  that goes against mainstream science indoctrination.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 31, 2016, 04:52:48 AM

Obviously I'm taking it as an acceptance that you aren't being paid to simply deny EVERYTHING  that goes against mainstream science indoctrination.

Do you know what belief without proof is? Faith.

You have nothing but faith in your beliefs. You are no better than a cult leader, except cult leaders are actually charasmatic.

Quote from: TheRealBillNye on December 31, 2016, 06:57:10 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 31, 2016, 04:52:48 AM

Obviously I'm taking it as an acceptance that you aren't being paid to simply deny EVERYTHING  that goes against mainstream science indoctrination.

Do you know what belief without proof is? Faith.

You have nothing but faith in your beliefs. You are no better than a cult leader, except cult leaders are actually charasmatic.

Your entire globe model is based on your faith in those that sold you the story. You have no other proof....PHYSICALLY to say any different.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 31, 2016, 07:06:24 AM

Quote from: TheRealBillNye on December 31, 2016, 06:57:10 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 31, 2016, 04:52:48 AM

Obviously I'm taking it as an acceptance that you aren't being paid to simply deny EVERYTHING  that goes against mainstream science indoctrination.

Do you know what belief without proof is? Faith.

You have nothing but faith in your beliefs. You are no better than a cult leader, except cult leaders are actually charasmatic.

Your entire globe model is based on your faith in those that sold you the story. You have no other proof....PHYSICALLY to say any different.

I actually do have proof, though.

The fact that I can tell you EXACTLY where and when you will be able to see a solar eclipse shows that my model can actually be used in the real world to make accurate predictions.

Tell me, what is even happening in your model when a solar eclipse occurs? How could I predict when or where one will occur?

Quote from: inquisitive on December 31, 2016, 05:06:02 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 31, 2016, 04:47:37 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on December 30, 2016, 07:55:15 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 06:50:12 AM

Quote from: onebigmonkey on December 30, 2016, 05:52:47 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 04:42:26 AM

I'm sure rational people can now see that gravity is a complete and utter rigged up name to basically describe the true reality which is denpressure.
The clothes inside the (what's known as) vacuum pack are compressed by atmospheric pressure.
Now place a scale plate inside that plastic vacuum pack and see what happens to the scale.

No-one is denying that it is atmospheric pressure causing the vacuum pack to shrink. It's gravity that gives the atmosphere the weight to do that.

The other morning on my ride to work I encountered something that often happens - a temperature inversion - a layer of warm air capping dense cold air.

Did it suddenly get harder to pedal? Did I weigh more? Why did the cold air sink?

You keep harping on about gravity causing what I mention and when asked to explain gravity; you can't. You simply just say stuff like, " oh so you think Newton's wrong, do you?"
Or some crap like that.
Tell me how gravity causes what I've just explained.

You still need to explain:

2 objects, the same size and shape, made of different materials eg. lead and aluminium, fall at the same speed.

An object weighs the same regardless of the changing atmospheric pressure during the day.

Let's see how long you last this time, in this name.

The answer is, they do NOT fall at the same speed. They appear to fall at the same speed because the test is done over a very short height and you know this.

They do fall at the same speed, measured accurately over a significant height.  Do you have proof this is not true, measurements and/or calculations.

And the weight remaining the same with changes in pressure?

Do you have proof of your claim?

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 31, 2016, 07:06:24 AM

Quote from: TheRealBillNye on December 31, 2016, 06:57:10 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 31, 2016, 04:52:48 AM

Obviously I'm taking it as an acceptance that you aren't being paid to simply deny EVERYTHING  that goes against mainstream science indoctrination.

Do you know what belief without proof is? Faith.

You have nothing but faith in your beliefs. You are no better than a cult leader, except cult leaders are actually charasmatic.

Your entire globe model is based on your faith in those that sold you the story. You have no other proof....PHYSICALLY to say any different.

I actually do have proof, though.

The fact that I can tell you EXACTLY where and when you will be able to see a solar eclipse shows that my model can actually be used in the real world to make accurate predictions.

Y'know, even if he gave you a forumla to calculate, when you go to test it, there might be excessive moisture in the air, or even some wind, maybe some thermals nearby, and all of a sudden you'll come back yelling that the formula doesnt work. As for the Eclipses, ill repeat myself seeing how ive been ignored. How could a culture that thought we lived on a giant turtle accurately predict eclipses?

How could a culture that thought we lived on a giant turtle accurately predict eclipses?

Can you give details of how gravity is involved in the prediction of eclipses?

Y'know, even if he gave you a forumla to calculate, when you go to test it, there might be excessive moisture in the air, or even some wind, maybe some thermals nearby, and all of a sudden you'll come back yelling that the formula doesnt work. As for the Eclipses, ill repeat myself seeing how ive been ignored. How could a culture that thought we lived on a giant turtle accurately predict eclipses?

Quote from: Arealhumanbeing on December 31, 2016, 08:22:16 AM

Y'know, even if he gave you a forumla to calculate, when you go to test it, there might be excessive moisture in the air, or even some wind, maybe some thermals nearby, and all of a sudden you'll come back yelling that the formula doesnt work. As for the Eclipses, ill repeat myself seeing how ive been ignored. How could a culture that thought we lived on a giant turtle accurately predict eclipses?

Mayans could predict WHEN eclipses would occur based on lunar cycles. Mayan could NOT predict WHERE the Eclipses would be visible from. The WHERE comes from our knowledge of orbits.

Quote from: TheRealBillNye on December 31, 2016, 09:17:53 AM

Quote from: Arealhumanbeing on December 31, 2016, 08:22:16 AM

Y'know, even if he gave you a forumla to calculate, when you go to test it, there might be excessive moisture in the air, or even some wind, maybe some thermals nearby, and all of a sudden you'll come back yelling that the formula doesnt work. As for the Eclipses, ill repeat myself seeing how ive been ignored. How could a culture that thought we lived on a giant turtle accurately predict eclipses?

Mayans could predict WHEN eclipses would occur based on lunar cycles. Mayan could NOT predict WHERE the Eclipses would be visible from. The WHERE comes from our knowledge of orbits.

I said that already, Bill

This argument still proves that people don't need to think earth is a giant ball to be able to predict eclipses.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 31, 2016, 05:07:04 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on December 31, 2016, 05:06:02 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 31, 2016, 04:47:37 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on December 30, 2016, 07:55:15 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 06:50:12 AM

Quote from: onebigmonkey on December 30, 2016, 05:52:47 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 04:42:26 AM

I'm sure rational people can now see that gravity is a complete and utter rigged up name to basically describe the true reality which is denpressure.
The clothes inside the (what's known as) vacuum pack are compressed by atmospheric pressure.
Now place a scale plate inside that plastic vacuum pack and see what happens to the scale.

No-one is denying that it is atmospheric pressure causing the vacuum pack to shrink. It's gravity that gives the atmosphere the weight to do that.

The other morning on my ride to work I encountered something that often happens - a temperature inversion - a layer of warm air capping dense cold air.

Did it suddenly get harder to pedal? Did I weigh more? Why did the cold air sink?

You keep harping on about gravity causing what I mention and when asked to explain gravity; you can't. You simply just say stuff like, " oh so you think Newton's wrong, do you?"
Or some crap like that.
Tell me how gravity causes what I've just explained.

You still need to explain:

2 objects, the same size and shape, made of different materials eg. lead and aluminium, fall at the same speed.

An object weighs the same regardless of the changing atmospheric pressure during the day.

Let's see how long you last this time, in this name.

The answer is, they do NOT fall at the same speed. They appear to fall at the same speed because the test is done over a very short height and you know this.

They do fall at the same speed, measured accurately over a significant height.  Do you have proof this is not true, measurements and/or calculations.

And the weight remaining the same with changes in pressure?

Do you have proof of your claim?

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Quote from: sceptimatic on December 31, 2016, 05:07:04 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on December 31, 2016, 05:06:02 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 31, 2016, 04:47:37 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on December 30, 2016, 07:55:15 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 06:50:12 AM

Quote from: onebigmonkey on December 30, 2016, 05:52:47 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 04:42:26 AM

I'm sure rational people can now see that gravity is a complete and utter rigged up name to basically describe the true reality which is denpressure.
The clothes inside the (what's known as) vacuum pack are compressed by atmospheric pressure.
Now place a scale plate inside that plastic vacuum pack and see what happens to the scale.

No-one is denying that it is atmospheric pressure causing the vacuum pack to shrink. It's gravity that gives the atmosphere the weight to do that.

The other morning on my ride to work I encountered something that often happens - a temperature inversion - a layer of warm air capping dense cold air.

Did it suddenly get harder to pedal? Did I weigh more? Why did the cold air sink?

You keep harping on about gravity causing what I mention and when asked to explain gravity; you can't. You simply just say stuff like, " oh so you think Newton's wrong, do you?"
Or some crap like that.
Tell me how gravity causes what I've just explained.

You still need to explain:

2 objects, the same size and shape, made of different materials eg. lead and aluminium, fall at the same speed.

An object weighs the same regardless of the changing atmospheric pressure during the day.

Let's see how long you last this time, in this name.

The answer is, they do NOT fall at the same speed. They appear to fall at the same speed because the test is done over a very short height and you know this.

They do fall at the same speed, measured accurately over a significant height.  Do you have proof this is not true, measurements and/or calculations.

And the weight remaining the same with changes in pressure?

Do you have proof of your claim?

Easy to test. School experiments. You have no proof this is not true, other than your words, please demonstrate.  You dispute accepted science, prove it wrong.

What formula would you use to calculate the speed an object falls at?

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 31, 2016, 07:06:24 AM

Quote from: TheRealBillNye on December 31, 2016, 06:57:10 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 31, 2016, 04:52:48 AM

Obviously I'm taking it as an acceptance that you aren't being paid to simply deny EVERYTHING  that goes against mainstream science indoctrination.

Do you know what belief without proof is? Faith.

You have nothing but faith in your beliefs. You are no better than a cult leader, except cult leaders are actually charasmatic.

Your entire globe model is based on your faith in those that sold you the story. You have no other proof....PHYSICALLY to say any different.

I actually do have proof, though.

The fact that I can tell you EXACTLY where and when you will be able to see a solar eclipse shows that my model can actually be used in the real world to make accurate predictions.

Tell me, what is even happening in your model when a solar eclipse occurs? How could I predict when or where one will occur?

Quote from: Copper Knickers on December 31, 2016, 08:16:04 AM

Can you give details of how gravity is involved in the prediction of eclipses?

Simple. Our understanding of gravity has given us innate knowledge of orbits. We then use our knowledge of orbits to calculate when the Moon's orbit will place the moon directly between the Earth and Sun. Our knowledge is so precise we are able to tell to the exact minute where and when eclipses will be visible.

Using Scepti's model one would have to actually observe the crystal spinning and make calculations based on its movements, but even Scepti himself claims it is impossible to do such a thing.

Quote from: Arealhumanbeing on January 02, 2017, 10:27:05 AM

This argument still proves that people don't need to think earth is a giant ball to be able to predict eclipses.

Not at all. To be able to predict WHERE eclipses will be visible requires extensive knowledge of gravitation and orbital mechanics.

Once one understands how gravity works, earth shape becomes clear as day.

Quote from: inquisitive on December 31, 2016, 08:15:10 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 31, 2016, 05:07:04 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on December 31, 2016, 05:06:02 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 31, 2016, 04:47:37 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on December 30, 2016, 07:55:15 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 06:50:12 AM

Quote from: onebigmonkey on December 30, 2016, 05:52:47 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 04:42:26 AM

I'm sure rational people can now see that gravity is a complete and utter rigged up name to basically describe the true reality which is denpressure.
The clothes inside the (what's known as) vacuum pack are compressed by atmospheric pressure.
Now place a scale plate inside that plastic vacuum pack and see what happens to the scale.

No-one is denying that it is atmospheric pressure causing the vacuum pack to shrink. It's gravity that gives the atmosphere the weight to do that.

The other morning on my ride to work I encountered something that often happens - a temperature inversion - a layer of warm air capping dense cold air.

Did it suddenly get harder to pedal? Did I weigh more? Why did the cold air sink?

You keep harping on about gravity causing what I mention and when asked to explain gravity; you can't. You simply just say stuff like, " oh so you think Newton's wrong, do you?"
Or some crap like that.
Tell me how gravity causes what I've just explained.

You still need to explain:

2 objects, the same size and shape, made of different materials eg. lead and aluminium, fall at the same speed.

An object weighs the same regardless of the changing atmospheric pressure during the day.

Let's see how long you last this time, in this name.

The answer is, they do NOT fall at the same speed. They appear to fall at the same speed because the test is done over a very short height and you know this.

They do fall at the same speed, measured accurately over a significant height.  Do you have proof this is not true, measurements and/or calculations.

And the weight remaining the same with changes in pressure?

Do you have proof of your claim?

Easy to test. School experiments. You have no proof this is not true, other than your words, please demonstrate.  You dispute accepted science, prove it wrong.

What formula would you use to calculate the speed an object falls at?

What easy to test school experiments are these?

Quote from: TheRealBillNye on January 02, 2017, 10:30:27 AM

Quote from: Arealhumanbeing on January 02, 2017, 10:27:05 AM

This argument still proves that people don't need to think earth is a giant ball to be able to predict eclipses.

Not at all. To be able to predict WHERE eclipses will be visible requires extensive knowledge of gravitation and orbital mechanics.

Once one understands how gravity works, earth shape becomes clear as day.

Tell me how it works to shoe Earth shape as clear as day?

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 02, 2017, 11:43:21 AM

Quote from: TheRealBillNye on January 02, 2017, 10:30:27 AM

Quote from: Arealhumanbeing on January 02, 2017, 10:27:05 AM

This argument still proves that people don't need to think earth is a giant ball to be able to predict eclipses.

Not at all. To be able to predict WHERE eclipses will be visible requires extensive knowledge of gravitation and orbital mechanics.

Once one understands how gravity works, earth shape becomes clear as day.

Tell me how it works to shoe Earth shape as clear as day?

If you knew how gravity works, it would be clear to you, but I will explain it simply for you.

Gravity is a property of matter. In a very basic sense, mass attracts mass. When a lump of matter becomes massive enough, the force of gravity pulls the lump of matter into the smallest amount of space possible.

As basic geometry will tell you, the shape that takes up the smallest volume is a sphere.

Ok, so mass attracts mass and when that mass becomes massive enough, the force of this gravity pulls the LUMP of matter into the SMALLEST amount of space possible, which turns out of be sphere, or in Earth terms (said by journalist come mainstream science mouthpiece, Neil deGrasse Tyson)....a PEAR shape.

Ok, so now could you tell me what gravity is?

Mass attracts mass for some reason. The reason you say, is gravity.
Can you tell me how this gravity works to actually do this?