Air Pressure vs Gravity

I put a scale in a vacuum desiccator and saw no change in weight.

Quote from: sokarul on December 28, 2016, 10:47:16 AM

I put a scale in a vacuum desiccator and saw no change in weight.

I don't want anybody to misinterpret this fatal typo. Sokarul, in the last denpressure thread, performed many experiments that disproved denpressure.

If denpressure was based upon verifiable fact and not the fever dreams of deranged schizophrenic minds, then this thread would not exist.

No matter what sceptimatic or anyone else says you twats will never accept any alternative to gravity. No matter how nutty or foolish gravity is proven to be.

There are experiments disproving the THEORY of gravity, but you people ignore those dont you.

Lol this thread is bonkers. No matter what sceptimatic or anyone else says you twats will never accept any alternative to gravity. No matter how nutty or foolish gravity is proven to be.

There are experiments disproving the THEORY of gravity, but you people ignore those dont you.

Do you honestly think that staking, expanding molecules...

Quote from: markjo on December 29, 2016, 12:12:48 PM

Do you honestly think that staking, expanding molecules...

What is a "staking" molecule? 

Quote from: Mainframes on December 21, 2016, 05:52:35 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 20, 2016, 11:51:39 PM

Quote from: Mainframes on December 20, 2016, 11:49:40 PM

Scepti - do you agree that air pressure decreases with height?

Absolutely.

Therefore do you also agree that the air pressure at the bottom of an object is higher than at the top of an object?

Absolutely.

Lol this thread is bonkers. No matter what sceptimatic or anyone else says you twats will never accept any alternative to gravity. No matter how nutty or foolish gravity is proven to be. There are experiments disproving the THEORY of gravity, but you people ignore those dont you.

Lol this thread is bonkers. No matter what sceptimatic or anyone else says you twats will never accept any alternative to gravity. No matter how nutty or foolish gravity is proven to be. There are experiments disproving the THEORY of gravity, but you people ignore those dont you.

I provided an easy, simple to demonstrate  experiment that proves Scepti's denspressure theory to be invalid. In which I was hoping to hear his thoughts on that. He always has an answer it seems, I will give him that..

Quote from: IonSpen on December 29, 2016, 04:10:44 PM

I provided an easy, simple to demonstrate  experiment that proves Scepti's denspressure theory to be invalid. In which I was hoping to hear his thoughts on that. He always has an answer it seems, I will give him that..

What easy and simple to demonstrate experiment  is it, that you provided?

Here's a pretty simple experiment to prove air pressure is NOT what keeps us down.
Use a large sheet (9 X 12) of the Super thin plastic sheeting, like the stuff used when painting to cover furniture, carpet, etc. Get the thinnest you can find. Now, drape that evenly over your head, and allow the excess to fall around you. Note that the miles of stacked atmosphere above is NOT squeezing the ultra thin plastic wrap around you. If it's not strong enough to squeeze around you tightly, then how can it possibly hold you down?
If you were to stretch the same plastic wrap over the top of the surface of the water in a swimming pool, then jump into the water directly in the center of the plastic, what would happen? We all know what happens, it squeezes all the way around you.
Now, this squeezing in the water is the same squeezing Scepti says the air pressure is supposed to do to keep you down.
Simple experiment debunking denspressure.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 01:01:23 AM

Quote from: IonSpen on December 29, 2016, 04:10:44 PM

I provided an easy, simple to demonstrate  experiment that proves Scepti's denspressure theory to be invalid. In which I was hoping to hear his thoughts on that. He always has an answer it seems, I will give him that..

What easy and simple to demonstrate experiment  is it, that you provided?

Quote from: IonSpen on December 28, 2016, 10:54:59 AM

Here's a pretty simple experiment to prove air pressure is NOT what keeps us down.
Use a large sheet (9 X 12) of the Super thin plastic sheeting, like the stuff used when painting to cover furniture, carpet, etc. Get the thinnest you can find. Now, drape that evenly over your head, and allow the excess to fall around you. Note that the miles of stacked atmosphere above is NOT squeezing the ultra thin plastic wrap around you. If it's not strong enough to squeeze around you tightly, then how can it possibly hold you down?
If you were to stretch the same plastic wrap over the top of the surface of the water in a swimming pool, then jump into the water directly in the center of the plastic, what would happen? We all know what happens, it squeezes all the way around you.
Now, this squeezing in the water is the same squeezing Scepti says the air pressure is supposed to do to keep you down.
Simple experiment debunking denspressure.

A better way to look at it and proves my theory is a vacuum sealer bag, as they are known.
It's the same principle as what's being asked of in that description.
Place an object into the plastic bag and push as much air away out of the bag. As this happens, you can see the item (clothes for instance) become compressed by the atmospheric pressure.
That's all the proof anyone really needs to be fair but most will deny it because they want gravity and a spinning globe to be real and are desperate to keep it that way because somehow they believe it makes them smarter than the average bear...which it does not. It makes them more naive than they think they are.

BUT, that bit was just me having a dig.

I'm sure rational people can now see that gravity is a complete and utter rigged up name to basically describe the true reality which is denpressure.
The clothes inside the (what's known as) vacuum pack are compressed by atmospheric pressure.
Now place a scale plate inside that plastic vacuum pack and see what happens to the scale.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 04:42:26 AM

I'm sure rational people can now see that gravity is a complete and utter rigged up name to basically describe the true reality which is denpressure.
The clothes inside the (what's known as) vacuum pack are compressed by atmospheric pressure.
Now place a scale plate inside that plastic vacuum pack and see what happens to the scale.

No-one is denying that it is atmospheric pressure causing the vacuum pack to shrink. It's gravity that gives the atmosphere the weight to do that.

The other morning on my ride to work I encountered something that often happens - a temperature inversion - a layer of warm air capping dense cold air.

Did it suddenly get harder to pedal? Did I weigh more? Why did the cold air sink?

Quote from: onebigmonkey on December 30, 2016, 05:52:47 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 04:42:26 AM

I'm sure rational people can now see that gravity is a complete and utter rigged up name to basically describe the true reality which is denpressure.
The clothes inside the (what's known as) vacuum pack are compressed by atmospheric pressure.
Now place a scale plate inside that plastic vacuum pack and see what happens to the scale.

No-one is denying that it is atmospheric pressure causing the vacuum pack to shrink. It's gravity that gives the atmosphere the weight to do that.

The other morning on my ride to work I encountered something that often happens - a temperature inversion - a layer of warm air capping dense cold air.

Did it suddenly get harder to pedal? Did I weigh more? Why did the cold air sink?

You keep harping on about gravity causing what I mention and when asked to explain gravity; you can't. You simply just say stuff like, " oh so you think Newton's wrong, do you?"
Or some crap like that.
Tell me how gravity causes what I've just explained.

Quote from: onebigmonkey on December 30, 2016, 05:52:47 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 04:42:26 AM

I'm sure rational people can now see that gravity is a complete and utter rigged up name to basically describe the true reality which is denpressure.
The clothes inside the (what's known as) vacuum pack are compressed by atmospheric pressure.
Now place a scale plate inside that plastic vacuum pack and see what happens to the scale.

No-one is denying that it is atmospheric pressure causing the vacuum pack to shrink. It's gravity that gives the atmosphere the weight to do that.

The other morning on my ride to work I encountered something that often happens - a temperature inversion - a layer of warm air capping dense cold air.

Did it suddenly get harder to pedal? Did I weigh more? Why did the cold air sink?

You keep harping on about gravity causing what I mention and when asked to explain gravity; you can't. You simply just say stuff like, " oh so you think Newton's wrong, do you?"
Or some crap like that.
Tell me how gravity causes what I've just explained.

I'm sure rational people can now see that gravity is a complete and utter rigged up name to basically describe the true reality which is denpressure.

Quote from: Boots on December 30, 2016, 01:11:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 01:01:23 AM

Quote from: IonSpen on December 29, 2016, 04:10:44 PM

I provided an easy, simple to demonstrate  experiment that proves Scepti's denspressure theory to be invalid. In which I was hoping to hear his thoughts on that. He always has an answer it seems, I will give him that..

What easy and simple to demonstrate experiment  is it, that you provided?

Quote from: IonSpen on December 28, 2016, 10:54:59 AM

Here's a pretty simple experiment to prove air pressure is NOT what keeps us down.
Use a large sheet (9 X 12) of the Super thin plastic sheeting, like the stuff used when painting to cover furniture, carpet, etc. Get the thinnest you can find. Now, drape that evenly over your head, and allow the excess to fall around you. Note that the miles of stacked atmosphere above is NOT squeezing the ultra thin plastic wrap around you. If it's not strong enough to squeeze around you tightly, then how can it possibly hold you down?
If you were to stretch the same plastic wrap over the top of the surface of the water in a swimming pool, then jump into the water directly in the center of the plastic, what would happen? We all know what happens, it squeezes all the way around you.
Now, this squeezing in the water is the same squeezing Scepti says the air pressure is supposed to do to keep you down.
Simple experiment debunking denspressure.

The reason for this is because the plastic is equalised with the atmosphere. You've created no pressure difference between the sheet.
A better way to look at it and proves my theory is a vacuum sealer bag, as they are known.
It's the same principle as what's being asked of in that description.
Place an object into the plastic bag and push as much air away out of the bag. As this happens, you can see the item (clothes for instance) become compressed by the atmospheric pressure.
That's all the proof anyone really needs to be fair but most will deny it because they want gravity and a spinning globe to be real and are desperate to keep it that way because somehow they believe it makes them smarter than the average bear...which it does not. It makes them more naive than they think they are.

BUT, that bit was just me having a dig.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 06:50:12 AM

Quote from: onebigmonkey on December 30, 2016, 05:52:47 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 04:42:26 AM

I'm sure rational people can now see that gravity is a complete and utter rigged up name to basically describe the true reality which is denpressure.
The clothes inside the (what's known as) vacuum pack are compressed by atmospheric pressure.
Now place a scale plate inside that plastic vacuum pack and see what happens to the scale.

No-one is denying that it is atmospheric pressure causing the vacuum pack to shrink. It's gravity that gives the atmosphere the weight to do that.

The other morning on my ride to work I encountered something that often happens - a temperature inversion - a layer of warm air capping dense cold air.

Did it suddenly get harder to pedal? Did I weigh more? Why did the cold air sink?

You keep harping on about gravity causing what I mention and when asked to explain gravity; you can't. You simply just say stuff like, " oh so you think Newton's wrong, do you?"
Or some crap like that.
Tell me how gravity causes what I've just explained.

You still need to explain:

2 objects, the same size and shape, made of different materials eg. lead and aluminium, fall at the same speed.

An object weighs the same regardless of the changing atmospheric pressure during the day.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 06:50:12 AM

Quote from: onebigmonkey on December 30, 2016, 05:52:47 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 04:42:26 AM

I'm sure rational people can now see that gravity is a complete and utter rigged up name to basically describe the true reality which is denpressure.
The clothes inside the (what's known as) vacuum pack are compressed by atmospheric pressure.
Now place a scale plate inside that plastic vacuum pack and see what happens to the scale.

No-one is denying that it is atmospheric pressure causing the vacuum pack to shrink. It's gravity that gives the atmosphere the weight to do that.

The other morning on my ride to work I encountered something that often happens - a temperature inversion - a layer of warm air capping dense cold air.

Did it suddenly get harder to pedal? Did I weigh more? Why did the cold air sink?

You keep harping on about gravity causing what I mention and when asked to explain gravity; you can't. You simply just say stuff like, " oh so you think Newton's wrong, do you?"
Or some crap like that.
Tell me how gravity causes what I've just explained.

By acting on the mass of air to make it weigh something.

Now explain temperature inversions and how it affected my weight.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 04:42:26 AM

I'm sure rational people can now see that gravity is a complete and utter rigged up name to basically describe the true reality which is denpressure.

Wrong again.

Nobody believes you, because you haven't actually performed any experiments that prove what you say to be true. Are we supposed to simply take your word for it? Wouldn't that be indoctrination?

Quote from: inquisitive on December 30, 2016, 07:55:15 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 06:50:12 AM

Quote from: onebigmonkey on December 30, 2016, 05:52:47 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 04:42:26 AM

I'm sure rational people can now see that gravity is a complete and utter rigged up name to basically describe the true reality which is denpressure.
The clothes inside the (what's known as) vacuum pack are compressed by atmospheric pressure.
Now place a scale plate inside that plastic vacuum pack and see what happens to the scale.

No-one is denying that it is atmospheric pressure causing the vacuum pack to shrink. It's gravity that gives the atmosphere the weight to do that.

The other morning on my ride to work I encountered something that often happens - a temperature inversion - a layer of warm air capping dense cold air.

Did it suddenly get harder to pedal? Did I weigh more? Why did the cold air sink?

You keep harping on about gravity causing what I mention and when asked to explain gravity; you can't. You simply just say stuff like, " oh so you think Newton's wrong, do you?"
Or some crap like that.
Tell me how gravity causes what I've just explained.

You still need to explain:

2 objects, the same size and shape, made of different materials eg. lead and aluminium, fall at the same speed.

An object weighs the same regardless of the changing atmospheric pressure during the day.

Let's see how long you last this time, in this name.

The answer is, they do NOT fall at the same speed. They appear to fall at the same speed because the test is done over a very short height and you know this.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 01:32:10 AM

Quote from: Boots on December 30, 2016, 01:11:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 01:01:23 AM

Quote from: IonSpen on December 29, 2016, 04:10:44 PM

I provided an easy, simple to demonstrate  experiment that proves Scepti's denspressure theory to be invalid. In which I was hoping to hear his thoughts on that. He always has an answer it seems, I will give him that..

What easy and simple to demonstrate experiment  is it, that you provided?

Quote from: IonSpen on December 28, 2016, 10:54:59 AM

Here's a pretty simple experiment to prove air pressure is NOT what keeps us down.
Use a large sheet (9 X 12) of the Super thin plastic sheeting, like the stuff used when painting to cover furniture, carpet, etc. Get the thinnest you can find. Now, drape that evenly over your head, and allow the excess to fall around you. Note that the miles of stacked atmosphere above is NOT squeezing the ultra thin plastic wrap around you. If it's not strong enough to squeeze around you tightly, then how can it possibly hold you down?
If you were to stretch the same plastic wrap over the top of the surface of the water in a swimming pool, then jump into the water directly in the center of the plastic, what would happen? We all know what happens, it squeezes all the way around you.
Now, this squeezing in the water is the same squeezing Scepti says the air pressure is supposed to do to keep you down.
Simple experiment debunking denspressure.

The reason for this is because the plastic is equalised with the atmosphere. You've created no pressure difference between the sheet.
A better way to look at it and proves my theory is a vacuum sealer bag, as they are known.
It's the same principle as what's being asked of in that description.
Place an object into the plastic bag and push as much air away out of the bag. As this happens, you can see the item (clothes for instance) become compressed by the atmospheric pressure.
That's all the proof anyone really needs to be fair but most will deny it because they want gravity and a spinning globe to be real and are desperate to keep it that way because somehow they believe it makes them smarter than the average bear...which it does not. It makes them more naive than they think they are.

BUT, that bit was just me having a dig.

You've just shown that atmospheric pushes in all directions equally. So again, no proof that pressure causes objects to fall.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 31, 2016, 04:47:37 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on December 30, 2016, 07:55:15 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 06:50:12 AM

Quote from: onebigmonkey on December 30, 2016, 05:52:47 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 30, 2016, 04:42:26 AM

I'm sure rational people can now see that gravity is a complete and utter rigged up name to basically describe the true reality which is denpressure.
The clothes inside the (what's known as) vacuum pack are compressed by atmospheric pressure.
Now place a scale plate inside that plastic vacuum pack and see what happens to the scale.

No-one is denying that it is atmospheric pressure causing the vacuum pack to shrink. It's gravity that gives the atmosphere the weight to do that.

The other morning on my ride to work I encountered something that often happens - a temperature inversion - a layer of warm air capping dense cold air.

Did it suddenly get harder to pedal? Did I weigh more? Why did the cold air sink?

You keep harping on about gravity causing what I mention and when asked to explain gravity; you can't. You simply just say stuff like, " oh so you think Newton's wrong, do you?"
Or some crap like that.
Tell me how gravity causes what I've just explained.

You still need to explain:

2 objects, the same size and shape, made of different materials eg. lead and aluminium, fall at the same speed.

An object weighs the same regardless of the changing atmospheric pressure during the day.

Let's see how long you last this time, in this name.

The answer is, they do NOT fall at the same speed. They appear to fall at the same speed because the test is done over a very short height and you know this.

They do fall at the same speed, measured accurately over a significant height.  Do you have proof this is not true, measurements and/or calculations.

And the weight remaining the same with changes in pressure?