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if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« on: September 08, 2016, 01:06:41 PM »
are you saying literally every god damn air pilot is faking/lying on where they are traveling? how do you explain private air pilots? are they also lying to themselfs? lmao
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2016, 02:41:48 PM »
They (Flat Earthers) don't have answer for this kind of questions, especially when there is an evidence, like in this case: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67732.0
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2016, 05:20:41 PM »
lmao

its impossible that the earth is flat because air travel wouldn't make any sense
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2016, 05:37:36 PM »
The world of a flat earther is a very strange place with many unsolved mysteries.

Part of me envies that. We rounders have to settle for being baffled by things like dark matter and the cause of the big bang. Flat earthers on the other hand can look at everyday things like the sunrise and airplanes and ships disappearing over the horizon with a child like wonder. Or they might be terrified by it and assume it's witchcraft.
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2016, 06:00:24 PM »
Long distance air travel flights in the southern hemisphere tend to make layovers in the northern hemisphere. 
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2016, 06:06:26 PM »
Quote from: crutonius on September 14, 2016, 05:37:36 PM
We rounders have to settle for being baffled by things like dark matter and the cause of the big bang.

Whats worse is that you accept those ideas as truth, like sheeple!
Actually pilots do not have to lie, they don't see a curve either.
Read this forum from pilots themselves!

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I am an airline pilot, and the highest I have been is 41000'. Can't say that I have noticed any curvature. Not that I have been specifically looking for it either though. I would also guess that one would have to be at least 20 miles up to notice a curve without any instruments.
Cheers.

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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2016, 07:14:05 PM »
Quote from: jroa on September 14, 2016, 06:00:24 PM
Long distance air travel flights in the southern hemisphere tend to make layovers in the northern hemisphere.
They do tend to go north, as that's where most travelers are.  However you can fly directly from continent to continent in the Southern Hemisphere.
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2016, 07:22:04 PM »
Quote from: Badxtoss on September 14, 2016, 07:14:05 PM
Quote from: jroa on September 14, 2016, 06:00:24 PM
Long distance air travel flights in the southern hemisphere tend to make layovers in the northern hemisphere.
They do tend to go north, as that's where most travelers are.  However you can fly directly from continent to continent in the Southern Hemisphere.

Acting.  Trickery.  Black magic.  They don't.  Take your pick. 
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2016, 08:30:54 PM »
Actually, they do.
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2016, 08:38:55 PM »
Quote from: CubeEarth on September 08, 2016, 01:06:41 PM
are you saying literally every god damn air pilot is faking/lying on where they are traveling?

Can't speak of all pilots in general, but, I wouldn't put much faith in the god damn ones.
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2016, 11:54:45 PM »
Quote from: N30 on September 14, 2016, 06:06:26 PM
Quote from: crutonius on September 14, 2016, 05:37:36 PM
We rounders have to settle for being baffled by things like dark matter and the cause of the big bang.

Whats worse is that you accept those ideas as truth, like sheeple!
Actually pilots do not have to lie, they don't see a curve either.
Read this forum from pilots themselves!

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I am an airline pilot, and the highest I have been is 41000'. Can't say that I have noticed any curvature. Not that I have been specifically looking for it either though. I would also guess that one would have to be at least 20 miles up to notice a curve without any instruments.
Cheers.

-topsy1970

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Hey I paid your worldview a compliment. There's a kind of fun from not knowing something.

I accept nothing anyone says as the gospel truth.  They're just ideas and I take them under advisement. I don't tend to trust someone's ideal until I've tried it myself.

I listen to science and see if I can make sense out it.  I listen to flatties and see if I can make sense out of it. The things that work I keep. The ideas that don't work I throw away.

You on the other hand.. A troll website has exploited your distrust of authority and used it to push a nonsensical conspiracy theory on you which you don't even have the balls to question.

Now who's the sheep.
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2016, 05:54:11 AM »
Quote from: jroa on September 14, 2016, 06:00:24 PM
Long distance air travel flights in the southern hemisphere tend to make layovers in the northern hemisphere.
Surely even you don't believe that rubbishany more!

;D Do you get paid well to pretend that you are completely ignorant, or do you do it for free!  ;D


FlightRadar24 - Flight QF28 Santiago to Sydney

QANTAS flies Sydney to/from Santiago every day. The west-east flight takes less time, by the way.

The distance via say Los Angeles would be over twice the distance. How would a 747 manage to do that in 13 hours 45 minutes?

Oh, I know they drug all the passengers and "wind" their watches back.


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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2016, 06:00:59 AM »
Quote from: N30 on September 14, 2016, 06:06:26 PM
Quote from: crutonius on September 14, 2016, 05:37:36 PM
We rounders have to settle for being baffled by things like dark matter and the cause of the big bang.

Whats worse is that you accept those ideas as truth, like sheeple!
Actually pilots do not have to lie, they don't see a curve either.
Read this forum from pilots themselves!

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I am an airline pilot, and the highest I have been is 41000'. Can't say that I have noticed any curvature. Not that I have been specifically looking for it either though. I would also guess that one would have to be at least 20 miles up to notice a curve without any instruments.
Cheers.

-topsy1970

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travelbuzz/633492-pilots-when-can-you-start-seeing-curvature-earth-sky-black.html

A bit more from the same source:
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Not a pilot, but...

The curvature of the Earth was visible on my Concorde flight, along with the darkness of the sky. It wasn't black but very dark blue. I have not been able to see either features on a normal flight up to 40k

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From a friend who was a military pilot, and from sources such as the many books I have read on the SR-71 and U-2 it can be said that this doesn't appear until you get up to 55K-60K feet........

The highest I have been is 41K on a 777 and I couldn't see anything but a flat horizon.
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2016, 06:25:28 AM »
Quote from: N30 on September 14, 2016, 06:06:26 PM
Quote from: crutonius on September 14, 2016, 05:37:36 PM
We rounders have to settle for being baffled by things like dark matter and the cause of the big bang.

Whats worse is that you accept those ideas as truth, like sheeple!
Actually pilots do not have to lie, they don't see a curve either.
Read this forum from pilots themselves!

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I am an airline pilot, and the highest I have been is 41000'. Can't say that I have noticed any curvature. Not that I have been specifically looking for it either though. I would also guess that one would have to be at least 20 miles up to notice a curve without any instruments.
Cheers.

-topsy1970

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travelbuzz/633492-pilots-when-can-you-start-seeing-curvature-earth-sky-black.html

How do you, Flat Earthers imagine seeing globe - earth horizon?
Imagine this:
You stand at a huge plain and you see the horizon. And... voila, this time you see this is round!! Exactly as a Flat Earher needs to see it. Now, take an imaginary pencil, and in your imagination start drawing a line along that line of that roumd horizon. After you came to the end of the picture, turn yourself 90 degrees to continue drawing that line. Continue turning yourself and drawing the line simultaneously. Where should you expect to see this line after turning and completing at 360 degrees?
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2016, 09:34:00 PM »
Quote from: Globetrotter on September 15, 2016, 06:25:28 AM
Now, take an imaginary pencil, and in your imagination start drawing a line along that line of that roumd horizon. After you came to the end of the picture, turn yourself 90 degrees to continue drawing that line. Continue turning yourself and drawing the line simultaneously. Where should you expect to see this line after turning and completing at 360 degrees?

In your imagination.
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2016, 09:48:56 PM »
Quote from: jroa on September 14, 2016, 07:22:04 PM
Quote from: Badxtoss on September 14, 2016, 07:14:05 PM
Quote from: jroa on September 14, 2016, 06:00:24 PM
Long distance air travel flights in the southern hemisphere tend to make layovers in the northern hemisphere.
They do tend to go north, as that's where most travelers are.  However you can fly directly from continent to continent in the Southern Hemisphere.
But you can go online now and buy a ticket.  So yeah they do.  I have a friend who has flown from South Africa to Sydney.  Direct flight.  And your response is black magic?  They lied?  How huge must that conspiracy be for your ideas to work?  How much magic must be involved?  Seriously?

Acting.  Trickery.  Black magic.  They don't.  Take your pick.
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2016, 10:48:11 PM »
One of our moderators is a pilot and engineer. He has supplied us with his pilots license as well. He has testified that he has never witnessed any evidence that showed the Earth to be round.

I suggest you go on a popular travel flight - start to play with different locations for your destination and departure. I think you'll be surprised with what you find. You may be up all night trying to prove it wrong.
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2016, 11:40:18 PM »
Quote from: John Davis on September 15, 2016, 10:48:11 PM
One of our moderators is a pilot and engineer. He has supplied us with his pilots license as well. He has testified that he has never witnessed any evidence that showed the Earth to be round.

I suggest you go on a popular travel flight - start to play with different locations for your destination and departure. I think you'll be surprised with what you find. You may be up all night trying to prove it wrong.
Provide some details that show the earth is not round.
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2016, 11:44:42 PM »
The petite experiment I allude to is in the wonderful book Flat Earth Clues. I'd hardly steal money from our good friend Mark Sargent's pocket.
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2016, 12:29:28 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on September 15, 2016, 11:44:42 PM
The petite experiment I allude to is in the wonderful book Flat Earth Clues. I'd hardly steal money from our good friend Mark Sargent's pocket.
you should provide recent verified evidence, not clues.
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2016, 01:48:30 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on September 15, 2016, 10:48:11 PM
One of our moderators is a pilot and engineer. He has supplied us with his pilots license as well. He has testified that he has never witnessed any evidence that showed the Earth to be round.

I suggest you go on a popular travel flight - start to play with different locations for your destination and departure. I think you'll be surprised with what you find. You may be up all night trying to prove it wrong.

I have looked at actual flights on the QANTAS and followed flights on Flightradar24.

I posted this earlier, but you just ignored it.

Are you accusing QANTAS, Flightradar24 and Flightaware of lying?
And are you claiming that the thousands of passengers the fly every week from Sydney to/from Santiago and from Sydney to/from Johannesburg of being deceived?


FlightRadar24 - Flight QF28 Santiago to Sydney

QANTAS flies Sydney to/from Santiago every day. The west-east flight takes less time, by the way.

The distance via say Los Angeles would be over twice the distance. A 747 could not possibly do that in13 hours 45 minutes?

There are also direct flights from South Africa to/from South America, though QANTAS does not fly those routes.

Please don't claim that these flights go via the Northern Hemisphere, that is simply not possible in actual time taken by those flights.
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2016, 04:55:35 AM »
Quote from: John Davis on September 15, 2016, 10:48:11 PM
One of our moderators is a pilot and engineer. He has supplied us with his pilots license as well. He has testified that he has never witnessed any evidence that showed the Earth to be round.
What, not even a sunset?

Are you going to name this moderator?
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2016, 07:41:44 AM »
Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on September 16, 2016, 04:55:35 AM
Quote from: John Davis on September 15, 2016, 10:48:11 PM
One of our moderators is a pilot and engineer. He has supplied us with his pilots license as well. He has testified that he has never witnessed any evidence that showed the Earth to be round.
What, not even a sunset?

Are you going to name this moderator?

I'm going to guess jroa in a bold plan to convince John Davis that he's a flat earther.
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2016, 07:56:04 AM »
Quote from: crutonius on September 16, 2016, 07:41:44 AM
Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on September 16, 2016, 04:55:35 AM
Quote from: John Davis on September 15, 2016, 10:48:11 PM
One of our moderators is a pilot and engineer. He has supplied us with his pilots license as well. He has testified that he has never witnessed any evidence that showed the Earth to be round.
What, not even a sunset?

Are you going to name this moderator?

I'm going to guess jroa in a bold plan to convince John Davis that he's a flat earther.

You'd be wrong.  Not only do we have at least one moderator claiming to be a pilot, but we have at least two other FE'ers who are not moderators who claim to be pilots of which I am aware.  Possibly many more of whom I am not aware.  They all say that you can not see the curvature of the Earth from a commercial aircraft. 
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2016, 08:03:39 AM »
And they are correct, because the earth is too big. What is your point?
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2016, 08:14:23 AM »
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on September 16, 2016, 08:03:39 AM
And they are correct, because the earth is too big. What is your point?

For anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence, it would seem that my point was that we have pilots on our side.  I am sorry you are either autistic or retarded so the conversation does not make sense to you.  Perhaps you need to lay off the booze while internetting? 
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2016, 08:18:37 AM »
OMG.you have 3 pilots. How many does that leave for the globe?
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« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2016, 08:28:51 AM »
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on September 16, 2016, 08:18:37 AM
OMG.you have 3 pilots. How many does that leave for the globe?

Probably less than most of the ones at the pilot's forum who say they have never seen the curvature of the Earth, dummy.  ::)
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« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2016, 08:29:55 AM »
Which makes sense, since you shouldn't be able too. The earth is just too damn big.
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Re: if earth is flat how do you explain air travel?
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2016, 08:43:29 AM »
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on September 16, 2016, 08:29:55 AM
Which makes sense, since you shouldn't be able too. The earth is just too damn big.

I will it to you, then, to inform all the noobs who say they have seen the curvature of the Earth from a commercial airplane.  Have fun. 
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