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The force that pulls us down.
« on: September 05, 2016, 09:02:52 AM »
If gravity does not pull us down what does?
Speedy Earth:What is giving earth the force that it needs to accelerate? it would need a constant force.
Buoyancy:this would also not work as buoyancy needs gravity to work,while gravity gives you weight and pulls you down buoyancy tries to rise you up.
lead in water would sink because its very dense so its heavier than water,while cotton or wood would float because they are less dense and lighter.
gravity causes weight.

Tell me is there is a other explanation or need me to elaborate. ;)
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Re: The force that pulls us down.
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2016, 09:05:11 AM »
If gravity was real, how comes I am not attracted to your mom?
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2016, 09:06:58 AM »
technically you are but the force is so small you would not feel it.
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Re: The force that pulls us down.
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2016, 02:10:47 PM »
Speedy Earth:What is giving earth the force that it needs to accelerate?
What is powering the expansion of your cosmology's universe at an ever increasing rate?
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2016, 02:14:39 PM »
Speedy Earth:What is giving earth the force that it needs to accelerate?
What is powering the expansion of your cosmology's universe at an ever increasing rate?

Velocity =/= Acceleration
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Re: The force that pulls us down.
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2016, 02:21:11 PM »
So celestial objects in the Orthodox universe receding at an ever increasing rate(velocity) is not an acceleration of expansion? ??? Silly me. I was still assuming that we define acceleration as a change of velocity...  ::)
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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2016, 02:41:29 PM »
« Last Edit: September 05, 2016, 02:44:17 PM by User324 »
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2016, 02:49:59 PM »
im sorry i did not do my research.
i should have come up with a better answer so i hope i can clear things up.
we dont actually know what force makes the expansion accelerate but it obviously has a force acting upon we like to call dark energy because we dont know it.(<--answer)
i aslo did not look at the question very well and i realize my mistake once again im sorry.
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Re: The force that pulls us down.
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2016, 03:01:08 PM »
A big bang might have caused an expansion, but fails to account for the varying rates (accleration) of the expansion.
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Re: The force that pulls us down.
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2016, 03:05:55 PM »
Still doesnt make the earth flat, does it?

Just shows how awesome science is and how much we already know and therefore not know. Incredible how much we can find out about the universe and what problems actually get discovered by that.
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Re: The force that pulls us down.
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2016, 03:22:41 PM »
I didn't say it made the earth flat. I simply asked an analogous question.
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Re: The force that pulls us down.
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2016, 08:07:35 PM »
I'll have better answers tomorrow its pretty late right now.
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Re: The force that pulls us down.
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2016, 09:46:39 PM »
A big bang might have caused an expansion, but fails to account for the varying rates (accleration) of the expansion.

Both big bang and expansion of the universe is mere a theory. Speed of the earth is FACT. In the universe, every acceleration needs additional energy, while constant speed - does not; there are even calculations that all satellites decelerate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_rotation

In fact, deceleration also requires additional energy, and here it is caused by many factors, like for example: gravity of the sun and neighboring planets, moons, etc. Here on earth we see this additional decelerating energy as friction, which decelerates all movement (negative energy).
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Re: The force that pulls us down.
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2016, 10:48:40 PM »
Speedy Earth:What is giving earth the force that it needs to accelerate?
What is powering the expansion of your cosmology's universe at an ever increasing rate?

The OP is very relevant to the shape of the earth, but conjectures about cosmology are not.

The Globe was well accepted long before there was any thought of an expanding universe.

You do so love to distract the debate by throwing in arguments about esoteric hypotheses that have no connection with the shape of the earth.

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Re: The force that pulls us down.
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2016, 11:18:50 PM »
If God does not created us who does? What is the meaning of this question for you if you are an atheist, it is same for us if gravity does not exist what does.

There is tens of probability to do that except gravity. Why is your reason of the source of your obsession about gravity?
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Re: The force that pulls us down.
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2016, 11:45:36 PM »
Speedy Earth:What is giving earth the force that it needs to accelerate?
What is powering the expansion of your cosmology's universe at an ever increasing rate?

The OP is very relevant to the shape of the earth, but conjectures about cosmology are not.

I simply asked an analogous question.
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Re: The force that pulls us down.
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2016, 12:06:31 AM »
A big bang might have caused an expansion, but fails to account for the varying rates (accleration) of the expansion.

Both big bang and expansion of the universe is mere a theory. Speed of the earth is FACT. In the universe, every acceleration needs additional energy, while constant speed - does not; there are even calculations that all satellites decelerate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_rotation

In fact, deceleration also requires additional energy, and here it is caused by many factors, like for example: gravity of the sun and neighboring planets, moons, etc. Here on earth we see this additional decelerating energy as friction, which decelerates all movement (negative energy).

Theory means: a model supported by evidence which makes testable predictions. The expansion of the universe is well documented and proven.

The factvthat we don't know what causes the accelerated expansion does not mean that it is not there.

We know what happens if we drop a hammer. Just because we don't know why gravity exists does not mean it doesn't exist.
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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2016, 12:24:54 AM »
The Orthodoxy must love to hear words like "proven" come out of your mouths about something so esoteric as the alleged expansion of the universe.
For the record,  while I don't particularly find the case for universal expansion compelling, nothing about my comment was meant to argue that it doesn't exist.
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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2016, 12:32:29 AM »
Let's get back on topic shall we? The topic, in case we forgot, is the force that pulls us down.

Universal Acceleration Theory (UA) stems from the equivalence principle. The flaw in this thinking is, for this principle to be applicable, one requires a uniform gravitational field. You have posited that additional forces act upon the earth that are  yet undiscovered. You call these forces "celestial gravity," and you claim these gravitational forces come from heavenly bodies.

Where is your evidence supporting this kind of thinking?

How does celestial gravity differ from Newtonian gravity?

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Re: The force that pulls us down.
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2016, 12:33:07 AM »
Speedy Earth:What is giving earth the force that it needs to accelerate?
What is powering the expansion of your cosmology's universe at an ever increasing rate?

The OP is very relevant to the shape of the earth, but conjectures about cosmology are not.

I simply asked an analogous question.
And quite irrelevant.

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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2016, 12:38:32 AM »
Speedy Earth:What is giving earth the force that it needs to accelerate?
What is powering the expansion of your cosmology's universe at an ever increasing rate?

The OP is very relevant to the shape of the earth, but conjectures about cosmology are not.

I simply asked an analogous question.
And quite irrelevant.
On the contrary, I believe it most relevant.

I'm also surprised to learn that Bill Nye of all people has never seen evidence of tidal forces. ::)
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Re: The force that pulls us down.
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2016, 01:46:32 AM »
Speedy Earth:What is giving earth the force that it needs to accelerate?
What is powering the expansion of your cosmology's universe at an ever increasing rate?

The OP is very relevant to the shape of the earth, but conjectures about cosmology are not.

I simply asked an analogous question.
And quite irrelevant.
On the contrary, I believe it most relevant.

I'm also surprised to learn that Bill Nye of all people has never seen evidence of tidal forces. ::)
And what has the "Big Bang" and the "Expanding Universe" to do with the "shape of the earth"?

As I have stated numerous times the "shape of the earth" was well accepted long before the was any thought of those.

All the old astronomers,
Ptolemy, Al-Biruni, Copernicus, Brahe, Galileo, Kepler, Huygens and Cassini, to name a few, were in no doubt that we lived on a Globe.

As far as my imperfect knowledge goes, none of these had any thought of a "Big Bang" or an "Expanding Universe" .

Sort out the basics first, then the more difficult things might fall into place.

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Re: The force that pulls us down.
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2016, 02:32:25 AM »
Speedy Earth:What is giving earth the force that it needs to accelerate?
What is powering the expansion of your cosmology's universe at an ever increasing rate?

The OP is very relevant to the shape of the earth, but conjectures about cosmology are not.

I simply asked an analogous question.
And quite irrelevant.
On the contrary, I believe it most relevant.

I'm also surprised to learn that Bill Nye of all people has never seen evidence of tidal forces. ::)
And what has the "Big Bang" and the "Expanding Universe" to do with the "shape of the earth"?

As I have stated numerous times the "shape of the earth" was well accepted long before the was any thought of those.

All the old astronomers,
Ptolemy, Al-Biruni, Copernicus, Brahe, Galileo, Kepler, Huygens and Cassini, to name a few, were in no doubt that we lived on a Globe.

As far as my imperfect knowledge goes, none of these had any thought of a "Big Bang" or an "Expanding Universe" .

Sort out the basics first, then the more difficult things might fall into place.

Exactly.  We learn to crawl before we can run.

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Re: The force that pulls us down.
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2016, 04:33:08 AM »
If God does not created us who does? What is the meaning of this question for you if you are an atheist, it is same for us if gravity does not exist what does.

There is tens of probability to do that except gravity. Why is your reason of the source of your obsession about gravity?

Our obsession is SCIENTIFIC REFERENCES. These references also discard other theories.
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« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2016, 04:52:02 AM »
The Orthodoxy must love to hear words like "proven" come out of your mouths about something so esoteric as the alleged expansion of the universe.
For the record,  while I don't particularly find the case for universal expansion compelling, nothing about my comment was meant to argue that it doesn't exist.

Who is this 'Orthodoxy'?
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« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2016, 05:16:00 AM »
If God does not created us who does? What is the meaning of this question for you if you are an atheist, it is same for us if gravity does not exist what does.

There is tens of probability to do that except gravity. Why is your reason of the source of your obsession about gravity?

Our obsession is SCIENTIFIC REFERENCES. These references also discard other theories.

scientific facts must be observable and repeatable. You are talking about gravitation but nobody see the "gravitional particles" but you are claiming it as an scientific reality. No it is just a theory that we don't need to believe it.

As we know that science for scientist meaning of "explaining something except contain a word about God".

For example. I'm believing the sky is blue because God want it to be blue. Actually God created to "water" as very little blue. Sky is water, water is blue so sky is blue. Science knows the sky is blue but can't say "sky blue because it is created as blue" because "creation" comes from God. So the answer is why is the sky blue is: "because of the light refraction". Science using some terms instead of God for explain some matter can't explained by scientific way and using it as science. Gravity is one of them.

Why we have weight? Because of the gravitation. How is it occur? because "gravitional particles attract each other". So where is the "gravitional particles"? No answer. The possible answer is: "They are at there we feel but we can't see it". So what is difference with explaining something with God's want. There is no difference. It is just a free will free choice.

When science making mistake, then using another lie to defend other lie. For example , "if there is gravitation real, why falling down objects can't go over the speed as estimated? Answer: Because of air resistance.

Look the free falling down test of Felix. Lets calculate it together.

It was 39000 metres high and the top speed of 1342 kms/h speed.

Now lets calculate the estimated speed for 39.000 metres: V2=2gh ; V=(about)= square (2*10*39.000) = 883 m/sec =  3.178 km/h

It is estimated as 3.178 km/h but occurred as 1.342 kms. Then we accept the loss rate as air friction but why don't we accept as "the formula is wrong".

Fall down a ball from a bridge and you'll see it will not fall at the time you calculated. And you'll say it as "air friction". Yes i accept the air friction but it is not a lot of as estimated.

Actually air friction never calculated as with the observation. When do you mistake on a experiment, then give all of mistakes to air friction. Then it is true your result but actually you found the mistake of your formula and corrected it. It is wrong. The formula is wrong so you need something as air friction to correct your formula.
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« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2016, 05:21:07 AM »
Since the Mad Turk has put me on his ignore list, can someone tell him to google the term 'terminal velocity'?
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« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2016, 05:24:20 AM »
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It is estimated as 3.178 km/h but occurred as 1.342 kms. Then we accept the loss rate as air friction but why don't we accept as "the formula is wrong".

Air resistance maybe?

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« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2016, 05:29:54 AM »
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It is estimated as 3.178 km/h but occurred as 1.342 kms. Then we accept the loss rate as air friction but why don't we accept as "the formula is wrong".

Air resistance maybe?

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For example. I'm believing the sky is blue because God want it to be blue
I believe you are dumb because god wanted you to be dumb.

You don't understand what i mean because your iq is insufficient to understand me. I mean air resistance is a correcting lie of gravitation formula. You can correct all of wrong formulas with correct it with another formula.

This means gravitional formula is not true but you can't understand it and i don't know how can i explain it. because i can't fall  down to a certain level you can understand it.
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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2016, 05:31:49 AM »
Hold your hand out of the car at 100mph.

Tell me about the "Lie called air resistance" again.
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