Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?

Quote from: sokarul on August 30, 2016, 08:27:11 AM

Their position moves. It's a well known property of waves. Sound waves can do it too.

And it cannot apply to the sun since there is only one sun.

The sun is not 92.96 million miles away

That is a pretty crappy solar filter. Notice how the actual sun stays the same size, but the glare gets smaller because the atmosphere filters it out. So tell me, how does the sun stay the same size?

Quote from: Silicon on August 30, 2016, 08:30:48 AM

Quote from: sokarul on August 30, 2016, 08:27:11 AM

Their position moves. It's a well known property of waves. Sound waves can do it too.

And it cannot apply to the sun since there is only one sun.

The sun is not 92.96 million miles away

That is a pretty crappy solar filter. Notice how the actual sun stays the same size, but the glare gets smaller because the atmosphere filters it out. So tell me, how does the sun stay the same size?

Deny it all you want but the sun does not stay the same size. A solar filter was used, disc is clearly defined, and a comparison is shown very clearly. So tell me how does it feel knowing the sun is not 92.96 million miles away?

"The disc is very clearly defined"

No it is not. Take a look at those pictures. The disk is not clearly defined.

(@silicon)
Sometimes I wonder if people are seriously retarded or just trolling.

"The disc is very clearly defined"

No it is not. Take a look at those pictures. The disk is not clearly defined.

Yes they are get your eyes checked.

Is this a joke? Do people still seriously believe we live on a ball?

Repeat the experiment but this time use a proper solar filter designed for astronomical use. Then come back to us.

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 30, 2016, 09:46:15 AM

Quote from: Silicon on August 30, 2016, 08:30:48 AM

Quote from: sokarul on August 30, 2016, 08:27:11 AM

Their position moves. It's a well known property of waves. Sound waves can do it too.

And it cannot apply to the sun since there is only one sun.

The sun is not 92.96 million miles away

That is a pretty crappy solar filter. Notice how the actual sun stays the same size, but the glare gets smaller because the atmosphere filters it out. So tell me, how does the sun stay the same size?

Deny it all you want but the sun does not stay the same size. A solar filter was used, disc is clearly defined, and a comparison is shown very clearly. So tell me how does it feel knowing the sun is not 92.96 million miles away?

What time in the video shows the sun shrinking to 1/4th it's size?

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 30, 2016, 11:12:01 AM

"The disc is very clearly defined"

No it is not. Take a look at those pictures. The disk is not clearly defined.

Yes they are get your eyes checked.

Is this a joke? Do people still seriously believe we live on a ball?

A real solar filter would make the sun look like this:


come back with a real solar filter.

Quote from: zork on August 30, 2016, 01:33:57 AM

Quote from: zork on August 27, 2016, 02:28:19 PM

Quote from: Silicon on August 27, 2016, 02:22:21 PM

Quote from: zork on August 27, 2016, 01:42:09 PM

Quote from: Silicon on August 27, 2016, 01:23:55 PM

Quote from: zork on August 27, 2016, 01:20:24 PM

@silicon, @djhives. I don't have very good imagination and as you argue flat earth but have not yet covered sunset thing then maybe you can help. Or even sandokhan as he puts up wall of texts but I quite haven't seen this topic came up from him.  Can anyone please draw me picture how light moves from sun to the observer at sunset. Observer stands at twilight zone and clouds above his head are illuminated. Is it possible to draw it?

Is this the one where clouds are lit from underneath at sunset

Underneath and when not underneath then big cumulus clouds so that lower part is clearly in shadow and upper part is illuminated by sunlight. Something like that http://weatherpix.photoshelter.com/image/I00006R4L.JUlOQg

I really don't know where to start with this, light and our perception, in a situation as you have shown in this picture with no frame of reference, is so convoluted how does this prove anything

I don't quite want to prove anything. Its just that in round earth model it is explained very simply but no one has ever given any simple explanation in flat earth model. It just happens and no one ever thinks about it. But I really would like to see how it works on flat earth model and if I even can somehow observe it with things in hand. Like lamp and table and some clouds made of cotton. I am quite frustrated with my inablity to imagine this thing.

Nothing yet? Very simple thing but absolutely no ideas how it may work in FE model.

The sun is close, somewhere around 3k miles away from the earth and rotates around in a circle of the motionless earth beneath your feet.  As the sun moves away from you it recedes into the distance (sunset)  and appears to converge with the horizon at the apex of your perspective, different phenomena  occur such as the sun's colors, size, and effects of light due to many factors in the increased density of air, humidity, gases, etc  close to the earths surface. Very simple.

  So, you are unable to draw simple picture for demonstration purposes how light moves from sun to the place where observer is so that it makes sense? To the underside of the clouds or to the upper part of clouds. Or some demonstration video... table, lamp, cotton clouds? You can make even the dumbest person to understand when you use visualization and not just some vague explanations like - different phenomena. Which doesn't say or explain anything.

Quote from: Silicon on August 30, 2016, 11:27:14 AM

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 30, 2016, 11:12:01 AM

"The disc is very clearly defined"

No it is not. Take a look at those pictures. The disk is not clearly defined.

Yes they are get your eyes checked.

Is this a joke? Do people still seriously believe we live on a ball?

A real solar filter would make the sun look like this:


come back with a real solar filter.

Oh Gee, you globe earth believers never cease to amaze me in your apparent disregard for all the evidence provided to you.  If I come back and show this color of sun you will just claim it's fake like you do everything else.

Quote from: Silicon on August 30, 2016, 07:41:21 AM

Quote from: zork on August 30, 2016, 01:33:57 AM

Quote from: zork on August 27, 2016, 02:28:19 PM

Quote from: Silicon on August 27, 2016, 02:22:21 PM

Quote from: zork on August 27, 2016, 01:42:09 PM

Quote from: Silicon on August 27, 2016, 01:23:55 PM

Quote from: zork on August 27, 2016, 01:20:24 PM

@silicon, @djhives. I don't have very good imagination and as you argue flat earth but have not yet covered sunset thing then maybe you can help. Or even sandokhan as he puts up wall of texts but I quite haven't seen this topic came up from him.  Can anyone please draw me picture how light moves from sun to the observer at sunset. Observer stands at twilight zone and clouds above his head are illuminated. Is it possible to draw it?

Is this the one where clouds are lit from underneath at sunset

Underneath and when not underneath then big cumulus clouds so that lower part is clearly in shadow and upper part is illuminated by sunlight. Something like that http://weatherpix.photoshelter.com/image/I00006R4L.JUlOQg

I really don't know where to start with this, light and our perception, in a situation as you have shown in this picture with no frame of reference, is so convoluted how does this prove anything

I don't quite want to prove anything. Its just that in round earth model it is explained very simply but no one has ever given any simple explanation in flat earth model. It just happens and no one ever thinks about it. But I really would like to see how it works on flat earth model and if I even can somehow observe it with things in hand. Like lamp and table and some clouds made of cotton. I am quite frustrated with my inablity to imagine this thing.

Nothing yet? Very simple thing but absolutely no ideas how it may work in FE model.

The sun is close, somewhere around 3k miles away from the earth and rotates around in a circle of the motionless earth beneath your feet.  As the sun moves away from you it recedes into the distance (sunset)  and appears to converge with the horizon at the apex of your perspective, different phenomena  occur such as the sun's colors, size, and effects of light due to many factors in the increased density of air, humidity, gases, etc  close to the earths surface. Very simple.

  So, you are unable to draw simple picture for demonstration purposes how light moves from sun to the place where observer is so that it makes sense? To the underside of the clouds or to the upper part of clouds. Or some demonstration video... table, lamp, cotton clouds? You can make even the dumbest person to understand when you use visualization and not just some vague explanations like - different phenomena. Which doesn't say or explain anything.

Unwilling. If you want to know more information about how light can work in the atmosphere on a FE I can point you to about a dozen threads here debating the topic to nausium.  Do you have any verifiable evidence to prove we live on a globe?

Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 03:22:02 PM

Quote from: TotesReptilian on August 24, 2016, 03:19:37 PM

Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 02:56:46 PM

I have yet to find a single verifiable proof of this anywhere.

Would you like me to prove that it is a ball first, or that it is spinning first? Take your pick. Generally it is a lot easier to prove that it is a ball first, then spinning second. I like a good challenge though.

Whatever you shape shifting reptiles think is best 

Alrighty, I'll start with the shape first. Maybe I'll do it in the reverse order some other time.

The existence of the South Celestial Pole proves the earth is round.

The angle of the sun in the sky proves the earth is round, and that the sun is very far away.

This should be enough to start with.

If the sun were 93 million miiles away, there would be no fluctuation in temperature during the daytime.

The predictability of eclipses is evidence of a spinning ball.

With our current understanding of the Moon's orbit, we can predict where and when a solar eclipse will be visible. The fact that our model can be used with such accuracy is evidence enough of roundness.

I have yet to see any FE MODEL that can predict when and where a solar eclipse will be visible.

Unwilling. If you want to know more information about how light can work in the atmosphere on a FE I can point you to about a dozen threads here debating the topic to nausium.  Do you have any verifiable evidence to prove we live on a globe?

  Debating... but no one can figure such a simple thing like out how light moves during sunset. Why? Take a pen and paper. Draw sun to some far corner of the paper and start drawing. Can't even do that? First step is to visualize how things are outside and then we can look at it and start thinking. Hmm, how is this kind of situation possible? And sure, I have verifiable evidence that we live on a globe and all of them are discussed in this forum so I point you(like you pointed) some hundreds of threads here where they are/were discussed. 

The predictability of eclipses is evidence of a spinning ball.

With our current understanding of the Moon's orbit, we can predict where and when a solar eclipse will be visible. The fact that our model can be used with such accuracy is evidence enough of roundness.

I have yet to see any FE MODEL that can predict when and where a solar eclipse will be visible.

Can your model explain a full moon during the day time? Maybe Zork can draw us a picture of how that works

You can never see a full moon during the day. Only a waxing or waning gibbous. Check you facts first. Here is a farmers almanac article about it:

link

I assume you don't think that every farmer in the world is lying, so hopefully you will take their word for it.

You can never see a full moon during the day. Only a waxing or waning gibbous. Check you facts first. Here is a farmers almanac article about it:

link

I assume you don't think that every farmer in the world is lying, so hopefully you will take their word for it.

I have seen a full moon during the day, and so have many others. If you say it's not full only 99% so what, I want you to draw me a picture of how a 99% full moon appears during the day.

Your link doesn't talk about the issue but links to another page. Let me post this complete bullshit for you:

"It’s only as the Moon gets close to its quarter phases that the conditions are ideal for it to be seen during the day. That is, it is bright enough, far enough away from the Sun to be seen, and rises or sets during daylight hours. When all of these conditions come together, and when the sky is clear enough, the Moon becomes visible during the daytime."

Well, I did the math, and the moon would need to be 1.05 degrees away from a full moon for someone to see it in the day. So it would be 179/180ths of a full moon. Or 99.5% of a full moon. Illustration down below (NOT TO SCALE)

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 30, 2016, 03:03:00 PM

You can never see a full moon during the day. Only a waxing or waning gibbous. Check you facts first. Here is a farmers almanac article about it:

link

I assume you don't think that every farmer in the world is lying, so hopefully you will take their word for it.

I have seen a full moon during the day, and so have many others. If you say it's not full only 99% so what, I want you to draw me a picture of how a 99% full moon appears during the day.

Your link doesn't talk about the issue but links to another page. Let me post this complete bullshit for you:

"It’s only as the Moon gets close to its quarter phases that the conditions are ideal for it to be seen during the day. That is, it is bright enough, far enough away from the Sun to be seen, and rises or sets during daylight hours. When all of these conditions come together, and when the sky is clear enough, the Moon becomes visible during the daytime."

You nor anybody else has seen a full moon during the day.

That is beside the point. Can you use your model to accurately predict where on earth the next solar eclipse would be visible? I thought not.

Quote from: TotesReptilian on August 24, 2016, 03:38:23 PM

Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 03:22:02 PM

Quote from: TotesReptilian on August 24, 2016, 03:19:37 PM

Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 02:56:46 PM

I have yet to find a single verifiable proof of this anywhere.

Would you like me to prove that it is a ball first, or that it is spinning first? Take your pick. Generally it is a lot easier to prove that it is a ball first, then spinning second. I like a good challenge though.

Whatever you shape shifting reptiles think is best 

Alrighty, I'll start with the shape first. Maybe I'll do it in the reverse order some other time.

The existence of the South Celestial Pole proves the earth is round.

The angle of the sun in the sky proves the earth is round, and that the sun is very far away.

This should be enough to start with.

If the sun were 93 million miiles away, there would be no fluctuation in temperature during the daytime.

Only if you ignore angle of incidence.

Well, I did the math, and the moon would need to be 1.05 degrees away from a full moon for someone to see it in the day. So it would be 179/180ths of a full moon. Or 99.5% of a full moon. Illustration down below (NOT TO SCALE)

Nice drawing. Would you mind adding shadows for earth and moon. Showing their illuminated sides

Sure. Here is the updated picture. (Earth looks bad because MSPaint sucks)

Quote from: TotesReptilian on August 24, 2016, 03:38:23 PM

Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 03:22:02 PM

Quote from: TotesReptilian on August 24, 2016, 03:19:37 PM

Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 02:56:46 PM

I have yet to find a single verifiable proof of this anywhere.

Would you like me to prove that it is a ball first, or that it is spinning first? Take your pick. Generally it is a lot easier to prove that it is a ball first, then spinning second. I like a good challenge though.

Whatever you shape shifting reptiles think is best 

Alrighty, I'll start with the shape first. Maybe I'll do it in the reverse order some other time.

The existence of the South Celestial Pole proves the earth is round.

The angle of the sun in the sky proves the earth is round, and that the sun is very far away.

This should be enough to start with.

If the sun were 93 million miiles away, there would be no fluctuation in temperature during the daytime.

Serious?  Have you ever been to school... and passed?

I would say the video is proper.
It clearly shows the same size of the Sun all the time.
And the sinking of the Sun behind the horizon.

Like in this one:
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sweden
or this one:
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Africa

But the best is to see it for yourself, outside.
(Looking at the Sun directly with naked eye can be dangerous...)

The easiest way is to get cheap welding mask from Lowe's (wearable is better than hand-held), a calliper,
and some ruler or stick to keep your callliper at same distance from dark glass of the mask.

Then measure vertical and horizontal size of the Sun the whole day and see it is not changing.

Quote from: TheRealBillNye on August 30, 2016, 02:30:32 PM

The predictability of eclipses is evidence of a spinning ball.

With our current understanding of the Moon's orbit, we can predict where and when a solar eclipse will be visible. The fact that our model can be used with such accuracy is evidence enough of roundness.

I have yet to see any FE MODEL that can predict when and where a solar eclipse will be visible.

Can your model explain a full moon during the day time? Maybe Zork can draw us a picture of how that works

Its not actually full moon but sure, internet is full of explanations and you can find thousands of pictures about them. For example in this thread . But I fail to find even one for my question. So how about it? Or I just drop my question and accept that you are a failure and your FE model is BS because you totally fail to visualize one simple aspect of it.

Quote from: Silicon on August 30, 2016, 02:53:05 PM

Quote from: TheRealBillNye on August 30, 2016, 02:30:32 PM

The predictability of eclipses is evidence of a spinning ball.

With our current understanding of the Moon's orbit, we can predict where and when a solar eclipse will be visible. The fact that our model can be used with such accuracy is evidence enough of roundness.

I have yet to see any FE MODEL that can predict when and where a solar eclipse will be visible.

Can your model explain a full moon during the day time? Maybe Zork can draw us a picture of how that works

Its not actually full moon but sure, internet is full of explanations and you can find thousands of pictures about them. For example in this thread . But I fail to find even one for my question. So how about it? Or I just drop my question and accept that you are a failure and your FE model is BS because you totally fail to visualize one simple aspect of it.

I even made a visualization a few posts ago 

Quote from: zork on August 30, 2016, 10:42:00 PM

Quote from: Silicon on August 30, 2016, 02:53:05 PM

Quote from: TheRealBillNye on August 30, 2016, 02:30:32 PM

The predictability of eclipses is evidence of a spinning ball.

With our current understanding of the Moon's orbit, we can predict where and when a solar eclipse will be visible. The fact that our model can be used with such accuracy is evidence enough of roundness.

I have yet to see any FE MODEL that can predict when and where a solar eclipse will be visible.

Can your model explain a full moon during the day time? Maybe Zork can draw us a picture of how that works

Its not actually full moon but sure, internet is full of explanations and you can find thousands of pictures about them. For example in this thread . But I fail to find even one for my question. So how about it? Or I just drop my question and accept that you are a failure and your FE model is BS because you totally fail to visualize one simple aspect of it.

I even made a visualization a few posts ago 

I saw and it was very nice. It clearly shows how easy it is to visualize round earth but how impossible hard it is to visualize falt one.

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 30, 2016, 11:12:01 AM

"The disc is very clearly defined"

No it is not. Take a look at those pictures. The disk is not clearly defined.

Yes they are get your eyes checked.

Is this a joke? Do people still seriously believe we live on a ball?

Bullshit. That's a useless filter. Seriously, it's probably the worst I have ever seen. Underexposing would do a better job. Get a proper filter. Also, it's still the same size, just slightly different shape, due to refraction.

Quote from: sokarul on August 30, 2016, 08:27:11 AM

Their position moves. It's a well known property of waves. Sound waves can do it too.

And it cannot apply to the sun since there is only one sun.

The sun is not 92.96 million miles away

And why do you say the "sun is not 92.96 million miles away"? Have you measured it? Others have!

Have a look at the photos in this post, taken by a Flat Earther, I might add!

The Constancy of the Angular size of the Sun « on: August 24, 2016, 08:12:47 PM »

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 30, 2016, 03:03:00 PM

You can never see a full moon during the day. Only a waxing or waning gibbous. Check you facts first. Here is a farmers almanac article about it:

link

I assume you don't think that every farmer in the world is lying, so hopefully you will take their word for it.

I have seen a full moon during the day, and so have many others. If you say it's not full only 99% so what, I want you to draw me a picture of how a 99% full moon appears during the day.

Your link doesn't talk about the issue but links to another page. Let me post this complete bullshit for you:

"It’s only as the Moon gets close to its quarter phases that the conditions are ideal for it to be seen during the day. That is, it is bright enough, far enough away from the Sun to be seen, and rises or sets during daylight hours. When all of these conditions come together, and when the sky is clear enough, the Moon becomes visible during the daytime."

Sure I can.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yifc9lfptnpwc1e/Screen%20Shot%202016-08-31%20at%204.37.55%20PM.png?dl=0

Anything else?