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Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« on: August 24, 2016, 02:56:46 PM »
I have yet to find a single verifiable proof of this anywhere.
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2016, 02:59:29 PM »
Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 02:56:46 PM
I have yet to find a single verifiable proof of this anywhere.

No.
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2016, 03:12:06 PM »
My teacher and NASA said so. 
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2016, 03:19:37 PM »
Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 02:56:46 PM
I have yet to find a single verifiable proof of this anywhere.

Would you like me to prove that it is a ball first, or that it is spinning first? Take your pick. Generally it is a lot easier to prove that it is a ball first, then spinning second. I like a good challenge though.

Quote from: totallackey on August 24, 2016, 02:59:29 PM
No.

What sicko decided that a marquee tag would be a good idea???
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2016, 03:22:02 PM »
Quote from: TotesReptilian on August 24, 2016, 03:19:37 PM
Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 02:56:46 PM
I have yet to find a single verifiable proof of this anywhere.

Would you like me to prove that it is a ball first, or that it is spinning first? Take your pick. Generally it is a lot easier to prove that it is a ball first, then spinning second. I like a good challenge though.

Quote from: totallackey on August 24, 2016, 02:59:29 PM
No.

What sicko decided that a marquee tag would be a good idea???
Whatever you shape shifting reptiles think is best  :D
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2016, 03:38:23 PM »
Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 03:22:02 PM
Quote from: TotesReptilian on August 24, 2016, 03:19:37 PM
Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 02:56:46 PM
I have yet to find a single verifiable proof of this anywhere.

Would you like me to prove that it is a ball first, or that it is spinning first? Take your pick. Generally it is a lot easier to prove that it is a ball first, then spinning second. I like a good challenge though.
Whatever you shape shifting reptiles think is best  :D

Alrighty, I'll start with the shape first. Maybe I'll do it in the reverse order some other time.

The existence of the South Celestial Pole proves the earth is round.

The angle of the sun in the sky proves the earth is round, and that the sun is very far away.

This should be enough to start with.
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2016, 04:30:43 PM »
Quote from: TotesReptilian on August 24, 2016, 03:38:23 PM
Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 03:22:02 PM
Quote from: TotesReptilian on August 24, 2016, 03:19:37 PM
Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 02:56:46 PM
I have yet to find a single verifiable proof of this anywhere.

Would you like me to prove that it is a ball first, or that it is spinning first? Take your pick. Generally it is a lot easier to prove that it is a ball first, then spinning second. I like a good challenge though.
Whatever you shape shifting reptiles think is best  :D

Alrighty, I'll start with the shape first. Maybe I'll do it in the reverse order some other time.

The existence of the South Celestial Pole proves the earth is round.

The angle of the sun in the sky proves the earth is round, and that the sun is very far away.

This should be enough to start with.

The existence of the South Celestial Pole proves the earth cannot be a ball in that same thread as sandokhan pointed out.  No proof here

Rabinoz's calculations for the circumference of the earth (The circumference can be calculated from (distance from Vaupes) * 360°/(angle difference of sun from Vaupes))  and based entirely on what I claim are fictitious globe numbers.  Also I see it could be possible the sun rises and falls in elevation on a flat earth. So no proof here either.
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2016, 06:23:49 PM »
Read this article.
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2016, 06:32:11 PM »
Solar eclipse, the Star field behind the eclipsed of the sun, is the Star field that would be seen in six months, as opposed to the Star field that is seen that night. This indicates the orbit around the sun. With a lunar eclipse there is no change with the Star field. The moon orbiting Earth and the spin of the earth.
There are three motions involved to have an eclipse.
One the orbit of earth around the sun.
Two the spin of the earth.
Three the orbit of the Moon around the earth.
When the moon intervenes with the sun a small shadow Falls on the earth, Solar eclipse.
When the moon moves into Earth shadow you have a lunar eclipse.
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2016, 06:38:15 PM »
Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 04:30:43 PM
Quote from: TotesReptilian on August 24, 2016, 03:38:23 PM
Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 03:22:02 PM
Quote from: TotesReptilian on August 24, 2016, 03:19:37 PM
Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 02:56:46 PM
I have yet to find a single verifiable proof of this anywhere.

Would you like me to prove that it is a ball first, or that it is spinning first? Take your pick. Generally it is a lot easier to prove that it is a ball first, then spinning second. I like a good challenge though.
Whatever you shape shifting reptiles think is best  :D

Alrighty, I'll start with the shape first. Maybe I'll do it in the reverse order some other time.

The existence of the South Celestial Pole proves the earth is round.

The angle of the sun in the sky proves the earth is round, and that the sun is very far away.

This should be enough to start with.

The existence of the South Celestial Pole proves the earth cannot be a ball in that same thread as sandokhan pointed out.  No proof here

Are you referring to when he says "divergent path of the stars at the equator (angular distance between stars varies; this could not happen on a spherical earth)" from his panoramic photos?

As I stated numerous times, the angular distance between stars is constant. It is trivially easy for anyone to verify this, including you. Just because they look like they are not parallel in a photo doesn't mean they are not parallel in real life.

That being said, they're apparent location can change slightly due to refraction, especially near the horizon. This is why mountain top observatories are so common. This is completely in line with what we would expect on a round earth.

Edit: Also notice that sandokhan never actually gave an explanation of how the SCP works in his model. All he did was spam the thread with his off topic copy-pasta, presumably to try to get us to forget that his model doesn't have an explanation for the SCP.

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Rabinoz's calculations for the circumference of the earth (The circumference can be calculated from (distance from Vaupes) * 360°/(angle difference of sun from Vaupes))  and based entirely on what I claim are fictitious globe numbers.  Also I see it could be possible the sun rises and falls in elevation on a flat earth. So no proof here either.

His calculations for different heights of the sun were all done for the exact same time. Are you implying that the sun can be at multiple locations at once?

As for the "fictitious globe numbers", does it ever get tiring claiming that every bit of data that disproves your theory is automatically fake? Fine, whatever. What are some distances that you don't think are fake? This calculation can be done anywhere on earth. The math is a bit more complicated if they aren't all at the same longitude, but it is doable. I'll do it myself, just for you. Just give me the locations and distances.
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2016, 07:03:18 PM »
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2016, 07:54:59 PM »
Quote from: MouseWalker on August 24, 2016, 06:32:11 PM
Solar eclipse, the Star field behind the eclipsed of the sun, is the Star field that would be seen in six months, as opposed to the Star field that is seen that night. This indicates the orbit around the sun. With a lunar eclipse there is no change with the Star field. The moon orbiting Earth and the spin of the earth.
There are three motions involved to have an eclipse.
One the orbit of earth around the sun.
Two the spin of the earth.
Three the orbit of the Moon around the earth.
When the moon intervenes with the sun a small shadow Falls on the earth, Solar eclipse.
When the moon moves into Earth shadow you have a lunar eclipse.

These are observations of celestial bodies, and FE has an explanation for these.  As far as the star field, a long debate has been raised among the historians on its validity
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2016, 09:28:50 PM »
Quote from: TotesReptilian on August 24, 2016, 03:38:23 PM
Alrighty, I'll start with the shape first. Maybe I'll do it in the reverse order some other time.

The existence of the South Celestial Pole proves the earth is round.
The angle of the sun in the sky proves the earth is round, and that the sun is very far away.

This should be enough to start with.

Are you really that lazy?

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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2016, 09:32:06 PM »
Quote from: Bullwinkle on August 24, 2016, 09:28:50 PM
Quote from: TotesReptilian on August 24, 2016, 03:38:23 PM
Alrighty, I'll start with the shape first. Maybe I'll do it in the reverse order some other time.

The existence of the South Celestial Pole proves the earth is round.
The angle of the sun in the sky proves the earth is round, and that the sun is very far away.

This should be enough to start with.

Are you really that lazy?

No, I'm not lazy. What's the problem?
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2016, 10:57:55 PM »
Quote from: TotesReptilian on August 24, 2016, 06:38:15 PM
I'll do it myself, just for you.

You must be knew here.
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2016, 11:05:56 PM »
Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 24, 2016, 10:57:55 PM
Quote from: TotesReptilian on August 24, 2016, 06:38:15 PM
I'll do it myself, just for you.

You must be knew here.

I find it more likely that people will give you what you ask for if you offer to run half the race for them. Although he still seems to be ignoring the offer. He must really want to avoid seeing the evidence he asked for.
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2016, 11:10:32 PM »
Ground distances are measured and known.
Summer solstice, ground speed of sub-solar point along Tropic of Cancer (roughly 950 mph).
Winter solstice, same ground speed of sub-soalr point along Tropic of Capricorn (roughly 950 mph).

On Flat Earth Tropic of Cancer should be much smaller than Tropic of Capricorn,
so ground speed of sub-solar point should be much lower.
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2016, 11:56:45 PM »
Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 07:54:59 PM
Quote from: MouseWalker on August 24, 2016, 06:32:11 PM
Solar eclipse, the Star field behind the eclipsed of the sun, is the Star field that would be seen in six months, as opposed to the Star field that is seen that night.
As far as the star field, a long debate has been raised among the historians on its validity

Debate among historians?  What are you talking about?  It has been known for a long time that stars are visible during an eclipse, and which ones they are.  This knowledge has been used to validate general relativity, for example, way back in 1919.
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2016, 12:04:32 AM »
Quote from: TotesReptilian on August 24, 2016, 11:05:56 PM
He must really want to avoid seeing the evidence he asked for.

At the moment that surprises you.
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2016, 01:44:38 AM »
I see this is a twist on my thread, that funnily enough, you've not actually replied to..
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67745.0
if you've got ANY evidence of a flat earth, feel free to comment on my thread (yes I'm being sarcastic, if you had any proof, you would have posted on my thread)

to answer the question, yes, everyone can provide evidence of a spinning globe earth, even you, there's an ABUNDANCE of evidence for a globe earth, and absolutely none for a flat earth, only faith, you can claim most of the evidence is faked, but you cannot claim it doesn't exist at all.. the flat earth has NONE, no photos, no videos, no first hand account, nothing

as for the globe evidence

the strongest evidence is the lunar eclipse, that's OUR shadow on the moon, we know that by tracking the sun and moon's movements, very simple explanation, if we weren't a ball, the shadow wouldn't ALWAYS be circular
(absolutely NO flat earth explanation for the lunar eclipse stands up to testing, and I've heard a few, making the lunar eclipse irrefutable evidence of our shape, no ifs no buts)

the reason for my original thread is because the flat earth theory has absolutely zero actual physical evidence, only suggestions..
some FE's still use some 'proofs' that others have already accepted as fact,
there's no agreement withing the FE community, for instance
- a dome is disproven by meteors' existence
- crepuscular sun rays cannot be used as proof due to perspective
- we can't feel a spin due to us also spinning within the atmosphere
- photos of landmarks from too far away are never taken from ground level, when they are, the landmarks have gone (a large majority of videos of people trying to prove no curve, actually end up proving the opposite)

etc

so, not only have you been provided ANY evidence, but IRREFUTABLE evidence
the only way to deny the evidence is with cognitive dissonance

the earth, EVIDENTLY, is a globe
« Last Edit: August 25, 2016, 01:48:06 AM by johnnyorbital »
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2016, 01:50:30 AM »
This thread shows nothing more than that really stupid people cannot be shown anything. Ive known a few people in my time who were basically incapable of learning anything because even basic logic or thinking was absent.

People who say there is no proof of a round earth clearly lack the ability to understand pretty much anything. Even if you are an FEer, the claim that there is nothing to support a roundearth is ridiculous.

Sad that some of these people are allowed to vote or drive cars or *shudder*, breed.
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2016, 06:04:10 AM »
Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 04:30:43 PM
Also I see it could be possible the sun rises and falls in elevation on a flat earth.
  As you seem knowledgeable then can you please draw me picture how light moves from sun to the observer at sunset. Observer stands at twilight zone and clouds above his head are illuminated.
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2016, 06:24:46 AM »
Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 02:56:46 PM
I have yet to find a single verifiable proof of this anywhere.

Why do you doubt your own eyes when you can see thousands and thousands of pictures that show the Earth is round?

Seriously: why. You cannot have come up with the idea on your own that all these pictures are faked.

If you did come up with that yourself, I assume you have proof that they are faked?
If you did not come up with that yourself, the people who told you the pictures were faked showed you proof that they were faked, right?

Because if you don't have proof the pictures are wrong, why do you believe they are?
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2016, 07:56:39 AM »
Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 02:56:46 PM
I have yet to find a single verifiable proof of this anywhere.

It helps if you can read, but google is a good place to start
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« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2016, 08:17:55 AM »
Quote from: SpJunk on August 24, 2016, 11:10:32 PM
Ground distances are measured and known.
Summer solstice, ground speed of sub-solar point along Tropic of Cancer (roughly 950 mph).
Winter solstice, same ground speed of sub-soalr point along Tropic of Capricorn (roughly 950 mph).

On Flat Earth Tropic of Cancer should be much smaller than Tropic of Capricorn,
so ground speed of sub-solar point should be much lower.

That may not be true.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67749.0
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2016, 08:23:34 AM »
Quote from: Omega on August 25, 2016, 06:24:46 AM
Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 02:56:46 PM
I have yet to find a single verifiable proof of this anywhere.

Why do you doubt your own eyes when you can see thousands and thousands of pictures that show the Earth is round?

Seriously: why. You cannot have come up with the idea on your own that all these pictures are faked.

If you did come up with that yourself, I assume you have proof that they are faked?
If you did not come up with that yourself, the people who told you the pictures were faked showed you proof that they were faked, right?

Because if you don't have proof the pictures are wrong, why do you believe they are?

Composite images are not proof.  I can make those and pass them off as real when they are not.
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2016, 08:25:40 AM »
Quote from: Johnorbital on August 25, 2016, 01:44:38 AM
I see this is a twist on my thread, that funnily enough, you've not actually replied to..
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67745.0
if you've got ANY evidence of a flat earth, feel free to comment on my thread (yes I'm being sarcastic, if you had any proof, you would have posted on my thread)

to answer the question, yes, everyone can provide evidence of a spinning globe earth, even you, there's an ABUNDANCE of evidence for a globe earth, and absolutely none for a flat earth, only faith, you can claim most of the evidence is faked, but you cannot claim it doesn't exist at all.. the flat earth has NONE, no photos, no videos, no first hand account, nothing

as for the globe evidence

the strongest evidence is the lunar eclipse, that's OUR shadow on the moon, we know that by tracking the sun and moon's movements, very simple explanation, if we weren't a ball, the shadow wouldn't ALWAYS be circular
(absolutely NO flat earth explanation for the lunar eclipse stands up to testing, and I've heard a few, making the lunar eclipse irrefutable evidence of our shape, no ifs no buts)

the reason for my original thread is because the flat earth theory has absolutely zero actual physical evidence, only suggestions..
some FE's still use some 'proofs' that others have already accepted as fact,
there's no agreement withing the FE community, for instance
- a dome is disproven by meteors' existence
- crepuscular sun rays cannot be used as proof due to perspective
- we can't feel a spin due to us also spinning within the atmosphere
- photos of landmarks from too far away are never taken from ground level, when they are, the landmarks have gone (a large majority of videos of people trying to prove no curve, actually end up proving the opposite)

etc

so, not only have you been provided ANY evidence, but IRREFUTABLE evidence
the only way to deny the evidence is with cognitive dissonance

the earth, EVIDENTLY, is a globe

I've addressed the lunar eclipse, (a shadow object) moving around the sun.  Everything else you said: Because reasons.  No proof here.
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2016, 12:10:14 PM »
It can actually not be "proven" that earth is spinning. All phenomena associated with the earth spin, Coriolis and centrifugal force included, can be explained otherwise, too. If you do not believe me, please google "Lense-Thirring-Effect"
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2016, 12:11:49 PM »
Quote from: Silicon on August 25, 2016, 08:23:34 AM
Quote from: Omega on August 25, 2016, 06:24:46 AM
Quote from: Silicon on August 24, 2016, 02:56:46 PM
I have yet to find a single verifiable proof of this anywhere.

Why do you doubt your own eyes when you can see thousands and thousands of pictures that show the Earth is round?

Seriously: why. You cannot have come up with the idea on your own that all these pictures are faked.

If you did come up with that yourself, I assume you have proof that they are faked?
If you did not come up with that yourself, the people who told you the pictures were faked showed you proof that they were faked, right?

Because if you don't have proof the pictures are wrong, why do you believe they are?

Composite images are not proof.  I can make those and pass them off as real when they are not.

Then make a convincing composite of the flat earth.
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Re: Does ANYONE have ANY evidence that we live on a spinning ball?
« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2016, 12:35:51 PM »
Quote from: FalseProphet on August 25, 2016, 12:10:14 PM
It can actually not be "proven" that earth is spinning. All phenomena associated with the earth spin, Coriolis and centrifugal force included, can be explained otherwise, too. If you do not believe me, please google "Lense-Thirring-Effect"

Right.  "At this rate a Foucault pendulum would have to oscillate for more than 16000 years to precess 1 degree. Despite being quite small, notice that it is still two orders of magnitude larger than Thomas precession for such a pendulum"  However some simple mechanical gyroscopes do not show the earth spin.
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