I have crossed over to the dark side

Well as some of my close friends would say is that I have went completely nuts in 60 seconds. I never heard about any of this until a customer came in and was talking about it where I work. So I started to do some research and the more I watched, read and learned just pushed me to want to know more. At first, was denial that any of this was true and the ancient philosophers about the globe earth were right and what we were taught in school was right and flat earthers were crazy fools who knew nothing. Well I guess now I could be called a fool or crazy or whatever.... Well in fact we are the ones that have opened our eyes and minds to what we see and question everything about truth.

Well thanks for allowing me to rant for a second of useful thought.

Peace

John

Welcome John,

Happy to hear you came to a correct Earth shape perspective via proper research. Many others blindly follow the usual path of RE believers and merely add themselves to their (shrinking) numbers.   

Hi, welcome to the flat side.

Congrats. Now you can't explain sunsets.

Sunsets are pretty!

Everyone is surprised to find out you lied about your cookies, markjo.

Congrats John!!!

You have officially traveled back in time! 

Let the Neanderthals know I said "Hi"

You have now joined those who act with REASON and LOGIC instead of BLIND FAITH and SUPERSTITION. You should be proud.

You have now joined those who act with REASON and LOGIC instead of BLIND FAITH and SUPERSTITION. You should be proud.

Actually its the opposite. I have yet to see any reason and logic on your side.

You have yet to see anything that goes against your beliefs.  You are the definition of brainwashed. 

You have yet to see anything that goes against your beliefs.  You are the definition of brainwashed.

Said the pot.

Quote from: John Davis on June 20, 2016, 12:03:59 PM

You have now joined those who act with REASON and LOGIC instead of BLIND FAITH and SUPERSTITION. You should be proud.

Actually its the opposite. I have yet to see any reason and logic on your side.

That just means you are blind. Do you honestly think we believe anything in this world out of anything but reason and empirical evidence? Even when we must hold something due to faith, we do so supported by reason.

Quote from: jroa on June 22, 2016, 09:53:45 AM

You have yet to see anything that goes against your beliefs.  You are the definition of brainwashed.

Said the pot.

So, you admit that you walk around with blinders on and ignore everything that goes against you beliefs? 

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on June 22, 2016, 09:27:58 AM

Quote from: John Davis on June 20, 2016, 12:03:59 PM

You have now joined those who act with REASON and LOGIC instead of BLIND FAITH and SUPERSTITION. You should be proud.

Actually its the opposite. I have yet to see any reason and logic on your side.

That just means you are blind. Do you honestly think we believe anything in this world out of anything but reason and empirical evidence? Even when we must hold something due to faith, we do so supported by reason.

Yes

Quote from: John Davis on June 23, 2016, 08:42:04 AM

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on June 22, 2016, 09:27:58 AM

Quote from: John Davis on June 20, 2016, 12:03:59 PM

You have now joined those who act with REASON and LOGIC instead of BLIND FAITH and SUPERSTITION. You should be proud.

Actually its the opposite. I have yet to see any reason and logic on your side.

That just means you are blind. Do you honestly think we believe anything in this world out of anything but reason and empirical evidence? Even when we must hold something due to faith, we do so supported by reason.

Yes

How do you address Sextus' arguments that every thought comes from sense experience?

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on June 22, 2016, 09:27:58 AM

Quote from: John Davis on June 20, 2016, 12:03:59 PM

You have now joined those who act with REASON and LOGIC instead of BLIND FAITH and SUPERSTITION. You should be proud.

Actually its the opposite. I have yet to see any reason and logic on your side.

That just means you are blind. Do you honestly think we believe anything in this world out of anything but reason and empirical evidence? Even when we must hold something due to faith, we do so supported by reason.

In a word, yes, though I don't think it's on purpose (for the most part).

You have now joined those who act with REASON and LOGIC instead of BLIND FAITH and SUPERSTITION. You should be proud.

Though sometimes if might be hard to find which side has "REASON and LOGIC" and which has "BLIND FAITH and SUPERSTITION"!

"I don't like ideas that are not ones taught to me in a textbook"

"I don't like ideas that are not ones taught to me in a textbook"

"I dismiss all that is written in textbooks and instead come up with more complicated ways to describe the same phenomena taught in said textbooks"

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on June 22, 2016, 09:27:58 AM

Quote from: John Davis on June 20, 2016, 12:03:59 PM

You have now joined those who act with REASON and LOGIC instead of BLIND FAITH and SUPERSTITION. You should be proud.

Actually its the opposite. I have yet to see any reason and logic on your side.

That just means you are blind. Do you honestly think we believe anything in this world out of anything but reason and empirical evidence? Even when we must hold something due to faith, we do so supported by reason.

Ok.  So I live next to a mountain.  Every evening the shadow climbs up the face of the mountain as the sun drops below the horizon.  If the sun acted like a spotlight it would always strike the base first and leave it last.  How come it does the opposite?

Are you saying that perspective does not make far off things appear to approach the horizon?  This is the first time I can remember that an RE'er flat out denied perspective, and that far off things appear to get closer to the horizon. 

Are you saying that perspective does not make far off things appear to approach the horizon?  This is the first time I can remember that an RE'er flat out denied perspective, and that far off things appear to get closer to the horizon.

If that was a response to my pose I made no such statement.

Are you saying that perspective does not make far off things appear to approach the horizon?  This is the first time I can remember that an RE'er flat out denied perspective, and that far off things appear to get closer to the horizon.

Funny perspective that makes something over 3,000 miles above the earth appear to sink below the horizon when some 9,000 miles away!

To me the sun appears to go down behind the horizon (that it is much further from us than the horizon).
Now according to the flat earth model of the sunset:
The sun which is actually some 3,000 miles (flat earth value!) above the earth and
at distance of roughly from the observer (on the equator at the equinox) of roughly 9,000 miles hence
at an elevation of roughly 20° above the horizon, so can never appear behind or even below the visible horizon.

Still I suppose people on the "Dark Side" all wear "Dark Glasses" - John Davis of course wears special polarising ones under a full moon.

Are you saying that perspective does not make far off things appear to approach the horizon?  This is the first time I can remember that an RE'er flat out denied perspective, and that far off things appear to get closer to the horizon.

This is funny. Let's use the perspective and do some math.

In theory, in order to Sun get so far from you so it apper to be intersecting the horizon, the angular distance between those should be less than human's eye resolution (so it won't distinguish they are separate).
Average person can see objects of the size 1' and above.
Using trig, tan1' is approx 0.0003, so the object has to be ~3333 times further than its altitude in order to be 1' above the horizon.

This is where once proper math is introduced, you argument fails. As always.

What measurements are those in mils? 

Mind reading my post again and stop asking pointless questions. And I am sure that you can do simple multiplication since the hard part (that, I am positive, no FEer has ever bothered to do) is already done.

So, no measurements in mils? 

Multiply your favourite 3000 miles altitude by 3333. You can't be that lazy.

So, no measurements in mils?