Should we not always see the sun

Alright so this idea I had is about the sun setting and rising. If you look at the image attached, Imagine the line at the bottom is edge-to-edge of the flat earth. So if the sun was rotating around the earth, would you not be able to see it no matter what time it is, since the world is flat and the sun is thousands on miles above earth, it should always be in view should it not?

it should always be in view should it not?

No. 

1 cloud in the sky can fully obscure the sun's rays. 

And on the days there aren't clouds? There isn't always clouds in the sky. Surely there would be once or twice a cloud doesn't cover the sun

And on the days there aren't clouds?

Light does not travel forever. 

A more reasonable explanation is, that the sun acts like a spot light.

A more reasonable explanation is, that the sun acts like a spot light.

So you're saying the sun is not round? It just projects light like a spotlight?

Quote from: FalseProphet on June 17, 2016, 07:54:13 AM

A more reasonable explanation is, that the sun acts like a spot light.

So you're saying the sun is not round? It just projects light like a spotlight?

Yes, something like that.

One of the major flaws I find with the FE model is not being able to detect the sun somehow at night.

We should at least be able to track it's movement as it moves through the sky unless the stars are between us and the sun.  If they are not the sun would come between the observer and some stars blocking them from view.

If the stars are not between the sun and us at night that causes another problem.  If I can see stars which appear not to be as bright as the sun why can I not see the sun at night?

A more reasonable explanation is, that the sun acts like a spot light.

With the important caveat of: except when it doesn't.

Quote from: Joshamawaka on June 17, 2016, 07:23:49 AM

it should always be in view should it not?

No. 

1 cloud in the sky can fully obscure the sun's rays.

One cloud? the sun produces 6.89 x 10³³ lumens. 6,890,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. a CANDLE on a hill can be seen at ten miles and is ONLY 90 lumens, a percentage of the sun so small a calculator give 0 as percentage. And you think clouds would provide darkness?

I won't even breach the subject of cloudless nights.

yea the only issue with this is you guys are completely ignoring reality. The globe is a perfectly working model that explains every question that has ever been asked of the FE community while you guys still struggle to come up with a coherent model that even sort of works. Yes light can travel almost forever in a vacuum because it does not require a medium. The reason it dosnt appear so on earth is because we are not in a vacuum. It appears to me that if there is any problem with FE theory you guys just make stuff up without evidence

Alright so this idea I had is about the sun setting and rising. If you look at the image attached, Imagine the line at the bottom is edge-to-edge of the flat earth. So if the sun was rotating around the earth, would you not be able to see it no matter what time it is, since the world is flat and the sun is thousands on miles above earth, it should always be in view should it not?

It should be if flat

Quote from: Joshamawaka on June 17, 2016, 07:31:37 AM

And on the days there aren't clouds?

Light does not travel forever. 

Yes, light does.

This is some really sad stuff.

Quote from: Joshamawaka on June 17, 2016, 07:23:49 AM

Alright so this idea I had is about the sun setting and rising. If you look at the image attached, Imagine the line at the bottom is edge-to-edge of the flat earth. So if the sun was rotating around the earth, would you not be able to see it no matter what time it is, since the world is flat and the sun is thousands on miles above earth, it should always be in view should it not?

It should be if flat

Quote from: Charming Anarchist on June 17, 2016, 07:36:10 AM

Quote from: Joshamawaka on June 17, 2016, 07:31:37 AM

And on the days there aren't clouds?

Light does not travel forever. 

Yes, light does.

This is some really sad stuff.

 
 
I made an account just to comment on this. This single reply honestly shocked me. I'm never sure if these folks are honest, or if this is the greatest parody website I've ever seen.

Quote from: Joshamawaka on June 17, 2016, 08:01:52 AM

Quote from: FalseProphet on June 17, 2016, 07:54:13 AM

A more reasonable explanation is, that the sun acts like a spot light.

So you're saying the sun is not round? It just projects light like a spotlight?

Yes, something like that.

But I can see a spotlight pointing another direction from far away.  Why can't we see the beam as it passes through the atmosphere?  Much like we can see sunlight streaming through the tree canopy in the forest.

Quote from: Joshamawaka on June 17, 2016, 07:31:37 AM

And on the days there aren't clouds?

Light does not travel forever.

What stops it?

Quote from: Charming Anarchist on June 17, 2016, 07:36:10 AM

Quote from: Joshamawaka on June 17, 2016, 07:31:37 AM

And on the days there aren't clouds?

Light does not travel forever.

What stops it?

Anything that supports FE.

In this case with the sun it is something that makes the FE model work.

The FE model also requires stars and the sun to give off different light.  The light from the sun can not travel as far as the light from stars.  At least in all the models I have seen the stars in the direction of the sun are further away then the sun.

Low content post and personal attack, theres no need for it on Q and A.

Does light really travel forever? I'm confident it'll travel about 47 billion light-years, anything after that I think is a gamble however.

Quote from: Charming Anarchist on June 17, 2016, 07:36:10 AM

Quote from: Joshamawaka on June 17, 2016, 07:31:37 AM

And on the days there aren't clouds?

Light does not travel forever.

What stops it?

Irrelevent. 

The true form of the earth does NOT control the physical properties of light. 

To the OP: As Samuel Shenton noted, the sun acts like a spotlight.


Light also obviously does not travel forever in an atmoplane / atmosphere. You know - because of scattering.

Quote from: Joshamawaka on June 17, 2016, 07:31:37 AM

And on the days there aren't clouds?

Light does not travel forever.

That is not true. Light travels on forever, in all directions. Basic grade school stuff.
 

To the OP: As Samuel Shenton noted, the sun acts like a spotlight.


Light also obviously does not travel forever in an atmoplane / atmosphere. You know - because of scattering.

How then does the sun illuminate the moon, if it is pointing at the earth?  Or the other planets in the solar system?  They go behind the sun sometimes, and yet we see the sun's light reflected off of them, up until the moment they transit behind the sun.

Light travels on forever, in all directions. Basic grade school stuff.

"However, light can also travel within some materials, like glass and water. In this case, some light is absorbed and lost as heat, just like sound. So, underwater, or in our atmosphere, light will only travel some finite range."
https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=21368

Quote from: John Davis on June 20, 2016, 12:08:41 PM

To the OP: As Samuel Shenton noted, the sun acts like a spotlight.


Light also obviously does not travel forever in an atmoplane / atmosphere. You know - because of scattering.

How then does the sun illuminate the moon, if it is pointing at the earth?  Or the other planets in the solar system?  They go behind the sun sometimes, and yet we see the sun's light reflected off of them, up until the moment they transit behind the sun.

Most say the moon self illuminates.

Quote from: Round and Proud on June 20, 2016, 12:36:01 PM

Light travels on forever, in all directions. Basic grade school stuff.

"However, light can also travel within some materials, like glass and water. In this case, some light is absorbed and lost as heat, just like sound. So, underwater, or in our atmosphere, light will only travel some finite range."
https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=21368

True, but what is the range at which we could see the spotlight sun?  You'd need to know the elevation of the sun (what is this elevation) and the angle at which light exits the spotlight (what is this angle?).  Surely there is an experiment which could test this.

And if the sun IS a spotlight, why does it rise like it does?  And why do we see it the way we do?  If it were a spotlight pointing downward, would it not appear ellipsoid when it wasn't directly overhead?

Are you asking how much of the world experiences day at one time?

Are you asking how much of the world experiences day at one time?

Sorry, I should have been more clear.  I assumed we are operating under the idea that the sun is close to the earth and behaves as a spotlight.

I'm asking how, if the sun is a spotlight pointed at the ground, it doesn't look more elliptical at times.  A downward-pointing spotlight overhead looks elliptical until you walk directly under it.  This is because the angle from the viewer to the spotlight changes as the viewer walks toward/under it.  You can find a spotlight at night and test this. 

To look approximately circular all the time, it would have to be so far away that the angle of the viewer relative to the sun is nearly fixed.

edit - tried to improve clarity of my question

Quote from: John Davis on June 20, 2016, 01:56:01 PM

Are you asking how much of the world experiences day at one time?

Sorry, I should have been more clear.  I assumed we are operating under the idea that the sun is close to the earth and behaves as a spotlight.

I'm asking how, if the sun is a spotlight pointed at the ground, it doesn't look more elliptical at times.  A downward-pointing spotlight overhead looks elliptical until you walk directly under it.  This is because the angle from the viewer to the spotlight changes as the viewer walks toward/under it.  You can find a spotlight at night and test this. 

To look approximately circular all the time, it would have to be so far away that the angle of the viewer relative to the sun is nearly fixed.

edit - tried to improve clarity of my question

NONE of the FE explanation for the sun takes into account the sun produces 6.89 X 10³³ lumens. Note also, that sun light penetrates to a depth of 200 meters of sea water, but can be detected to a depth of 1000 meters. Our atmosphere is not near as dense. Spotlight or not, with proven angles involved and known lumens produced, the sun on a FE would be visible 24/7. It would be completely impossible for it not to be.

And for about the hundredth time, EVERYONE from FE, will ignore this fact.

i don't mean to do this.. i really don't.. I'm not a christian per say..

but i just want to use this verse from the bible.. please don't throw rocks at me.. lol

okay so ecclesiastes is a book by a man named solomon.. he is said to be the wisest man in the bible or in history per say.. wisdom given to him by God.. okay..

so. he says in chapter 1. lol

the sun comes and goes and then "hurries" back to where it comes..

to me and to anyone really, he is literally saying the sun moves.. comes and goes and a new day comes again.

as far as why can't i see the sun is simple. your eyes can only see about 3 to 4 or 5 miles at ground level.

so if you see the light of the sun which reaches further.. say 200 miles for example better yet 2000 miles!

then the edge of the light alone. (not the sun itself) but the light it shines would be on Mexico.. i can't see mexico from here. so i can't see the sun over japan let alone over mexico.. does that make sense?

oops.. in my post i forgot to mention i was in kansas city.. so 2000 miles from KC missouri is about mexico.

i don't mean to do this.. i really don't.. I'm not a christian per say..

but i just want to use this verse from the bible.. please don't throw rocks at me.. lol

okay so ecclesiastes is a book by a man named solomon.. he is said to be the wisest man in the bible or in history per say.. wisdom given to him by God.. okay..

so. he says in chapter 1. lol

the sun comes and goes and then "hurries" back to where it comes..

to me and to anyone really, he is literally saying the sun moves.. comes and goes and a new day comes again.

as far as why can't i see the sun is simple. your eyes can only see about 3 to 4 or 5 miles at ground level.

so if you see the light of the sun which reaches further.. say 200 miles for example better yet 2000 miles!

then the edge of the light alone. (not the sun itself) but the light it shines would be on Mexico.. i can't see mexico from here. so i can't see the sun over japan let alone over mexico.. does that make sense?

Not really. At the Spring and Fall Equinox, the sun is directly over the equator, even the FE argues son this. And sun light is seen from pole to pole, a distance 6 times that of your example.

And you as other STILL are ignoring the KNOW output of the sun as shown in my post above.

An one line out of the Bible is not proof.