and you shall see the truth

I am a hobby photographer and I have a experimenet who everybody can do at home. take a medium class camera (doenst have to be pro, but a little better than just a mobile) and a tripod! on a clear night you go outside and take a long exposure from the night sky! you will see that on northerhemisphere all the stars spin clockwisely around polaris!
now go to the southernhemisphere or ask a FE fellow from down under to do the same and he will see that the night sky spins around the southern cross ANTI-clockwise!!
now how does that fit in your theory? If earth would be flat we would see all the same sky (maybe different sections of it) but it wouldnt be possible to have more than one spining pole and two different directions!

Better yet, why is it that if you stood above the arctic circle during summer, the sun never sets, but if you stand at the equator at the same time, it does?
So many holes, so little time.

Better yet, why is it that if you stood above the arctic circle during summer, the sun never sets, but if you stand at the equator at the same time, it does?
So many holes, so little time.

Another one.

How can BOTH the North Pole and the South Pole have 24 hour sun at the two Equinoxes?

Better yet, why is it that if you stood above the arctic circle during summer, the sun never sets, but if you stand at the equator at the same time, it does?
So many holes, so little time.

Sounds like a hypothetical thought experiment to me.  What is your made up pretend experiment supposed to prove?  Are we supposed to make up outcomes for this made up situation? 

Quote from: shangralol on May 23, 2016, 09:57:43 AM

Better yet, why is it that if you stood above the arctic circle during summer, the sun never sets, but if you stand at the equator at the same time, it does?
So many holes, so little time.

Sounds like a hypothetical thought experiment to me.  What is your made up pretend experiment supposed to prove?  Are we supposed to make up outcomes for this made up situation? 

hypothetical

ˌhʌɪpəˈθɛtɪk(ə)l/

adjective

adjective: hypothetical

1.

based on or serving as a hypothesis.

"let us take a hypothetical case"

supposed but not necessarily real or true.

"the hypothetical tenth planet"

synonyms:theoretical, speculative, conjectured, imagined, notional, suppositional; More

supposed, assumed, presumed, putative;

made up, unreal;

academic

"a hypothetical case"

antonyms:real, actual

Because this is a real and actual occurrence hypothetical does not apply unfortunately.

The experiment doesn't prove anything, as you should know, it merely adds more evidence to the theory we live on a spinning spherical ball.

Can you please offer an alternative to why we see the sun not setting or rising at the poles during the equinoxes?

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2016, 04:11:48 AM

Quote from: shangralol on May 23, 2016, 09:57:43 AM

Better yet, why is it that if you stood above the arctic circle during summer, the sun never sets, but if you stand at the equator at the same time, it does?
So many holes, so little time.

Sounds like a hypothetical thought experiment to me.  What is your made up pretend experiment supposed to prove?  Are we supposed to make up outcomes for this made up situation? 

Quote

hypothetical

ˌhʌɪpəˈθɛtɪk(ə)l/

adjective

adjective: hypothetical

1.

based on or serving as a hypothesis.

"let us take a hypothetical case"

supposed but not necessarily real or true.

"the hypothetical tenth planet"

synonyms:theoretical, speculative, conjectured, imagined, notional, suppositional; More

supposed, assumed, presumed, putative;

made up, unreal;

academic

"a hypothetical case"

antonyms:real, actual

Because this is a real and actual occurrence hypothetical does not apply unfortunately.

The experiment doesn't prove anything, as you should know, it merely adds more evidence to the theory we live on a spinning spherical ball.

Can you please offer an alternative to why we see the sun not setting or rising at the poles during the equinoxes?

No, it is not an anecdotal account, nor is it even a second or third hand account.  He is saying that he believes something would happen without actually having any proof that it does in fact happen.  Now, go look at your definition that you posted again, and actually read the words so that you might learn what the meaning of hypothetical actually means. 

Quote from: shangralol on May 23, 2016, 09:57:43 AM

Better yet, why is it that if you stood above the arctic circle during summer, the sun never sets, but if you stand at the equator at the same time, it does?
So many holes, so little time.

Another one.

How can BOTH the North Pole and the South Pole have 24 hour sun at the two Equinoxes?

Equinox 2016-03 South Pole

Equinox 2016-03 North Pole

From SunriseSunset.

Yes, for a couple of days either side of the Equinox BOTH poles get 24 hour daylight.

Are you saying that this doesn't occur?

because otherwise the sun staying up at the poles and setting on the equator isn't hypothetical, it is "real and true."

I put it to you, good sir, that you are the one who should read the definition again.

Quote from: shangralol on May 23, 2016, 09:57:43 AM

Better yet, why is it that if you stood above the arctic circle during summer, the sun never sets, but if you stand at the equator at the same time, it does?
So many holes, so little time.

Sounds like a hypothetical thought experiment to me.  What is your made up pretend experiment supposed to prove?  Are we supposed to make up outcomes for this made up situation? 
[...] He is saying that he believes something would happen without actually having any proof that it does in fact happen.  Now, go look at your definition that you posted again, and actually read the words so that you might learn what the meaning of hypothetical actually means.

Are you saying that
a) the sun does not set at 21.06. south of the northern arctic circle
b) the sun does set at 21.06. in the northern arctic circle

About 99% of all people know without a doubt that a) is wrong and I witnessed an event where you can see the midnight sun at a small island north of iceland around 21.06., so b) seems to be wrong too...

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2016, 05:26:36 AM

Quote from: shangralol on May 23, 2016, 09:57:43 AM

Better yet, why is it that if you stood above the arctic circle during summer, the sun never sets, but if you stand at the equator at the same time, it does?
So many holes, so little time.

Sounds like a hypothetical thought experiment to me.  What is your made up pretend experiment supposed to prove?  Are we supposed to make up outcomes for this made up situation? 
[...] He is saying that he believes something would happen without actually having any proof that it does in fact happen.  Now, go look at your definition that you posted again, and actually read the words so that you might learn what the meaning of hypothetical actually means.

Are you saying that
a) the sun does not set at 21.06. south of the northern arctic circle
b) the sun does set at 21.06. in the northern arctic circle

About 99% of all people know without a doubt that a) is wrong and I witnessed an event where you can see the midnight sun at a small island north of iceland around 21.06., so b) seems to be wrong too...

That appears to be your claim, no mine to prove or disprove.  Are you new at the interwebs? 

I claim two tings:
1) The sun does not set at 21.06. within the northern arctic circle.
2) The sun does set at 21.06. south of the northern arctic circle.
Proof for 1):
http://www.midnightsunfestival.net/home.html
A festival set within the northern arctic circle, hundreds of visitors who witness that the sun does not set.
Proof for 2):
Trivial.

I claim two tings:
1) The sun does not set at 21.06. within the northern arctic circle.
2) The sun does set at 21.06. south of the northern arctic circle.
Proof for 1):
http://www.midnightsunfestival.net/home.html
A festival set within the northern arctic circle, hundreds of visitors who witness that the sun does not set.
Proof for 2):
Trivial.

And, I suppose your idea of proof is "Because I said so?"  You are the worst troll I have seen in a while.  At least the other trolls here try to provide some twisted sort of proof that they can spin to support their statements.

Quote from: Kami on May 24, 2016, 06:03:05 AM

I claim two tings:
1) The sun does not set at 21.06. within the northern arctic circle.
2) The sun does set at 21.06. south of the northern arctic circle.
Proof for 1):
http://www.midnightsunfestival.net/home.html
A festival set within the northern arctic circle, hundreds of visitors who witness that the sun does not set.
Proof for 2):
Trivial.

And, I suppose your idea of proof is "Because I said so?"  You are the worst troll I have seen in a while.  At least the other trolls here try to provide some twisted sort of proof that they can spin to support their statements.

Are you serious? I provided a link to a huge festival in norway, which extends for one week and advertises that the sun does not set during the festival. Everyone can go there, hundreds of people do every year and I think someone would have complained if there was no midnight sun, as this actually even the name of the festival.
As to my proof of 2): I suppose you are more than one year old and live south of the northern arctic circle. Have you seen a midnight sun once? No? Okay.

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2016, 06:08:24 AM

Quote from: Kami on May 24, 2016, 06:03:05 AM

I claim two tings:
1) The sun does not set at 21.06. within the northern arctic circle.
2) The sun does set at 21.06. south of the northern arctic circle.
Proof for 1):
http://www.midnightsunfestival.net/home.html
A festival set within the northern arctic circle, hundreds of visitors who witness that the sun does not set.
Proof for 2):
Trivial.

And, I suppose your idea of proof is "Because I said so?"  You are the worst troll I have seen in a while.  At least the other trolls here try to provide some twisted sort of proof that they can spin to support their statements.

Are you serious? I provided a link to a huge festival in norway, which extends for one week and advertises that the sun does not set during the festival. Everyone can go there, hundreds of people do every year and I think someone would have complained if there was no midnight sun, as this actually even the name of the festival.
As to my proof of 2): I suppose you are more than one year old and live south of the northern arctic circle. Have you seen a midnight sun once? No? Okay.

Please let us know when you can make a coherent defense for the statements that you make. 

I did. 10 minutes ago. If it is not coherent, show me the error.

I did. 10 minutes ago. If it is not coherent, show me the error.

Do you not know what a debate is?  You are expected to be capable of supporting your claims.  Are you 12 years old or something? 

Quote from: Kami on May 24, 2016, 06:34:33 AM

I did. 10 minutes ago. If it is not coherent, show me the error.

Do you not know what a debate is?  You are expected to be capable of supporting your claims.  Are you 12 years old or something?

You claim my proof is incoherent. I am asking you to support your claim. You do not support your claim. Who is 12 years old?

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2016, 06:43:25 AM

Quote from: Kami on May 24, 2016, 06:34:33 AM

I did. 10 minutes ago. If it is not coherent, show me the error.

Do you not know what a debate is?  You are expected to be capable of supporting your claims.  Are you 12 years old or something?

You claim my proof is incoherent. I am asking you to support your claim. You do not support your claim. Who is 12 years old?

It is incoherent why you would not support your claims and just make more unsupported claims that you pretend support your claims.  Are you drunk at this hour in the morning? 

Actually, it is afternoon where I live, but no, I am not drunk.
Okay. Let us resolve this step by step. Do I need to prove to you that the sun does set south of the northern arctic circle at 21.06.?

Quote from: Kami on May 24, 2016, 06:52:41 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2016, 06:43:25 AM

Quote from: Kami on May 24, 2016, 06:34:33 AM

I did. 10 minutes ago. If it is not coherent, show me the error.

Do you not know what a debate is?  You are expected to be capable of supporting your claims.  Are you 12 years old or something?

You claim my proof is incoherent. I am asking you to support your claim. You do not support your claim. Who is 12 years old?

It is incoherent why you would not support your claims and just make more unsupported claims that you pretend support your claims.  Are you drunk at this hour in the morning?

Not everyone starts drinking when they get up, jroa.

Kami's statements are based on extensive observations, so are clearly not hypothetical.

Actually, it is afternoon where I live, but no, I am not drunk.
Okay. Let us resolve this step by step. Do I need to prove to you that the sun does set south of the northern arctic circle at 21.06.?

What is there to resolve?  You making baseless claims that you cannot support? 

[/quote]

baseless
adjective
1.
having no base; without foundation; groundless:

bases for his claim

I claim two tings:
1) The sun does not set at 21.06. within the northern arctic circle.
2) The sun does set at 21.06. south of the northern arctic circle.
Proof for 1):
http://www.midnightsunfestival.net/home.html
A festival set within the northern arctic circle, hundreds of visitors who witness that the sun does not set.
Proof for 2):
Trivial.

Equinox 2016-03 South Pole

Equinox 2016-03 North Pole

From SunriseSunset.

Yes, for a couple of days either side of the Equinox BOTH poles get 24 hour daylight.

You don't have to believe him, but his claims are anything but baseless.
I suggest you provide information to support your rebuttal. This is how debates work

Quote from: disputeone on May 24, 2016, 05:17:22 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2016, 04:11:48 AM

Quote from: shangralol on May 23, 2016, 09:57:43 AM

Better yet, why is it that if you stood above the arctic circle during summer, the sun never sets, but if you stand at the equator at the same time, it does?
So many holes, so little time.

Sounds like a hypothetical thought experiment to me.  What is your made up pretend experiment supposed to prove?  Are we supposed to make up outcomes for this made up situation? 

Quote

hypothetical

ˌhʌɪpəˈθɛtɪk(ə)l/

adjective

adjective: hypothetical

1.

based on or serving as a hypothesis.

"let us take a hypothetical case"

supposed but not necessarily real or true.

"the hypothetical tenth planet"

synonyms:theoretical, speculative, conjectured, imagined, notional, suppositional; More

supposed, assumed, presumed, putative;

made up, unreal;

academic

"a hypothetical case"

antonyms:real, actual

Because this is a real and actual occurrence hypothetical does not apply unfortunately.

The experiment doesn't prove anything, as you should know, it merely adds more evidence to the theory we live on a spinning spherical ball.

Can you please offer an alternative to why we see the sun not setting or rising at the poles during the equinoxes?

No, it is not an anecdotal account, nor is it even a second or third hand account.  He is saying that he believes something would happen without actually having any proof that it does in fact happen.  Now, go look at your definition that you posted again, and actually read the words so that you might learn what the meaning of hypothetical actually means.

I lived in Alaska for 8 years and every summer we would have the midnight sun. It never sets. Now I'm in the lower 48 and that doesn't happen here. Next thing you know you'll be questioning whether the earth is round. Oh wait...

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2016, 05:26:36 AM

Quote from: disputeone on May 24, 2016, 05:17:22 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2016, 04:11:48 AM

Quote from: shangralol on May 23, 2016, 09:57:43 AM

Better yet, why is it that if you stood above the arctic circle during summer, the sun never sets, but if you stand at the equator at the same time, it does?
So many holes, so little time.

Sounds like a hypothetical thought experiment to me.  What is your made up pretend experiment supposed to prove?  Are we supposed to make up outcomes for this made up situation? 

Quote

hypothetical

ˌhʌɪpəˈθɛtɪk(ə)l/

adjective

adjective: hypothetical

1.

based on or serving as a hypothesis.

"let us take a hypothetical case"

supposed but not necessarily real or true.

"the hypothetical tenth planet"

synonyms:theoretical, speculative, conjectured, imagined, notional, suppositional; More

supposed, assumed, presumed, putative;

made up, unreal;

academic

"a hypothetical case"

antonyms:real, actual

Because this is a real and actual occurrence hypothetical does not apply unfortunately.

The experiment doesn't prove anything, as you should know, it merely adds more evidence to the theory we live on a spinning spherical ball.

Can you please offer an alternative to why we see the sun not setting or rising at the poles during the equinoxes?

No, it is not an anecdotal account, nor is it even a second or third hand account.  He is saying that he believes something would happen without actually having any proof that it does in fact happen.  Now, go look at your definition that you posted again, and actually read the words so that you might learn what the meaning of hypothetical actually means.

I lived in Alaska for 8 years and every summer we would have the midnight sun. It never sets. Now I'm in the lower 48 and that doesn't happen here. Next thing you know you'll be questioning whether the earth is round. Oh wait...

Well, seeing as FET explains the midnight sun just fine in the northern hemiplane, then I have no idea why you decided to interject that information here.  Did you live in Antarctica as well?

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on May 24, 2016, 05:51:19 PM

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2016, 05:26:36 AM

Quote from: disputeone on May 24, 2016, 05:17:22 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2016, 04:11:48 AM

Quote from: shangralol on May 23, 2016, 09:57:43 AM

Better yet, why is it that if you stood above the arctic circle during summer, the sun never sets, but if you stand at the equator at the same time, it does?
So many holes, so little time.

Sounds like a hypothetical thought experiment to me.  What is your made up pretend experiment supposed to prove?  Are we supposed to make up outcomes for this made up situation? 

Quote

hypothetical

ˌhʌɪpəˈθɛtɪk(ə)l/

adjective

adjective: hypothetical

1.

based on or serving as a hypothesis.

"let us take a hypothetical case"

supposed but not necessarily real or true.

"the hypothetical tenth planet"

synonyms:theoretical, speculative, conjectured, imagined, notional, suppositional; More

supposed, assumed, presumed, putative;

made up, unreal;

academic

"a hypothetical case"

antonyms:real, actual

Because this is a real and actual occurrence hypothetical does not apply unfortunately.

The experiment doesn't prove anything, as you should know, it merely adds more evidence to the theory we live on a spinning spherical ball.

Can you please offer an alternative to why we see the sun not setting or rising at the poles during the equinoxes?

No, it is not an anecdotal account, nor is it even a second or third hand account.  He is saying that he believes something would happen without actually having any proof that it does in fact happen.  Now, go look at your definition that you posted again, and actually read the words so that you might learn what the meaning of hypothetical actually means.

I lived in Alaska for 8 years and every summer we would have the midnight sun. It never sets. Now I'm in the lower 48 and that doesn't happen here. Next thing you know you'll be questioning whether the earth is round. Oh wait...

Well, seeing as FET explains the midnight sun just fine in the northern hemiplane, then I have no idea why you decided to interject that information here.  Did you live in Antarctica as well?

Weren't you questioning whether the midnight sun exist in the north just a few posts up? And no I haven't been to Antarctica, but I have a cousin who lived there for 8 months. I you don't believe in the midnight sun in the south then you can book a vacation there and see for yourself.

So as you do in fact believe that the midnight sun in the northern arctic circle exists, you actually admit that you were just trolling this whole time, jroa?

So as you do in fact believe that the midnight sun in the northern arctic circle exists, you actually admit that you were just trolling this whole time, jroa?

shangralol was discussing both the northern and southern hemiplane.  It is possible to be correct about one thing and incorrect about something else, you know.  Perhaps you are the one trolling? 

Quote from: Kami on May 24, 2016, 06:13:33 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 24, 2016, 06:08:24 AM

Quote from: Kami on May 24, 2016, 06:03:05 AM

I claim two tings:
1) The sun does not set at 21.06. within the northern arctic circle.
2) The sun does set at 21.06. south of the northern arctic circle.
Proof for 1):
http://www.midnightsunfestival.net/home.html
A festival set within the northern arctic circle, hundreds of visitors who witness that the sun does not set.
Proof for 2):
Trivial.

And, I suppose your idea of proof is "Because I said so?"  You are the worst troll I have seen in a while.  At least the other trolls here try to provide some twisted sort of proof that they can spin to support their statements.

Are you serious? I provided a link to a huge festival in norway, which extends for one week and advertises that the sun does not set during the festival. Everyone can go there, hundreds of people do every year and I think someone would have complained if there was no midnight sun, as this actually even the name of the festival.
As to my proof of 2): I suppose you are more than one year old and live south of the northern arctic circle. Have you seen a midnight sun once? No? Okay.

Please let us know when you can make a coherent defense for the statements that you make.

Highlighted some words for you, just in case, you do not seem to read my posts very carefully.

I am a hobby photographer and I have a experimenet who everybody can do at home. take a medium class camera (doenst have to be pro, but a little better than just a mobile) and a tripod! on a clear night you go outside and take a long exposure from the night sky! you will see that on northerhemisphere all the stars spin clockwisely around polaris!
now go to the southernhemisphere or ask a FE fellow from down under to do the same and he will see that the night sky spins around the southern cross ANTI-clockwise!!
now how does that fit in your theory? If earth would be flat we would see all the same sky (maybe different sections of it) but it wouldnt be possible to have more than one spining pole and two different directions!

If standing on the equator, wouldn't that mean that the star trails would be in a straight line, instead of circles?  As you go around, you would come right back to that same line would you not?  Or is this the case anyways?

Quote from: Kami on May 24, 2016, 06:03:05 AM

I claim two tings:
1) The sun does not set at 21.06. within the northern arctic circle.
2) The sun does set at 21.06. south of the northern arctic circle.
Proof for 1):
http://www.midnightsunfestival.net/home.html
A festival set within the northern arctic circle, hundreds of visitors who witness that the sun does not set.
Proof for 2):
Trivial.

And, I suppose your idea of proof is "Because I said so?"  You are the worst troll I have seen in a while.  At least the other trolls here try to provide some twisted sort of proof that they can spin to support their statements.

Maybe kami is just a common shill. Possibly even friends with sir shillsalot.

I am a hobby photographer and I have a experimenet who everybody can do at home. take a medium class camera (doenst have to be pro, but a little better than just a mobile) and a tripod! on a clear night you go outside and take a long exposure from the night sky! you will see that on northerhemisphere all the stars spin clockwisely around polaris!
now go to the southernhemisphere or ask a FE fellow from down under to do the same and he will see that the night sky spins around the southern cross ANTI-clockwise!!
now how does that fit in your theory? If earth would be flat we would see all the same sky (maybe different sections of it) but it wouldnt be possible to have more than one spining pole and two different directions!

LOLOOLLOLLO and more capitals. The hub stars rotate clockwise the latter half anticlockwise. this is why the wise men could follow the star....