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« on: May 06, 2016, 08:08:24 AM »
These two Scottish lads put it to you in basic form. The globe is a load of nonsense and it takes only one simple bit of logic to understand this.
Like they say in the video; it's not about knowing what Earth is, whether it's a certain shape, without concrete proof, It's about knowing what it "isn't" with concrete proof - and basic  proof at that.
Put simply; water cannot stay on a globe and will always find it's level.

All you people who want the basic of logic and a easily explained down to Earth (pardon the pun) view of simplicity - then view all of the videos these two lads put out.
I understand their accent easily but some people might not. Most people will get the gist of it all and of course, there will be plenty that will refuse to.
I'm not interested in those that refuse to. Just the people that want to understand that reality and truth can be found by going straight into basics.

Anyway, watch the videos and tell me what you think. Personally, I think these two lads are top notch and to the point, with no airs and graces.
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2016, 09:56:52 AM »
I tried to make if through the video, however only made it through 5 mins until it was like nails on a chalk board. Then I skipped around some and found nothing. Just an angry Scottish guy, lots of profanity, and well thats all I got.

As for the water curvature, which is all I could really get of any type of "argument". It's not hard to really understand if the mainstream version of gravity is accepted. " Down" is towards the core of earth so all water is trying to go "down", so as you make it around the globe " down" would always be relative. If you had a globe with lets say an equal lenght of a mile of water in depth, the water would appear to "curve" even though in a technical sense it's not. It's just all trying to go "down" at different spots of the globe.

In light of this video I attempted to put this in the simplest dumbed down words and phrases as possible.
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2016, 10:05:20 AM »
I tried to make if through the video, however only made it through 5 mins until it was like nails on a chalk board. Then I skipped around some and found nothing. Just an angry Scottish guy, lots of profanity, and well thats all I got.

As for the water curvature, which is all I could really get of any type of "argument". It's not hard to really understand if the mainstream version of gravity is accepted. " Down" is towards the core of earth so all water is trying to go "down", so as you make it around the globe " down" would always be relative. If you had a globe with lets say an equal lenght of a mile of water in depth, the water would appear to "curve" even though in a technical sense it's not. It's just all trying to go "down" at different spots of the globe.

In light of this video I attempted to put this in the simplest dumbed down words and phrases as possible.
If you read up on what I said, I said that it was for all those who wanted basic logic, told by down to Earth, no airs and graces Scottish lads.
You didn't really need to answer. You should have by-passed the topic. It's not for the severely indoctrinated, it's for those that want to start from scratch.

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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2016, 10:09:30 AM »
There was nothing "to the point" about that video (at least in the few minutes I watched).  I'm not sure what is so complicated about water being attracted to the surface of a sphere.

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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2016, 12:41:42 PM »
There was nothing "to the point" about that video (at least in the few minutes I watched).  I'm not sure what is so complicated about water being attracted to the surface of a sphere.
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2016, 12:51:28 PM »
There was nothing "to the point" about that video (at least in the few minutes I watched).  I'm not sure what is so complicated about water being attracted to the surface of a sphere.

You're applying what you see at small scales and thinking it applies directly to larger scales.  It does not.  It WILL and DOES curve on the globe.  Sea level means a constant distance from the center.  Thinking it would look like the middle of the pic on the left would mean the water in the center is closer to the center of the globe than at the edges.  the surface would only be horizontal at the center and not at the edges.

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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2016, 12:59:18 PM »
I tried to make if through the video, however only made it through 5 mins until it was like nails on a chalk board. Then I skipped around some and found nothing. Just an angry Scottish guy, lots of profanity, and well thats all I got.

As for the water curvature, which is all I could really get of any type of "argument". It's not hard to really understand if the mainstream version of gravity is accepted. " Down" is towards the core of earth so all water is trying to go "down", so as you make it around the globe " down" would always be relative. If you had a globe with lets say an equal lenght of a mile of water in depth, the water would appear to "curve" even though in a technical sense it's not. It's just all trying to go "down" at different spots of the globe.

In light of this video I attempted to put this in the simplest dumbed down words and phrases as possible.
If you read up on what I said, I said that it was for all those who wanted basic logic, told by down to Earth, no airs and graces Scottish lads.
You didn't really need to answer. You should have by-passed the topic. It's not for the severely indoctrinated, it's for those that want to start from scratch.

Well if you consider wanting an argument to be more than a Scottish guy using profanity and repeating the same statement for 30 minutes... Then yes call me indoctrinated, and I prefer to stay that way by this definition. Anytime I would attend a formal debate, as soon as I saw anger or heard profanity, I knew I had already won.


Also let's not confuse the fact, just because of my education and experiences that my whole world would collapse if I found out the earth was flat. It is entirely the opposite....I would be extremely excited and want to learn as much as I could, it would more than likely cause me to open my horizons even further than they are. Long story short, I think it would be awesome if the world were flat, I really would. Though I only look at logic and evidence, not hopes and dreams.
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2016, 01:05:24 PM »
There was nothing "to the point" about that video (at least in the few minutes I watched).  I'm not sure what is so complicated about water being attracted to the surface of a sphere.

You're applying what you see at small scales and thinking it applies directly to larger scales.  It does not.  It WILL and DOES curve on the globe.  Sea level means a constant distance from the center.  Thinking it would look like the middle of the pic on the left would mean the water in the center is closer to the center of the globe than at the edges.  the surface would only be horizontal at the center and not at the edges.

Ditto, this was going to be my next statement.

It's an issue of scale, yet also an issue of not being able to recreate mass sufficient enough to run such an experiment. If we could I have no doubt water would attract to said object like it does the earth.
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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2016, 01:05:49 PM »
There was nothing "to the point" about that video (at least in the few minutes I watched).  I'm not sure what is so complicated about water being attracted to the surface of a sphere.

Straight and level are not the same thing.
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2016, 01:13:25 PM »
There was nothing "to the point" about that video (at least in the few minutes I watched).  I'm not sure what is so complicated about water being attracted to the surface of a sphere.

You're applying what you see at small scales and thinking it applies directly to larger scales.  It does not.  It WILL and DOES curve on the globe.  Sea level means a constant distance from the center.  Thinking it would look like the middle of the pic on the left would mean the water in the center is closer to the center of the globe than at the edges.  the surface would only be horizontal at the center and not at the edges.
Give me proof of that...please.
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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2016, 01:17:41 PM »
There was nothing "to the point" about that video (at least in the few minutes I watched).  I'm not sure what is so complicated about water being attracted to the surface of a sphere.

You're applying what you see at small scales and thinking it applies directly to larger scales.  It does not.  It WILL and DOES curve on the globe.  Sea level means a constant distance from the center.  Thinking it would look like the middle of the pic on the left would mean the water in the center is closer to the center of the globe than at the edges.  the surface would only be horizontal at the center and not at the edges.
Give me proof of that...please.
Proof of what?  That it wouldn't form a straight line making the edges farther away from the center and therefore higher than the center? 

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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2016, 01:30:01 PM »
Actually since silly little experiments mean "absolute" proof apparently. He is a silly little one that should be "easy" to debunk.

Fill a glass of water all the way to the top, to where it is going to overflow. Then kneel down and look at the top of the glass. Look how the water is "over" the top of the glass but still not overflowing out of the glass. It also looks like the center of the water is just a hair higher than the sides.

Just "throwing" this out there
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2016, 01:34:27 PM »
There was nothing "to the point" about that video (at least in the few minutes I watched).  I'm not sure what is so complicated about water being attracted to the surface of a sphere.

You're applying what you see at small scales and thinking it applies directly to larger scales.  It does not.  It WILL and DOES curve on the globe.  Sea level means a constant distance from the center.  Thinking it would look like the middle of the pic on the left would mean the water in the center is closer to the center of the globe than at the edges.  the surface would only be horizontal at the center and not at the edges.
Give me proof of that...please.
Proof of what?  That it wouldn't form a straight line making the edges farther away from the center and therefore higher than the center?
I believe water is level on any scale and you said it only works or is level on a small scale. I just want you to give me proof it only is level on a small scale. I've been to sea and I could see for 10 miles from left to right and it looked level to me. Just give me some scientific proof I'm wrong. That should be easy if you believe what you say.
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2016, 01:37:01 PM »
Actually since silly little experiments mean "absolute" proof apparently. He is a silly little one that should be "easy" to debunk.

Fill a glass of water all the way to the top, to where it is going to overflow. Then kneel down and look at the top of the glass. Look how the water is "over" the top of the glass but still not overflowing out of the glass. It also looks like the center of the water is just a hair higher than the sides.

Just "throwing" this out there

You must be talking about surface tension. Put a drop of detergent in the water and see of it overflows then.
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2016, 01:46:32 PM »
There was nothing "to the point" about that video (at least in the few minutes I watched).  I'm not sure what is so complicated about water being attracted to the surface of a sphere.

You're applying what you see at small scales and thinking it applies directly to larger scales.  It does not.  It WILL and DOES curve on the globe.  Sea level means a constant distance from the center.  Thinking it would look like the middle of the pic on the left would mean the water in the center is closer to the center of the globe than at the edges.  the surface would only be horizontal at the center and not at the edges.
Give me proof of that...please.
Proof of what?  That it wouldn't form a straight line making the edges farther away from the center and therefore higher than the center?
I believe water is level on any scale and you said it only works or is level on a small scale. I just want you to give me proof it only is level on a small scale. I've been to sea and I could see for 10 miles from left to right and it looked level to me. Just give me some scientific proof I'm wrong. That should be easy if you believe what you say.
No, I did not say it was only level on a small scale.  I said you were applying small scale thinking to large scales.  Yes, it will look level, the Earth is BIG.  Locally, at any location it will be level.  it will not be flat on a large scale as that would require part to be closer to the center of the Earth than other parts and then the parts that are not closer would not be horizontal.

Proof? Anything you'd actually accept?  Based on previous conversation, I doubt it.  We have pics from space (which you likely think are fake), the fact that objects disappear from the bottom up and are not brought back with a telescope but are brought back with an increase in altitude, the fact that RADAR and radio are subject to a horizon that increases with altitude and not with a power increase, the fact that these horizons are predictable, the fact that the maps of the world only fit together in a sphere shape. 

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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2016, 01:50:11 PM »
Actually since silly little experiments mean "absolute" proof apparently. He is a silly little one that should be "easy" to debunk.

Fill a glass of water all the way to the top, to where it is going to overflow. Then kneel down and look at the top of the glass. Look how the water is "over" the top of the glass but still not overflowing out of the glass. It also looks like the center of the water is just a hair higher than the sides.

Just "throwing" this out there

You must be talking about surface tension. Put a drop of detergent in the water and see of it overflows then.

Yes, my whole point was just that water can "curve" for lack of better words.

I would think it is awesome for the world to be flat! Not only would it mean I get to learn the world I live in all over again. It would also seriously point to a creator, which would support my views even more in the spirituality side.

However, I just haven't found that smoking gun, and so so many signs point to a globe.
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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2016, 02:11:15 PM »
There was nothing "to the point" about that video (at least in the few minutes I watched).  I'm not sure what is so complicated about water being attracted to the surface of a sphere.

You're applying what you see at small scales and thinking it applies directly to larger scales.  It does not.  It WILL and DOES curve on the globe.  Sea level means a constant distance from the center.  Thinking it would look like the middle of the pic on the left would mean the water in the center is closer to the center of the globe than at the edges.  the surface would only be horizontal at the center and not at the edges.
Give me proof of that...please.
Proof of what?  That it wouldn't form a straight line making the edges farther away from the center and therefore higher than the center?
I believe water is level on any scale and you said it only works or is level on a small scale. I just want you to give me proof it only is level on a small scale. I've been to sea and I could see for 10 miles from left to right and it looked level to me. Just give me some scientific proof I'm wrong. That should be easy if you believe what you say.
No, I did not say it was only level on a small scale.  I said you were applying small scale thinking to large scales.  Yes, it will look level, the Earth is BIG.  Locally, at any location it will be level.  it will not be flat on a large scale as that would require part to be closer to the center of the Earth than other parts and then the parts that are not closer would not be horizontal.

Proof? Anything you'd actually accept?  Based on previous conversation, I doubt it.  We have pics from space (which you likely think are fake), the fact that objects disappear from the bottom up and are not brought back with a telescope but are brought back with an increase in altitude, the fact that RADAR and radio are subject to a horizon that increases with altitude and not with a power increase, the fact that these horizons are predictable, the fact that the maps of the world only fit together in a sphere shape.

There has been too many experiments done that proves water is level where it should have curved. Why would I not believe it maintains level on a big scale after all salt flats are level, Kansas is level, even the state I live in is level?

I've seen NASA pictures of earth from space and I can show you duplicate cloud formations all over. What would cause me to believe they aren't fake?

I have seen ships disappear from sight and magnification brings them back in view. I never had to go higher to see them return. Why would I doubt as long as the atmosphere is clear enough to see through I couldn't see ships return with more magnification?

I have seen RADAR work where the target should have been impossible to detect if the earth is curved. Why would I believe it curves at all?

 
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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2016, 02:17:18 PM »
Actually since silly little experiments mean "absolute" proof apparently. He is a silly little one that should be "easy" to debunk.

Fill a glass of water all the way to the top, to where it is going to overflow. Then kneel down and look at the top of the glass. Look how the water is "over" the top of the glass but still not overflowing out of the glass. It also looks like the center of the water is just a hair higher than the sides.

Just "throwing" this out there

You must be talking about surface tension. Put a drop of detergent in the water and see of it overflows then.

Yes, my whole point was just that water can "curve" for lack of better words.

I would think it is awesome for the world to be flat! Not only would it mean I get to learn the world I live in all over again. It would also seriously point to a creator, which would support my views even more in the spirituality side.

However, I just haven't found that smoking gun, and so so many signs point to a globe.

You mean you haven't had a smoking gun hit you in the head yet. I have seen many smoking guns to convince me the earth is definitely not a globe. If it wasn't for NASA, as smart as you are, I know you would not believe it either. You have to look at this stuff, as it says in the Bible, through the eyes of a child. If you really want to know you have to look for it and study it. It won't come if you don't.
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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2016, 02:35:28 PM »
Actually since silly little experiments mean "absolute" proof apparently. He is a silly little one that should be "easy" to debunk.

Fill a glass of water all the way to the top, to where it is going to overflow. Then kneel down and look at the top of the glass. Look how the water is "over" the top of the glass but still not overflowing out of the glass. It also looks like the center of the water is just a hair higher than the sides.

Just "throwing" this out there

You must be talking about surface tension. Put a drop of detergent in the water and see of it overflows then.

Yes, my whole point was just that water can "curve" for lack of better words.

I would think it is awesome for the world to be flat! Not only would it mean I get to learn the world I live in all over again. It would also seriously point to a creator, which would support my views even more in the spirituality side.

However, I just haven't found that smoking gun, and so so many signs point to a globe.

You mean you haven't had a smoking gun hit you in the head yet. I have seen many smoking guns to convince me the earth is definitely not a globe. If it wasn't for NASA, as smart as you are, I know you would not believe it either. You have to look at this stuff, as it says in the Bible, through the eyes of a child. If you really want to know you have to look for it and study it. It won't come if you don't.

I do agree with you. However, the Bible itself is even sketchy on the shape of the earth. These are one of many reasons I am mildly fluent in 2nd gen Hebrew and Greek, to try and study exactly what it says. Many mentions of the world shape is usually in metaphors. The few times a more definitive shape has been mentioned, it alluded more to a globe. However, what I take from the Bible, I feel it really is not a super important aspect.

If Yehushua said straight from His mouth that the earth is flat, and it is important we let no one convince us otherwise. I would hold steady to that no matter what I was told, and I would not have even went into the field that I did.

Do you realize I was considered an idiot, especially the last two years of schooling because of my beliefs? It did not matter my grades, accomplishments or age. I cared not (also, evolution collapses under its own ignorance, beliefs don't matter here yet this is another subject)

The whole point is the God I believe in, those words and revelations mean more to me than man's.

Let me ask you this, what are your top 5 "smoking gun proofs" that you have found. Please know I ask this with respect and no sense of sarcasm, I am truly interested.
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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2016, 03:08:13 PM »
There was nothing "to the point" about that video (at least in the few minutes I watched).  I'm not sure what is so complicated about water being attracted to the surface of a sphere.

You're applying what you see at small scales and thinking it applies directly to larger scales.  It does not.  It WILL and DOES curve on the globe.  Sea level means a constant distance from the center.  Thinking it would look like the middle of the pic on the left would mean the water in the center is closer to the center of the globe than at the edges.  the surface would only be horizontal at the center and not at the edges.
Give me proof of that...please.
Proof of what?  That it wouldn't form a straight line making the edges farther away from the center and therefore higher than the center?
I believe water is level on any scale and you said it only works or is level on a small scale. I just want you to give me proof it only is level on a small scale. I've been to sea and I could see for 10 miles from left to right and it looked level to me. Just give me some scientific proof I'm wrong. That should be easy if you believe what you say.
No, I did not say it was only level on a small scale.  I said you were applying small scale thinking to large scales.  Yes, it will look level, the Earth is BIG.  Locally, at any location it will be level.  it will not be flat on a large scale as that would require part to be closer to the center of the Earth than other parts and then the parts that are not closer would not be horizontal.

Proof? Anything you'd actually accept?  Based on previous conversation, I doubt it.  We have pics from space (which you likely think are fake), the fact that objects disappear from the bottom up and are not brought back with a telescope but are brought back with an increase in altitude, the fact that RADAR and radio are subject to a horizon that increases with altitude and not with a power increase, the fact that these horizons are predictable, the fact that the maps of the world only fit together in a sphere shape.

There has been too many experiments done that proves water is level where it should have curved. Why would I not believe it maintains level on a big scale after all salt flats are level, Kansas is level, even the state I live in is level?
Level does not mean flat.  Level on a globe means the same distance from the center.  Salt flats and Kansas are level but they are NOT flat.  There are measured curves to both.

I've seen NASA pictures of earth from space and I can show you duplicate cloud formations all over. What would cause me to believe they aren't fake?
Duplicate clouds appear on images that are made from composites that are stitched together.  That happens when the images come from lower satellites.  It does NOT happen on all images.

I have seen ships disappear from sight and magnification brings them back in view. I never had to go higher to see them return.
Then they were NOT over the horizon.

Why would I doubt as long as the atmosphere is clear enough to see through I couldn't see ships return with more magnification?
Because that idea is demonstrably false.

I have seen RADAR work where the target should have been impossible to detect if the earth is curved. Why would I believe it curves at all?
You say you have but on the relevant thread you were unable to back up your case.  Range with RADAR increases with altitude.  If the world was flat then you could simply increase range with increased power but that does not work.

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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2016, 04:26:00 PM »
The scottish education system failed,  that's hardly news.    Either that or these two likely lads are taking the mickey.   Borderline un-watchable.
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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2016, 04:50:01 PM »
There has been too many experiments done that proves water is level where it should have curved. Why would I not believe it maintains level on a big scale after all salt flats are level, Kansas is level, even the state I live in is level?
It does maintain 'level' over long distances on a globe.  The elevation from the center does not change.

I believe water is level on any scale and you said it only works or is level on a small scale. I just want you to give me proof it only is level on a small scale.
It is level on any scale.  It only appears "flat" (as in no curvature) on a smaller scale.

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I've been to sea and I could see for 10 miles from left to right and it looked level to me.
Why wouldn't it from that elevation since the horizon is the same distance from you from left to right.

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Just give me some scientific proof I'm wrong. That should be easy if you believe what you say.
I guess photographs don't count?

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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2016, 05:55:31 PM »
I forgot - what was the FET explanation for the view across Lake Michigan to Chicago?


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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2016, 12:32:11 AM »
Actually since silly little experiments mean "absolute" proof apparently. He is a silly little one that should be "easy" to debunk.

Fill a glass of water all the way to the top, to where it is going to overflow. Then kneel down and look at the top of the glass. Look how the water is "over" the top of the glass but still not overflowing out of the glass. It also looks like the center of the water is just a hair higher than the sides.

Just "throwing" this out there
Typical weak as piss argument.   The video by the two Scottish lads in straight to the point. Simple logic. In truth, nothing else needs to be said to prove the Earth is not a globe. Yendor has just added shown you all a diagram.
The fact is, it can be proved that water always finds its level and none of you globalists can prove otherwise, except to come out with basic unprovable nonsense.

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Re: Watch this video and listen to simple undeniable logic.
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2016, 12:39:52 AM »
The scottish education system failed,  that's hardly news.    Either that or these two likely lads are taking the mickey.   Borderline un-watchable.
Of course it's un-watchable to the likes of you. These lads have basic common sense. they see things and figure things out by using it. They don't just accept anything told to them if it doesn't make sense.
The very fact that you are attacking their country - and them, shows you have lost.
This topic is not for the likes of you. It's for those that can think for themselves, without citing the brainwashed ready to read answers that have not a shred of proof, physically and basically.

The proof about water finding its level, is there for all to observe, physically and basically. Desperation won't change that, Rayzor .

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sceptimatic

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Re: Watch this video and listen to simple undeniable logic.
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2016, 12:51:52 AM »
Actually since silly little experiments mean "absolute" proof apparently. He is a silly little one that should be "easy" to debunk.

Fill a glass of water all the way to the top, to where it is going to overflow. Then kneel down and look at the top of the glass. Look how the water is "over" the top of the glass but still not overflowing out of the glass. It also looks like the center of the water is just a hair higher than the sides.

Just "throwing" this out there

You must be talking about surface tension. Put a drop of detergent in the water and see of it overflows then.

Yes, my whole point was just that water can "curve" for lack of better words.

I would think it is awesome for the world to be flat! Not only would it mean I get to learn the world I live in all over again. It would also seriously point to a creator, which would support my views even more in the spirituality side.

However, I just haven't found that smoking gun, and so so many signs point to a globe.
You never learned the world you live in, in the first place. You were coaxed into believing what you were told about it.
The truth is that none of us know the world we live in. Well, let's say, none of us ordinary people and only a guess as to who or what might know the entire truth, if there is one.
That's the beauty of the video. It's basic and to the point. The globe we are told we live on, is nonsense for the reason given in the video.
The issue (as those lads say) is in finding out what Earth actually is and if all genuine people started putting their heads together and flowing in the right direction - which means, not by the indoctrination of globalisation. then we might figure out the truth, or close to it.

Flat and concave and many other thought processes can all be picked at and a piece of each can be set aside as potential fits.
What has to be discarded is the notion of us living on a ball - spinning in space around a big nuclear sun and all the rest of the gunk.

It's not even worth arguing it because it falls at the first hurdle. The first observable hurdle, which is water level.
That will never compute to a person who has the diagram of the star ship enterprise engine compartment, because those people just can't comprehend simple, basic logic and must - need - have to find the most complicated route to a simple notion.

That's fine if they want to do that. I would just rather they stay out of this topic and leave it to those who genuinely want to figure out the truth.
You pretend you want to, so let's see something from you. If not, then don't bother arguing your globe.

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Re: Watch this video and listen to simple undeniable logic.
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2016, 08:33:02 AM »
The video is opinion based. Here in the real world evidence is needed.
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Re: Watch this video and listen to simple undeniable logic.
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2016, 10:29:18 AM »
Actually since silly little experiments mean "absolute" proof apparently. He is a silly little one that should be "easy" to debunk.

Fill a glass of water all the way to the top, to where it is going to overflow. Then kneel down and look at the top of the glass. Look how the water is "over" the top of the glass but still not overflowing out of the glass. It also looks like the center of the water is just a hair higher than the sides.

Just "throwing" this out there

You must be talking about surface tension. Put a drop of detergent in the water and see of it overflows then.

Yes, my whole point was just that water can "curve" for lack of better words.

I would think it is awesome for the world to be flat! Not only would it mean I get to learn the world I live in all over again. It would also seriously point to a creator, which would support my views even more in the spirituality side.

However, I just haven't found that smoking gun, and so so many signs point to a globe.

You mean you haven't had a smoking gun hit you in the head yet. I have seen many smoking guns to convince me the earth is definitely not a globe. If it wasn't for NASA, as smart as you are, I know you would not believe it either. You have to look at this stuff, as it says in the Bible, through the eyes of a child. If you really want to know you have to look for it and study it. It won't come if you don't.

I do agree with you. However, the Bible itself is even sketchy on the shape of the earth. These are one of many reasons I am mildly fluent in 2nd gen Hebrew and Greek, to try and study exactly what it says. Many mentions of the world shape is usually in metaphors. The few times a more definitive shape has been mentioned, it alluded more to a globe. However, what I take from the Bible, I feel it really is not a super important aspect.

If Yehushua said straight from His mouth that the earth is flat, and it is important we let no one convince us otherwise. I would hold steady to that no matter what I was told, and I would not have even went into the field that I did.

Do you realize I was considered an idiot, especially the last two years of schooling because of my beliefs? It did not matter my grades, accomplishments or age. I cared not (also, evolution collapses under its own ignorance, beliefs don't matter here yet this is another subject)

The whole point is the God I believe in, those words and revelations mean more to me than man's.

Let me ask you this, what are your top 5 "smoking gun proofs" that you have found. Please know I ask this with respect and no sense of sarcasm, I am truly interested.

I have no 'smoking gun proofs' all I have is a belief that a lot of the so called 'scientific facts' are just ways to turn us from God. A lot of scientist don't believe in God and because they don't they don't want God to have any glory. The Bible tells us God created us in his image, science tells us we came from sea scum and we are nothing special. The Bible tells us God created a special place for us called earth. Science tells us earth came from a big bang of nothing. To me, I simply don't believe science is correct because I can feel and see the presence of God and to me it is only logical that creation came from a creator called God. If science is steering us down the wrong path or trying to make us believe in something that has no proof how can one be sure they aren't doing it in other ways? To me, these two issues alone is enough to make me skeptical of science. If anyone tells me that they don't believe in God, I simply don't believe them and I'm a little skeptical of other things they may say that appear to deny the existence of God. Why should science be any different? This is just me, you may believe otherwise.
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
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Re: Watch this video and listen to simple undeniable logic.
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2016, 11:00:49 AM »
Actually since silly little experiments mean "absolute" proof apparently. He is a silly little one that should be "easy" to debunk.

Fill a glass of water all the way to the top, to where it is going to overflow. Then kneel down and look at the top of the glass. Look how the water is "over" the top of the glass but still not overflowing out of the glass. It also looks like the center of the water is just a hair higher than the sides.

Just "throwing" this out there

You must be talking about surface tension. Put a drop of detergent in the water and see of it overflows then.

Yes, my whole point was just that water can "curve" for lack of better words.

I would think it is awesome for the world to be flat! Not only would it mean I get to learn the world I live in all over again. It would also seriously point to a creator, which would support my views even more in the spirituality side.

However, I just haven't found that smoking gun, and so so many signs point to a globe.

You mean you haven't had a smoking gun hit you in the head yet. I have seen many smoking guns to convince me the earth is definitely not a globe. If it wasn't for NASA, as smart as you are, I know you would not believe it either. You have to look at this stuff, as it says in the Bible, through the eyes of a child. If you really want to know you have to look for it and study it. It won't come if you don't.

I do agree with you. However, the Bible itself is even sketchy on the shape of the earth. These are one of many reasons I am mildly fluent in 2nd gen Hebrew and Greek, to try and study exactly what it says. Many mentions of the world shape is usually in metaphors. The few times a more definitive shape has been mentioned, it alluded more to a globe. However, what I take from the Bible, I feel it really is not a super important aspect.

If Yehushua said straight from His mouth that the earth is flat, and it is important we let no one convince us otherwise. I would hold steady to that no matter what I was told, and I would not have even went into the field that I did.

Do you realize I was considered an idiot, especially the last two years of schooling because of my beliefs? It did not matter my grades, accomplishments or age. I cared not (also, evolution collapses under its own ignorance, beliefs don't matter here yet this is another subject)

The whole point is the God I believe in, those words and revelations mean more to me than man's.

Let me ask you this, what are your top 5 "smoking gun proofs" that you have found. Please know I ask this with respect and no sense of sarcasm, I am truly interested.

I have no 'smoking gun proofs' all I have is a belief that a lot of the so called 'scientific facts' are just ways to turn us from God. A lot of scientist don't believe in God and because they don't they don't want God to have any glory. The Bible tells us God created us in his image, science tells us we came from sea scum and we are nothing special. The Bible tells us God created a special place for us called earth. Science tells us earth came from a big bang of nothing. To me, I simply don't believe science is correct because I can feel and see the presence of God and to me it is only logical that creation came from a creator called God. If science is steering us down the wrong path or trying to make us believe in something that has no proof how can one be sure they aren't doing it in other ways? To me, these two issues alone is enough to make me skeptical of science. If anyone tells me that they don't believe in God, I simply don't believe them and I'm a little skeptical of other things they may say that appear to deny the existence of God. Why should science be any different? This is just me, you may believe otherwise.

I do agree with you here...I really do. As I have stated many times modern science is 2 percent science and 98 percent conclusion of whatever entity is sponsoring or controlling the "data".

Never accept anyone's " word" when you hear the "results" of a test. Look at the actual data (which is actually very hard to find), when you see that you will truly see how biased the "conclusions" are.

For example a statistics run in a small community figured out  the women were having children earlier. Instead of looking at the obvious factors such as the community standing, religious, financials, morale, ect ect ect. These are all common things you would look at in this scenario. However, instead in big letters "PROOF EVOLUTION IS STILL HAPPENING!!!" Ignoring any other factor...I mean give me a break. This was real and was published...

Yes it has been the goal of humans to delete God in anyway. We don't like to have to answer to someone, we do not like not being the top dog in the food chain..it is humanistic characteristics. Plenty of warnings in the Bible. Plus the oldest trick in the book to lead us astray. Satan used it in the garden, and hasn't had to change the M.O. yet, if it isnt broken don't fix it.

However, in this day and age, the "deletion" of God I actually find possible. With the  governments becoming God (and they don't like to share their glory), science being their magic, and technology allowing one voice to rule an entire planet...these are ingredients to accomplish what people have been trying to do since the beginning. Not to mention most "believers" are just giving lip service at church to fit in with their "club" it's not real belief. I have been screwed over worse by "religious" people more than any athiest. Though this has all been warned to use already, so it is no surprise.

And let me tell you, I only knew one other open believer in God when I graduated. He was ridiculed just as much as I was. When you get to a masters+, God is basically non existent. I was always at least top 5 in my class (sometimes raising to the top in certain areas) and had my bachelor's a week before my 18th bday, finished my doctorates and masters a year and a half early. However, none of this mattered....you are still an idiot and a loser,  even though by academic standards, they were "less intelligent" than I.

Then as I moved into my profession, things did not improve. The only change is they look more at your work than "you". Clients still think I am stupid, but they want my service lol. So we just don't talk about it.

Ending it, I do really enjoy true non biased science. To its core it is not evil. However just like anything can be, it can be used for evil and certainly is.

It's a lonely walk trying to stay true to things. In the music field it is no different. Also you won't catch me in a church, they are no different than cults, and only care for their own power and control. It's a lonely world lol....but this existence is only a blink of an eye
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Re: Watch this video and listen to simple undeniable logic.
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2016, 12:22:09 PM »
Actually since silly little experiments mean "absolute" proof apparently. He is a silly little one that should be "easy" to debunk.

Fill a glass of water all the way to the top, to where it is going to overflow. Then kneel down and look at the top of the glass. Look how the water is "over" the top of the glass but still not overflowing out of the glass. It also looks like the center of the water is just a hair higher than the sides.

Just "throwing" this out there

You must be talking about surface tension. Put a drop of detergent in the water and see of it overflows then.

Yes, my whole point was just that water can "curve" for lack of better words.

I would think it is awesome for the world to be flat! Not only would it mean I get to learn the world I live in all over again. It would also seriously point to a creator, which would support my views even more in the spirituality side.

However, I just haven't found that smoking gun, and so so many signs point to a globe.

You mean you haven't had a smoking gun hit you in the head yet. I have seen many smoking guns to convince me the earth is definitely not a globe. If it wasn't for NASA, as smart as you are, I know you would not believe it either. You have to look at this stuff, as it says in the Bible, through the eyes of a child. If you really want to know you have to look for it and study it. It won't come if you don't.

I do agree with you. However, the Bible itself is even sketchy on the shape of the earth. These are one of many reasons I am mildly fluent in 2nd gen Hebrew and Greek, to try and study exactly what it says. Many mentions of the world shape is usually in metaphors. The few times a more definitive shape has been mentioned, it alluded more to a globe. However, what I take from the Bible, I feel it really is not a super important aspect.

If Yehushua said straight from His mouth that the earth is flat, and it is important we let no one convince us otherwise. I would hold steady to that no matter what I was told, and I would not have even went into the field that I did.

Do you realize I was considered an idiot, especially the last two years of schooling because of my beliefs? It did not matter my grades, accomplishments or age. I cared not (also, evolution collapses under its own ignorance, beliefs don't matter here yet this is another subject)

The whole point is the God I believe in, those words and revelations mean more to me than man's.

Let me ask you this, what are your top 5 "smoking gun proofs" that you have found. Please know I ask this with respect and no sense of sarcasm, I am truly interested.

I have no 'smoking gun proofs' all I have is a belief that a lot of the so called 'scientific facts' are just ways to turn us from God. A lot of scientist don't believe in God and because they don't they don't want God to have any glory. The Bible tells us God created us in his image, science tells us we came from sea scum and we are nothing special. The Bible tells us God created a special place for us called earth. Science tells us earth came from a big bang of nothing. To me, I simply don't believe science is correct because I can feel and see the presence of God and to me it is only logical that creation came from a creator called God. If science is steering us down the wrong path or trying to make us believe in something that has no proof how can one be sure they aren't doing it in other ways? To me, these two issues alone is enough to make me skeptical of science. If anyone tells me that they don't believe in God, I simply don't believe them and I'm a little skeptical of other things they may say that appear to deny the existence of God. Why should science be any different? This is just me, you may believe otherwise.

I do agree with you here...I really do. As I have stated many times modern science is 2 percent science and 98 percent conclusion of whatever entity is sponsoring or controlling the "data".

Never accept anyone's " word" when you hear the "results" of a test. Look at the actual data (which is actually very hard to find), when you see that you will truly see how biased the "conclusions" are.

For example a statistics run in a small community figured out  the women were having children earlier. Instead of looking at the obvious factors such as the community standing, religious, financials, morale, ect ect ect. These are all common things you would look at in this scenario. However, instead in big letters "PROOF EVOLUTION IS STILL HAPPENING!!!" Ignoring any other factor...I mean give me a break. This was real and was published...

Yes it has been the goal of humans to delete God in anyway. We don't like to have to answer to someone, we do not like not being the top dog in the food chain..it is humanistic characteristics. Plenty of warnings in the Bible. Plus the oldest trick in the book to lead us astray. Satan used it in the garden, and hasn't had to change the M.O. yet, if it isnt broken don't fix it.

However, in this day and age, the "deletion" of God I actually find possible. With the  governments becoming God (and they don't like to share their glory), science being their magic, and technology allowing one voice to rule an entire planet...these are ingredients to accomplish what people have been trying to do since the beginning. Not to mention most "believers" are just giving lip service at church to fit in with their "club" it's not real belief. I have been screwed over worse by "religious" people more than any athiest. Though this has all been warned to use already, so it is no surprise.

And let me tell you, I only knew one other open believer in God when I graduated. He was ridiculed just as much as I was. When you get to a masters+, God is basically non existent. I was always at least top 5 in my class (sometimes raising to the top in certain areas) and had my bachelor's a week before my 18th bday, finished my doctorates and masters a year and a half early. However, none of this mattered....you are still an idiot and a loser,  even though by academic standards, they were "less intelligent" than I.

Then as I moved into my profession, things did not improve. The only change is they look more at your work than "you". Clients still think I am stupid, but they want my service lol. So we just don't talk about it.

Ending it, I do really enjoy true non biased science. To its core it is not evil. However just like anything can be, it can be used for evil and certainly is.

It's a lonely walk trying to stay true to things. In the music field it is no different. Also you won't catch me in a church, they are no different than cults, and only care for their own power and control. It's a lonely world lol....but this existence is only a blink of an eye

You sound like a very wise person...I admire your accomplishments. I too find no refuge in churches. I haven't been to a church in many years except for funerals and I don't put my trust in many preachers either. Religion is just like anything else, it can be good and it can be bad; we are challenged to separate the two.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
                              George Orwell