moon cycle not matching sun

Hi all,
Just a question I noticed today.In Melbourne Australia at about 430 pm the sun was in the sky about 10 o'clock and the moon was about 12 o'clock in the sky. The moon was crescent but as the sun set about 615pm the creascent on moon hasnt changed.  As I'm told to believe the sun travels faster than tge moon so shouldn't the crescent change if earth is blocking the moon.??

If you can see the sun and moon at the same time
how could the Earth possibly be casting a shadow on the moon?

If you can see the sun and moon at the same time
how could the Earth possibly be casting a shadow on the moon?

I agree,
Since ive become aware of somethings that dont make sense in what science tells us.

I mentioned this to others and they agree,  its weird, just like where I live with a spotting scope I can see buildings 60km away as they stand.?

Since ive become aware of somethings that dont make sense in what science tells us.

The English language also appears to be your enemy.

The English language also appears to be your enemy.
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Sorry sent via phone and didnt proof read prior to posting.
Also why would you make no contributions to this if your on this forum for obvious reasons. ?
Your obviously just a troll.

Hi all,
Just a question I noticed today.In Melbourne Australia at about 430 pm the sun was in the sky about 10 o'clock and the moon was about 12 o'clock in the sky. The moon was crescent but as the sun set about 615pm the creascent on moon hasnt changed.  As I'm told to believe the sun travels faster than tge moon so shouldn't the crescent change if earth is blocking the moon.??

The phases of the moon are not caused by any shadow of the earth on the moon, but by the illuminated half of the moon being at an angle so we only see part of it. When we have a shadow of the earth falling on the moon we have a "lunar eclipse". The moon rotates around the earth once in about 27 days, so the phase of the moon changes quite slowly. In the diagrams on the right the light from the sun (yellow "rays")  comes in from the right, almost parallel, because the sun is so far away. The sizes of the earth and are far too large to be to scale. On the top diagram we see a "plan view" (looking down on the north pole) of the earth and moon. The yellow/black disks represent some moon locations for various phases and the pictures show roughly what those phases look like from earth. The moon's orbit is inclined to the earth-sun plane (the ecliptic) by about 5.2°. The lower view is the earth-sun seen side on. This partly explains why we only occasionally get a lunar eclipse.

The full moon rises almost at sunset and sets at sunrise. For all the other phases the moon will be in the sky for some of the day, though close to the new moon it will be so close to the sun it will be obscured by the glare.

I hope this explanation helps, and does not add to the confusion.

<<edit: removed offending '(in the opposite direction to the earth's rotation)">>

Please don't abuse the formating features, rabinoz.  It is annoying, pointless, and against the rules. 

How is he abusing the formatting?

If you can see the sun and moon at the same time
how could the Earth possibly be casting a shadow on the moon?

10/10 troll.

And he fell for it too.

Please don't abuse the formating features, rabinoz.  It is annoying, pointless, and against the rules.

I am sorry, but just where am I abusing the "formating features", why is it annoying, pointless and what rules is it against?

And, just why are the features there? The main reason I do it that way is to make the post more compact,as I for one find a post hard to read when is pages long, and the text widely separated from the diagrams referred to.

But, I guess you're the authority here.

why is it annoying,

You do realize what your post (the one jroa referred to) looks like, don't you?

Quote from: rabinoz on April 11, 2016, 08:50:05 PM

why is it annoying,

You do realize what your post (the one jroa referred to) looks like, don't you?

I must be slow! I'm still just as much in the dark as the FE moon.
Just what was getting up jroa's nose? I did screw up one point! I think someone saw that.

Ok,
I like in southern Australia south of Melbourne,  I get told the reason the moon has different phases is due to the angle of the moon. If the moon was a ball then how does it have angles? Also how can the moon have the same phases if the earth orbits the earth ? Therefore the moon at different distances , ie summer and winter ??

Ok,
I like in southern Australia south of Melbourne,  I get told the reason the moon has different phases is due to the angle of the moon. If the moon was a ball then how does it have angles? Also how can the moon have the same phases if the earth orbits the earth ? Therefore the moon at different distances , ie summer and winter ??

The angles is are created from the Sun, Earth and Moon. The Moon, orbiting the Earth and Earth/Moon orbiting the Sun, changes the angles over an almost 28 day period. The math involved (Okay I realized FE for the most part doesn't believe in math) predicts the phases of the Moon for any spot you need down to the minute.

And it is not as though this is anything new or poorly understood in the RE world. It is only when you enter the FE world where it gets hairy. There is no FE standard for WHY the Moon is illuminated. It ranges from a spotlight Sun shining on the Moon to bioluminescent bacteria on a continual migration in a perfect circle around the Lunar surface.

Ok,
I like in southern Australia south of Melbourne,  I get told the reason the moon has different phases is due to the angle of the moon. If the moon was a ball then how does it have angles? Also how can the moon have the same phases if the earth orbits the earth ? Therefore the moon at different distances , ie summer and winter ??

This might help:
Not that diagram is nowhere near to scale. The actual scale of the Earth and Moon is more like, though the sun is on the other side here:

Quote from: 29silhouette on April 12, 2016, 06:13:27 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on April 11, 2016, 08:50:05 PM

why is it annoying,

You do realize what your post (the one jroa referred to) looks like, don't you?

I must be slow! I'm still just as much in the dark as the FE moon.
Just what was getting up jroa's nose? I did screw up one point! I think someone saw that.

Most of the sentences in the post are formatted with only 1-3 words per line.  It is truly awful to read.... worse than a papa legba post.  That's how it shows up on my screen anyway.

Looks good to me:

Looks good to me:

Not so much here.

Please don't abuse the formating features, rabinoz.  It is annoying, pointless, and against the rules.

Had you been more specific I might have known what you meant! It wasn't until silhouette29 posted a screenshot that I saw the problem. Sorry about that, but I was using a 1920x1088 screen and did not appreciate how it would look on a narrower screen. This is what I hoped for (reduced!): Next time I'll worry less about "saving real-estate" and go for readability!

Had you been more specific I might have known what you meant!

You mean address the problem, show what is wrong, and help remedy the situation?  HA!

Anyway, At first I was thinking, "how does he not see what is wrong with that post?".  As soon as Palmerito0 posted a screen shot of what it was supposed to look like (and I can appreciate the layout of that), then I realized, "oh.... we're seeing different things here."  Problem solved at least.

Quote from: paulforaname on April 13, 2016, 06:15:13 AM

Ok,
I like in southern Australia south of Melbourne,  I get told the reason the moon has different phases is due to the angle of the moon. If the moon was a ball then how does it have angles? Also how can the moon have the same phases if the earth orbits the earth ? Therefore the moon at different distances , ie summer and winter ??

This might help:

From: Alternative Medicine
(not usually a source of "Astronomical Information"

Not that diagram is nowhere near to scale. The actual scale of the Earth and Moon is more like, though the sun is on the other side here:

Hi,
According to the current system, one day in earth is twenty four hours and four minutes. And it makes exactly twelve hours in six months and thus we don't see the swapping of day and night when the earth reaches the other side of the sun. But what about the moon phases? Why would they not swap and show the dark side of the moon to us in six months when the sunlight comes from the opposite side?

Quote from: rabinoz on April 13, 2016, 01:40:09 PM

Quote from: paulforaname on April 13, 2016, 06:15:13 AM

Ok,
I like in southern Australia south of Melbourne,  I get told the reason the moon has different phases is due to the angle of the moon. If the moon was a ball then how does it have angles? Also how can the moon have the same phases if the earth orbits the earth ? Therefore the moon at different distances , ie summer and winter ??

This might help:

From: Alternative Medicine
(not usually a source of "Astronomical Information"

Not that diagram is nowhere near to scale. The actual scale of the Earth and Moon is more like, though the sun is on the other side here:

Hi,
According to the current system, one day in earth is twenty four hours and four minutes. And it makes exactly twelve hours in six months and thus we don't see the swapping of day and night when the earth reaches the other side of the sun. But what about the moon phases? Why would they not swap and show the dark side of the moon to us in six months when the sunlight comes from the opposite side?

One solar day is 12 hours but that is slightly more then 360 degrees around.  One sidereal day is 23 hours 56 minutes and about 4 seconds.  You went the wrong direction.

Moon phases take about 29 days.  There is no dark side of the Moon as all of it eventually gets light.  There is a far side that we don't see due to the tidal locking of the Moon but that would not be affected by our trip around the sun.

Quote from: seekingtruth on April 17, 2016, 04:50:24 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on April 13, 2016, 01:40:09 PM

Quote from: paulforaname on April 13, 2016, 06:15:13 AM

Ok,
I like in southern Australia south of Melbourne,  I get told the reason the moon has different phases is due to the angle of the moon. If the moon was a ball then how does it have angles? Also how can the moon have the same phases if the earth orbits the earth ? Therefore the moon at different distances , ie summer and winter ??

This might help:

From: Alternative Medicine
(not usually a source of "Astronomical Information"

Not that diagram is nowhere near to scale. The actual scale of the Earth and Moon is more like, though the sun is on the other side here:

Hi,
According to the current system, one day in earth is twenty four hours and four minutes. And it makes exactly twelve hours in six months and thus we don't see the swapping of day and night when the earth reaches the other side of the sun. But what about the moon phases? Why would they not swap and show the dark side of the moon to us in six months when the sunlight comes from the opposite side?

One solar day is 12 hours but that is slightly more then 360 degrees around.  One sidereal day is 23 hours 56 minutes and about 4 seconds.  You went the wrong direction.

Moon phases take about 29 days.  There is no dark side of the Moon as all of it eventually gets light.  There is a far side that we don't see due to the tidal locking of the Moon but that would not be affected by our trip around the sun.

Thanks for answering.