Lake Pontchartrain Causeway Proves The Curvature Of The Earth

I don't understand. What did you mean by "manipulating space"?

Changing it from Euclidean (or roughly Euclidean, which all evidence indicates) to at least spherical in some dimensions, to render the surface of Earth flat, and have this flat surface loop in on itself.
It then needs to reverse this manipulation for light, to make light bend away from this flat surface.

Quote from: AFanOfTruth on October 12, 2017, 01:41:09 PM

I don't understand. What did you mean by "manipulating space"?

Changing it from Euclidean (or roughly Euclidean, which all evidence indicates) to at least spherical in some dimensions, to render the surface of Earth flat, and have this flat surface loop in on itself.
It then needs to reverse this manipulation for light, to make light bend away from this flat surface.

But also on a sphere, every line except for the geodesic lines, I assume are traversed by light, isn't straight, and any sphere, from any dimension, except for the greatest spheres, isn't flat, and thus the earth isn't flat also in your model.
Or do you make Earth the greatest sphere and the light move in strange ways, like in circles through the opposite point to its center?

But also on a sphere, every line except for the geodesic lines, I assume are traversed by light, isn't straight, and any sphere, from any dimension, except for the greatest spheres, isn't flat, and thus the earth isn't flat also in your model.
Or do you make Earth the greatest sphere and the light move in strange ways, like in circles through the opposite point to its center?

My model is one in which Earth is round, in flat space with curved space-time (although it could just be in very large spherical space which does actually make more sense in some ways).

But to have Earth be flat you need some form of non-Euclidean space.
Your method appears to work for converting between the Euclidean space Earth is in to some non-Euclidean space where Earth is flat (although I think it would technically need to be inversion in an oblate spheroid or something like that).
The issue is that all the "straight" paths are not actually straight in this space. Light doesn't follow the curvature of this space and instead has to bend.
If you need to appeal to a transformation to Euclidean space such that Earth is a sphere to explain the way light works, that is basically admitting that your model is merely a mathematical transformation and not an accurate description of reality.

It is effectively the same as saying "Well we have Mercator projections of Earth so Earth is flat as these projections are."

Zetetic proof

Whenever you see someone use the word "zetetic" to describe a proof of something, every red known to man should go up to warn you that you are dealing with someone who has never been to college and they are merely regurgitating a word that sounds like reflects some level of informed intelligence.

"Zetetic Proof"... Hahahahahahahahaha

Let us please remember that the timeline of FE is much longer than that of RET.  This makes terminology to include everyone interested in RE be properly referred to as round Earth "believers".

Would RE believers even dare propose this causeway anomaly as a purported problem (understood by others and explained by FEers) to Jesus of Nazareth, Christopher Columbus, or Albert Einstein?

Case closed.     

You keep thinking you are makig sense. And yes, if you asked any of thise people you listed up there, they'll agrre with me. All of them would have told you the earth was round and be amazed at the stupidity of you thinking it was flat.

Quote from: Mikey T. on August 16, 2017, 07:11:47 PM

Quote from: gotham on August 16, 2017, 06:14:56 PM

I am now interested to see if Papa Legba has more to say about the situation and what reactions by REers are made in response.

So you just want someone, who just slings insults, to come in and make a fool of himself.  Yeah, that's an adequate response to questions.  Really proving that FEers know how properly defend a position in a debate.

PROTIP:  When you resort to insults to cover the fact you have no answer, you lose the argument.  When you require someone else do the insulting for you, you not only lose the argument, you show just how much courage and conviction you actually hold in your own viewpoints.

FE is victorious in this debate.  Proven by many who responded to the claims of the victors.

Typical flat earth reasoning. We win because we can ignore you more. Na na na na na na can't hear you I won na na na na.

If your really believe in a flat earth, then you truly are a dumbass.

If you don't, you're a much better troll than Jroa

You keep thinking you are makig sense. And yes, if you asked any of thise people you listed up there, they'll agrre with me. All of them would have told you the earth was round and be amazed at the stupidity of you thinking it was flat.

Really? The "evidence" seems to indicate Jesus thought he could be shown all of Earth from a tall mountain, something only possible on a FE.

Quote from: SpaceCadet on November 01, 2017, 08:22:21 AM

You keep thinking you are makig sense. And yes, if you asked any of thise people you listed up there, they'll agrre with me. All of them would have told you the earth was round and be amazed at the stupidity of you thinking it was flat.

Really? The "evidence" seems to indicate Jesus thought he could be shown all of Earth from a tall mountain, something only possible on a FE.

So for earthers, like İntikam, but both limited (human) vision and terrain would make that impossible.
For me at least, either it just referred to the "known kingdoms" or it was just figurative language.

Quote from: gotham on August 10, 2017, 01:40:34 PM

Zetetic proof

Whenever you see someone use the word "zetetic" to describe a proof of something, every red known to man should go up to warn you that you are dealing with someone who has never been to college and they are merely regurgitating a word that sounds like reflects some level of informed intelligence.

"Zetetic Proof"... Hahahahahahahahaha

"Zetetic" implies learning from personal observation, dismissing knowledge from outside sources. (at least that is my take, based on the use of the word around here).

This leads me to...

I wonder if they would use a "zetetic" neurosurgeon?

Quote from: Really on October 31, 2017, 08:45:37 PM

Quote from: gotham on August 10, 2017, 01:40:34 PM

Zetetic proof

Whenever you see someone use the word "zetetic" to describe a proof of something, every red known to man should go up to warn you that you are dealing with someone who has never been to college and they are merely regurgitating a word that sounds like reflects some level of informed intelligence.

"Zetetic Proof"... Hahahahahahahahaha

"Zetetic" implies learning from personal observation, dismissing knowledge from outside sources. (at least that is my take, based on the use of the word around here).

This leads me to...

I wonder if they would use a "zetetic" neurosurgeon?

"I am Dr Ramsbottom. Dr of Zetetic Neurosurgery. I will be performing your brain surgery today"

........aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhh

"Does that hurt? Or have you been brainwashed into thinking it hurts by the government who by the way have been lying to you?"

Quote from: Really on October 31, 2017, 08:45:37 PM

Quote from: gotham on August 10, 2017, 01:40:34 PM

Zetetic proof

Whenever you see someone use the word "zetetic" to describe a proof of something, every red known to man should go up to warn you that you are dealing with someone who has never been to college and they are merely regurgitating a word that sounds like reflects some level of informed intelligence.

"Zetetic Proof"... Hahahahahahahahaha

"Zetetic" implies learning from personal observation, dismissing knowledge from outside sources. (at least that is my take, based on the use of the word around here).

This leads me to...

I wonder if they would use a "zetetic" neurosurgeon?

I know   Dr. Wee Todd Did

These people are ate slam up.

Literally all REers are products of the same instructor. True because you all confess knowledge from the same source. Your problem is that source (science) is not proven factual.  Zetetic sources have been proven factual tracing back to actual observation.  Advantage: FET.

Oh, Dr Rowbotham made a habit of sinking your round Earth beliefs at many a live and advertised challenge.   

Literally all REers are products of the same instructor. True because you all confess knowledge from the same source. Your problem is that source (science) is not proven factual.  Zetetic sources have been proven factual tracing back to actual observation.  Advantage: FET.

Oh, Dr Rowbotham made a habit of sinking your round Earth beliefs at many a live and advertised challenge.

No. That source that all RET comes from is called reality.
Science is based upon observation of reality, making predictions, and then testing them.

So far RET has passed the tests with flying colours, while FET often fails at the first hurdle.

Row Boat failed those challenges.
For example, noting the dip angle to the horizon, and then removing the telescopic lens and claiming he could no longer see it.

Literally all REers are products of the same instructor. True because you all confess knowledge from the same source. Your problem is that source (science) is not proven factual.  Zetetic sources have been proven factual tracing back to actual observation.  Advantage: FET.

Oh, Dr Rowbotham made a habit of sinking your round Earth beliefs at many a live and advertised challenge.

Why do flat earthers insist on following Rowbotham? He was a snake oil peddling con man for heavens sake.

Do you guys not ever think to yourselves 'shit, I'm quoting a child molester who claimed to heal all diseases'?

Quote from: gotham on November 11, 2017, 05:47:58 PM

Literally all REers are products of the same instructor. True because you all confess knowledge from the same source. Your problem is that source (science) is not proven factual.  Zetetic sources have been proven factual tracing back to actual observation.  Advantage: FET.

Oh, Dr Rowbotham made a habit of sinking your round Earth beliefs at many a live and advertised challenge.

Why do flat earthers insist on following Rowbotham? He was a snake oil peddling con man for heavens sake.

Do you guys not ever think to yourselves 'shit, I'm quoting a child molester who claimed to heal all diseases'?

But he wrote a book. 

Why do flat earthers insist on following Rowbotham? He was a snake oil peddling con man for heavens sake.

It's just a part of the in-joke.

There are FEers that hold more strictly to the Rowbotham model and I may add they are extremely knowledgeable about Earth shape.  I have yet to see an REer debate this SBR model to point of victory when competing with a true Rowbothaminian.

In fact, round Earth believers have but a sad and lonely model that has been decimated over the years and decades by past and current FEers.   

Literally all REers are products of the same instructor. True because you all confess knowledge from the same source.

Agreed. And that instructor is reality, not blindly following a book written over 160 years ago.

That book has to explain away beautiful sunsets using impossible perspective,  there's nothing Zetetic in that, just guesswork.
The model pushed by Rowbotham simply has no explanation for the directions of sunrises and sunsets I see with my own eyes.

I'd rather believe my own eyes and own observations before someone totally ignorant in astronomy, surveying and perspective.
Read Zetetic Astronomy, MOTION OF STARS NORTH AND SOUTH. and see what you think of Rowbotham's astronomical expertise.

Sure, the believed shape of the earth has not changed for some 2500 years, but more and more confirming evidence is added all the time.

There are FEers that hold more strictly to the Rowbotham model and I may add they are extremely knowledgeable about Earth shape.

If they are knowledgeable about the shape of Earth, they would know it is round.

I have yet to see an REer debate this SBR model to point of victory when competing with a true Rowbothaminian.

Is that because there are no true Rowbothaminian, or is it because they shit all over the board and fly away before letting the REers win.

I am yet to see a FEer debate towards a FE to victor because their arguments are destroyed.

In fact, round Earth believers have but a sad and lonely model that has been decimated over the years and decades by past and current FEers.

No, it hasn't.
The FEers have tried to pile on shit on it, but their arguments get destroyed.
RET remains strong and yet to be refuted.

And no, our model isn't sad, it is alone, standing out from all other models because it actually matches reality.

There are FEers that hold more strictly to the Rowbotham model and I may add they are extremely knowledgeable about Earth shape.  I have yet to see an REer debate this SBR model to point of victory when competing with a true Rowbothaminian.

In fact, round Earth believers have but a sad and lonely model that has been decimated over the years and decades by past and current FEers.

Please make this endless stream of nonsense stop.

Who exactly do you think you are convincing with this shit? It's utterly meaningless!

Do you realize how little you comprehend the world around you, or do you know so little that you think you understand it all?

I am starting to suspect you are projecting a fake persona, like an online, FE Borrat. It's the only explanation for such blatant nonsense.

Quote from: gotham on November 14, 2017, 05:56:11 PM

There are FEers that hold more strictly to the Rowbotham model and I may add they are extremely knowledgeable about Earth shape.  I have yet to see an REer debate this SBR model to point of victory when competing with a true Rowbothaminian.

In fact, round Earth believers have but a sad and lonely model that has been decimated over the years and decades by past and current FEers.

Please make this endless stream of nonsense stop.

Who exactly do you think you are convincing with this shit? It's utterly meaningless!

Do you realize how little you comprehend the world around you, or do you know so little that you think you understand it all?

I am starting to suspect you are projecting a fake persona, like an online, FE Borrat. It's the only explanation for such blatant nonsense.

The FE population is quoted as being in the millions. Others expect this to be true and is much more than many of your round Earth believer's expectations.  Why you doubt this it is not the concern of reality. 

Please do more research before attempting to shoot the messenger(s).   

The FE population is quoted as being in the millions. Others expect this to be true and is much more than many of your round Earth believer's expectations.  Why you doubt this it is not the concern of reality. 

Please do more research before attempting to shoot the messenger(s).   

So circa 0.1% of people?

Quote from: Edge_Loop on November 15, 2017, 12:19:12 AM

Quote from: gotham on November 14, 2017, 05:56:11 PM

There are FEers that hold more strictly to the Rowbotham model and I may add they are extremely knowledgeable about Earth shape.  I have yet to see an REer debate this SBR model to point of victory when competing with a true Rowbothaminian.

In fact, round Earth believers have but a sad and lonely model that has been decimated over the years and decades by past and current FEers.

Please make this endless stream of nonsense stop.

Who exactly do you think you are convincing with this shit? It's utterly meaningless!

Do you realize how little you comprehend the world around you, or do you know so little that you think you understand it all?

I am starting to suspect you are projecting a fake persona, like an online, FE Borrat. It's the only explanation for such blatant nonsense.

The FE population is quoted as being in the millions.

The paranoid schizophrenic population is also in the millions.  Coincidence?

There are an estimated 2 million Pastafarians praying to The Flying Spaghetti Monster....

Coincidence?

Quote from: JackBlack on August 10, 2017, 03:00:28 PM

Quote from: gotham on August 10, 2017, 01:40:34 PM

I have crossed that causeway for reasons of Earth shape verification.  Perspective and atmospherics proved a flat Earth by even better scientific proof than I expected.  Flat Earth confirmation came in the form of Zetetic proof, as well.

Care to elaborate at all?

Certainly so but I must ask...given truthful evidence, do you have the capacity to comprehend that the Earth could be flat?  I don't want to waste your time or mine trying to convince the inconvincible.

I would just like to give the RE causeway claim a proper burial before moving on to kicking out the underpinnings of other RE delusions of grandeur.

The OP and other supporting participants have not presented evidence worthy of proof necessary to the rights of victory.

Why round Earth believers attempt continuing to backdoor wild claims into reality is a fine mystery?
 

The OP and other supporting participants have not presented evidence worthy of proof necessary to the rights of victory.

You ignoring the proof doesn't mean it hasn't been provided.

Why round Earth believers attempt continuing to backdoor wild claims into reality is a fine mystery?

Sure, a non-existent mystery.

Quote from: gotham on August 10, 2017, 03:26:52 PM

Quote from: JackBlack on August 10, 2017, 03:00:28 PM

Quote from: gotham on August 10, 2017, 01:40:34 PM

I have crossed that causeway for reasons of Earth shape verification.  Perspective and atmospherics proved a flat Earth by even better scientific proof than I expected.  Flat Earth confirmation came in the form of Zetetic proof, as well.

Care to elaborate at all?

Certainly so but I must ask...given truthful evidence, do you have the capacity to comprehend that the Earth could be flat?  I don't want to waste your time or mine trying to convince the inconvincible.

I would just like to give the RE causeway claim a proper burial before moving on to kicking out the underpinnings of other RE delusions of grandeur.

The OP and other supporting participants have not presented evidence worthy of proof necessary to the rights of victory.

Why round Earth believers attempt continuing to backdoor wild claims into reality is a fine mystery?
 

The accepted facts are in support of RE.  You are supposed to be providing supporting evidence as to your counterclaim of a FE.  So far, nothing any of you have offered has been evidence supporting FE only (i.e. only works on a FE model and cannot work on a RE model). 
So now you wish to bypass the peer review portion of discussing an alternative model like the FE.  Yeah, that's very convincing. 
Come back to me when you guys can agree on a single FE model and you can act like an adult and contribute to a discussion rather than randomly saying "Victory for FE" like some 5 year old or "NUHH UHHH" to anything that disagrees with your viewpoint.  I get it, you need to make yourself feel special.

Why not laser measure the bridge? You set a laser about 25 meters above the bridge level to the bridge's surface on line end and set a target at the same height on the other side. The laser will tell you how much the bridge curves over it's length if at all.

Why not laser measure the bridge? You set a laser about 25 meters above the bridge level to the bridge's surface on line end and set a target at the same height on the other side. The laser will tell you how much the bridge curves over it's length if at all.

Why not get a professional Geodetic Surveyor to do the job properly? But, like any professional, his presentation is very detailed and tedious.
This much longer video also has a section, "LAKE PONTCHARTRAIN EXAMPLE" at 16:12:I did warn you about the length.

Why not laser measure the bridge? You set a laser about 25 meters above the bridge level to the bridge's surface on line end and set a target at the same height on the other side. The laser will tell you how much the bridge curves over it's length if at all.

The same could be done on any large lake. One person on each shore and a third in a boat. Measure the distance from the water to the laser at each shore, adjust to make the equal and then measure the distance in the middle from a boat.