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6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« on: January 29, 2016, 05:06:12 PM »
How does the FES explain the fact that the poles experience 6 months of day and 6 months of night? From models of the day and night system I've seen it doesn't account for those 6 months
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2016, 12:13:33 PM »
By denying it.
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2016, 01:35:17 PM »
Set the centre of the Sun's rotation at a point just off the north pole and they can explain it at one of the poles, by having the Sun move in and out. At both poles however, no such luck. Denial's their best recourse.
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2016, 01:42:05 PM »
Quote from: Jane on January 31, 2016, 01:35:17 PM
Set the centre of the Sun's rotation at a point just off the north pole and they can explain it at one of the poles, by having the Sun move in and out. At both poles however, no such luck. Denial's their best recourse.

I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2016, 02:11:08 AM »
Quote from: Yendor on January 31, 2016, 01:42:05 PM
Quote from: Jane on January 31, 2016, 01:35:17 PM
Set the centre of the Sun's rotation at a point just off the north pole and they can explain it at one of the poles, by having the Sun move in and out. At both poles however, no such luck. Denial's their best recourse.

I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?
I haven't personally seen New York, so how am I to believe it is there?
Yes, I have seen reports from people that have been there, so I am prepared to accept it is there.
I have seen numerous reports from people who have seen the "midnight sun"  at the South Pole, so I am quite prepared to accept it as real.
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2016, 08:49:28 AM »
Quote from: Yendor on January 31, 2016, 01:42:05 PM
Quote from: Jane on January 31, 2016, 01:35:17 PM
Set the centre of the Sun's rotation at a point just off the north pole and they can explain it at one of the poles, by having the Sun move in and out. At both poles however, no such luck. Denial's their best recourse.

I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?

Yes, and yes.
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2016, 08:57:42 AM »
Quote from: Alpha2Omega on February 01, 2016, 08:49:28 AM
Quote from: Yendor on January 31, 2016, 01:42:05 PM
Quote from: Jane on January 31, 2016, 01:35:17 PM
Set the centre of the Sun's rotation at a point just off the north pole and they can explain it at one of the poles, by having the Sun move in and out. At both poles however, no such luck. Denial's their best recourse.

I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?

Yes, and yes.

You live close enough to see it?
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2016, 09:40:32 AM »
Quote from: Yendor on January 31, 2016, 01:42:05 PM
I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?

Here is a video of the Antarctic midnight sun:

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So, yeah.  People have seen it.
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2016, 11:23:04 AM »
Quote from: Yendor on February 01, 2016, 08:57:42 AM
Quote from: Alpha2Omega on February 01, 2016, 08:49:28 AM
Quote from: Yendor on January 31, 2016, 01:42:05 PM
Quote from: Jane on January 31, 2016, 01:35:17 PM
Set the centre of the Sun's rotation at a point just off the north pole and they can explain it at one of the poles, by having the Sun move in and out. At both poles however, no such luck. Denial's their best recourse.

I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?

Yes, and yes.

You live close enough to see it?

I live in the Northern Hemisphere but worked in Antarctica for three months when I was in grad school, years ago. The sun went below the horizon for a brief time each day for the first few days I was at McMurdo Station (77°51′S); after that, the Sun was above the horizon for the rest of my stay.
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2016, 01:44:09 PM »
Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 01, 2016, 09:40:32 AM
Quote from: Yendor on January 31, 2016, 01:42:05 PM
I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?

Here is a video of the Antarctic midnight sun:

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So, yeah.  People have seen it.

I've seen those videos, I just don't know if I trust them.
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2016, 01:48:04 PM »
Quote from: Alpha2Omega on February 01, 2016, 11:23:04 AM
Quote from: Yendor on February 01, 2016, 08:57:42 AM
Quote from: Alpha2Omega on February 01, 2016, 08:49:28 AM
Quote from: Yendor on January 31, 2016, 01:42:05 PM
Quote from: Jane on January 31, 2016, 01:35:17 PM
Set the centre of the Sun's rotation at a point just off the north pole and they can explain it at one of the poles, by having the Sun move in and out. At both poles however, no such luck. Denial's their best recourse.

I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?

Yes, and yes.

You live close enough to see it?

I live in the Northern Hemisphere but worked in Antarctica for three months when I was in grad school, years ago. The sun went below the horizon for a brief time each day for the first few days I was at McMurdo Station (77°51′S); after that, the Sun was above the horizon for the rest of my stay.

I believe I remember seeing a picture of you outside with your telescope. I think you live in Texas or somewhere out west from me.
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2016, 02:01:45 PM »
Quote from: Yendor on February 01, 2016, 01:48:04 PM
Quote from: Alpha2Omega on February 01, 2016, 11:23:04 AM
Quote from: Yendor on February 01, 2016, 08:57:42 AM
Quote from: Alpha2Omega on February 01, 2016, 08:49:28 AM
Quote from: Yendor on January 31, 2016, 01:42:05 PM
Quote from: Jane on January 31, 2016, 01:35:17 PM
Set the centre of the Sun's rotation at a point just off the north pole and they can explain it at one of the poles, by having the Sun move in and out. At both poles however, no such luck. Denial's their best recourse.

I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?

Yes, and yes.

You live close enough to see it?

I live in the Northern Hemisphere but worked in Antarctica for three months when I was in grad school, years ago. The sun went below the horizon for a brief time each day for the first few days I was at McMurdo Station (77°51′S); after that, the Sun was above the horizon for the rest of my stay.

I believe I remember seeing a picture of you outside with your telescope. I think you live in Texas or somewhere out west from me.

I don't think that was me. I do have a telescope, and do live in that general part of the US, but I've never posted a picture of myself here, nor have I seen one posted by someone else.
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2016, 02:14:58 PM »
Quote from: Alpha2Omega on February 01, 2016, 02:01:45 PM
Quote from: Yendor on February 01, 2016, 01:48:04 PM
Quote from: Alpha2Omega on February 01, 2016, 11:23:04 AM
Quote from: Yendor on February 01, 2016, 08:57:42 AM
Quote from: Alpha2Omega on February 01, 2016, 08:49:28 AM
Quote from: Yendor on January 31, 2016, 01:42:05 PM
Quote from: Jane on January 31, 2016, 01:35:17 PM
Set the centre of the Sun's rotation at a point just off the north pole and they can explain it at one of the poles, by having the Sun move in and out. At both poles however, no such luck. Denial's their best recourse.

I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?

Yes, and yes.

You live close enough to see it?

I live in the Northern Hemisphere but worked in Antarctica for three months when I was in grad school, years ago. The sun went below the horizon for a brief time each day for the first few days I was at McMurdo Station (77°51′S); after that, the Sun was above the horizon for the rest of my stay.

I believe I remember seeing a picture of you outside with your telescope. I think you live in Texas or somewhere out west from me.

I don't think that was me. I do have a telescope, and do live in that general part of the US, but I've never posted a picture of myself here, nor have I seen one posted by someone else.

Maybe it was the other site.
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2016, 03:34:42 PM »
Quote from: Yendor on February 01, 2016, 02:14:58 PM
Maybe it was the other site.
I'm not even registered there. One FES is plenty, and I found this one first.
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2016, 11:30:39 AM »
Quote from: Yendor on February 01, 2016, 01:44:09 PM
I've seen those videos, I just don't know if I trust them.

Antarctica is also a polular tourist destination and it has 1,000+ science outposts.  Not all of the outposts are active in the winter but during the summer when the midnight sun happens is when all the outposts are active and the most tourists are there.  If you are willing to spend some money and take a vacation you could observe the Antarctic midnight sun yourself.
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2016, 07:41:29 PM »
Does every flat earth argument consist of "I haven't seen it so I don't believe it's true"?
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2016, 11:19:08 PM »
Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 02, 2016, 11:30:39 AM
1,000+ science outposts

Is that what the drunken antarctic scientists are calling them now?
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2016, 09:36:59 AM »
Quote from: jroa on February 02, 2016, 11:19:08 PM
Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 02, 2016, 11:30:39 AM
1,000+ science outposts

Is that what the drunken antarctic scientists are calling them now?

Alcohol consumption is larger then normal in Antarctic bases then elsewhere, but that doesn't mean that allantarctic scientists are constantly drunk.  Even so, alcohol doesn't make people fake midnight Sun footage and think that it's a real video.  There are still countless sober scientists and countless tourists.  Your argument is pretty bad.
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2016, 11:53:01 AM »
Quote from: jroa on February 02, 2016, 11:19:08 PM
Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 02, 2016, 11:30:39 AM
1,000+ science outposts

Is that what the drunken antarctic scientists are calling them now?

Your comments on any Antarctic issue are worthless until you grow a pair and provide the promised quotes from explorers who claimed to see an ice wall beyond the South Pole.
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2016, 05:17:32 PM »
Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 03, 2016, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: jroa on February 02, 2016, 11:19:08 PM
Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 02, 2016, 11:30:39 AM
1,000+ science outposts

Is that what the drunken antarctic scientists are calling them now?

Alcohol consumption is larger then normal in Antarctic bases then elsewhere, but that doesn't mean that allantarctic scientists are constantly drunk.  Even so, alcohol doesn't make people fake midnight Sun footage and think that it's a real video.  There are still countless sober scientists and countless tourists.  Your argument is pretty bad.

Just a reminder: no other industry has ever had a need for mandatory breathalyzer tests for its employees. 
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2016, 06:14:37 PM »
Quote from: jroa on February 03, 2016, 05:17:32 PM
Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 03, 2016, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: jroa on February 02, 2016, 11:19:08 PM
Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 02, 2016, 11:30:39 AM
1,000+ science outposts

Is that what the drunken antarctic scientists are calling them now?

Alcohol consumption is larger then normal in Antarctic bases then elsewhere, but that doesn't mean that allantarctic scientists are constantly drunk.  Even so, alcohol doesn't make people fake midnight Sun footage and think that it's a real video.  There are still countless sober scientists and countless tourists.  Your argument is pretty bad.

Just a reminder: no other industry has ever had a need for mandatory breathalyzer tests for its employees. [citation needed]
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2016, 02:53:46 AM »
Quote from: Yendor on February 01, 2016, 01:44:09 PM
Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 01, 2016, 09:40:32 AM
Quote from: Yendor on January 31, 2016, 01:42:05 PM
I've seen the midnight sun inside the arctic circle, but not in the south because I've never journeyed that far south. Have you personally seen it in the south or anyone else for that matter?

Here is a video of the Antarctic midnight sun:

" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

So, yeah.  People have seen it.

I've seen those videos, I just don't know if I trust them.
I am really curious!
Have you, or anyone else, seen these "Celestial Gears" that Tom Bishop says causes all sorts of wonderful things, like:
Coriolis, Star Trails, observed variations in gravity and all sorts of things?
Have you seen the "Ice Wall" that is supposed to lock everybody out of Antarctica? No, neither photos nor videos are adequate! They might be fake!

Flat earthers come up with so many absolute guesses to explain weaknesses in the theory with no evidence to back them up!
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2016, 03:09:48 AM »
I don't think that anyone has claimed that an "Ice Wall" locks everybody out of Antarctica.  I wish you people would stop making things up. 
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2016, 05:38:20 AM »
Nobody here has claimed it but I have seen that claim on GLP.
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2016, 06:02:18 AM »
What is GLP? 
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2016, 06:10:46 AM »
godlikeproductions.com
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« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2016, 06:16:21 AM »
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Aren't they a bunch of conspiracy nuts?  This is a serious scientific forum.  :D
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2016, 09:04:47 AM »
Quote from: frenat on February 04, 2016, 06:10:46 AM
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hmmm,

GLP,
Home of the shills,
and the generous giver of spyware and viruses.

Anyone tempted in following frenat to his hangout should first search -

godlikeproductions spyware Tavistock institute.



you can't say you were not warned.
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2016, 09:09:50 AM »
Quote from: feuk on February 04, 2016, 09:04:47 AM
Quote from: frenat on February 04, 2016, 06:10:46 AM
godlikeproductions.com

hmmm,

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Anyone tempted in following frenat to his hangout should first search -

godlikeproductions spyware Tavistock institute.



you can't say you were not warned.
did I suggest anyone go there?

I've also never seen anyone get spyware and viruses just from visiting the site but then I don't have my computer setup to accept everything it runs into.  Maybe you do?  You may run into crap in links other people post but that can happen on any forum.

I also searched what you said and what I found was stuff just as crazy as is posted on GLP as well as some stuff here.  so what does that say?

What I have seen about GLP is unless you are a paying member (which I wouldn't recommend as it is a scam, the site is good for entertainment purposes only IMHO) then you WILL get banned at some point.  Banning is IP based and while they have a link to request an unban they don't pay attention to requests.  the only ways to get unbanned are wait (eventually they clear all the bans and start over) or become a paying member.  Banning appears to be used to generate revenue.  They also use a craptastic hand-written forum software that is buggy.  Posting links to youtube will often show the wrong video (display some other video previously linked in the thread) even though the link will be correct.  Nested quotes break when they get long enough that they'll point to the wrong people.
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Re: 6 months of day and 6 months of night at the poles
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2016, 09:18:57 AM »
Quote from: jroa on February 03, 2016, 05:17:32 PM
Just a reminder: no other industry has ever had a need for mandatory breathalyzer tests for its employees.

That's because mandatory tests without probable cause like that violate the 4th ammemdment and thus are illegal in the a United States.  Antarctica is not claimed by any nation and is under only international law, so the 4th ammemdment is not in effect.  Many industries have the need for such tests because intoxicated workers can cause problems when operating machinery and stuff.

I still don't get what you are implying.  Being drunk doesn't make you slip near a computer and accidentally fake midnight Sun footage.  Worldwide, beer is the third most popular beverage behind water and tea.  There are a lot of drunk people in the world, and last I checked symptoms of alcoholism didn't include faking videos and thinking that they are real.
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