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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2016, 08:17:24 PM »
Sorry, but you said 'fallacy'.  Please show me where and what the fallacy is.
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2016, 08:22:11 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on January 24, 2016, 08:17:24 PM
Sorry, but you said 'fallacy'.  Please show me where and what the fallacy is.

Are we including Ad Hominems?  This becomes a very simple exercise if that is the case.
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2016, 08:29:49 PM »
Nope, sorry.  That was not the claim.
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2016, 08:32:17 PM »
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Nope, sorry.  That was not the claim.

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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2016, 08:39:09 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on January 24, 2016, 08:17:24 PM
Sorry, but you said 'fallacy'.  Please show me where and what the fallacy is.
The quotes are in my previous post. They are from this thread. Also pretty much most times you mention a kid you are using a fallacy.
The fallacy is probably argument by analogy or Syllogistic. There are many fallacies.
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2016, 10:24:05 PM »
Quote from: sokarul on January 24, 2016, 08:39:09 PM
The fallacy is probably argument by analogy or Syllogistic. There are many fallacies.
Probably?!?  You mean you don't know?!?  Lol.  Please quote where I employ this probable fallacy.
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2016, 10:49:28 PM »
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Haven't you learnt yet that TheEngineer never says anything, but he says it absolutely precisely?
Backhanded compliment if I've ever heard one.  That's just mean.
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #37 on: January 25, 2016, 05:06:01 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on January 24, 2016, 10:24:05 PM
Quote from: sokarul on January 24, 2016, 08:39:09 PM
The fallacy is probably argument by analogy or Syllogistic. There are many fallacies.
Probably?!?  You mean you don't know?!?  Lol.  Please quote where I employ this probable fallacy.

Perhaps read the part of my quite that you omitted. It would tell you the quotes were in my previous post.
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2016, 07:02:11 AM »
So no quotes again, huh?  Why would that be?
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2016, 08:52:18 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on January 24, 2016, 08:17:24 PM
Sorry, but you said 'fallacy'.  Please show me where and what the fallacy is.
Your first post was a fallacy:

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My son has a Millennium Falcon.  Am I supposed to believe this thing is the actual one that flies in space? 
Straw Man.

Everything else was downhill from there.
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2016, 09:15:28 AM »
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Sorry, but you said 'fallacy'.  Please show me where and what the fallacy is.
Your first post was a fallacy:

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My son has a Millennium Falcon.  Am I supposed to believe this thing is the actual one that flies in space? 
Straw Man.
Incorrect.  My post was not a straw man argument.  Good try though.
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2016, 10:26:30 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on January 25, 2016, 07:02:11 AM
So no quotes again, huh?  Why would that be?

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Quote from: TheEngineer on January 24, 2016, 07:32:10 PM
What's really funny is how your quest to find just one little mistake from me causes you to say some of the most idiotic stuff.  So, now that you have claimed a few times that I have used a fallacy, please provide the quote where I did so.  I'll wait.
It's not a quest. All I have to do is read your posts and I can see they are wrong.

"My son has a Millennium Falcon.  Am I supposed to believe this thing is the actual one that flies in space?  And was part of a very mediocre movie?

'Cause that is exactly what you are saying in your post."

"So you are saying you believe an incorrect post is the same thing as a worthless post?  You have said that at least twice now.  So to you, incorrect = worthless.  Got it."

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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2016, 11:06:21 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on January 25, 2016, 09:15:28 AM
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Quote from: TheEngineer on January 24, 2016, 08:17:24 PM
Sorry, but you said 'fallacy'.  Please show me where and what the fallacy is.
Your first post was a fallacy:

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My son has a Millennium Falcon.  Am I supposed to believe this thing is the actual one that flies in space? 
Straw Man.
Incorrect.  My post was not a straw man argument.
It was a text book example of one.  Nobody was arguing that your son's toy is capable of space flight, yet you choose to refute that particular point.  That's what a straw man is.


By the way, I don't want to shatter your dreams or anything, but when it comes to the Millennium Falcon, there is no "actual one that flies in space".  They are all models.  Sorry.  :-\
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2016, 11:46:10 AM »
Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on January 25, 2016, 11:06:21 AM
It was a text book example of one.  Nobody was arguing that your son's toy is capable of space flight, yet you choose to refute that particular point.  That's what a straw man is.
I guess you also can't read?  My post was a direct refutation of the OP. 

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By the way, I don't want to shatter your dreams or anything, but when it comes to the Millennium Falcon, there is no "actual one that flies in space".  They are all models.  Sorry.  :-\
What?!?  Say it ain't true!   ::)
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2016, 11:47:47 AM »
Quote from: sokarul on January 25, 2016, 10:26:30 AM
Quote from: TheEngineer on January 25, 2016, 07:02:11 AM
So no quotes again, huh?  Why would that be?

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What's really funny is how your quest to find just one little mistake from me causes you to say some of the most idiotic stuff.  So, now that you have claimed a few times that I have used a fallacy, please provide the quote where I did so.  I'll wait.
It's not a quest. All I have to do is read your posts and I can see they are wrong.

"My son has a Millennium Falcon.  Am I supposed to believe this thing is the actual one that flies in space?  And was part of a very mediocre movie?

'Cause that is exactly what you are saying in your post."

"So you are saying you believe an incorrect post is the same thing as a worthless post?  You have said that at least twice now.  So to you, incorrect = worthless.  Got it."

Sigh.  Where I used the fallacy, Discount Chemist.
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2016, 12:04:25 PM »
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Quote from: TheEngineer on January 25, 2016, 07:02:11 AM
So no quotes again, huh?  Why would that be?

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Quote from: TheEngineer on January 24, 2016, 07:32:10 PM
What's really funny is how your quest to find just one little mistake from me causes you to say some of the most idiotic stuff.  So, now that you have claimed a few times that I have used a fallacy, please provide the quote where I did so.  I'll wait.
It's not a quest. All I have to do is read your posts and I can see they are wrong.

"My son has a Millennium Falcon.  Am I supposed to believe this thing is the actual one that flies in space?  And was part of a very mediocre movie?

'Cause that is exactly what you are saying in your post."

"So you are saying you believe an incorrect post is the same thing as a worthless post?  You have said that at least twice now.  So to you, incorrect = worthless.  Got it."

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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2016, 12:24:37 PM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on January 23, 2016, 12:00:28 PM
Hey look!  Proof the Space Shuttle was made of wood:

Umm, the Plane that the shuttle's on top of seems like it might be made of wood. The shuttle itself is the small thing on top.
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2016, 05:37:25 PM »
Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on January 25, 2016, 11:06:21 AM
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Sorry, but you said 'fallacy'.  Please show me where and what the fallacy is.
Your first post was a fallacy:

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My son has a Millennium Falcon.  Am I supposed to believe this thing is the actual one that flies in space? 
Straw Man.
Incorrect.  My post was not a straw man argument.
It was a text book example of one.  Nobody was arguing that your son's toy is capable of space flight, yet you choose to refute that particular point.  That's what a straw man is.


By the way, I don't want to shatter your dreams or anything, but when it comes to the Millennium Falcon, there is no "actual one that flies in space".  They are all models.  Sorry.  :-\

Sarcasm is not a strawman fallacy.  It would only be a strawman if the statement was meant to be taken seriously.  Or, did you think his son's toy was a real spaceship? 
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2016, 06:35:31 PM »
Quote from: JustThatOneGuy on January 25, 2016, 12:24:37 PM
Umm, the Plane that the shuttle's on top of seems like it might be made of wood. The shuttle itself is the small thing on top.
Uh...duh?  I know what the Space Shuttle looks like, thank you.
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2016, 06:44:42 PM »
Quote from: sokarul on January 25, 2016, 12:04:25 PM
Quote from: sokarul on January 25, 2016, 10:26:30 AM
Quote from: TheEngineer on January 25, 2016, 07:02:11 AM
So no quotes again, huh?  Why would that be?

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Quote from: TheEngineer on January 24, 2016, 07:32:10 PM
What's really funny is how your quest to find just one little mistake from me causes you to say some of the most idiotic stuff.  So, now that you have claimed a few times that I have used a fallacy, please provide the quote where I did so.  I'll wait.
It's not a quest. All I have to do is read your posts and I can see they are wrong.

"My son has a Millennium Falcon.  Am I supposed to believe this thing is the actual one that flies in space?  And was part of a very mediocre movie?

'Cause that is exactly what you are saying in your post."

"So you are saying you believe an incorrect post is the same thing as a worthless post?  You have said that at least twice now.  So to you, incorrect = worthless.  Got it."

Yep, still don't see it.  'Argument by analogy' is not a fallacy, just so you know.  Most arguments rely on analogy.  So, you are wrong again, Discount Chemist.
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2016, 05:41:28 AM »
False analogy or weak analogy are arguments of analogy that are poorly suited.
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #51 on: January 26, 2016, 07:05:15 AM »
Too bad for you, that's not what you said.  You said the fallacy was 'argument by analogy'.  Which is not a fallacy at all.

In case you forgot:
Quote from: sokarul on January 24, 2016, 08:39:09 PM
The fallacy is probably argument by analogy or Syllogistic.

Remember when I said you were so easy to trap?  Here is another example.  I can't believe you have not learned your lesson by now.  I don't ask a question unless I already know the answer to it.  So I asked you to point out where I made the fallacy (knowing I made no fallacy) thus setting the trap (baiting).  You, wanting to get that 'gotcha', quickly took the bait and climbed right into the crab pot.  And then the trap was sprung, making you look like an idiot, yet again, Discount (Crab) Chemist.

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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #52 on: January 26, 2016, 07:49:32 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on January 26, 2016, 07:05:15 AM
Too bad for you, that's not what you said.  You said the fallacy was 'argument by analogy'.  Which is not a fallacy at all.

In case you forgot:
Quote from: sokarul on January 24, 2016, 08:39:09 PM
The fallacy is probably argument by analogy or Syllogistic.

Although sokarul's title of the fallacy may be incorrect, the substance isn't. A false analogy is indeed an informal fallacy. I am not saying the fallacy was committed either way, but on its face there is a problem with argumentation.

 
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I don't ask a question unless I already know the answer to it. 

That is truly sad.
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #53 on: January 26, 2016, 08:20:40 AM »
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A false analogy is indeed an informal fallacy.
I don't recall saying otherwise.

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I don't ask a question unless I already know the answer to it. 
That is truly sad.
Why is that?  Except for the fact that it would make me a really good lawyer.
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #54 on: January 26, 2016, 08:46:31 AM »
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Quote from: Rama Set on January 26, 2016, 07:49:32 AM
A false analogy is indeed an informal fallacy.
I don't recall saying otherwise.

No but you do willfully refuse obvious inferences just to try and make someone wrong, even if there is truth in what they say.  In that respect, yes, you would be a good lawyer.

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I don't ask a question unless I already know the answer to it. 
That is truly sad.
Why is that?  Except for the fact that it would make me a really good lawyer.
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It means that you are no longer interested in learning something new. 
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #55 on: January 26, 2016, 09:04:31 AM »
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It means that you are no longer interested in learning something new.
That can in no way be inferred from the statement "I don't ask a question unless I already know the answer to it".

What the statement means, is that I research and learn before I say something.  Which, by the way, if practiced by RE'ers, would serve to keep most of you from looking so foolish all the time.
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #56 on: January 26, 2016, 09:11:07 AM »
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It means that you are no longer interested in learning something new.
That can in no way be inferred from the statement "I don't ask a question unless I already know the answer to it".

Of course it can.  If I interpret it to mean that you only ask questions whose answers lie in the set of knowledge you already possess, then you are not asking questions on matters that lie outside of your current knowledge.

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What the statement means, is that I research and learn before I say something.  Which, by the way, if practiced by RE'ers, would serve to keep most of you from looking so foolish all the time.
Perhaps we are not concerned with looking foolish?  It appears that almost everyone who visits this site is unconcerned with appearing foolish.
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #57 on: January 26, 2016, 09:30:49 AM »
Quote from: TheEngineer on January 26, 2016, 07:05:15 AM
Too bad for you, that's not what you said.  You said the fallacy was 'argument by analogy'.  Which is not a fallacy at all.

In case you forgot:
Quote from: sokarul on January 24, 2016, 08:39:09 PM
The fallacy is probably argument by analogy or Syllogistic.

Remember when I said you were so easy to trap?  Here is another example.  I can't believe you have not learned your lesson by now.  I don't ask a question unless I already know the answer to it.  So I asked you to point out where I made the fallacy (knowing I made no fallacy) thus setting the trap (baiting).  You, wanting to get that 'gotcha', quickly took the bait and climbed right into the crab pot.  And then the trap was sprung, making you look like an idiot, yet again, Discount (Crab) Chemist.
You didn't actually refute anything I claimed. You really have no grasp on debate technique.

And no you would be a good lawyer.  Every time you don't address a claim you give it up.
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #58 on: January 26, 2016, 10:09:15 AM »
Quote from: sokarul on January 26, 2016, 09:30:49 AM
Quote from: TheEngineer on January 26, 2016, 07:05:15 AM
Too bad for you, that's not what you said.  You said the fallacy was 'argument by analogy'.  Which is not a fallacy at all.

In case you forgot:
Quote from: sokarul on January 24, 2016, 08:39:09 PM
The fallacy is probably argument by analogy or Syllogistic.

Remember when I said you were so easy to trap?  Here is another example.  I can't believe you have not learned your lesson by now.  I don't ask a question unless I already know the answer to it.  So I asked you to point out where I made the fallacy (knowing I made no fallacy) thus setting the trap (baiting).  You, wanting to get that 'gotcha', quickly took the bait and climbed right into the crab pot.  And then the trap was sprung, making you look like an idiot, yet again, Discount (Crab) Chemist.
You didn't actually refute anything I claimed. You really have no grasp on debate technique.

And no you would be a good lawyer.  Every time you don't address a claim you give it up.

Sounds to me like you are butt hurt.  Why does having people prove you wrong get you so mad?  We admit when you occasionally make a point.  We just wish we did not have to dredge through your pile of excrement to find that point. 
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Re: Endeavour?
« Reply #59 on: January 26, 2016, 02:11:14 PM »
Quote from: sokarul on January 26, 2016, 09:30:49 AM
You didn't actually refute anything I claimed.
Sure I did.  You claimed the fallacy was 'argument by analogy'.  Except that is not a fallacy, which you now apparently agree to, after I refuted your claim.

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And no you would be a good lawyer.  Every time you don't address a claim you give it up.
Lol.  Proof reading fail, yet again.

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