No Curvature For 105 Miles Proves Earth Is Not A Ball

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JamaalW

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No Curvature For 105 Miles Proves Earth Is Not A Ball
« on: November 05, 2015, 08:34:27 PM »
I thought the mods would have closed the thread. But since they didn't I'll repost. The picture is taken looking south as opposed to looking west. I initially thought it was taken looking west. So according to Google earth the length of the stretch of islands on the horizon (from left to right or right to left) is about 105 miles.

In the first picture we can see Corsica all the way to Isola d'Elba. Again, the distance from one end of the island to the other is about 105 miles.

If the earth is a globe and is 25,000 english statue miles in circumference, the surface of all standing water must be convex at some degree -- every part must be an arc of a circle. From the peak or summit of any such arc there will exist a curvature of declination of 8 inches in the first statue mile. In the second mile the fall will be 32 inches; in the third mile it will be 72 inches or 6 feet and so on. https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103813706899664739158/albums/6169277669745624769/6169277670769305218?sqi=110948746616556574259&sqsi=7777574a-d00e-4b07-9214-6b5372d44913

At the center of the x axis or horizontal line would be the summit of an arc of a circle being 52.5 miles (half of 105 miles) from each end, and would stand more than 1838 feet above.

Now read the following very carefully, okay? Let's forget about the Z axis or the distance from the observer to the island. Let's focus on the x axis or the horizontal line (where the base of the islands meet the ocean). If the earth was a globe, the x axis or the horizontal line would have VERY apparent, discernible curvature. How do I know this? Again, the middle of photo at the x axis would be the summit of an arc of a circle and should drop at least half of 1838 feet onto the far left and onto the far right.

But get this, the peak elevation of Corsica is 8,878 feet! So surely if you can see 8,878 feet from the base of the island to its peak in the picture then you would see 1838 feet (21% of 8,878 feet) of curvature or declination on the x axis from the center to the left and to the right.

As a matter of fact, the x axis or the horizontal line stretching 105+ miles is as straight as a ruler!!! Possible if the earth was a globe at 25,000 statute miles of circumference?

The x axis or the horizon line should look like this to some degree  http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/img/fig20.jpg

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/img/fig22.jpg

But it looks like this http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/img/fig19.jpg

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/img/fig21.jpg
« Last Edit: November 07, 2015, 12:23:48 AM by JamaalW »

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Re: No Curvature For 130 Miles Proves Earth Is Not A Ball
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2015, 08:53:47 PM »
Half a percent, when talking about something that is 25,000 km, is actually a lot.  Do you understand how numbers work? 

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Re: No Curvature For 130 Miles Proves Earth Is Not A Ball
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2015, 09:03:33 PM »
So, let's do a little basic math here. First off, we need to find what percentage of the Earth's circumference would 130 mile be? Well, if we divide 130 by 25000, we get 0.005. Multiply this by 100 to get a percentage, and we get 0.52%. This is a very small percentage of Earth's actual circumference, so it's understandable that we don't see a visible curve. Besides, the Earth isn't a perfect sphere anyways, which all the more validates the fact that your "proof" is wrong.

Did you even read the entirety of my post? Do you understand what I posted?

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Re: No Curvature For 130 Miles Proves Earth Is Not A Ball
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2015, 09:03:49 PM »
So, let's do a little basic math here. First off, we need to find what percentage of the Earth's circumference would 130 mile be? Well, if we divide 130 by 25000, we get 0.005. Multiply this by 100 to get a percentage, and we get 0.52%. This is a very small percentage of Earth's actual circumference, so it's understandable that we don't see a visible curve. Besides, the Earth isn't a perfect sphere anyways, which all the more validates the fact that your "proof" is wrong.

If you actually do the proper math, the Earth should curve around 2.1338 miles over 130 miles. Hardly negligible, in my opinion.

Using Pythagoras' Theorem -
a2 + b2 = c2
39592 + 1302 = c2
15673681 + 16900 = 15690581
sqrt 15690581 = 3961.1338
3961.1338 - 3959 = 2.1338 mi.


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Re: No Curvature For 130 Miles Proves Earth Is Not A Ball
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2015, 09:47:27 PM »
If everything is as the OP claims, why does it take a mirage to see over 80 miles away when somehow the picture claims we can see 130 miles away? Is it because the distance between objects doesn't mean anything and it's actually depends on the distance from the observer?

You fe'ers will be dishonest about anything to fake a point. Better luck next time.
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Re: No Curvature For 130 Miles Proves Earth Is Not A Ball
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2015, 10:09:13 PM »
Just to help further the point the is a retarded argument, if those islands are 130 miles apart and guessing at the angle between them of 50 degrees(which should be too much) it gives a distance away of 153 miles. Do you think we can see 153 miles away?

So yeah, once again you fail. Try harder and less dishonestly.
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Re: No Curvature For 130 Miles Proves Earth Is Not A Ball
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2015, 12:48:26 AM »
You guessed at numbers, and calculated that the OP was 20 miles different from what was claimed and then claimed this as some sort of win?  You really are a bit stupid, are you not sokarul? 

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Re: No Curvature For 130 Miles Proves Earth Is Not A Ball
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2015, 12:58:54 AM »
sokarul said it was 153 miles.  Are you calling him a liar too? 

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Re: No Curvature For 130 Miles Proves Earth Is Not A Ball
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2015, 01:00:09 AM »
if those islands are 130 miles apart and guessing at the angle between them of 50 degrees(which should be too much) it gives a distance away of 153 miles. Do you think we can see 153 miles away?
The "If" is the key word... Actually, they are no more than 40 miles apart. The photo shows their north coasts.

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Re: No Curvature For 130 Miles Proves Earth Is Not A Ball
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2015, 01:06:46 AM »
Are you giving the distance across one island, because the OP was talking about the distance from the far shore of one island to the far shore of another.  I just wanted to make sure we are all on the same page here. 

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Re: No Curvature For 130 Miles Proves Earth Is Not A Ball
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2015, 05:39:56 AM »
The OP was giving the distances that made on sense when compared to what the actual picture presented. If two object are visible then it is reasonable to their distance on the picture, not the distance between something that is not even visible or marked on the picture.

This is irrelevant as the entire OP is deleted...

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Re: No Curvature For 130 Miles Proves Earth Is Not A Ball
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2015, 11:21:43 AM »
You guessed at numbers, and calculated that the OP was 20 miles different from what was claimed and then claimed this as some sort of win?  You really are a bit stupid, are you not sokarul?
Pay the fuck attention you GED fucktard. He said the islands were 130 miles apart, not 130 miles away. Now look at the OP, he took notice of the error in his claim and I respect him for it, unlike you. I respect a doorknob more than you.
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Re: No Curvature For 130 Miles Proves Earth Is Not A Ball
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2015, 08:39:53 PM »
You guessed at numbers, and calculated that the OP was 20 miles different from what was claimed and then claimed this as some sort of win?  You really are a bit stupid, are you not sokarul?
Pay the fuck attention you GED fucktard. He said the islands were 130 miles apart, not 130 miles away. Now look at the OP, he took notice of the error in his claim and I respect him for it, unlike you. I respect a doorknob more than you.

A doorknob would know that it was you who claimed to be calculating distances away, when everyone else is discussing distances apart, you knob. 

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Re: No Curvature For 130 Miles Proves Earth Is Not A Ball
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2015, 08:45:19 PM »
You guessed at numbers, and calculated that the OP was 20 miles different from what was claimed and then claimed this as some sort of win?  You really are a bit stupid, are you not sokarul?
Pay the fuck attention you GED fucktard. He said the islands were 130 miles apart, not 130 miles away. Now look at the OP, he took notice of the error in his claim and I respect him for it, unlike you. I respect a doorknob more than you.

A doorknob would know that it was you who claimed to be calculating distances away, when everyone else is discussing distances apart, you knob.
Yes, he gave the DISTANCE BETWEEN TWO OBJECTS, I did a quick calculation to calculate the DISTANCE TO THE OBJECTS.

What is so hard to understand here? They were using the 130 mile number like it means something, it doesn't. I showed that it was meaningless. Try and keep up.
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Re: No Curvature For 130 Miles Proves Earth Is Not A Ball
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2015, 01:21:05 PM »
if those islands are 130 miles apart and guessing at the angle between them of 50 degrees(which should be too much) it gives a distance away of 153 miles. Do you think we can see 153 miles away?
The "If" is the key word... Actually, they are no more than 40 miles apart. The photo shows their north coasts.

Actually the islands are at least 105 miles apart. And that is being conservative. You can see more to the left and more to the right of the islands.


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Re: No Curvature For 105 Miles Proves Earth Is Not A Ball
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2015, 01:59:14 PM »
But get this, the peak elevation of Corsica is 8,878 feet! So surely if you can see 8,878 feet from the base of the island to its peak in the picture then you would see 1838 feet (21% of 8,878 feet) of curvature or declination on the x axis from the center to the left and to the right.

  What you are trying to do is done quite few years ago and in much better ways. And with your ~9000 feet you are not high enough to notice the curvature of Earth.
http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: No Curvature For 105 Miles Proves Earth Is Not A Ball
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2015, 05:12:59 PM »
Don't you guys realise that sometimes the human eye perceives a curve as being straight?
Do I have to even give an example?
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