It's not God who made mankind stupid, it's the Devil

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« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2006, 02:13:15 AM »
Nothing divides a world's people like religion, over the multiple interpretations of the christian/islamic/judea god YHWH.

careful examination of this character in the multiple books about him in the tora, the old testement, and the koran would show that the hebrew god (or allah if you will) is actually the least humane, least loving, most bloodthirsty, vengeful, evil being ever depicted. Even in the worst Horror books, you would not find the sheer cruelty, genocide, and hate driven madness on a scale as would be found in ancient scriptures about this god.

Man follows right in his footsteps, and most times under his direct influence.

For intance, Kill a person for the following offenses.

Worshipping other gods (Judeaism)
Arguing with parents (Judeasim)
Screwing the neighbor (Judeaism)
Stealing (Judeasim)
Thinking about any of the above (Judeasim)
Getting raped (Islam)
Believing the christ is the son of god  (Islam)

Christianity is quoted in the new testament in Matthew "Must follow every Jot and Tittle of the law" referring to Judeastic law

Not worshipping god as they do (all three)

There are stories in the Bible that are in Dueteronomy, Exodus, and Leviticus that depict some of the worst, heinus, and cruel acts against humity under god's rules, which go against the very survival of the human race.

The Koran is clearly one message, "Kill the Infidel" through Muhammed is quoted in a couple of places that Allah dislikes aggressors, but the overall message is still pretty clear Kill Kill Kill.

Religion is now cherry picked to only quote the good parts. You will find this in every church, and every sunday school class. Preachers often quote from the bible a verse or two. Do you ever hear them yell out the orders to kill 32,000 innocent men, women, and children just for living in a town that god supposedly said was evil?

The rules, and laws in that time were barbaric by today's standards. It sickens me to see that people are saying that religion needs to be infused in our society to make it better, when in the grand scheme of things it will make it far worse.

To say that morals were commanded by god, is a joke when you see that clergy abused power for centuries, and even in today' world, how many priests have we heard about that rape children?

Religion needs to go away, like apollo. zeus, posiden, RA, and Ba'al. religion is a sick minded idea of someone's over active asperations to control people through brainwashing. Starting from childhood, into adulthood. Condemn all that do not believe as you to hell. and currently the nation of Islam is doing just that to their own people as well as the soldiers on the ground.

I just want to puke when I hear the freaking president say that this is god's wishes to go over there and whoop on Iraq. God had nothing to do with it jackass! You were cleaning up Daddy's mess from 1991, and 9/11 gave you a catalyst to do it. Go ahead, lie some more!

The many different religions of the world all claim to have a corner on god's market, but none of them have any logical, tangible, or credible proof to back up a freaking thing they say. One book they refer to as the proof that they can present. Bullshit!

That is my bit. carry on

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« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2006, 10:17:10 AM »
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I still only have your claim on this event.  I'd like some actual evidence that you're not lying.
I had heard it and it was my belief. are you trying to change my belief? :?:  :shock:
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« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2006, 12:19:14 PM »
No, but I'm not going to believe you.  And if getting me to believe wasn't your intent, then why in hell did you bring it up in the first place?
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« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2006, 12:27:03 PM »
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No, but I'm not going to believe you.  And if getting me to believe wasn't your intent, then why in hell did you bring it up in the first place?
because you were all questioning my intellingence with my age and 'Jake' pegged me at 3 years old, so that reminded me of the 3 year old with the PHD :)
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« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2006, 03:13:15 AM »
Surely if Hell exists, God cannot possibly be Omnibenevolent, or even "nice" at all.  A find it hard to believe that someone could willingly comdemn someone to eternal suffering. Surely if it was in your power you would give everyone paradise.
And if God isnt omnibenevolent, then you're worshipping a God who is basically a bit of an ass.
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« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2006, 07:46:42 AM »
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Surely if Hell exists, God cannot possibly be Omnibenevolent, or even "nice" at all.  A find it hard to believe that someone could willingly comdemn someone to eternal suffering. Surely if it was in your power you would give everyone paradise.
And if God isnt omnibenevolent, then you're worshipping a God who is basically a bit of an ass.
i hope you get to paradise , because that is the only place Hell doesn't exist
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« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2006, 09:21:30 AM »
I'd rather be in hell with the other virtuous non-believers than in heaven with the mass murderers and rapists that repent and gain access.
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« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2006, 10:24:34 AM »
The idea of repentence has always annoyed me as well.
It just means relising what you did was a bad idea. or sometimes "being sorry for it"
That means someone could live badly all his life and then think "damn, im gonna go to hell now, it was real stupid doing all those things"
And bam, hed have repented, he wasnt actually a better person he just got scared by hell.
And conversly, there could be a good person, who accidently commits a sin, and doesn t realise he has. He couldnt repent so he goes to hell.
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« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2006, 10:25:51 AM »
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I'd rather be in hell with the other virtuous non-believers than in heaven with the mass murderers and rapists that repent and gain access.


I can pretty much guarantee that you wouldn't choose hell over heaven.  About 99.999999% sure.  I'd prefer heaven for all over heaven for the good and hell for the bad.  That seems like the only fair way to go.
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« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2006, 10:31:40 AM »
Although heaven would presumably not be very paradise-y in heaven if there were rapist-murderers.
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« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2006, 10:53:37 AM »
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I'd rather be in hell with the other virtuous non-believers than in heaven with the mass murderers and rapists that repent and gain access.


I can pretty much guarantee that you wouldn't choose hell over heaven.  About 99.999999% sure.  I'd prefer heaven for all over heaven for the good and hell for the bad.  That seems like the only fair way to go.


Define hell, though!

Are we talking Dante's hell?

Are we talking the Jewish hell?  Because we're already there, according to them.

Are we talking Christian Hell?  God loves me, but since I choose to bother myself with my every day affairs and relationships rather than trying to score brownie points with an incorporeal entity I have no good reason to believe in, I am doomed to eternal damnation.

Or are we talking about a different hell?  There are so many realms of torment, I don't know which one I should fear most!
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« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2006, 10:55:48 AM »
Presumably any hell is equally bad, as long as you know that you're there.
Even a non-violent hell would be torment, given that you would know that you COULD be somewhere better.
You'd get used to pain eventually.
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« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2006, 11:03:29 AM »
"Pain" is just a reaction the body has to stimuli.  I don't think the "spirit" can feel "pain" per se.  The idea of Hell being full of physical tortures is silly privative belief.  The only true tortures I can imagine that Hell would contain would be mental tortures.  Having to watch your mother die over and over, and such.

But again, you're right.  After so long, you'd get desensitized to it.  Eternity is a long time.  I'd probably just get bored.
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« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2006, 11:08:39 AM »
Although presumably (from a literal point of view) lucifer and his buddies would be able to keep coming up with new tortures so that you couldn't get used to it. I suppose theyd have have a long time before hand to come up with some to "get started"
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« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2006, 11:14:26 AM »
Again, Eternity is a long time.  Also, once you understand what's going on, I can't imagine it would be too much worse than watching a horror movie.

That's why "eternal damnation" is so ridiculous.  People who are truly evil won't gain a thing from the torture, and people who learn their lesson quickly are stuck there forever.  There's not much point in it.
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« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2006, 12:02:47 PM »
I imagine its not for the benefit of the person suffering, but more as an incentive for people who are living.
If hell was only limited, it wouldnt be as scary for people.
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« Reply #46 on: December 02, 2006, 01:00:46 PM »
Minkind is just plain ol' stupid

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« Reply #47 on: December 02, 2006, 01:01:55 PM »
Wtf? can you repeat that using grammer, rather than using a random collection of words.
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« Reply #48 on: December 02, 2006, 01:04:29 PM »
What I am saying using lay terms is that the collective intellect of mankind in a crowd defaults to the lowest intellectual element in the group, hence the words "Mankind is stupid as hell"

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« Reply #49 on: December 02, 2006, 01:06:24 PM »
ah, i see. Sorry.
Theres a good quote i heard (i think on this forum, but i may be wrong)

"A Person is intelligent, people are stupid"
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« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2006, 04:34:37 PM »
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ah, i see. Sorry.
Theres a good quote i heard (i think on this forum, but i may be wrong)

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« Reply #51 on: December 04, 2006, 04:01:52 AM »
I am aware its stolen. Thats why I said I heard it rather than I made it up.
Sorry if I caused anyone upset by using it. I can remove my post if you want
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« Reply #52 on: December 04, 2006, 05:51:17 AM »
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The idea of repentence has always annoyed me as well.
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"virtuous non-believers" have always annoyed me
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"I'd rather be in hell with the other virtuous non-believers than in heaven with the mass murderers and rapists that repent and gain access" {digitalnomad}??? you'll be in hell with rapists and mass murderers that don't repent
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« Reply #53 on: December 04, 2006, 09:56:35 AM »
You really, really need to learn to quote.  I don't even know what to reply to, and I don't feel like going back and figure out who said what.
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« Reply #54 on: December 04, 2006, 11:28:52 AM »
Quote from: "Oliwoli"
I am aware its stolen. Thats why I said I heard it rather than I made it up.
Sorry if I caused anyone upset by using it. I can remove my post if you want


You fool, I was trying to tell you I was stealing it.  Or maybe I'm the fool.  Yes, that's it, you are not the fool.

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« Reply #55 on: December 04, 2006, 02:54:21 PM »
Oh right. Sorry again then.
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Re: It's not God who made mankind stupid, it's the Devil
« Reply #56 on: December 30, 2006, 12:38:43 AM »
Ok... Friendly all knowing alien needs to come into play here...

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and he will continue to try and do so till he is chained in Hell, which is directly beneath us. He knows he's going to go down there anyways,"so why not bring a few of those muddy basterds along"


Indeed he will, cause God gave him the power to try. You weak minded humans just follow along, like lambs to the slaughter.

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Provide evidence that either one exists, and then we can discuss which made man 'stupid'.


Neither did actually. Sin did. Sin overcame mans weak mind and played around a bit untill you get what you have today. A humorous, yet evil, race of barbarians.

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No.  I just refuse to believe in a god that created us for no reason, just to damn us to eternal suffering for no reason.


He didnt create you to suffer. He created you to serve him. Like any ruler does, he wants his subjects to serve him. Sheesh, humans have some nerve acussing their creator like that.

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No.  I just refuse to believe in a god that created us for no reason, just to damn us to eternal suffering for no reason.
it's to clean the shit that's in our brains. nobody in paradise has shit in his or her brain. it has to be cleaned out either here or in Hell.[/quote]

Couldnt have said it better myself. *smiles*

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Not to mention, the idea of a sentient yet omnipresent, invisible, and intangible being is ridiculous, at best.


Isnt that what gravity is? *snickers*

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Those are all material rewards.  What can God offer us as a reward that we don't already have?


The ability to live forever? I mean really, you earth dwellers and your animals are the only beings in the universe without that ability. Surely you would want it back? *snickers again*

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Surely if Hell exists, God cannot possibly be Omnibenevolent, or even "nice" at all.  A find it hard to believe that someone could willingly comdemn someone to eternal suffering. Surely if it was in your power you would give everyone paradise.
And if God isnt omnibenevolent, then you're worshipping a God who is basically a bit of an ass.


Its common sence only the worthy would be granted access to enternity... Sheesh you are a lesser one arent you?

Quote from: "thedigitalnomad"
Again, Eternity is a long time.  Also, once you understand what's going on, I can't imagine it would be too much worse than watching a horror movie.

That's why "eternal damnation" is so ridiculous.  People who are truly evil won't gain a thing from the torture, and people who learn their lesson quickly are stuck there forever.  There's not much point in it.


Catholics made up that term. Eternal damnation. There is not a single paragraph in your bible that meantions such a thing. Damnible catholics. The evil die during the thousand years in heaven, before the return to purified earth. Earth and the 'evil' ones, along with that bitch of a demon will be destroyed with fire and brimstone and then the holy ones will return and manifest on the land once more. There is no eternal torture or some such rubbish. Honestly...

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Theres a good quote i heard (i think on this forum, but i may be wrong)

"A Person is intelligent, people are stupid"


I herd that quote on the movie 'Men In Black' personally. Thats a good movie. *smiles*

Hooly Jaheebies. This is a long post. I'll shut up now. Again, your friendly neighborhood alien here, pointing you talae to the truth!
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« Reply #57 on: December 30, 2006, 10:00:31 AM »
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I'll shut up now.

Please do. Nobody here cares to listen to your fanatic self-righteousness.

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« Reply #58 on: December 30, 2006, 11:35:13 AM »
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Quote from: "thedigitalnomad"
No.  I just refuse to believe in a god that created us for no reason, just to damn us to eternal suffering for no reason.


He didnt create you to suffer. He created you to serve him. Like any ruler does, he wants his subjects to serve him. Sheesh, humans have some nerve acussing their creator like that.


What a jerk he must be if he's so conceited in his perfection that he creates people to worship him.  What do you mean by "serve"?  What the hell does he expect us to do?  He can do anything!  What need does he have for us?

Creationists need to get their story straight for why they think God created us.  Is it for worshipers?  That kind of self-absorption is contradictory to being perfect.  Was he bored?  If God didn't have a reason for creating us, and just did for shits and giggles, then I don't see any reason to waste my life worshiping him when I could actually be doing something productive.

Aside from that, there is no way I can tell which religion to follow there are so many.  If God wants to damn everyone who doesn't follow the religion (or people who are misled by the devil which he created--what kind of sense does that make?  He gives us no true way to judge which is the religion, and then screws us over with damnation afterward), or wants to damn me for being an honest skeptic, then fuck him.  I'd rather rot in hell than be in heaven with that unjust, conceited prick.

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Again, Eternity is a long time.  Also, once you understand what's going on, I can't imagine it would be too much worse than watching a horror movie.

That's why "eternal damnation" is so ridiculous.  People who are truly evil won't gain a thing from the torture, and people who learn their lesson quickly are stuck there forever.  There's not much point in it.


Catholics made up that term. Eternal damnation. There is not a single paragraph in your bible that meantions such a thing. Damnible catholics. The evil die during the thousand years in heaven, before the return to purified earth. Earth and the 'evil' ones, along with that noble seamstress of a demon will be destroyed with fire and brimstone and then the holy ones will return and manifest on the land once more. There is no eternal torture or some such rubbish. Honestly...


The whole thing is rubbish.
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« Reply #59 on: December 30, 2006, 03:52:12 PM »
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It's not God who made mankind stupid, it's the Devil


Raa just admitted to being the Devil!