It's not God who made mankind stupid, it's the Devil

What a jerk he must be if he's so conceited in his perfection that he creates people to worship him.  What do you mean by "serve"?  What the hell does he expect us to do?  He can do anything!  What need does he have for us?

Dont you think being the only being in the universe that was is and always will be would be kind of.... lonly? Being a king with no subjects is like being the only ant in an ants nest. Who knows? we could all be a part of a big game set up between thousands of gods called "Who can create the most perfect race of creatures within seven days and then let the darkness take it over and watch it slowly wither away and die?" *snickers* that would be funny. Considering thats pretty much what happened, aside from he was the only god in the univers, as far as he has said...

Aside from that, there is no way I can tell which religion to follow there are so many.  If God wants to damn everyone who doesn't follow the religion (or people who are misled by the devil which he created--what kind of sense does that make?  He gives us no true way to judge which is the religion, and then screws us over with damnation afterward), or wants to damn me for being an honest skeptic, then fuck him.

In a scence all the religions are true. They have almost all spawned from the one there was in the beggining. The 'true' relegion as it were. Yes, God created the devil, but he created the devil as the most perfect and beautifull of the angels. Because of that darkness was able to take over and made him think was better then god. Hence the downfall. Lucifer is really no problem if you ignor him.

Considering thats pretty much what happened, aside from he was the only god in the univers, as far as he has said...

I don't really recall the bible saying anything like that.  He said "I am your one true lord and master" or whatever, and "thou shalt not have other gods before me," but he never said anything about there not being more gods.  That commandment almost

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Aside from that, there is no way I can tell which religion to follow there are so many.  If God wants to damn everyone who doesn't follow the religion (or people who are misled by the devil which he created--what kind of sense does that make?  He gives us no true way to judge which is the religion, and then screws us over with damnation afterward), or wants to damn me for being an honest skeptic, then fuck him.

In a scence all the religions are true. They have almost all spawned from the one there was in the beggining. The 'true' relegion as it were. Yes, God created the devil, but he created the devil as the most perfect and beautifull of the angels. Because of that darkness was able to take over and made him think was better then god. Hence the downfall. Lucifer is really no problem if you ignor him.

You can't ignore him.  He influences every bad deed and bad thought that we have.  At least, that's what the Christians say.  All of "the other" religions are not true, according to the Christians.  There is only one true word of God, and all of the others are perpetrated by Satan to mislead us.

In the pentatuch (spelling? First 5 books of the bible) there is no mention of G-d being the ONLY god, but after that, i believe there are.

the devil doesn't make us stupid, the devil has no power on earth, except that which mankind gives him.

he may be deathly convincing, but he has no power.

the devil doesn't make us stupid, the devil has no power on earth, except that which mankind gives him.

he may be deathly convincing, but he has no power.

The Devil died with Santa Claus.

so god is good and the devil is evil.

false. there is no good and evil, only people who are right, and people who are wrong. there is no act without a true or false reason behind it.

it is often said the devils greatest trick was fooling mankind into thinking he doesn't exist

also false. he didn't fool anyone. he doesn't. he never did, he never will. same goes for god, angels or any other crap you want to come up with.


what is hell?

if you read all reliable (well, as reliable as the bible goes) its simply the seperation from god. which, seeing as i must be seperate from god right now seeing as he doesn't exist. doesn't seem too bad.




so what DOES happen when you die?

i'll try and explain it.

when you are knocked unconscious, to you, no time will of passed in between when you were awake, and when you woke up again.

thats what death is, but without the waking up. you won't even KNOW you are dead.

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and he will continue to try and do so till he is chained in Hell, which is directly beneath us. He knows he's going to go down there anyways,"so why not bring a few of those muddy basterds along"

Bollocks!

Humans are the ones to blame. Darwin can't do his job because everything is gradually being made idiot proof. People don't even read SIGNS anymore, they expect all information to be delivered via audio.

at least I'm not trying to get you to follow me there, but you'll end up there much longer because you follow the devil by "doubting"

If it's eternal punishment how will anyone be there any longer than anyone else?

While I am glad that there are some more atheists on this forum, you guys should really consider how "readable" your posts are.  If you want to convince people of your views, you have to write convincing posts.  Try to be eloquent, it actually does our cause a great deal of good and people will have higher opinions of your intelligence too.

While I am glad that there are some more atheists on this forum, you guys should really consider how "readable" your posts are.  If you want to convince people of your views, you have to write convincing posts.  Try to be eloquent, it actually does our cause a great deal of good and people will have higher opinions of your intelligence too.

I never really cared what others consider me as. The people I like and get to know better are the ones that don't judge me on any one particular moment or aspect.

That's like taking a single letter out of the alphabet and judging the English language based solely on your opinion of that one letter.

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While I am glad that there are some more atheists on this forum, you guys should really consider how "readable" your posts are.  If you want to convince people of your views, you have to write convincing posts.  Try to be eloquent, it actually does our cause a great deal of good and people will have higher opinions of your intelligence too.

I never really cared what others consider me as. The people I like and get to know better are the ones that don't judge me on any one particular moment or aspect.

That's like taking a single letter out of the alphabet and judging the English language based solely on your opinion of that one letter.

If i had to judge the language on a letter... it would be Y, followed by s and k.  Why is Y so damn odd? Sometimes its a vowel... sometimes it isnt. WTF!!! i think someone just got lazy with the english language. And the whole PH thing is pretty stupid. Why can't the word Why just be the letter Y. It SOUNDS the same, and its shorter. S, C, K. One of these letters can make the same sound as two of these letters. WHY TWO EXTRA LETTERS!

Your judging those letters based on your knowledge of the English language.

Pick a random letter from Japanese and judge the entire language on that one letter.