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« on: November 21, 2006, 09:02:04 PM »
and he will continue to try and do so till he is chained in Hell, which is directly beneath us. He knows he's going to go down there anyways,"so why not bring a few of those muddy basterds along"
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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2006, 09:14:55 PM »
Provide evidence that either one exists, and then we can discuss which made man 'stupid'.
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2006, 09:22:13 PM »
God said that he would punish any of the 12 disciples, of Jesus, with the WORST possible punishment (any man could recieve) in Hell, if any of them didn't believe in Him after He had provided them with the feast (from Heaven) they desired, to confirm their belief in Him[The Almighty]. This is scary enough for me...is it not for you?
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2006, 09:46:36 PM »
Not really, but then again God hasn't thrown me a feast yet.
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2006, 09:50:34 PM »
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God said that he would punish any of the 12 disciples, of Jesus, with the WORST possible punishment (any man could recieve) in Hell, if any of them didn't believe in Him after He had provided them with the feast (from Heaven) they desired, to confirm their belief in Him[The Almighty]. This is scary enough for me...is it not for you?


Effectively "Believe in me or you will suffer".

This is definitely someone I want to know [/sarcasm].  F.uck God.
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2006, 09:55:25 PM »
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Not really, but then again God hasn't thrown me a feast yet.

ask for one, and good luck
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2006, 10:00:29 PM »
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God said that he would punish any of the 12 disciples, of Jesus, with the WORST possible punishment (any man could recieve) in Hell, if any of them didn't believe in Him after He had provided them with the feast (from Heaven) they desired, to confirm their belief in Him[The Almighty]. This is scary enough for me...is it not for you?


Effectively "Believe in me or you will suffer".Not "effectively", but "Truthfully", unfortunately.
This is definitely someone I want to know [/sarcasm].  F.uck God.Why? Do you want to harm him? :?
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2006, 10:15:54 PM »
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This is definitely someone I want to know [/sarcasm].  F.uck God.


Why? Do you want to harm him? :?


No.  I just refuse to believe in a god that created us for no reason, just to damn us to eternal suffering for no reason.
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2006, 10:20:20 PM »
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This is definitely someone I want to know [/sarcasm].  F.uck God.


Why? Do you want to harm Him? :?


No.  I just refuse to believe in a god that created us for no reason, just to damn us to eternal suffering for no reason.
it's to clean the shit that's in our brains. nobody in paradise has shit in his or her brain. it has to be cleaned out either here or in Hell.
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2006, 10:31:12 PM »
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It's to clean the shit that's in our brains. nobody in paradise has shit in his or her brain. it has to be cleaned out either here or in Hell.

If this is true, I can think of at least one person who is in for a long painful ordeal in the fires of Hades. No points for guessing who it is.
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2006, 10:38:02 PM »
There would be no reason for devil to exist.
Anyways, if he would exist, why is he punishing the sinners when he himself is evil? Shouldn't sinners be rewarded?
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2006, 12:04:21 AM »
What I don't get is this:

We are punished in Hell if we have sinned too much on Earth (without repent or regret).
We are rewarded in Heaven if we have not sinned (or confessed our sins with the intention of repention). But if we're in Heaven, which is God's territory, wouldn't it make sense that we still don't get to sin? If we did, God would be a big hypocrite. So, basically, if we don't sin, we're rewarded with an eternity to...NOT sin? And if we DO sin, we can sin all the damned time for an eternity. Why wouldn't anyone want to go to Hell? I mean, come on now.

Not to mention, the idea of a sentient yet omnipresent, invisible, and intangible being is ridiculous, at best.

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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2006, 09:30:48 AM »
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It's to clean the shit that's in our brains. nobody in paradise has shit in his or her brain. it has to be cleaned out either here or in Hell.

If this is true, I can think of at least one person who is in for a long painful ordeal in the fires of Hades. No points for guessing who it is.
at least I'm not trying to get you to follow me there, but you'll end up there much longer because you follow the devil by "doubting"
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2006, 09:37:24 AM »
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There would be no reason for devil to exist.
Anyways, if he would exist, why is he punishing the sinners when he himself is evil? Shouldn't sinners be rewarded?
even if you don't know what "good" is, you still have made the choice to "sin"..-"you have chosen to read the next word".. there are thousands of different rewards, hell just happens to be a painfull one.
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2006, 09:55:42 AM »
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What I don't get is this:

We are punished in Hell if we have sinned too much on Earth (without repent or regret).
We are rewarded in Heaven if we have not sinned (or confessed our sins with the intention of repention). But if we're in Heaven, which is God's territory,but we still die on this territory, right? wouldn't it make sense that we still don't get to sin?yes that's right, everybody is in the state of "not sinning" on this territory, and sinning is a choice, some of which if you do, it is you who gave yourself the complete command to do it. If we did, God would be a big hypocrite.Right... So, basically, if we don't sin, we're rewarded with an eternity to...NOT sin?yes And if we DO sin, we can sin all the damned time for an eternity.you can't sin in paradise...don't forget, you've been rewarded. you are now in paradise "an eternity to...NOT sin" Why wouldn't anyone want to go to Hell? because no one knows the actual feeling of hell..we're told about it, but we have no reference point. I mean, come on now.You know that there is life and death, right?-----i hope that your damn answer is 'yes'

Not to mention, the idea of a sentient yet omnipresent, invisible, and intangible being is ridiculous, at best.

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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2006, 09:58:34 AM »
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...there are thousands of different rewards, hell just happens to be a painfull one.


Thousands? Name ten.
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2006, 10:29:33 AM »
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...there are thousands of different rewards, hell just happens to be a painfull one.


Thousands? Name ten.
a toy fire-engine--a doll-- plastic pancake--real fried eggs---a horse--a large remote control airplane---a women--skin replacement plasctic---(that's 8) ---thought---and ehhhh oh yes...light---THAT'S 10 :mrgreen:
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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2006, 10:30:28 AM »
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...there are thousands of different rewards, hell just happens to be a painfull one.


Thousands? Name ten.
a toy fire-engine--a doll-- plastic pancake--real fried eggs---a horse--a large remote control airplane---a women--skin replacement plasctic---(that's 8) ---thought---and ehhhh oh yes...light---THAT'S 10 :mrgreen:


Those are all material rewards.  What can God offer us as a reward that we don't already have?
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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2006, 10:56:49 AM »
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...there are thousands of different rewards, hell just happens to be a painfull one.


Thousands? Name ten.
a toy fire-engine--a doll-- plastic pancake--real fried eggs---a horse--a large remote control airplane---a women--skin replacement plasctic---(that's 8) ---thought---and ehhhh oh yes...light---THAT'S 10 :mrgreen:


Those are all material rewards.explain the road from "thought" to material and I will give you a candy.  What can God offer us as a reward that we don't already have?nothing, paradise and hell are right here now, in this universe...and they both last "as long as the heavens and the earth exist"
the problem with mathematitians is that they don't have a mental sense of infinitum, be it in distance or time--the space between numbers and the sun is an area of comfort and relief
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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2006, 12:34:46 PM »
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the problem with mathematitians is that they don't have a mental sense of infinitum, be it in distance or time--the space between numbers and the sun is an area of comfort and relief

I'll put my sense of infinity up against yours any time or place.
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« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2006, 03:22:06 PM »
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the problem with mathematitians is that they don't have a mental sense of infinitum, be it in distance or time--the space between numbers and the sun is an area of comfort and relief

Define sense of infinity, and explain why yours is better than mine.

And there really is nothing that God can offer me that is worth a lifetime of servitude to him.

Also, if a family member of mine goes to hell, would god bring them to heaven if I asked him to? If not, then what he has to offer me is not infinite, is it?
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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2006, 04:37:26 PM »
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Also, if a family member of mine goes to hell, would god bring them to heaven if I asked him to? If not, then what he has to offer me is not infinite, is it?


That's a good one.  Pwnt there.
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« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2006, 05:08:43 PM »
my actual belief about the sun is that its' distance is actually immeasurable by man.
I don't want to know if you agree with me or not, i would like your thoughts about such a distance, because, what i said about the distance to the sun being immeasurable, is a possiblity. its' size is also immeasurable and so is its' speed immeasurable. i have learned a complete theorem about geocentricity, and writing about the sun is only a small part of it, so until i show you what geocentricity is as  a complete theory, then you can agree with flatearthism or not. everybody knows the complete theory about the spinning earth and gravity and therefore have the choice to agree with it or not. nobody is forced to belief in that solar system, I don't, but i know another kind of solar system in its entirity, and i didn't make it up, i read about it. there are only 3 known original copies of it right now on earth.
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« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2006, 05:26:21 PM »
I had a feeling that geocentricity was a half baked idea, and I was right.

"the Sun, Moon, stars, and naked eye planets circle the Earth" (Wikipedia)

May I ask, how old are you?
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« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2006, 05:30:22 PM »
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I had a feeling that geocentricity was a half baked idea,yes it was, and now it's completly baked, and i'm the oven and I was right.

"the Sun, Moon, stars, and naked eye planets circle the Earth" (Wikipedia)they circle horizontally above the earth

May I ask, how old are you?i am empty
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« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2006, 07:02:38 PM »
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May I ask, how old are you?


He claims to be 50.  But I'd peg him at about three.
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« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2006, 08:05:58 AM »
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May I ask, how old are you?


He claims to be 50.  But I'd peg him at about three.
You didn't hear about the Japanese man , 1972, who taught his own son, and at 3 years old , the boy had a PhD. I'm 50, and my Great-Grand-Father taught me, so imagine how smart I am. INFINITELY! :oops:
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« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2006, 09:48:35 AM »
I'd like to see some evidence of this claim, of the Japanese boy.  Especially considering that the youngest PhD I can find was only 21.

I think you're just pulling things out of your ass now.
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« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2006, 10:05:53 AM »
well when i was in grade 2 , i was told that 1+1=2, when i was in grade 12 i was told that a 3 year old japanese kid got his Phd after studying with his father. this makes round earth chronological learning
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« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2006, 10:38:27 AM »
I still only have your claim on this event.  I'd like some actual evidence that you're not lying.
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