Your research is not complete; do your own field research

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Tom

Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2015, 10:29:28 AM »
Out of curiosity Tom, what other areas do you insist on having personal observation (but only a single specific type of observation) before making a decision?

The woman I will have sex with.

Do you use a spotting scope?

Yes, to see if there is enough curvature.

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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2015, 10:34:55 AM »
Out of curiosity Tom, what other areas do you insist on having personal observation (but only a single specific type of observation) before making a decision?

The woman I will have sex with.

Do you use a spotting scope?

Yes, to see if there is enough curvature.

I sincerely hope that's not an answer to the actual question I asked.

Also, you still haven't explained why that's the only way we can know.
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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2015, 10:46:43 AM »
Tom, why are you so stuck on the notion that long distance spotting is the only way to determine the Earth's shape?

When I first came on the site, I was curious about the discussion. Why on earth would people think that the earth was not round?
After awhile, I discovered that RE- as well as FE-models are based on assumptions. In the meantime I learned some things as well.

Several FE-people did their own long-distance observations. They did that for a reason. They are not stupid. If you think they are, probably you are more stupid and very arrogant.

When you are unbiased and not so stuck on RE-science (not so knowledgable and one-sided like most people here) observing is the thing to do. In my opinion it is the ultimate 'litmus test' so to speak.

Then, you have to know more about calculating the horizons at different heights, refraction and superior mirages (as opposed to inferior mirages). Superior mirages only happen when the surface is cold and there is warm air above it. No chance you have this in Spain in summer.

So, I bought a spotting scope and did quite a few observations on 5 days.
Yesterday when I was looking there was a moment of extreme clarity. I could see the island Ibiza from the beach, near the harbour, in Altea. And I saw several ships far far away.
It was amazing.
A few minutes later when I was looking at a different spot, the vision was less clear and I could look at ships about 15-25 km away and at a different harbour, 6 km away. I saw the bottom of small boats and people water skying.

On five days I didn't see a curvature of the earth.

I don't know why I am writing this as everyone in this thread is only mocking me and ridiculing everything I say.
This is my last thread that I will encourage people to do their own long-distance observations.

I really don't care what you do or believe. Not because I am so unfriendly, but because it is not my business what people do. I just describe what I did and discovered.

I will now focus on more observations in the mountains and on the land when I'm going to a different country.
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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2015, 10:52:04 AM »
If by assumption you mean "Not believing in the kind of conspiracy that Mulder would look at and think 'well that's just absurd,'" then sure, RET relies on an assumption. Some assumptions are justified.

The problem is, your credibility's shot as a reliable source given there are two threads spanning several pages which tried to teach you very basic trig. If you're honest about those observations, if you successfully did the maths, and understand how much curvature was expected compared to the error bars of your measurements, you might have a point. I'm not convinced on any of those points.
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Tom

Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2015, 10:53:59 AM »
If by assumption you mean "Not believing in the kind of conspiracy that Mulder would look at and think 'well that's just absurd,'" then sure, RET relies on an assumption. Some assumptions are justified.

The problem is, your credibility's shot as a reliable source given there are two threads spanning several pages which tried to teach you very basic trig. If you're honest about those observations, if you successfully did the maths, and understand how much curvature was expected compared to the error bars of your measurements, you might have a point. I'm not convinced on any of those points.

I am not the right person to convince you of anything. That's not my responsibility.

You are the one who is mocking me and ridiculing everything I say.

Do what you like and don't waste your time talking to me.

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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2015, 11:41:20 AM »
Tom, why are you so stuck on the notion that long distance spotting is the only way to determine the Earth's shape?

When I first came on the site, I was curious about the discussion. Why on earth would people think that the earth was not round?
After awhile, I discovered that RE- as well as FE-models are based on assumptions.

Several FE-people did their own long-distance observations. They did that for a reason. They are not stupid. If you think they are, probably you are more stupid and very arrogant.

So, observing is the thing to do. Then, you have to know more about calculating the horizons at different heights, refraction and superior mirages (as opposed to inferior mirages). Superior mirages only happen when the surface is cold and there is warm air above it. No chance you have this in Spain in summer.

So, I bought a spotting scope and did quite a few observations on 5 days.
Yesterday when I was looking there was an extreme clear moment. I could see the island Ibiza from the beach, near the harbour, in Altea. And I saw several ships far far away.
It was amazing.
A few minutes later when I was looking at a different spot, the vision was less clear and I could look at ships about 25 km away and at a different harbour, 6 km away. I saw the bottom of small boats and people water skying.

On five days I didn't see a curvature of the earth.
Observing is good, but if you aren't sure what you're looking for how can you tell if you've seen it or not?

For instance, I read in the "Moonlight" thread that exposure to "the Strawberry Moon" could have bad effects, but even after asking, couldn't get any details about what the effects were. After being out in the moonlight that evening, I didn't notice any ill effects, but maybe there were some and I didn't realize it, or I wasn't exposed long enough; it was a nice enough evening, but getting a little chilly in shorts and a T-shirt, so I didn't stay outside all that long - a little less than 30 minutes. Since the inflamed skin from a moderate scrape is sometimes called a "strawberry", I thought I might get a mild rash, but nothing like that appeared, and since I didn't know what else to look for, the experiment looks like a bust.

When you were looking at Ibiza, could you also see Formentera (I think that's the smaller island just south of Ibiza)? If so, why didn't you mention it? If you looked but couldn't see it, why do you think this happened? If you didn't look for it, why not?

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I don't know why I am writing this as everyone in this thread is only mocking me and ridiculing everything I say.
This is my last thread that I will encourage people to do their own long-distance observations.
We mock you because you go on and on about 60X spotting scopes as if they are the only way to tell anything about the shape of the earth. It's one thing to have an idea how to do something like this, but ridiculous to believe it's the only way to accomplish it.

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I really don't care what you do or believe.
More than 330 posts in 20 days suggests otherwise.

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I will now focus on more observations in the mountains and on the land when I'm going to a different country.
That's a good thing to do, but you might plan some experiments first. I'd suggest you identify objects you expect to be visible and not visible from a given location (from location X, I should be able to see mountain Y but not mountain Z, at about the same distance) and seeing how well your observations fit the predictions. Repeat under different weather conditions (early morning and late afternoon, for instance), if possible, and note the differences.

Just looking at stuff, without a clear idea of what you're doing, doesn't make a very convincing case. Enjoy your travels.

[Edit] fix typo.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2015, 11:44:29 AM by Alpha2Omega »
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Tom

Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2015, 12:27:49 PM »
Tom, why are you so stuck on the notion that long distance spotting is the only way to determine the Earth's shape?

When I first came on the site, I was curious about the discussion. Why on earth would people think that the earth was not round?
After awhile, I discovered that RE- as well as FE-models are based on assumptions.

Several FE-people did their own long-distance observations. They did that for a reason. They are not stupid. If you think they are, probably you are more stupid and very arrogant.

So, observing is the thing to do. Then, you have to know more about calculating the horizons at different heights, refraction and superior mirages (as opposed to inferior mirages). Superior mirages only happen when the surface is cold and there is warm air above it. No chance you have this in Spain in summer.

So, I bought a spotting scope and did quite a few observations on 5 days.
Yesterday when I was looking there was an extreme clear moment. I could see the island Ibiza from the beach, near the harbour, in Altea. And I saw several ships far far away.
It was amazing.
A few minutes later when I was looking at a different spot, the vision was less clear and I could look at ships about 25 km away and at a different harbour, 6 km away. I saw the bottom of small boats and people water skying.

On five days I didn't see a curvature of the earth.
Observing is good, but if you aren't sure what you're looking for how can you tell if you've seen it or not?

For instance, I read in the "Moonlight" thread that exposure to "the Strawberry Moon" could have bad effects, but even after asking, couldn't get any details about what the effects were. After being out in the moonlight that evening, I didn't notice any ill effects, but maybe there were some and I didn't realize it, or I wasn't exposed long enough; it was a nice enough evening, but getting a little chilly in shorts and a T-shirt, so I didn't stay outside all that long - a little less than 30 minutes. Since the inflamed skin from a moderate scrape is sometimes called a "strawberry", I thought I might get a mild rash, but nothing like that appeared, and since I didn't know what else to look for, the experiment looks like a bust.

When you were looking at Ibiza, could you also see Formentera (I think that's the smaller island just south of Ibiza)? If so, why didn't you mention it? If you looked but couldn't see it, why do you think this happened? If you didn't look for it, why not?

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I don't know why I am writing this as everyone in this thread is only mocking me and ridiculing everything I say.
This is my last thread that I will encourage people to do their own long-distance observations.
We mock you because you go on and on about 60X spotting scopes as if they are the only way to tell anything about the shape of the earth. It's one thing to have an idea how to do something like this, but ridiculous to believe it's the only way to accomplish it.

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I really don't care what you do or believe.
More than 330 posts in 20 days suggests otherwise.

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I will now focus on more observations in the mountains and on the land when I'm going to a different country.
That's a good thing to do, but you might plan some experiments first. I'd suggest you identify objects you expect to be visible and not visible from a given location (from location X, I should be able to see mountain Y but not mountain Z, at about the same distance) and seeing how well your observations fit the predictions. Repeat under different weather conditions (early morning and late afternoon, for instance), if possible, and note the differences.

Just looking at stuff, without a clear idea of what you're doing, doesn't make a very convincing case. Enjoy your travels.

[Edit] fix typo.

Next time I will do it exactly the way you would do it.

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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2015, 03:05:43 PM »
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Don't believe other people's videos, mister. If you really want to do the ultimate 'litmus test', you will do and only trust your own several long-distance observations with a spotting scope.
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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2015, 03:09:31 PM »


Don't believe other people's videos, mister. If you really want to do the ultimate 'litmus test', you will do and only trust your own several long-distance observations with a spotting scope.

Can I use my 100x telescope? Because... that's what I have been using, and its uh... proven the world matches the heliocentric model and a round, spinning earth.
I have 13 [academic qualifications] actually. I'll leave it up to you to guess which, or simply call me a  liar. Either is fine.

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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2015, 03:10:31 PM »
When I first came on the site, I was curious about the discussion. Why on earth would people think that the earth was not round?
After awhile, I discovered that RE- as well as FE-models are based on assumptions.

The only assumption round Earth is based off of is that there is not a massive conspiracy employing over 10% of the world's population bent on hiding the shape of the Earth for no apparent reason and that's as much of an assumption as my belief that unicorns don't exist.

Several FE-people did their own long-distance observations. They did that for a reason. They are not stupid. If you think they are, probably you are more stupid and very arrogant.

99% of flat earthers I have seen don't know how to properly calculate horizon distance on a round Earth.  most flat Earth proofs can be easily debunked if you know enough about how a round Earth works.

I will now focus on more observations in the mountains and on the land when I'm going to a different country.

If you are traveling on a plane you could try using a level or something to see if the horizon is at eye level.  I have done the math and on a round Earth it should be about 3 degrees below eye level at that height.
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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2015, 03:13:28 PM »
Out of curiosity Tom, what other areas do you insist on having personal observation (but only a single specific type of observation) before making a decision?

The woman I will have sex with.

Do you use a spotting scope?

Yes, to see if there is enough curvature.
I prefer to use my sense of touch over my sense of sight in these matters.

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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2015, 03:14:32 PM »
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Don't believe other people's videos, mister. If you really want to do the ultimate 'litmus test', you will do and only trust your own several long-distance observations with a spotting scope.
Why should I trust you? I have seen ships sink through a telescope.
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Tom

Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2015, 03:16:10 PM »
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Don't believe other people's videos, mister. If you really want to do the ultimate 'litmus test', you will do and only trust your own several long-distance observations with a spotting scope.
Why should I trust you? I have seen ships sink through a telescope.

Good for you.

I only trust my own observations.

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Tom

Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2015, 03:18:30 PM »
When I first came on the site, I was curious about the discussion. Why on earth would people think that the earth was not round?
After awhile, I discovered that RE- as well as FE-models are based on assumptions.

The only assumption round Earth is based off of is that there is not a massive conspiracy employing over 10% of the world's population bent on hiding the shape of the Earth for no apparent reason and that's as much of an assumption as my belief that unicorns don't exist.

Several FE-people did their own long-distance observations. They did that for a reason. They are not stupid. If you think they are, probably you are more stupid and very arrogant.

99% of flat earthers I have seen don't know how to properly calculate horizon distance on a round Earth.  most flat Earth proofs can be easily debunked if you know enough about how a round Earth works.

I will now focus on more observations in the mountains and on the land when I'm going to a different country.

If you are traveling on a plane you could try using a level or something to see if the horizon is at eye level.  I have done the math and on a round Earth it should be about 3 degrees below eye level at that height.

When you are unbiased and not so stuck on RE-science (not so knowledgable and one-sided like most people here) observing is the thing to do. In my opinion it is the ultimate 'litmus test' so to speak.

You will never do that. Nobody who answered in this thread will do that. That's fine with me.

It's time to say goodbye. Good luck in your endeavours.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2015, 03:21:13 PM by Tom »

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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #45 on: June 05, 2015, 03:26:50 PM »
I only trust my own observations.

If you trust only that which you can observe and verify yourself, then that's your choice, but it's paranoia: there's very little you can conclude about anythig, based on that. Did you build your spotting scope yourself, or are you just taking someone's word for it that it does what they say?

Everyone here has done their own observations and reached their own conclusions: those conclusions may be "I have observed no evidence of the kind and scale of conspiracy required." That's still enough. A conclusion is still reasonable even if it doesn't involve a spotting scope.
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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #46 on: June 05, 2015, 03:29:28 PM »
I only trust my own observations.

If you trust only that which you can observe and verify yourself, then that's your choice, but it's paranoia: there's very little you can conclude about anythig, based on that. Did you build your spotting scope yourself, or are you just taking someone's word for it that it does what they say?

Everyone here has done their own observations and reached their own conclusions: those conclusions may be "I have observed no evidence of the kind and scale of conspiracy required." That's still enough. A conclusion is still reasonable even if it doesn't involve a spotting scope.
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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #47 on: June 05, 2015, 06:37:58 PM »
So Tom, what about those of us that have done experiments?  Are you still holding the position that no one that believes the Earth is a spheroid does experiments for themselves?
I have seen you make this claim a couple of times with no retraction ever made.
What about those experiments?  What about life experiences that completely contradict flat Earth hypotheses?
I have given a few.  Is it your position that these, or similar experiences and experimental data given by others, are lies?

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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #48 on: June 05, 2015, 07:39:02 PM »
So Tom, what about those of us that have done experiments?  Are you still holding the position that no one that believes the Earth is a spheroid does experiments for themselves?
I have seen you make this claim a couple of times with no retraction ever made.
What about those experiments?  What about life experiences that completely contradict flat Earth hypotheses?
I have given a few.  Is it your position that these, or similar experiences and experimental data given by others, are lies?

You are confused.....until you have used a 60x spotting scope you cannot trust your eyes...........Tom is right.......only use a 60x spotting scope instead of trusting your eyes.

Have you triangulated satellites using a 60X spotting scope. No......all your experiences are invalid......you must repeat your life using only a 60x spotting scope for all observations

Tom is wise......we are all very naive......he is now our leader.....we can only stand and gaze in awe and be greatful to the changes our 60x spotting scopes will bring to our lives

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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #49 on: June 05, 2015, 08:57:15 PM »
You are forgetting the most simple aspect of research. Going in the field and see with your own eyes with a 60x spotting scope if objects at different distances are disappearing/sinking behind the calculated horizon. How difficult is that?

Your research is not complete without this simple experiment.
Did it.

Same conditions and distance from two different elevations.

Looks round.  Now what?

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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #50 on: June 05, 2015, 09:36:25 PM »
You are forgetting the most simple aspect of research. Going in the field and see with your own eyes with a 60x spotting scope if objects at different distances are disappearing/sinking behind the calculated horizon. How difficult is that?

Your research is not complete without this simple experiment.
Did it.

Same conditions and distance from two different elevations.

Looks round.  Now what?


Can you account for why the clairity of your very distance picture is identical to the near picture?   Please make sure you use x60 spotting scope

Edit, Ah wait a minute.....it is the same distance just different elevation......
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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #51 on: June 05, 2015, 09:39:14 PM »
Can you account for why the clairity of your very distance picture is identical to the near picturer picture?   Please make sure you use x60 spotting scope

He said that his elevation changes, not his distance.
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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #52 on: June 05, 2015, 09:42:28 PM »
Can you account for why the clairity of your very distance picture is identical to the near picturer picture?   Please make sure you use x60 spotting scope

He said that his elevation changes, not his distance.

Yes i just noticed that but still dont get what i am supposed to be noticing:-(   Both pictures are taken from below the level of the road deck.
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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #53 on: June 05, 2015, 10:52:28 PM »
Can you account for why the clairity of your very distance picture is identical to the near picturer picture?   Please make sure you use x60 spotting scope

He said that his elevation changes, not his distance.

Yes i just noticed that but still dont get what i am supposed to be noticing:-(   Both pictures are taken from below the level of the road deck.

Look at the areas that the yellow arows are pointing to in both photos.
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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #54 on: June 05, 2015, 11:24:40 PM »
Can you account for why the clairity of your very distance picture is identical to the near picturer picture?   Please make sure you use x60 spotting scope

He said that his elevation changes, not his distance.

Yes i just noticed that but still dont get what i am supposed to be noticing:-(   Both pictures are taken from below the level of the road deck.

Look at the areas that the yellow arows are pointing to in both photos.

Are you looking at the angle of the objects or their heights?  The right picture needs to be enlarged to make a comparison between the two pictures.

Why are the pictures showing different size objects when it appears they are taken from almost the same height going by the angle the trees form with the curved suspension ropes and the view of the underside of the deck being the same on both pictures?

I need a bit of help to understand what i am supposed to be looking for
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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #55 on: June 06, 2015, 07:31:11 AM »
Are you looking at the angle of the objects or their heights?  The right picture needs to be enlarged to make a comparison between the two pictures.

Why are the pictures showing different size objects when it appears they are taken from almost the same height going by the angle the trees form with the curved suspension ropes and the view of the underside of the deck being the same on both pictures?

I need a bit of help to understand what i am supposed to be looking for
I need to insert the description into the image or just keep a txt file handy.

The image on the left was shot from an elevation of around 18 feet.  The image on the right was shot from an elevation of about 6 inches.  The bridge is 9 miles away and the hillside/buildings are 12 miles.  Everything is 'sinking' below the horizon/waterline in the low elevation shot, indicating to me Earth is round.  The arrows are pointing at features that are still visible, yet compressed, due to the conditions that day being favorable for a superior mirage (or refraction- I pointed them out for a discussion in the past where refraction was in doubt by certain people).

Also, it's not really the underside of the bridge deck you're seeing (well, technically you are), there are actually two bridges side by side.  Notice the other bridge tower partially visible behind the other.  Tacoma Narrows bridge if anyone is curious.

There is also a faint bit of horizontal variation, but it's due to not having the camera aligned exactly the same with the spotting scope each time.  Before that casts doubt, the multitude of pictures I took, both with or without the scope or the binoculars I also used, with varied levels of magnification, all showed the same result, as did simply looking through the scope with no camera.

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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #56 on: June 06, 2015, 02:12:12 PM »
Are you looking at the angle of the objects or their heights?  The right picture needs to be enlarged to make a comparison between the two pictures.

Why are the pictures showing different size objects when it appears they are taken from almost the same height going by the angle the trees form with the curved suspension ropes and the view of the underside of the deck being the same on both pictures?

I need a bit of help to understand what i am supposed to be looking for
I need to insert the description into the image or just keep a txt file handy.

The image on the left was shot from an elevation of around 18 feet.  The image on the right was shot from an elevation of about 6 inches.  The bridge is 9 miles away and the hillside/buildings are 12 miles.  Everything is 'sinking' below the horizon/waterline in the low elevation shot, indicating to me Earth is round.  The arrows are pointing at features that are still visible, yet compressed, due to the conditions that day being favorable for a superior mirage (or refraction- I pointed them out for a discussion in the past where refraction was in doubt by certain people).

Also, it's not really the underside of the bridge deck you're seeing (well, technically you are), there are actually two bridges side by side.  Notice the other bridge tower partially visible behind the other.  Tacoma Narrows bridge if anyone is curious.

There is also a faint bit of horizontal variation, but it's due to not having the camera aligned exactly the same with the spotting scope each time.  Before that casts doubt, the multitude of pictures I took, both with or without the scope or the binoculars I also used, with varied levels of magnification, all showed the same result, as did simply looking through the scope with no camera.

Your memory must be letting you down.   I cannot believe the picture on the right was taken from only 6 inches above those waves.   You are using considerable magnification and the camera is fairly obviously many feet above those waves.  You are looking down on the waves as far as the eye can see the waves.

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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #57 on: June 06, 2015, 02:20:58 PM »
So Tom, what about those of us that have done experiments?  Are you still holding the position that no one that believes the Earth is a spheroid does experiments for themselves?
I have seen you make this claim a couple of times with no retraction ever made.
What about those experiments?  What about life experiences that completely contradict flat Earth hypotheses?
I have given a few.  Is it your position that these, or similar experiences and experimental data given by others, are lies?

You are confused.....until you have used a 60x spotting scope you cannot trust your eyes...........Tom is right.......only use a 60x spotting scope instead of trusting your eyes.

Have you triangulated satellites using a 60X spotting scope. No......all your experiences are invalid......you must repeat your life using only a 60x spotting scope for all observations

Tom is wise......we are all very naive......he is now our leader.....we can only stand and gaze in awe and be greatful to the changes our 60x spotting scopes will bring to our lives
I guess you are right, I had borrowed a pair of 160X binoculars to do the sailboat experiment, not a 60X spotting scope.  I also used math to triangulate the satellite orbits, but no 60X spotting scope.  I guess I have to redo all te experiments again.  Can someone point me to a 60X spotting scope cheap?  I thought using my buddies expensive Sunagor binoculars would have been decent enough, but I see now I was wrong then.  The binoculars must be in on the conspiracy.

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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #58 on: June 06, 2015, 04:56:51 PM »
Your memory must be letting you down.   I cannot believe the picture on the right was taken from only 6 inches above those waves.   You are using considerable magnification and the camera is fairly obviously many feet above those waves.  You are looking down on the waves as far as the eye can see the waves.

The water was very calm at that location.  The waves were only a couple inches.  Perhaps I should have emphasized on the word "about", as I didn't use a ruler, so it may have been 6 1/2 inches with 7 inches not being out of the question.  Perhaps 7 9/16?  There is the faint chance my memory is starting to go and it really was 8 inches.  In any case, it was not "many feet".

If it makes you feel better...

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Re: Your research is not complete; do your own field research
« Reply #59 on: June 06, 2015, 08:58:00 PM »
Your memory must be letting you down.   I cannot believe the picture on the right was taken from only 6 inches above those waves.   You are using considerable magnification and the camera is fairly obviously many feet above those waves.  You are looking down on the waves as far as the eye can see the waves.

The water was very calm at that location.  The waves were only a couple inches.  Perhaps I should have emphasized on the word "about", as I didn't use a ruler, so it may have been 6 1/2 inches with 7 inches not being out of the question.  Perhaps 7 9/16?  There is the faint chance my memory is starting to go and it really was 8 inches.  In any case, it was not "many feet".

If it makes you feel better...


I will have to take a picture locally and compare to believe it.    I will report back.

Thanks