Tourists at South Pole

Quote from: charles bloomington on May 16, 2015, 03:56:55 PM

Quote from: Mikey T Lovzballs on May 16, 2015, 01:04:06 PM

charles, just stop.  If you cannot form anything into coherent refutations of a topic and have to resort to a children's game of insults to make yourself feel better, just go ahead and remain quiet.

Next I give you charles' dance of being angry at me and trying to make himself feel better.  Go ahead charles you can dance now, or be silent, your choice.

Mikey dont make threats. Thats just being plain silly ,when you dont now how ferocious a person may become. If Aliveandkicking is going to dish it out .Then whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

In what way was that a threat?  Do you have a reading comprehension problem also?  I told you to stop just jumping in with the child like attitude of throwing insults around.  Are you that deluded to think that you are even important enough for me to waste my energy on?  I admit, I got a little carried away a week or so ago during the whole racist stuff going on, and I took a few days off to clear my head. 
You however are nothing more than an insignificant moron who thinks he can throw out insults and not get called out on it. 
So if you felt threatened for that comment, I shudder to think what you would do if I actually did decide to screw with you much.  You must be very insecure to think that that was a threat.  You are so predictable that it doesn't even rate as fun honestly.  Same shit, different response.  So lets try to do something productive and add to the conversation.

I have a question, so in this article, I am guessing they are referring to the first tourist because no one usually goes to Antarctica other than for work or research purposes.  Rather it really isn't a big tourist destination.  Some people go to do research, so go to maintain the bases used for research, some go to supply those bases, but these are actual tour guides that you can book just to go and not have another purpose?
The problem with the whole its some random ice desert elsewhere and not the south pole makes little sense due to a few factors. 
First the place you leave from to get there, the length of time to make that trip, hence the distance from that origin to the destination. 
Second the fact that during the Southern hemisphere's summer the sun would be above the horizon in some parts of Antarctica 24 hours a day.  Knowing that you didn't time warp from the day you left to 6 months in the future in the North pole area, and didn't time warp back at the end of the tour (people are pretty attentive to what day it is normally, at least what week it is).  They leave on a tour of Antarctica, they plan it for a certain time frame, and they return at the end usually pretty damn close to when they expected to be back.  So how do we explain the midnight sun in Antarctica when its dark in the North pole areas at the same time?
Third people paying this much money, which is a lot for the average person, would definitely notice irregularities.  If you have ever paid to go on a trip, I am sure if you are told it will be 3 hours to reach your destination, you will be watching the time.  If you are told you are traveling a certain direction, there will be a few intelligent people watching things like what direction the sun is and what apparent direction you are traveling.  If you have never been to this place, and you paid a good deal of money to go, I would bet you would be watching out the window and doing some sightseeing. 
People in general are inquisitive and many are distrusting.  So especially on some sort of sightseeing tour to a place where not many people have gone, I am sure they will be more alert and attentive.  It is a bit dangerous also.  Who is gonna save your ass if your plane crashes halfway between the South pole and the base you left from on the coastline.  Who is gonna save your ass if you crash into the ocean between the orgin and the base on the coast.  I'm relatively positive there would be quite a few people alert and attentive due to that alone.

Are you a tour guide or are you just making shit up?

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on May 17, 2015, 02:44:32 AM

Quote from: tappet on May 16, 2015, 03:07:52 PM

I worked as a tour guide for many years in remote areas.
I talked shit, the tourist just loves to swallow shit.
Tourism is about making money, not about being truth full.
If you want to captivate the naïve tourist tell them some bullshit story of how we are destroying your planet.
You can even bring tears to eyes.

I've never seen anyone buy any of your bullshit on these forums, so I'm not convinced anyone would buy it in real life.

Why don't you take us through how you would fool a bunch of people with GPS, compasses and eyes that they were at the South Pole when they were really somewhere else.  How would you pull off this grand illusion?

I don't know how to pull off a grand illusion at the south pole

So what are you going on about then?

Quote from: tappet on May 17, 2015, 03:13:35 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on May 17, 2015, 02:44:32 AM

Quote from: tappet on May 16, 2015, 03:07:52 PM

I worked as a tour guide for many years in remote areas.
I talked shit, the tourist just loves to swallow shit.
Tourism is about making money, not about being truth full.
If you want to captivate the naïve tourist tell them some bullshit story of how we are destroying your planet.
You can even bring tears to eyes.

I've never seen anyone buy any of your bullshit on these forums, so I'm not convinced anyone would buy it in real life.

Why don't you take us through how you would fool a bunch of people with GPS, compasses and eyes that they were at the South Pole when they were really somewhere else.  How would you pull off this grand illusion?

I don't know how to pull off a grand illusion at the south pole

So what are you going on about then?

Yeh your right. All tourism is factual, peer reviewed and tour guides are qualified with no less than a door bell prize to talk shit.
Wake up. For the tour guide its all about money. Give me some money and I will get you to the moon.
Honest!

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on May 17, 2015, 03:22:22 AM

Quote from: tappet on May 17, 2015, 03:13:35 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on May 17, 2015, 02:44:32 AM

Quote from: tappet on May 16, 2015, 03:07:52 PM

I worked as a tour guide for many years in remote areas.
I talked shit, the tourist just loves to swallow shit.
Tourism is about making money, not about being truth full.
If you want to captivate the naïve tourist tell them some bullshit story of how we are destroying your planet.
You can even bring tears to eyes.

I've never seen anyone buy any of your bullshit on these forums, so I'm not convinced anyone would buy it in real life.

Why don't you take us through how you would fool a bunch of people with GPS, compasses and eyes that they were at the South Pole when they were really somewhere else.  How would you pull off this grand illusion?

I don't know how to pull off a grand illusion at the south pole

So what are you going on about then?

Yeh your right. All tourism is factual, peer reviewed and tour guides are qualified with no less than a door bell prize to talk shit.
Wake up. For the tour guide its all about money. Give me some money and I will get you to the moon.
Honest!

What are you rambling on about?  Where have I said "All tourism is factual, peer reviewed and tour guides are qualified with no less than a door bell prize to talk shit."?

You seem to be arguing with yourself.

Here's my question, and what the OP was originally asking:

Why don't you take us through how you would fool a bunch of people with GPS, compasses and eyes that they were at the South Pole when they were really somewhere else.  How would you pull off this grand illusion?

Quote from: Mikey T Lovzballs on May 16, 2015, 05:38:44 PM

Quote from: charles bloomington on May 16, 2015, 03:56:55 PM

Quote from: Mikey T Lovzballs on May 16, 2015, 01:04:06 PM

charles, just stop.  If you cannot form anything into coherent refutations of a topic and have to resort to a children's game of insults to make yourself feel better, just go ahead and remain quiet.

Next I give you charles' dance of being angry at me and trying to make himself feel better.  Go ahead charles you can dance now, or be silent, your choice.

Mikey dont make threats. Thats just being plain silly ,when you dont now how ferocious a person may become. If Aliveandkicking is going to dish it out .Then whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

In what way was that a threat?  Do you have a reading comprehension problem also?  I told you to stop just jumping in with the child like attitude of throwing insults around.  Are you that deluded to think that you are even important enough for me to waste my energy on?  I admit, I got a little carried away a week or so ago during the whole racist stuff going on, and I took a few days off to clear my head. 
You however are nothing more than an insignificant moron who thinks he can throw out insults and not get called out on it. 
So if you felt threatened for that comment, I shudder to think what you would do if I actually did decide to screw with you much.  You must be very insecure to think that that was a threat.  You are so predictable that it doesn't even rate as fun honestly.  Same shit, different response.  So lets try to do something productive and add to the conversation.

I have a question, so in this article, I am guessing they are referring to the first tourist because no one usually goes to Antarctica other than for work or research purposes.  Rather it really isn't a big tourist destination.  Some people go to do research, so go to maintain the bases used for research, some go to supply those bases, but these are actual tour guides that you can book just to go and not have another purpose?
The problem with the whole its some random ice desert elsewhere and not the south pole makes little sense due to a few factors. 
First the place you leave from to get there, the length of time to make that trip, hence the distance from that origin to the destination. 
Second the fact that during the Southern hemisphere's summer the sun would be above the horizon in some parts of Antarctica 24 hours a day.  Knowing that you didn't time warp from the day you left to 6 months in the future in the North pole area, and didn't time warp back at the end of the tour (people are pretty attentive to what day it is normally, at least what week it is).  They leave on a tour of Antarctica, they plan it for a certain time frame, and they return at the end usually pretty damn close to when they expected to be back.  So how do we explain the midnight sun in Antarctica when its dark in the North pole areas at the same time?
Third people paying this much money, which is a lot for the average person, would definitely notice irregularities.  If you have ever paid to go on a trip, I am sure if you are told it will be 3 hours to reach your destination, you will be watching the time.  If you are told you are traveling a certain direction, there will be a few intelligent people watching things like what direction the sun is and what apparent direction you are traveling.  If you have never been to this place, and you paid a good deal of money to go, I would bet you would be watching out the window and doing some sightseeing. 
People in general are inquisitive and many are distrusting.  So especially on some sort of sightseeing tour to a place where not many people have gone, I am sure they will be more alert and attentive.  It is a bit dangerous also.  Who is gonna save your ass if your plane crashes halfway between the South pole and the base you left from on the coastline.  Who is gonna save your ass if you crash into the ocean between the orgin and the base on the coast.  I'm relatively positive there would be quite a few people alert and attentive due to that alone.

Are you a tour guide or are you just making shit up?

In that entire post did I claim to, or ever even allude to being a tour guide?  Nope.  I have done a somewhat similar job when I was a teenager as a whitewater rafting guide down the Nantahala River when we lived in North Carolina.  Its a baby of a whitewater river all geared for tourists.  I did make it a tour of sorts telling my customers facts and the history of the people along the river as we went down it.  I never assumed my customers were naive and never tried to dupe them with obvious lies, I never told them they were on a different river.

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on May 16, 2015, 05:12:49 PM

Quote from: tappet on May 16, 2015, 03:07:52 PM

I worked as a tour guide for many years in remote areas.
I talked shit, the tourist just loves to swallow shit.
Tourism is about making money, not about being truth full.
If you want to captivate the naïve tourist tell them some bullshit story of how we are destroying your planet.
You can even bring tears to eyes.

You're bragging about telling people whatever you think you can get away with, whether it's true or not.

Noted. Thanks for the candor.

No, its carrots and sticks dumbass.
You are told what to say and do it or you don't keep your job.

Whatever the reason, thanks for the notice about how good you are at lying. Carry on.

Sorry boys, South Pole tourism don't mean shit.
Hey but don't let me ruin ya fantasy holidays.
The tour guide on any tour has a round world of info just for you.

Yep, bury your head in the sand again tappet, just throw out and/or try to discredit anything that doesn't fit in your limited world view. 
Or you could try the strawman trolling again, it doesn't matter, your comments are still not important when you do that.

Yep, bury your head in the sand again tappet, just throw out and/or try to discredit anything that doesn't fit in your limited world view. 
Or you could try the strawman trolling again, it doesn't matter, your comments are still not important when you do that.

Whats your problem?
Tourism is bullshit guides do it to make money. No money no tour.
Don't try and make out it proves existence of something.

My problem is your straw man trolling.  No one is claiming that tourism isn't a money making business.  I have claimed that people, who spend a good deal of money on something are not stupid enough to not pay attention to things that cannot possibly work on a flat Earth model.
Yet you want to change it to a discussion about the tour guide lying to people. 
You have not even attempted to address the things that someone on that tour would see that would completely break flat Earth notions.  Nope you use straw man troll tactics to deflect it away.  Trying to pick some weak point of the argument to invalidate everything since you cannot actually debate the facts.

My problem is your straw man trolling.  No one is claiming that tourism isn't a money making business.  I have claimed that people, who spend a good deal of money on something are not stupid enough to not pay attention to things that cannot possibly work on a flat Earth model.
Yet you want to change it to a discussion about the tour guide lying to people. 
You have not even attempted to address the things that someone on that tour would see that would completely break flat Earth notions.  Nope you use straw man troll tactics to deflect it away.  Trying to pick some weak point of the argument to invalidate everything since you cannot actually debate the facts.

The tour guide is not lying, he does not even know he is bullshitting. You must be young and naïve.
Unless I go on a guided tour to the south pole I will not know how it operates.
Unless you have been on that tour you have no right to claim it proves south pole existence.

Quote from: Mikey T Lovzballs on May 17, 2015, 02:44:33 PM

Yep, bury your head in the sand again tappet, just throw out and/or try to discredit anything that doesn't fit in your limited world view. 
Or you could try the strawman trolling again, it doesn't matter, your comments are still not important when you do that.

Whats your problem?
Tourism is bullshit guides do it to make money. No money no tour.
Don't try and make out it proves existence of something.

Yeah, we get it. You're proud of how good you were as a lying tour guide. Maybe you're lying about how good you were as a liar, and... well, let's not go there. It gets pretty meta. I'll take you at your word that you are an excellent liar, because there is no good reason to lie about that.

But, maybe, just maybe, not all tours are so bogus that the guides are required to lie. Maybe, just maybe, some tourists know enough about what's being seen to recognize that the guide is lying (or perhaps more often, mistaken); that does happen. A lot.

Anyway, it sounds like you were working for an outfit that suited your particular skillset and you earned bragging rights about how good you are at it. I hope it worked out for ya'.

Quote from: tappet on May 17, 2015, 02:50:49 PM

Quote from: Mikey T Lovzballs on May 17, 2015, 02:44:33 PM

Yep, bury your head in the sand again tappet, just throw out and/or try to discredit anything that doesn't fit in your limited world view. 
Or you could try the strawman trolling again, it doesn't matter, your comments are still not important when you do that.

Whats your problem?
Tourism is bullshit guides do it to make money. No money no tour.
Don't try and make out it proves existence of something.

Yeah, we get it. You're proud of how good you were as a lying tour guide. Maybe you're lying about how good you were as a liar, and... well, let's not go there. It gets pretty meta. I'll take you at your word that you are an excellent liar, because there is no good reason to lie about that.

But, maybe, just maybe, not all tours are so bogus that the guides are required to lie. Maybe, just maybe, some tourists know enough about what's being seen to recognize that the guide is lying (or perhaps more often, mistaken); that does happen. A lot.

Anyway, it sounds like you were working for an outfit that suited your particular skillset and you earned bragging rights about how good you are at it. I hope it worked out for ya'.

Aw gee you hurt my feelings.
So don't claim tourism is proof of anything because obviously some guides according to you lie.
And some according to me are unknowingly bullshitting.

Quote from: Mikey T Lovzballs on May 17, 2015, 02:56:17 PM

My problem is your straw man trolling.  No one is claiming that tourism isn't a money making business.  I have claimed that people, who spend a good deal of money on something are not stupid enough to not pay attention to things that cannot possibly work on a flat Earth model.
Yet you want to change it to a discussion about the tour guide lying to people. 
You have not even attempted to address the things that someone on that tour would see that would completely break flat Earth notions.  Nope you use straw man troll tactics to deflect it away.  Trying to pick some weak point of the argument to invalidate everything since you cannot actually debate the facts.

The tour guide is not lying, he does not even know he is bullshitting. You must be young and naïve.
Unless I go on a guided tour to the south pole I will not know how it operates.
Unless you have been on that tour you have no right to claim it proves south pole existence.

No I can claim the South pole exists, I have every right to since I do know people personally that have been there.  People I have every reason to trust, since a couple were family and they provided pictures of their time there.  I have no reason to distrust everything someone else says simply because I am so deluded to think that everyone lies who doesn't share my views.  I also do not just ignore anything that doesn't agree with my viewpoint.  I have been wrong about things in the past, and after seeing evidence to that incorrectness, I changed my viewpoints on that subject.  This is what rational people do.  They do not try to straw man everything to just feel like they can outdo someone.  I have new for you, you are not a rebel hero fighting against the shadow government to get out the information that they are hiding.

You also did not, once again I might add, address the things that tourist would see that absolutely destroys all notion of a flat Earth. 
You brought it back to a lying or in this case a lied to tour guide, then you decided to pull out the naive comment thinking you could feel better about yourself by brushing up against an insult towards me.  So you like the straw man troll tactics, we all know this, your insecurities show by your insults when you can't win an argument.  You have nothing to add to really any thread I have ever seen you be a part of.  So you go into the group with scepti, charles and JRowe for now.

Quote from: tappet on May 17, 2015, 03:09:55 PM

Quote from: Mikey T Lovzballs on May 17, 2015, 02:56:17 PM

My problem is your straw man trolling.  No one is claiming that tourism isn't a money making business.  I have claimed that people, who spend a good deal of money on something are not stupid enough to not pay attention to things that cannot possibly work on a flat Earth model.
Yet you want to change it to a discussion about the tour guide lying to people. 
You have not even attempted to address the things that someone on that tour would see that would completely break flat Earth notions.  Nope you use straw man troll tactics to deflect it away.  Trying to pick some weak point of the argument to invalidate everything since you cannot actually debate the facts.

The tour guide is not lying, he does not even know he is bullshitting. You must be young and naïve.
Unless I go on a guided tour to the south pole I will not know how it operates.
Unless you have been on that tour you have no right to claim it proves south pole existence.

No I can claim the South pole exists, I have every right to since I do know people personally that have been there.  People I have every reason to trust, since a couple were family and they provided pictures of their time there.  I have no reason to distrust everything someone else says simply because I am so deluded to think that everyone lies who doesn't share my views.  I also do not just ignore anything that doesn't agree with my viewpoint.  I have been wrong about things in the past, and after seeing evidence to that incorrectness, I changed my viewpoints on that subject.  This is what rational people do.  They do not try to straw man everything to just feel like they can outdo someone.  I have new for you, you are not a rebel hero fighting against the shadow government to get out the information that they are hiding.

You also did not, once again I might add, address the things that tourist would see that absolutely destroys all notion of a flat Earth. 
You brought it back to a lying or in this case a lied to tour guide, then you decided to pull out the naive comment thinking you could feel better about yourself by brushing up against an insult towards me.  So you like the straw man troll tactics, we all know this, your insecurities show by your insults when you can't win an argument.  You have nothing to add to really any thread I have ever seen you be a part of.  So you go into the group with scepti, charles and JRowe for now.

Another RE tactic, "shadow government hiding information" no strawman?
Listen, my ex wifes brother in law has a friend who knows this family that are really honest, and they say this rich old guy went to the south pole on a tour and he reckoned it was the real deal. But  I still do not believe it.

Aw gee you hurt my feelings.
So don't claim tourism is proof of anything because obviously some guides according to you lie.
And some according to me are unknowingly bullshitting.

Dude, don't get whiny. You were the one bragging about working for some outfit that required bullshitting and being untruthful and how good you were at it. Yeah, here it is:

I worked as a tour guide for many years in remote areas.
I talked shit, the tourist just loves to swallow shit.
Tourism is about making money, not about being truth full.
If you want to captivate the naïve tourist tell them some bullshit story of how we are destroying your planet.
You can even bring tears to eyes.

Followed by:

No, its carrots and sticks dumbass.
You are told what to say and do it or you don't keep your job.

Is "tell them some bullshit story" and "[it's] about making money, not about being truth full" not lying? Please explain.

"They made me do it or I'd lose my job" doesn't sound naïve and unknowing. It sounds dishonest.

Anyway, we know where you're coming from. You'll say whatever is expedient, regardless of its truthfulness. Most of us already knew that, but it was good of you to be up front about it.

Quote from: tappet on May 17, 2015, 03:18:26 PM

Aw gee you hurt my feelings.
So don't claim tourism is proof of anything because obviously some guides according to you lie.
And some according to me are unknowingly bullshitting.

Dude, don't get whiny. You were the one bragging about working for some outfit that required bullshitting and being untruthful and how good you were at it. Yeah, here it is:

Quote from: tappet on May 16, 2015, 03:07:52 PM

I worked as a tour guide for many years in remote areas.
I talked shit, the tourist just loves to swallow shit.
Tourism is about making money, not about being truth full.
If you want to captivate the naïve tourist tell them some bullshit story of how we are destroying your planet.
You can even bring tears to eyes.

Followed by:

Quote from: tappet on May 17, 2015, 01:55:39 AM

No, its carrots and sticks dumbass.
You are told what to say and do it or you don't keep your job.

Is "tell them some bullshit story" and "[it's] about making money, not about being truth full" not lying? Please explain.

"They made me do it or I'd lose my job" doesn't sound naïve and unknowing. It sounds dishonest.

Anyway, we know where you're coming from. You'll say whatever is expedient, regardless of its truthfulness. Most of us already knew that, but it was good of you to be up front about it.

Well there you go, just goes to show you cant trust tour guides.
Wanna go to the South Pole with me? I will do you special two for one deal?
I will take you to the exact spot Admiral Byrde landed, honest. No lies this time.

Yeah, you are most definitely using straw man tactics.  You are now bringing up and blatantly misstating what I actually said.  Now you are trying to tie it to some family friend of a friend did this statement which is not what I said.  Are you scepti?  He tried this before when I described who all was on the trip to Chile with me when we climbed higher than he said was possible by humans.  I had explained why we did not summit this particular mountain, was because of my father having difficulties with properly using his backup air and we had to decend.  He tried using this same stupid comment on me then.  So you must be an alt of scepti then.
Straw man tactics are taking a small part, misstating it, to discredit the entire argument.  It isn't going to work this time.  You have nothing to add once again.
I guess I will have to start teaching you guys what these fallacy argument types really are.  You seem to really not understand them.

You said the tour guide was lied to so he/she didn't know they were lying to the people on the trip.  Who lied to the tour guide?  Well since it is the position of the flat Earth notion that the government is conspiring to hide this supposed truth from you then the lie had to originate there.  Hence you feel you are fighting against the government.  This is my read about you.

So are you now claiming my father, uncle, and father's best friend lied to me?  So they never went to Antarctica?  Why would they lie to me?  Where did they get those pictures from the early 80's?  Where did he disappear to for 7.5 months back when I was 7 years old?  Why did my godfather (my father's best friend) go along with this lie when he and my father went there?  Where did my uncle go for the US Navy in 1989 to 1990 when he said he was stationed in Antarctica?  Where did that video and pictures of him there come from?   
Why would they even have to lie about something like that? 
Are you claiming my family are liars?  What proof do you have for this claim?  You never met them.  My uncle and godfather are dead, but I guess you would like me to press my 70 year old father for the truth the next time I see him, just for you.
Again, this tour guide lying has no bearing on the OP.  I gave you reasons why just someone lying wouldn't work.  Yet you conveniently ignored that part so you could continue your straw man trolling.   

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on May 17, 2015, 03:40:32 PM

Quote from: tappet on May 17, 2015, 03:18:26 PM

Aw gee you hurt my feelings.
So don't claim tourism is proof of anything because obviously some guides according to you lie.
And some according to me are unknowingly bullshitting.

Dude, don't get whiny. You were the one bragging about working for some outfit that required bullshitting and being untruthful and how good you were at it. Yeah, here it is:

Quote from: tappet on May 16, 2015, 03:07:52 PM

I worked as a tour guide for many years in remote areas.
I talked shit, the tourist just loves to swallow shit.
Tourism is about making money, not about being truth full.
If you want to captivate the naïve tourist tell them some bullshit story of how we are destroying your planet.
You can even bring tears to eyes.

Followed by:

Quote from: tappet on May 17, 2015, 01:55:39 AM

No, its carrots and sticks dumbass.
You are told what to say and do it or you don't keep your job.

Is "tell them some bullshit story" and "[it's] about making money, not about being truth full" not lying? Please explain.

"They made me do it or I'd lose my job" doesn't sound naïve and unknowing. It sounds dishonest.

Anyway, we know where you're coming from. You'll say whatever is expedient, regardless of its truthfulness. Most of us already knew that, but it was good of you to be up front about it.

Well there you go, just goes to show you cant trust tour guides.

All that's established is that we can't trust you.

Wanna go to the South Pole with me? I will do you special two for one deal?
I will take you to the exact spot Admiral Byrde landed, honest. No lies this time.

Says the guy bragging about how good he is at bullshitting.

Anyway, beyond that, since you insist that you don't know anything about the South Pole and, for all I know about other skills you'd need for an expedition like this, you may consider a hotel without room service as "roughing it", no thanks

Mikey, I apologize for the interleaved discussion. You can have tappet's undivided attention. Good luck!

Yeah, you are most definitely using straw man tactics.  You are now bringing up and blatantly misstating what I actually said.  Now you are trying to tie it to some family friend of a friend did this statement which is not what I said.  Are you scepti?  He tried this before when I described who all was on the trip to Chile with me when we climbed higher than he said was possible by humans.  I had explained why we did not summit this particular mountain, was because of my father having difficulties with properly using his backup air and we had to decend.  He tried using this same stupid comment on me then.  So you must be an alt of scepti then.
Straw man tactics are taking a small part, misstating it, to discredit the entire argument.  It isn't going to work this time.  You have nothing to add once again.
I guess I will have to start teaching you guys what these fallacy argument types really are.  You seem to really not understand them.

You said the tour guide was lied to so he/she didn't know they were lying to the people on the trip.  Who lied to the tour guide?  Well since it is the position of the flat Earth notion that the government is conspiring to hide this supposed truth from you then the lie had to originate there.  Hence you feel you are fighting against the government.  This is my read about you.

So are you now claiming my father, uncle, and father's best friend lied to me?  So they never went to Antarctica?  Why would they lie to me?  Where did they get those pictures from the early 80's?  Where did he disappear to for 7.5 months back when I was 7 years old?  Why did my godfather (my father's best friend) go along with this lie when he and my father went there?  Where did my uncle go for the US Navy in 1989 to 1990 when he said he was stationed in Antarctica?  Where did that video and pictures of him there come from?   
Why would they even have to lie about something like that? 
Are you claiming my family are liars?  What proof do you have for this claim?  You never met them.  My uncle and godfather are dead, but I guess you would like me to press my 70 year old father for the truth the next time I see him, just for you.
Again, this tour guide lying has no bearing on the OP.  I gave you reasons why just someone lying wouldn't work.  Yet you conveniently ignored that part so you could continue your straw man trolling.

This story is off its nut.

So NASA and co fake the 24 hour daylight that will be visible in the South polar regions and fool the tourists like that?

Quote from: Mikey T Lovzballs on May 17, 2015, 02:44:33 PM

Yep, bury your head in the sand again tappet, just throw out and/or try to discredit anything that doesn't fit in your limited world view. 
Or you could try the strawman trolling again, it doesn't matter, your comments are still not important when you do that.

Whats your problem?
Tourism is bullshit guides do it to make money. No money no tour.
Don't try and make out it proves existence of something.

And so they bring tourists to a fake mock up of a destination that actually exists?  The only reason they would do that is if all tour guides giving tours of the South Pole were in on the conspiracy.  Even having 100 people being in on a conspiracy is too risky for anyone in their right mind to attempt, yet the conspiracy you believe in would require upwards of 100 million people to be in on it.  You probobaly personally know people who would have to be conspirators in order for the Earth to be flat.  It never ceases to amaze me what lengths people would go to and what absurd ideas people come up with to just to stubbornly defend a false belief.

Quote from: tappet on May 17, 2015, 02:50:49 PM

Quote from: Mikey T Lovzballs on May 17, 2015, 02:44:33 PM

Yep, bury your head in the sand again tappet, just throw out and/or try to discredit anything that doesn't fit in your limited world view. 
Or you could try the strawman trolling again, it doesn't matter, your comments are still not important when you do that.

Whats your problem?
Tourism is bullshit guides do it to make money. No money no tour.
Don't try and make out it proves existence of something.

And so they bring tourists to a fake mock up of a destination that actually exists?  The only reason they would do that is if all tour guides giving tours of the South Pole were in on the conspiracy.  Even having 100 people being in on a conspiracy is too risky for anyone in their right mind to attempt, yet the conspiracy you believe in would require upwards of 100 million people to be in on it.  You probobaly personally know people who would have to be conspirators in order for the Earth to be flat.  It never ceases to amaze me what lengths people would go to and what absurd ideas people come up with to just to stubbornly defend a false belief.

Go back and read the second post in this thread by Jroa and have a think about how dumb your post is.
To write the shit you have just written you would have to be paid, nobody in their right mind would hang around this forum to write what you have just written.

I could take anyone out to the middle of a snow desert and tell them that they are at the south pole.  Why would the "tourists" question where they are?

The only large flat snow desert in the southern hemisphere is Antarctica.

It is childishly simple to know which hemisphere we are in simply by seeing that the sun rotates around the sky differently to how we see it up north.

To continue the conversation and be able to waste more time, you will need to use another member name and ask the same stupid questions the membername Jroa was using.

Dont you guys have a manual on how to successfully troll here?

Quote from: jroa on May 16, 2015, 12:33:57 AM

I could take anyone out to the middle of a snow desert and tell them that they are at the south pole.  Why would the "tourists" question where they are?

The only large flat snow desert in the southern hemisphere is Antarctica.

It is childishly simple to know which hemisphere we are in simply by seeing that the sun rotates around the sky differently to how we see it up north.

To continue the conversation and be able to waste more time, you will need to use another member name and ask the same stupid questions the membername Jroa was using.

Dont you guys have a manual on how to successfully troll here?

WTF are you banging on about?

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on May 18, 2015, 01:48:13 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 16, 2015, 12:33:57 AM

I could take anyone out to the middle of a snow desert and tell them that they are at the south pole.  Why would the "tourists" question where they are?

The only large flat snow desert in the southern hemisphere is Antarctica.

It is childishly simple to know which hemisphere we are in simply by seeing that the sun rotates around the sky differently to how we see it up north.

To continue the conversation and be able to waste more time, you will need to use another member name and ask the same stupid questions the membername Jroa was using.

Dont you guys have a manual on how to successfully troll here?

WTF are you banging on about?

What part is too complex for you?

Quote from: tappet on May 18, 2015, 02:09:52 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on May 18, 2015, 01:48:13 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 16, 2015, 12:33:57 AM

I could take anyone out to the middle of a snow desert and tell them that they are at the south pole.  Why would the "tourists" question where they are?

The only large flat snow desert in the southern hemisphere is Antarctica.

It is childishly simple to know which hemisphere we are in simply by seeing that the sun rotates around the sky differently to how we see it up north.

To continue the conversation and be able to waste more time, you will need to use another member name and ask the same stupid questions the membername Jroa was using.

Dont you guys have a manual on how to successfully troll here?

WTF are you banging on about?

What part is too complex for you?

I did not realise we had moved on from trusting a tour guide to take you to the south pole, to now comparing hemispheres.

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on May 18, 2015, 02:17:24 AM

Quote from: tappet on May 18, 2015, 02:09:52 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on May 18, 2015, 01:48:13 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 16, 2015, 12:33:57 AM

I could take anyone out to the middle of a snow desert and tell them that they are at the south pole.  Why would the "tourists" question where they are?

The only large flat snow desert in the southern hemisphere is Antarctica.

It is childishly simple to know which hemisphere we are in simply by seeing that the sun rotates around the sky differently to how we see it up north.

To continue the conversation and be able to waste more time, you will need to use another member name and ask the same stupid questions the membername Jroa was using.

Dont you guys have a manual on how to successfully troll here?

WTF are you banging on about?

What part is too complex for you?

I did not realise we had moved on from trusting a tour guide to take you to the south pole, to now comparing hemispheres.

You directed attention to Jroas stupid response and praised it.

Only a very poorly educated person can be at the north pole and think they are at the south pole.

Only a very poorly educated person can think they are in Antarctica when they are only in Canada, Russia, Alaska Scandinavia Iceland or any of the northern polar regions.

Quote from: tappet on May 18, 2015, 02:32:58 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on May 18, 2015, 02:17:24 AM

Quote from: tappet on May 18, 2015, 02:09:52 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on May 18, 2015, 01:48:13 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 16, 2015, 12:33:57 AM

I could take anyone out to the middle of a snow desert and tell them that they are at the south pole.  Why would the "tourists" question where they are?

The only large flat snow desert in the southern hemisphere is Antarctica.

It is childishly simple to know which hemisphere we are in simply by seeing that the sun rotates around the sky differently to how we see it up north.

To continue the conversation and be able to waste more time, you will need to use another member name and ask the same stupid questions the membername Jroa was using.

Dont you guys have a manual on how to successfully troll here?

WTF are you banging on about?

What part is too complex for you?

I did not realise we had moved on from trusting a tour guide to take you to the south pole, to now comparing hemispheres.

You directed attention to Jroas stupid response and praised it.

Only a very poorly educated person can be at the north pole and think they are at the south pole.

Only a very poorly educated person can think they are in Antarctica when they are only in Canada, Russia, Alaska Scandinavia Iceland or any of the northern polar regions.

Your posts are so far off track here I do not know how to respond.
You may have to wait for somebody else to come along for you have lost me.

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on May 18, 2015, 02:38:17 AM

Quote from: tappet on May 18, 2015, 02:32:58 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on May 18, 2015, 02:17:24 AM

Quote from: tappet on May 18, 2015, 02:09:52 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on May 18, 2015, 01:48:13 AM

Quote from: jroa on May 16, 2015, 12:33:57 AM

I could take anyone out to the middle of a snow desert and tell them that they are at the south pole.  Why would the "tourists" question where they are?

The only large flat snow desert in the southern hemisphere is Antarctica.

It is childishly simple to know which hemisphere we are in simply by seeing that the sun rotates around the sky differently to how we see it up north.

To continue the conversation and be able to waste more time, you will need to use another member name and ask the same stupid questions the membername Jroa was using.

Dont you guys have a manual on how to successfully troll here?

WTF are you banging on about?

What part is too complex for you?

I did not realise we had moved on from trusting a tour guide to take you to the south pole, to now comparing hemispheres.

You directed attention to Jroas stupid response and praised it.

Only a very poorly educated person can be at the north pole and think they are at the south pole.

Only a very poorly educated person can think they are in Antarctica when they are only in Canada, Russia, Alaska Scandinavia Iceland or any of the northern polar regions.

Your posts are so far off track here I do not know how to respond.
You may have to wait for somebody else to come along for you have lost me.

The topic here is tourists at the south pole.

You directed me to a post claiming tourists were too stupid to know they were not in antarctica

And either you are another liar or you are too stupid to realise you did that